*** OFFICIAL *** COVID-19 CoronaVirus Thread. Fresh epidemic fears as child pneumonia cases surge in Europe after China outbreak. NOW in USA (4 Viewers)

[Battersbox]

Two points:

First, the Covid relief monies appropriated by the Government for education I assume were meant to be spent on Covid relief in the schools. So I think that these funds should be spent on what they were intended for. You could argue the Schools didn't need all that money for covid relief if they are not spending it on Covid relief, but that is an argument against the legislation not what the money is spent on.

Second, to the commenters point that we are asking the Teacher's to be hero's without the appropriate equipment/protection/facilities, I think the commenter is correct. If we feel keeping kids in school is a priority, and thus put the teachers at more risk of getting Covid, we should equip them with the tools necessary to minimize their risk, especially when money has been allocated to do just that.

I agree money allocated to schools to address Covid risks should be spent that way.

But I would also argue that teachers already have the tools they need to protect themselves, and that tool is vaccination.

 

[jobarules]

The deep dive into the hospitalization data and the interview with the head of the NY Presbyterian hospital system was helpful. Not sure if you saw the governor's press conference, but she's got a better grasp on the numbers than she appeared to just a few weeks ago. It was a good update.

Next they should start breaking these numbers out: Admitted for COVID, in the ICU because of COVID, intubated because of COVID.

The other item the head of the hospital system mentioned was vaccine status. He said very few, if any, patients were boosted. Most people were unvaxxed, some twice vaxxed, but hardly any patients in the hospital system were boosted.

Hospital data from Miami-Dade shows the same finding, very few admissions among boosted population compared to non-boosted: Hospitalizations by vaccine status: Unvaccinated vs. Vaccinated vs. Vaccinated with Booster (see slide 25)

It's also important to know these #s to measure the true severity of Omicron.

That being said in the flip side this also means 50% of the covid hospitalizations in NYC would have been hospitalizations even if covid didn't exist.

I think that's a very important point with what we discussed earlier.

 

[Grace Under Pressure]

It's also important to know these #s to measure the true severity of Omicron.

That being said in the flip side this also means 50% of the covid hospitalizations in NYC would have been hospitalizations even if covid didn't exist.

I think that's a very important point with what we discussed earlier.

Yup, it's a big deal, absolutely. If we're talking about Covid's impact on sending people to the hospital, then I want to know the number of people going to the hospital because of Covid. I'm glad that she took a step back and said "wait a minute". 

 

[jobarules]

Yup, it's a big deal, absolutely. If we're talking about Covid's impact on sending people to the hospital, then I want to know the number of people going to the hospital because of Covid. I'm glad that she took a step back and said "wait a minute". 

Why did it take 2 years for any governor to FINALLY ask this question? 

 

[jobarules]

Finally, does the above give some credence to the "hospitals make money due to covid deaths" conspiracy theory? 50% of hospitalization is a pretty big #. 

 

[Doug B]

That being said in the flip side this also means 50% of the covid hospitalizations in NYC would have been hospitalizations even if covid didn't exist.

I think that's a very important point with what we discussed earlier.

This doesn't really change the medical-resource-consumption game, though. When they find that, say, a trauma patient is COVID positive ... it still complicates that patient's care and the precautions his caregivers have to take. Such patients, also, have to be segregated from non-COVID patients so that's one less bed in the COVID ward.

 

[jobarules]

This doesn't really change the medical-resource-consumption game, though. When they find that, say, a trauma patient is COVID positive ... it still complicates that patient's care and the precautions his caregivers have to take. Such patients, also, have to be segregated from non-COVID patients so that's one less bed in the COVID ward.

Agreed. I never said it did

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

This first-hand account from an NYC high school student is bonkers. I certainly don't think we need to go back to March 2020-style shutdowns, but if a school is facing an environment as surreal as this one, I think a week or two of remote learning is probably the best option

 

[Courtjester]

Im almost starting to think almost everyone would test positive at this moment

Secretly I was hoping our daughter would have tested positive with me last week. I can already see what is going to happen--she is going back into school and will end up with a cold or something. We will have to pull her out of school and get her tested again and if she comes out negative, send her back to school. Rinse and repeat until one time it will ultimately be Covid. She is vaxed and we have her booster scheduled. 

I am on day 13 of the Covid adventure. I went back to work yesterday for a couple of hours because 99% of my symptoms are gone and I wasn't going to be around anyone, but that walk from the parking garage into my office seemed like 10 miles. The overall level of exhaustion that I am still feeling is terrible. I hope this goes away soon. 

 

[jobarules]

This first-hand account from an NYC high school student is bonkers. I certainly don't think we need to go back to March 2020-style shutdowns, but if a school is facing an environment as surreal as this one, I think a week or two of remote learning is probably the best option

My son said only one of his teachers is out (hes in JHS) and about 7 of his classmates. Yesterday, we had winter workouts between 2 baseball teams and only 2 kids from his team showed up. Its crazy right now how many people are sick or close contacts. But we're trudging along as best we can. I think this is only a short term thing. With so many sick, I doubt this lasts past January. 

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

My son said only one of his teachers is out (hes in JHS) and about 7 of his classmates. Yesterday, we had winter workouts between 2 baseball teams and only 2 kids from his team showed up. Its crazy right now how many people are sick or close contacts. But we're trudging along as best we can. I think this is only a short term thing. With so many sick, I doubt this lasts past January. 

I agree. That's the other reason I'd be OK with temporary shutdowns. I think someone (Ivan?) expressed upthread a worry that this will be a repeat of "Two weeks to stop the spread" that ended up going much longer, but I don't think so. I never really took that literally even as it was being announced, and by now we know a lot more than we did back then about mitigation.

But for right now (and on a school-by-school, district-by-district basis), if community spread is too high and no one's learning anything in school anyway, it doesn't make sense for kids to keep coming in. 

By the way, here in Miami my middle schooler reports that things have been pretty normal. A couple of his teachers had it over the break, but there doesn't seem to be a problem with mass absences or anything. In any event, the chances of any Florida schools going back to remote would seem to be pretty, um, remote.

 

[ghostguy123]

This first-hand account from an NYC high school student is bonkers. I certainly don't think we need to go back to March 2020-style shutdowns, but if a school is facing an environment as surreal as this one, I think a week or two of remote learning is probably the best option

Jesus

 

[Random]

We spent the week after Christmas in New Orleans.  I woke with a headache, sore throat, and cough a few days after returning.  Tested positive.  Wife and kids tested negative.  I never developed any other symptoms, and the headache and cough only lasted a day or two. 

eta - all vaxed/boosted.

 

[Doug B]

We spent the week after Christmas in New Orleans.  I woke with a headache, sore throat, and cough a few days after returning.  Tested positive.  Wife and kids tested negative.  I never developed any other symptoms, and the headache and cough only lasted a day or two. 

eta - all vaxed/boosted.

Yep, it's going around here like wildfire. We ate out twice the week after Christmas. One was outdoors as planned, but the other one was supposed to be outdoors except the place closed down last minute for lack of staff. Scrambled to find a place to go, ended up eating out indoors

Of the crew that was at the outdoor dinner, my BIL (sat next to me and across from my wife) has tested positive so far. Four more of us have tested and are waiting on results. I have no doubt my entire household is going through a COVID bout -- my wife lost taste/smell today, so probably Delta (?). My symptoms have ranged between mild and annoying, but nowhere near bad enough to consider the ER. Kids' symptoms are mild, but noticeable.

In  our household, the three of us over 18 are double vaxxed + boosted in early December. My 15-year-old son was double vaxxed in June, was set to get his booster ASAP this month. Try again in February.

 

[jobarules]

Yep, it's going around here like wildfire. We ate out twice the week after Christmas. One was outdoors as planned, but the other one was supposed to be outdoors except the place closed down last minute for lack of staff. Scrambled to find a place to go, ended up eating out indoors

Of the crew that was at the outdoor dinner, my BIL (sat next to me and across from my wife) has tested positive so far. Four more of us have tested and are waiting on results. I have no doubt my entire household is going through a COVID bout -- my wife lost taste/smell today, so probably Delta (?). My symptoms have ranged between mild and annoying, but nowhere near bad enough to consider the ER. Kids' symptoms are mild, but noticeable.

In  our household, the three of us over 18 are double vaxxed + boosted in early December. My 15-year-old son was double vaxxed in June, was set to get his booster ASAP this month. Try again in February.

FYI two people I know reported losing their taste/smell with their covid case this past week and Im in NYC where Im guessing Omicron is close to 100% of all cases.

 

[Doug B]

FYI two people I know reported losing their taste/smell with their covid case this past week and Im in NYC where Im guessing Omicron is close to 100% of all cases.

Hopefully, that symptom will be short-lived for her. COVID is so random.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

I agree. That's the other reason I'd be OK with temporary shutdowns. I think someone (Ivan?) expressed upthread a worry that this will be a repeat of "Two weeks to stop the spread" that ended up going much longer, but I don't think so.

That was me, yes.  For the record, my irritation is really directed at teachers unions who are demanding shutdowns just because -- I'm specifically thinking about the Chicago Teachers Union.  I don't have a problem with short-run shutdowns caused by staff shortages.  Those have clear and obvious off-ramps, namely when people come back to work.

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

That was me, yes.  For the record, my irritation is really directed at teachers unions who are demanding shutdowns just because -- I'm specifically thinking about the Chicago Teachers Union.  I don't have a problem with short-run shutdowns caused by staff shortages.  Those have clear and obvious off-ramps, namely when people come back to work.

I haven't been following the Chicago situation too closely, but I agree that the unions sometimes seem to make demands past the point of rationality (I'm thinking of the folks last year who were saying things like, remote learning isn't all that bad because what is learning, really?)

In any event, I feel pretty confident this is a short-term thing and we'll be past the worst of it in the next few weeks. If that doesn't happen, we'll have much bigger problems.

 

[gianmarco]

Masks don't help much in schools.

 

[Keerock]

Masks don't help much in schools.

Actually, that study was inconclusive.  Study failed to prove they worked, but also failed to prove they didn't.

 

[gianmarco]

Actually, that study was inconclusive.  Study failed to prove they worked, but also failed to prove they didn't.

Yep.

Right now, during this wave, if kids are going to be in school, everyone should mask up (same as everywhere). When things trend down again, then it needs to be revisited absent good evidence it's working, especially with vaccinations available for ages 5+.

 

[lod001]

Snot nosed bubble blowers clogging up NYC ERs.   This is what it is like when you brainwash the population.

New York City residents are clogging up vital local emergency rooms to simply get a COVID test, Gov. Kathy Hochul warned Friday.

“Too many New Yorkers are going to emergency rooms to get a test just to get a test,” Hochul said during a press conference in Manhattan. “Please do not go to an emergency room and tie up the resource of those [workers] so you can get a test.”

 

[gianmarco]

Getting crushed here

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Actually, that study was inconclusive.  Study failed to prove they worked, but also failed to prove they didn't.

I don't think it's possible to prove that masks don't work in this kind of setting.  "Masks don't do anything" is the null hypothesis, and hypothesis testing only lets you reject the null hypothesis.  There is such thing as an "accept the null" result.  If masks did nothing (hypothetically), you'd see a bunch of studies exactly like this one where the difference in means of whatever metrics you're using is too small to eliminate the possibility that it was just chance.  If this were the only study on masking ever done, it would be fair to characterize it as affirmative evidence that masks probably don't make a big difference in absenteeism.  

But obviously this isn't the only study ever done on this topic.  My sense is we're still basically in "wait for more evidence" territory.  

Also, the usual disclaimer about how omicron changes everything applies here too.  It might be that masks are helpful (or useless) against delta but useless (or helpful) against omicron.  Also the quality of mask used, and so on.  This is the sort of topic where any one particular study should probably barely budge your priors.

 

[moleculo]

How would you guys handle this?

My youngest daughter suddenly came down with an almost non-stop cough and wheeze.  She almost never had lung issues.  No tests available.

Tomorrow is her sister'sbirthday party - several friends invited over for sleep over.  Also, I am supposed to coach a wrestling tournament tomorrow - if I don't go, the team will be quite short-staffed.

If she has COVID, obviously all that doesn't happen tomorrow.  But, because of no tests, we have no idea.

Not sure how to handle this responsibly.

 

[gianmarco]

How would you guys handle this?

My youngest daughter suddenly came down with an almost non-stop cough and wheeze.  She almost never had lung issues.  No tests available.

Tomorrow is her sister'sbirthday party - several friends invited over for sleep over.  Also, I am supposed to coach a wrestling tournament tomorrow - if I don't go, the team will be quite short-staffed.

If she has COVID, obviously all that doesn't happen tomorrow.  But, because of no tests, we have no idea.

Not sure how to handle this responsibly.

She has to isolate, test or not. Assume she's positive. 

If you are vaccinated, you can coach but need to wear a good mask. Daughter can have the party if she's vaccinated and also masks. If not, then unfortunately she should quarantine.

 

[The Z Machine]

Two pfizer shots, AND the booster... AND a flu shot...

Started coughing on Sunday so I took a home rapid test.... +positive

Felt a little under the weather Monday and Tuesday.. better Wednesday and back to normal yesterday...

Unfortunately, you should still stay away from folks for 7 days after symptoms start, and then wear a good mask for 3 more.

I'm on day 10 today, so tomorrow I'll be mask free around my family.

 

[moleculo]

She has to isolate, test or not. Assume she's positive. 

If you are vaccinated, you can coach but need to wear a good mask. Daughter can have the party if she's vaccinated and also masks. If not, then unfortunately she should quarantine.

We are all vaxxed and my wife & I are boosted too.

 

[jobarules]

How would you guys handle this?

My youngest daughter suddenly came down with an almost non-stop cough and wheeze.  She almost never had lung issues.  No tests available.

Tomorrow is her sister'sbirthday party - several friends invited over for sleep over.  Also, I am supposed to coach a wrestling tournament tomorrow - if I don't go, the team will be quite short-staffed.

If she has COVID, obviously all that doesn't happen tomorrow.  But, because of no tests, we have no idea.

Not sure how to handle this responsibly.

Unless she magically wakes up with no symptoms you have to cancel the party. Id say you can still goto wrestling tournament, mask up.

 

[gianmarco]

We are all vaxxed and my wife & I are boosted too.

Perfect. Then just have the youngest isolate and everything else can go as planned with masks. 

Testing at this point is just to help get the youngest out of isolation.

 

[SpurrierisisGod]

Got a 5 year old at home with a fever and stuffy nose.  If I use one of my 2 at home kits and it comes back positive, does the whole household have to sit at home for 10 days? I haven't been keeping up with the constantly changing protocols.

Eta: just saw the posts above mine.  Ugh.

Everyone vaxxed except my 17yo.  I coach the high school boys soccer team but I am vaxxed (no booster).  Guess I should coach with a mask...

 

[ghostguy123]

Getting crushed here

It's been two damn years since Covid started.  It's been at least a year and a half since we have known that Covid is gonna be a huge issue for many years to come.

It's a pandemic.  It's a public health issue.  Its been known for almost 2 years that hospitals are going to get hit hard with an influx of patients and also staff getting sick.

All this being known, what has been done to help hospitals??  We got some masks and other random PPE.  Yippee.  

I dont personally have all the answers as far as what should have been done, however, something that alleviates the pressure put on ERs would have been a great start.  Every ER should have a separate testing area, preferably outside.   I have heard some places having people stay in their cars until their turn to be seen.  Ok, that's one idea of 100 that are needed.  

Very frustrating it's been this long and things just keep getting worse and worse while nothing is done to help.  I coulda sworn there were some brilliant people in this country.  Nobody has come up with a feasible solution??  If anyone says "everyone should be vaccinated" I am gonna jump through my phone and pop you in the nose.  Yes, everyone should be vaccinated.  Unfortunately that isnt reality.   So, rather than living in fantasy world, I rather tackle the problem at hand.

Color me pissed.

Cant wait to go to work tomorrow.  I get to wear an N95 all day now that half my unit will be housing Covid patients.

 

[SpurrierisisGod]

Dang it.  5 year old positive.  100% his twin will be next.  Then my wife.  She also let the sick one climb in our bed while I was asleep last night.  Crap.

 

[SpurrierisisGod]

Sheesh.  Just read the cdc website.

Me - 45, slightly overweight, high BP.  Certainly a higher risk category.  2 dose pfizer. No booster. 2nd dose was 9 months ago.

Wife - 44, slightly overweight.  No other risk factors.  2 pfizer shots maybe a month before me. No booster

Daughter - 15. 2 shots.  2nd was about 3-4 months ago.

Son - 17.  Best shape out of all of us.  Unvaxxed.

Nephew/son - 5. Twin.  Sleeps in room with his brother.  Unvaxxed. 

I have no idea what to do.

My oldest kids haven't really been around the covid + much recently.  My wife stayed home with the 5 yo twins today.  All 3 would be definitely exposed.  I might be borderline exposed since they are usually in bed by the time I get home from practice and I leave for work before they get up most days.  I really like the old guy next to me at work and don't want to be the one to give it to him.  I am also hourly, contract, no sick/vacation time and times are already tough.  No work from home option for me.  This sucks.

 

[Nathan R. Jessep]

Sheesh.  Just read the cdc website.

Me - 45, slightly overweight, high BP.  Certainly a higher risk category.  2 dose pfizer. No booster. 2nd dose was 9 months ago.

Wife - 44, slightly overweight.  No other risk factors.  2 pfizer shots maybe a month before me. No booster

Daughter - 15. 2 shots.  2nd was about 3-4 months ago.

Son - 17.  Best shape out of all of us.  Unvaxxed.

Nephew/son - 5. Twin.  Sleeps in room with his brother.  Unvaxxed. 

I have no idea what to do.

My oldest kids haven't really been around the covid + much recently.  My wife stayed home with the 5 yo twins today.  All 3 would be definitely exposed.  I might be borderline exposed since they are usually in bed by the time I get home from practice and I leave for work before they get up most days.  I really like the old guy next to me at work and don't want to be the one to give it to him.  I am also hourly, contract, no sick/vacation time and times are already tough.  No work from home option for me.  This sucks.

Damn. That's tough. Maybe see if boss can move you temporarily to an isolated space? 

 

[jobarules]

Sheesh.  Just read the cdc website.

Me - 45, slightly overweight, high BP.  Certainly a higher risk category.  2 dose pfizer. No booster. 2nd dose was 9 months ago.

Wife - 44, slightly overweight.  No other risk factors.  2 pfizer shots maybe a month before me. No booster

Daughter - 15. 2 shots.  2nd was about 3-4 months ago.

Son - 17.  Best shape out of all of us.  Unvaxxed.

Nephew/son - 5. Twin.  Sleeps in room with his brother.  Unvaxxed. 

I have no idea what to do.

My oldest kids haven't really been around the covid + much recently.  My wife stayed home with the 5 yo twins today.  All 3 would be definitely exposed.  I might be borderline exposed since they are usually in bed by the time I get home from practice and I leave for work before they get up most days.  I really like the old guy next to me at work and don't want to be the one to give it to him.  I am also hourly, contract, no sick/vacation time and times are already tough.  No work from home option for me.  This sucks.

What do you do?

 

[SpurrierisisGod]

Damn. That's tough. Maybe see if boss can move you temporarily to an isolated space? 

There isn't one.  Big open floor/short cubicle set up....no way to avoid folks.

 

[SpurrierisisGod]

What do you do?

Initial response?  Stay home so I'm not burdened with the guilt of infecting the guy next to me that's 6 months from retirement. 

Rational response? Constantly wear a mask and hope they can figure out a work at home option. Or like mentioned above, maaaaybe there's an isolated office or something.  If I don't work there's at least 1 large bill not getting paid this month.

 

[jobarules]

Initial response?  Stay home so I'm not burdened with the guilt of infecting the guy next to me that's 6 months from retirement. 

Rational response? Constantly wear a mask and hope they can figure out a work at home option. Or like mentioned above, maaaaybe there's an isolated office or something.  If I don't work there's at least 1 large bill not getting paid this month.

Lol I meant for a living 

 

[SpurrierisisGod]

Lol I meant for a living 

Lol.  Structural design - Autocad type stuff.  Mainly ship building.  Company has shifted to a more government focus so very tightly controlled regarding access.  The government does not like off site remote access.

ETA - great pay but very cyclical.  Out of the last 24 months I've probably worked 18.  Maybe.  Furloughs, layoffs etc

 

[moleculo]

Unless she magically wakes up with no symptoms you have to cancel the party. Id say you can still goto wrestling tournament, mask up.

I think party can happen.  Coughing daughter can stay in her bedroom on 2nd floor, older kids can go in the basement.

 

[moleculo]

Unless she magically wakes up with no symptoms you have to cancel the party. Id say you can still goto wrestling tournament, mask up.

I think party can happen.  Coughing daughter can stay in her bedroom on 2nd floor, older kids can go in the basement. All other kids parents have been made aware.

 

[PinkydaPimp]

How would you guys handle this?

My youngest daughter suddenly came down with an almost non-stop cough and wheeze.  She almost never had lung issues.  No tests available.

Tomorrow is her sister'sbirthday party - several friends invited over for sleep over.  Also, I am supposed to coach a wrestling tournament tomorrow - if I don't go, the team will be quite short-staffed.

If she has COVID, obviously all that doesn't happen tomorrow.  But, because of no tests, we have no idea.

Not sure how to handle this responsibly.

I think you have to let the friends and their parents know as well if you do have the party.

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

We spent the week after Christmas in New Orleans.  I woke with a headache, sore throat, and cough a few days after returning.  Tested positive.  Wife and kids tested negative.  I never developed any other symptoms, and the headache and cough only lasted a day or two. 

eta - all vaxed/boosted.

So you’re saying you all traveled to New Orleans and returned with a communicable disease? Dude, join the club

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

How would you guys handle this?

My youngest daughter suddenly came down with an almost non-stop cough and wheeze.  She almost never had lung issues.  No tests available.

Tomorrow is her sister'sbirthday party - several friends invited over for sleep over.  Also, I am supposed to coach a wrestling tournament tomorrow - if I don't go, the team will be quite short-staffed.

If she has COVID, obviously all that doesn't happen tomorrow.  But, because of no tests, we have no idea.

Not sure how to handle this responsibly.

OK first of all, forget about the testing. If she’s symptomatic, proceed with the assumption that she’s positive. 

As for what to do, IMO there’s no obvious answer. If it were me, I’d probably cancel the party and skip the coaching. But I don’t think it makes you a bad person if you don’t. I do think you’re ethically obligated to inform the friends and let them make their own decisions. But if everyone still wants to proceed with the party, that’s defensible. Similarly, I think you could coach if you wore a high quality mask and kept it surgically attached to it face the whole time

 

[gianmarco]

OK first of all, forget about the testing. If she’s symptomatic, proceed with the assumption that she’s positive. 

As for what to do, IMO there’s no obvious answer. If it were me, I’d probably cancel the party and skip the coaching. But I don’t think it makes you a bad person if you don’t. I do think you’re ethically obligated to inform the friends and let them make their own decisions. But if everyone still wants to proceed with the party, that’s defensible. Similarly, I think you could coach if you wore a high quality mask and kept it surgically attached to it face the whole time

CDC guidelines for them being vaccinated means they are fine to both coach as well as have the party as long as the youngest can isolate and the others wear masks during their activities. 

 

[culdeus]

Sheesh.  Just read the cdc website.

Me - 45, slightly overweight, high BP.  Certainly a higher risk category.  2 dose pfizer. No booster. 2nd dose was 9 months ago.

Wife - 44, slightly overweight.  No other risk factors.  2 pfizer shots maybe a month before me. No booster

Daughter - 15. 2 shots.  2nd was about 3-4 months ago.

Son - 17.  Best shape out of all of us.  Unvaxxed.

Nephew/son - 5. Twin.  Sleeps in room with his brother.  Unvaxxed. 

I have no idea what to do.

My oldest kids haven't really been around the covid + much recently.  My wife stayed home with the 5 yo twins today.  All 3 would be definitely exposed.  I might be borderline exposed since they are usually in bed by the time I get home from practice and I leave for work before they get up most days.  I really like the old guy next to me at work and don't want to be the one to give it to him.  I am also hourly, contract, no sick/vacation time and times are already tough.  No work from home option for me.  This sucks.

You go to work again Monday?  Get a decent mask and wear it.  If you get symptomatic then stay home.  You haven't even tested + yet. That's more or less the guideline now anyways for non medical workers.

Guarantee like half your office will have some level of exposure by Monday.  I know dozens and dozens of + now.  Would say just this week know more + people that are + right now that the entire pandemic.  

 

[jobarules]

Lol.  Structural design - Autocad type stuff.  Mainly ship building.  Company has shifted to a more government focus so very tightly controlled regarding access.  The government does not like off site remote access.

ETA - great pay but very cyclical.  Out of the last 24 months I've probably worked 18.  Maybe.  Furloughs, layoffs etc

Aren't there paid leaves available for this exact situation?

 

[Pip's Invitation]

So you’re saying you all traveled to New Orleans and returned with a communicable disease? Dude, join the club

Would it have been appropriate for me to give this the laughing reaction back when that existed? 

 

[jobarules]

You go to work again Monday?  Get a decent mask and wear it.  If you get symptomatic then stay home.  You haven't even tested + yet. That's more or less the guideline now anyways for non medical workers.

Guarantee like half your office will have some level of exposure by Monday.  I know dozens and dozens of + now.  Would say just this week know more + people that are + right now that the entire pandemic.  

I'm so confused about all the guidelines but I still thought close contact makes him quarantine for 5 days.