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*** OFFICIAL *** COVID-19 CoronaVirus Thread. Fresh epidemic fears as child pneumonia cases surge in Europe after China outbreak. NOW in USA (5 Viewers)
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matuski
Footballguy
Please explain the self evident explanation.. noone has been able to do so yet.
I am also 100% in the dark about "talking points".. i will not watch tv or bother with news sites right now. All just different angles of scare tactics.
Positive test, negative test - THE SAME THING happens right?
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Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Yeah... when all is said and done I think the "death rates" are going to turn out to be a proxy for "testing rates".
matuski
Footballguy
You don't know where the disease is.. or rather yes we do. Everywhere.
How fast it gets everywhere is the only question.
Limiting mass gatherings makes sense for slowing it down. Trying to test each individual that gets sick is a comical waste of time.
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Chaos Commish
Footballguy
The two gallons I bought (and linked to) from Bulk Apothecary has shipped, will arrive on the 16th. Still in stock.
Redwes25
Footballguy
Guess you didn’t pay any attention to what they did in China and Wuhan to contain the virus.
matuski
Footballguy
Did they contain it?
I could have sworn I just heard we have declared a national emergency here in the USA. Isn't Italy on lockdown?
Contained indeed.
eta - you aren't going to contain it, the virus is WAY ahead of us on that.
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Chaos Commish
Footballguy
put it in a sealed mason jar and pour a little at a time? If it's 91%, it's a good idea to add some water maybe liquid hand soap to make it more effective.
Saw on twitter:
”Went to the Costco in Green Bay, and they had plenty of toilet paper and disinfectant. But, the beer and wine was completely sold out.”
Wildcat
Footballguy
matuski
Footballguy
Courtjester
The Town Drunk
Success!!, I got my Fruit Loops. I stopped at the liquor store and got a couple cases of beer. There is a Kum and Go next door so I got a half dozen of the little bowl ones. My life is complete and I plan to not leave the bunker all weekend.
On a sad note that first Colorado death is in my county. Man, I hope all this hording going on results in people staying home and avoiding contact with one another
Dan Lambskin
Footballguy
danlambskin,
You’ve likely heard by now that, due to heightened concerns around coronavirus (COVID-19), most sports leagues have been suspended. I wanted to reach out to share with you everything we know about how the current situation will impact FanDuel users for the foreseeable future.
First and foremost, our thoughts are with those immediately impacted by this outbreak. FanDuel believes that sports offer fans an important outlet in both good times and bad, and to that end we look forward to everyone’s favorite leagues returning whenever it is safe for them to do so. In the meantime, however, we remain as committed as ever to giving our fans more ways to win. More on that below, but first I want to address how these recent developments will be impacting FanDuel’s core offerings.
FanDuel Fantasy
Our FanDuel Fantasy app will remain live and you’ll have full access to your FanDuel account. Moving forward, our policy is that, if the sport is being played (and if it’s usually available on FanDuel), then we’ll offer a fantasy contest. In circumstances where a future contest cannot run due to a league-wide suspension of games, we will always return your entry fee. Additionally, we’re currently working to develop new free-to-play games which we hope will be a fun diversion during this uncertain time. We’ll share more on those as soon as we can.
FanDuel Sportsbook
Our policy towards sports betting will match our approach to fantasy contests as closely as possible. If FanDuel Sportsbook is currently available in your state, then our app and your account will be 100% accessible during this period. Any bets you’ve already placed on games that have been postponed or cancelled will be voided and refunded. For longer term future bets where the situation is not currently known, we will continue to make decisions on a rolling basis as those markets are impacted. We will follow up on these as more information becomes available.
What's Available?
As I said above, we take seriously our mission to give fans more ways to win. While most sports are currently suspended, our sister app, TVG, is currently available in your state and will continue to offer betting on horse racing as long as races are still being run. Find the TVG app in the iOS app store or click here to get access on Android.
Our main priority during this period is to do what is right by our fans at every opportunity. While there may be a bit of uncertainty as we allow various situations to develop, we’re committed to keeping you informed of any developments as quickly as possible. Our customer support team remains available through all of our usual channels. If you have any questions, please don’t hesitate to contact them here.
Best wishes,
Matt King
CEO, FanDuel
You’ve likely heard by now that, due to heightened concerns around coronavirus (COVID-19), most sports leagues have been suspended. I wanted to reach out to share with you everything we know about how the current situation will impact FanDuel users for the foreseeable future.
First and foremost, our thoughts are with those immediately impacted by this outbreak. FanDuel believes that sports offer fans an important outlet in both good times and bad, and to that end we look forward to everyone’s favorite leagues returning whenever it is safe for them to do so. In the meantime, however, we remain as committed as ever to giving our fans more ways to win. More on that below, but first I want to address how these recent developments will be impacting FanDuel’s core offerings.
FanDuel Fantasy
Our FanDuel Fantasy app will remain live and you’ll have full access to your FanDuel account. Moving forward, our policy is that, if the sport is being played (and if it’s usually available on FanDuel), then we’ll offer a fantasy contest. In circumstances where a future contest cannot run due to a league-wide suspension of games, we will always return your entry fee. Additionally, we’re currently working to develop new free-to-play games which we hope will be a fun diversion during this uncertain time. We’ll share more on those as soon as we can.
FanDuel Sportsbook
Our policy towards sports betting will match our approach to fantasy contests as closely as possible. If FanDuel Sportsbook is currently available in your state, then our app and your account will be 100% accessible during this period. Any bets you’ve already placed on games that have been postponed or cancelled will be voided and refunded. For longer term future bets where the situation is not currently known, we will continue to make decisions on a rolling basis as those markets are impacted. We will follow up on these as more information becomes available.
What's Available?
As I said above, we take seriously our mission to give fans more ways to win. While most sports are currently suspended, our sister app, TVG, is currently available in your state and will continue to offer betting on horse racing as long as races are still being run. Find the TVG app in the iOS app store or click here to get access on Android.
Our main priority during this period is to do what is right by our fans at every opportunity. While there may be a bit of uncertainty as we allow various situations to develop, we’re committed to keeping you informed of any developments as quickly as possible. Our customer support team remains available through all of our usual channels. If you have any questions, please don’t hesitate to contact them here.
Best wishes,
Matt King
CEO, FanDuel
Waingro
Footballguy
They certainly are to blame for the global outbreak.
But a couple of days ago, they had something like only 25 new cases. That's REALLY good news compared to hundreds or even thousands of new cases overnight. How'd they do it? Testing everyone, proactively not reactively. Seeking the infected rather than waiting for the sick to come to them. Then isolating the sick, not home isolation like we are suggesting where they end infecting their family.
Will it work? I friggin hope so.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
shader
Footballguy
Actually no. In China when someone tested positive, they were quarantined away from their family.
saintfool
Dead sexy
I'm waiting for medical insights from Billy Joe Tolliver and his esteemed colleague, Billy Joe Hobert.
matuski
Footballguy
In 10-12 days we see rolling peaks across the regions of our country. After this, "new cases" will go down. Good news... or just how it works.
You are promoting proactive action as though testing is proactive.. testing is reactive. Proactive = wash your hands, avoid large gatherings, etc.
Sounds like using the proactive logic puts us on the same page.. waste of time.
Doug B
Footballguy
Already developed in South Korea. Several US states have already been doing drive-they testing in limited numbers. The states just needed the stateside manufacture of working tests ramped way up.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
My ex BiL, his sister and two brothers, all of their children (in Naples) have not responded to his (bil's) daughters on the phone or social media in over a week. My niece losing her mind over this.
In other news, approx 1.3 million Romanian workers in Italy go home for Easter every year. It is a nightmare at the crossing. The few getting out of Italy and into Ro are being quarantined. Most being denied, of course. The interim PM of Ro and his cabinete are in quarantine. This country may be worse prepared than us.
matuski
Footballguy
People keep using China like it is an example of success.. like the virus hasn't run a lap around the globe since.
bostonfred
Footballguy
1) Testing would have been very useful for stopping the spread early on. Isolating the people who test positive is the only way to get containment, and you're right - that ship has sailed.
2) Testing is still useful for avoiding full community spread. This stuff isn't everywhere yet. There's cases in a lot of places, and it's a good idea for you to act as though everyone has it because you don't know. But it's useful for hospitals, businesses, schools, etc. to know if they have been exposed to it because they can take additional measures to sanitize or close off areas that are likely to be contaminated and send people home who might be sick. There aren't unlimited resources for deep cleaning, and a lot of people are still relying on grocery stores, restaurants, etc
3) it's helpful for statistical analysis because it gives us an idea about trends. If the number of cases in an area appears to be going down (even if the numbers aren't exact, we can do statistically significant sampling) then we can make decisions based on that trend.
4) testing is absolutely necessary for treatment and measuring results. For people who have genetic flu like symptoms, you're right - stay home, avoid contact with people, follow doctor's orders. But doctor's orders will change as they see what works for this virus and that may change over time. If we treat everyone as though they had the flu then we'd have bad data.
5) testing is especially important for the individual who gets tested. Not just to get the right treatment plan, but also knowing whether you've had it before. Early anecdotal evidence assists that reinfection was rare but much more dangerous. That may not be true. Early on they suggested that there's a second strain of this that's active right now. They may not be identical. So having it might mean you'll be immune to it. Or it might mean you're at greater risk if you get reinfected. It's clearly better to know that for as many cases as possible even if it's not actionable.
6) there are currently vaccines and treatments under development. Vaccines can only be developed of there's s reliable test to see if they work. Treatments can only be developed if there's a baseline of test results for people who did and did not receive the treatment.
moleculo
Footballguy
krista4
Footballguy
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
Waingro
Footballguy
Thanks K4, scary times but still a beautiful day.I regret that I have but oneto give for this post.
matuski
Footballguy
1) Correct, as a proactive measure - would have been nice.
2) No... it is everywhere, or almost everywhere to the point you aren't stopping it by learning about each and every Karen or John that has it now. Too late, we are behind.
3) Test the patients that get through the algorithm for testing... get your statistics.
4)Treatment as of now is the same. When a specific treatment for CV arises, then that would change the logic.
5) No, it isn't. Testing is only important to the individual once other common options are ruled out. Even then, not really - the treatment plan (broken record) is the same. Flu symtoms? Go home rest, etc. Worse? Hospital.
6) They have thousands of people now to work on for vaccines. Vaccines would be proactive. I am all for people taking vaccines in a prophylactic manner. Testing for a disease with no distinct treatment in a prophylactic manner is silly.
eta - @bostonfred thank you for actually answering me though, was well thought out unlike most.
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BroncoFreak_2K3
sucker for Orange
matuski
Footballguy
I am the one being pointed to other countries.
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mcintyre1
Footballguy
Saw this posted in the PSF thread, but not here -- Seems like Trump and that lady oversold the online triage system a little bit:
The way they were talking about it (with the flowchart or whatever) made it seem like this was something that would be available immediately. The Google communication is much more reserved, and doesn't even guarantee that it will expand outside of the Bay Area.
proteus126
Footballguy
Simple question: If a person needs 2 weeks in the ICU, who will end up paying for it?
Will it come from a Federal emergency funding pot, a State emergency funding pot, or from the insurance Co (and will max OOP applys or not)? And if the person has no insurance, how is this going to work? I know today's answer will not necessarily be the final one - how do you think the country will end up dealing with this issue? And if I missed the answer, apologies.
Will it come from a Federal emergency funding pot, a State emergency funding pot, or from the insurance Co (and will max OOP applys or not)? And if the person has no insurance, how is this going to work? I know today's answer will not necessarily be the final one - how do you think the country will end up dealing with this issue? And if I missed the answer, apologies.
Terminalxylem
Footballguy
Fever is the big tell to help exclude non-infectious stuff, like allergies. Not all infections will show fever at the same time, nor will everyone mount the same febrile response, but ~85-90% of symptomatic C-19 have it, and roughly the same for flu.
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Insoxicated
I find it hard to believe that any reasonably intelligent human can view reports/stories from other nations as "scare tactics"
mcintyre1
Footballguy
This Verge article has more details of the Google site that Trump announced at the press conference and (as expected) there's some clarifications coming.
It seems likely that Verily (the Alphabet subsidiary developing the triage website) had no idea Trump was going to announce this thing in front of the nation. This was a centerpiece of his press conference today, and one of the first things he touted.
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Insoxicated
I think the reason for Alabama still being clear has to be a lack of people who can read the test.
cosjobs
Footballguy
-fish-
Footballguy
Wow. Congratulations on making a post that is xenophobic, hate-driven and completely wrong all at the same time.
JaxBill
Footballguy
testing is up and improved from abysmal to really needs a lot of work
TP runs
Schools closed in a bunch of different places
people stocking up
All sports canceled until the 33rd of May.
Trump declared National Emergency for $$$ and National Guard/FEMA
#### keeps getting more real every day
Pray for Italy and now it sounds like Spain
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matuski
Footballguy
I find it hard to believe any reasonably intelligent human can view reports from our media on this topic s anything other than scare tactics.I find it hard to believe that any reasonably intelligent human can view reports/stories from other nations as "scare tactics"
Thanks for being excellent though.
matuski
Footballguy
matuski
Footballguy
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