*** OFFICIAL *** COVID-19 CoronaVirus Thread. Fresh epidemic fears as child pneumonia cases surge in Europe after China outbreak. NOW in USA (20 Viewers)

[culdeus]

I have zero respect for a single number China puts out there.  Judging the 11-15 deaths outside China, it still appears its mostly older people, but it’s far too early to put any numbers on it with this sample size. 

Why?  It seems a completely reasonable sample size to extract across the china data.  

I'd be stunned if it didn't wilks test out to 99.5% C.I.  

 

[Doug B]

San Antonio's confirmed case was housed 6 miles from my house. They have since moved them to another hospital but refuse to say where in the name of patient privacy. So we have a highly infectious individual that could be housed in the same hospital as your ailing parent of child but it's the carrier's privacy they are concerned with. 

I think the bolded is the disconnect. If you wouldn't worry about a critical influenza patient in the same situation, you don't need to worry about the coronavirus patient. Seems like people are thinking there is something different about the spread of the coronavirus versus other comparable respiratory viruses like influenza and rhinoviruses.

There's no evidence of "magical", unexplainable spreading that I'm aware of. Does anyone else know different?

 

[DallasDMac]

So you think there is a practical way to treat coronavirus patients? Build dedicated hospitals on-demand?

You have to trust infection control measures - both for the protection of other patients and healthcare workers.

Not asking for that at all. Also not asking anyone to violate the patient's confidentiality.  But this city has at least a dozen hospitals. If the city is designated a quarantine location, I don't think it is unreasonable to to be honest and open about the hospital housing this/these patient/s so I can chose another hospital that simply doesn't carry that added risk if I or someone in my family needs treatment requiring hospitalization. What is gained by not letting this information be known? The government has asked the city to be accepting of being a quarantine city. I don't think expecting them to be honest and open about the situation in return is unreasonable.

 

[shader]

Why?  It seems a completely reasonable sample size to extract across the china data.  

I'd be stunned if it didn't wilks test out to 99.5% C.I.  

Because the China data is unreliable?

 

[culdeus]

Because the China data is unreliable?

I mean at what point do we use the international data to validate the china data is the question.  For the purposes of the <50 fatality rate I think we are close to being able to do so.

 

[Tecumseh]

16 new cases in italy. I have a trip scheduled for first week of April. That's concerning, mostly because we're taking my mom, who is pushing 70.

 

[Otis]

Coronavirus compared to other outbreaks (graph)

Damn. 

 

[LTsharks]

I think the bolded is the disconnect. If you wouldn't worry about a critical influenza patient in the same situation, you don't need to worry about the coronavirus patient. Seems like people are thinking there is something different about the spread of the coronavirus versus other comparable respiratory viruses like influenza and rhinoviruses.

There's no evidence of "magical", unexplainable spreading that I'm aware of. Does anyone else know different?

Nope, no "magical" spreading.  It is just the that at a 1% death rate it is 100 times as deadly as the flu.  If that isn't a big deal to you, then cool.  Nothing to worry about, just another flu virus.  

 

[shader]

Non-China Reported Cases

2/7 - 277

2/10 - 394

2/12 - 490

2/14 - 525

2/16 - 695

2/17 - 893 reported cases - (454 on Diamond Princess) - 135 recovered - 36 serious/critical - 5 dead 

2/18 - 1,014 reported cases (542 on Diamond Princess) - 152 recovered - 39 serious/critical - 5 dead

2/19 - 1,149 reported cases (621 on Diamond Princess) - 169 recovered - 45 serious/critical - 10 dead

2/20 - 1,259 reported cases (634 on Diamond Princess) - 191 recovered - 45 serious/critical - 11 dead

2/21 - 1,525 reported cases (634 on Diamond Princess) - 209 recovered - 52 serious/critical - 15 dead

 

[shader]

I think the bolded is the disconnect. If you wouldn't worry about a critical influenza patient in the same situation, you don't need to worry about the coronavirus patient. Seems like people are thinking there is something different about the spread of the coronavirus versus other comparable respiratory viruses like influenza and rhinoviruses.

There's no evidence of "magical", unexplainable spreading that I'm aware of. Does anyone else know different?

Its not comparable to the flu, and no one is implying magic is involved.  The flu, btw, is highly infectious and is gonna get around.

This virus is far more dangerous and countries are instituting large measures to stop the spread because of that.

 

[Doug B]

What distinguishes a super-spreader from other infected people? Is there a physiological reason they sicken more people than usual? Or is it dumb luck?

That South Korean woman who infected 90 people in a hospital after being admitted for car-wreck injuries ... that beggars belief. What the heck was she doing? Licking people’s food? Coughing in people’s faces? You can’t tell me that some nurse was caught unaware and caught the virus after putting a stethoscope on the woman’s chest or something like that.

 

[Smack Tripper]

What distinguishes a super-spreader from other infected people? Is there a physiological reason they sicken more people than usual? Or is it dumb luck?

That South Korean woman who infected 90 people in a hospital after being admitted for car-wreck injuries ... that beggars belief. What the heck was she doing? Licking people’s food? Coughing in people’s faces? You can’t tell me that some nurse was caught unaware and caught the virus after putting a stethoscope on the woman’s chest or something like that.

Perhaps, in a church and a hosptial, there's a bigger bulk of elderly, which might as well make them super receptors as much as she's a super spreader.

 

[jvdesigns2002]

Xi: “Coronavirus Outbreak Has Not Yet Peaked” Link 
"A turning point in the development of the national epidemic situation has not yet arrived," concluded the meeting, chaired by President Xi Jinping, according to state television.

China plans to build 19 more temporary hospitals (30,000 beds) in Wuhan.  Previously, Wuhan has converted 13 existing venues into temporary hospitals (13,348 beds). Link

In regards to the temporary hospitals—they are more like make shift quarantine chambers than they are hospitals. They are basically modular—imagine stackable shipping containers.  Full disclosure—i’ve heard from people that I know in China (but not in the mainland) that they have heard stories that when people pass away in those make shift modules—that the authorities just seal them up and transport the entire module out so that they don’t have to “handle” the bodies and put a new module in place. Again—I want to make clear that this is not verified—it’s just what people that I know in china have been told—so it could just be a rumor.

 

[jvdesigns2002]

One thing is for sure, things are a little different here than in a communist state...

Costa Mesa gets court order to keep Fairview Developmental Center from use as coronavirus quarantine site - Costa Mesa tried to block transfer of coronavirus patients to their city.

i live in Huntington Beach—which neighbors Costa Mesa—and I hope they block the transfer of patients there.  The Fairview development center is just off of a major road called Harbor Boulevard. That road has many businesses, lots of housing and is always full of traffic.  The developmental center is located on the grounds of a golf course in the middle of the madness. To put things in perspective—if you drive north up on Harbor Blvd for about 20 minutes from the developmental center—you’d be at Disneyland.  A 5 minute drive away from there is one of the most prestigious and busy malls called South Coast Plaza. There apparently was rumors that a woman with Coronavirus went to that mall a few weeks ago—and the mall literally went from being a bustling center of commerce to being a ghost.town.  Things got soo bad that the mall owners started a program a few days ago that if you spend $1500  at the mall—you wait in this line and they will give you a 300 dollar gift card. If you spend 2500 dollars—they give you a 500 dollar gift card.   That promotion is the only thing keeping the mall busy—as apparently they have been giving away between 1.5 and 2 million dollars in gift cards the past few days.  Putting a bunch of people that are infected with a highly communicable diesease in the middle of a heavily trafficked and densely populated area just seems like an absolutely absurd idea in my opinion. 

 

[msommer]

So there are super spreaders. They know no geographic bounds.

This super spreader refused testing twice and went to church four times.

 

[msommer]

What distinguishes a super-spreader from other infected people? Is there a physiological reason they sicken more people than usual? Or is it dumb luck?

That South Korean woman who infected 90 people in a hospital after being admitted for car-wreck injuries ... that beggars belief. What the heck was she doing? Licking people’s food? Coughing in people’s faces? You can’t tell me that some nurse was caught unaware and caught the virus after putting a stethoscope on the woman’s chest or something like that.

She refused to be tested the first two times health personnel suspected she might be infected (on the grounds she had not traveled abroad). That's the problem right there

 

[msommer]

i live in Huntington Beach—which neighbors Costa Mesa—and I hope they block the transfer of patients there.  The Fairview development center is just off of a major road called Harbor Boulevard. That road has many businesses, lots of housing and is always full of traffic.  The developmental center is located on the grounds of a golf course in the middle of the madness. To put things in perspective—if you drive north up on Harbor Blvd for about 20 minutes from the developmental center—you’d be at Disneyland.  A 5 minute drive away from there is one of the most prestigious and busy malls called South Coast Plaza. There apparently was rumors that a woman with Coronavirus went to that mall a few weeks ago—and the mall literally went from being a bustling center of commerce to being a ghost.town.  Things got soo bad that the mall owners started a program a few days ago that if you spend $1500  at the mall—you wait in this line and they will give you a 300 dollar gift card. If you spend 2500 dollars—they give you a 500 dollar gift card.   That promotion is the only thing keeping the mall busy—as apparently they have been giving away between 1.5 and 2 million dollars in gift cards the past few days.  Putting a bunch of people that are infected with a highly communicable diesease in the middle of a heavily trafficked and densely populated area just seems like an absolutely absurd idea in my opinion. 

Doesn't quarantine imply a door locked from the outside? 

 

[Terminalxylem]

Not asking for that at all. Also not asking anyone to violate the patient's confidentiality.  But this city has at least a dozen hospitals. If the city is designated a quarantine location, I don't think it is unreasonable to to be honest and open about the hospital housing this/these patient/s so I can chose another hospital that simply doesn't carry that added risk if I or someone in my family needs treatment requiring hospitalization. What is gained by not letting this information be known? The government has asked the city to be accepting of being a quarantine city. I don't think expecting them to be honest and open about the situation in return is unreasonable.

There are many communicable diseases within a hospital at any given moment. Some of them are even deadly. Should a hospital advertise all of those too? 
 

What impact will notifying prospective patients of coronavirus preparation have on throughput at other facilities? While it may not be applicable to all locations, most major cities already have overflowing ERs during the winter. We don’t need to overwhelm smaller hospitals because of unjustified fear of COVID-19 exposure.

If you remain concerned, I recommend you go to non-academic, rural medical centers. Good luck getting the same standard of care you’d receive going to a bigger hospital, even considering the inconsequential risk you’d add of contracting coronavirus from one of their patients or staff.

 

[jvdesigns2002]

Doesn't quarantine imply a door locked from the outside? 

What does that have to do with anything that I wrote?   You think that a door locked from the outside  is a 100% guarantee that it can’t spread?   Quarantines are not full proof—-and putting a bunch of infected people in the very middle of a densely populated area is mind numbingly stupid in my opinion. This country is lucky enough to have ample medical facilities throughout it. Many of them are in sparsely populated areas that are more isolated in nature.  Those facilities should be used first before anyone considers putting them near large population areas. 

 

[msommer]

What does that have to do with anything that I wrote?   You think that a door locked from the outside  is a 100% guarantee that it can’t spread?   Quarantines are not full proof—-and putting a bunch of infected people in the very middle of a densely populated area is mind numbingly stupid in my opinion. This country is lucky enough to have ample medical facilities throughout it. Many of them are in sparsely populated areas that are more isolated in nature.  Those facilities should be used first before anyone considers putting them near large population areas. 

locked doors and negative airpressure with hepa filters should be enough that it doesn't sptead anywhere

 

[jvdesigns2002]

locked doors and negative airpressure with hepa filters should be enough that it doesn't sptead anywhere

I prefer not to put hundreds of thousands of people at risk of getting sick based on “should be enough”.   We can agree to disagree. If people are sick with a disease that requires they be isolated—why not put them in a location that is more isolated from a large population?  It’s pretty simple.  I’d rather move a handful of medical professionals to the sick as opposed to bringing the sick to close proximity of the masses. 

 

[culdeus]

In all of the States, as of yesterday, there were 414 cumulative tests. So if there were a super spreader or spreaders here, we may not yet know about it. It might be masked in all those seasonal flu and cold cases. (Operative word is “may.”)

But South Korea is testing anyone with symptoms, and finding cases. We simply are not testing anyone unless there is cause to suspect the virus. Well, what if someone caught it in passing and took it to... Cleveland, or El Paso, or Tucson...? They are not being tested. 

How many test kits are there?  

 

[The Z Machine]

In all of the States, as of yesterday, there were 414 cumulative tests. So if there were a super spreader or spreaders here, we may not yet know about it. It might be masked in all those seasonal flu and cold cases. (Operative word is “may.”)

But South Korea is testing anyone with symptoms, and finding cases. We simply are not testing anyone unless there is cause to suspect the virus. Well, what if someone caught it in passing and took it to... Cleveland, or El Paso, or Tucson...? They are not being tested. 

If that happened, you'd likely see a spike in visits to the ER for respiratory issues. I don't think we've seen that.

As far as I know there is no sustained human to human transmission (yet) in the US. There likely will be the to the infectiousness of this virus, but it is unlikely it's happened already.

The state and local public health professionals are ramping up their preparations and protocols. It's a shame that their funding has been slashed over the last few decades.

 

[The Z Machine]

Apparently, happens week three of symptoms, after up to a 24 day incubation period. Hubei reported a case that materialized 42 days after exposure. So we are not apt to have seen that yet, if it is going to happen at all, even if average incubation period is 3 days. I think we would expect to see that in the next week or two, depending on what degree that spike would be noticeable.

Do you want to wager on the date of sustained human to human transmission in the continental U.S.?

 

[jvdesigns2002]

There are many communicable diseases within a hospital at any given moment. Some of them are even deadly. Should a hospital advertise all of those too? 
 

What impact will notifying prospective patients of coronavirus preparation have on throughput at other facilities? While it may not be applicable to all locations, most major cities already have overflowing ERs during the winter. We don’t need to overwhelm smaller hospitals because of unjustified fear of COVID-19 exposure.

If you remain concerned, I recommend you go to non-academic, rural medical centers. Good luck getting the same standard of care you’d receive going to a bigger hospital, even considering the inconsequential risk you’d add of contracting coronavirus from one of their patients or staff.

They should absolutely disclose that if it is in the name of public health.   They routinely advertise places where people may have been exposed to measles.  Places where people could be exposed to hepatitis b are disclosed.  As long as specific names of patients and medical records are kept confidential—nobody should be offended by this. 

 

[Smack Tripper]

Apparently, happens week three of symptoms, after up to a 24 day incubation period. Hubei reported a case that materialized 42 days after exposure. So we are not apt to have seen that yet, if it is going to happen at all, even if average incubation period is 3 days. I think we would expect to see that in the next week or two, depending on what degree that spike would be noticeable. Have to imagine most communities are used to +/- 20% swings in respiratory cases based on seasonal illness.

I think we need to acknowledge the general prevalence of hand washing amongst enough Americans to slow or impede progress, even in an airborne setting as opposed to what I understand is a cultural deviation in China to wash their hands regularly.  I thought I heard this was even prevalent in Vietnam moreso inclined to wash their hands but for whatever reason, in China, its not a norm.  Its also a norm to spit in the street, and its also a norm to smoke.

When you read about the fecal transmission possibilities, it makes you concerned for places like India which still has rampant public defacation or other eastern cultures where people are still wiping with their left hand.  

We aren't immune but there's been enough back and forth and we are closing in on 30 days from the lockdown phase.  Stay vigilant, keep washing and sanitizing your hands with Purell.  But we can't live in total fear yet when there's no real reason to yet.

 

[msommer]

I prefer not to put hundreds of thousands of people at risk of getting sick based on “should be enough”.   We can agree to disagree. If people are sick with a disease that requires they be isolated—why not put them in a location that is more isolated from a large population?  It’s pretty simple.  I’d rather move a handful of medical professionals to the sick as opposed to bringing the sick to close proximity of the masses. 

Great. Now, if not in your back yard where? And at whose expense should these new quarantine facilities be built?

 

[culdeus]

I prefer not to put hundreds of thousands of people at risk of getting sick based on “should be enough”.   We can agree to disagree. If people are sick with a disease that requires they be isolated—why not put them in a location that is more isolated from a large population?  It’s pretty simple.  I’d rather move a handful of medical professionals to the sick as opposed to bringing the sick to close proximity of the masses. 

Lol at simple.  

 

[jvdesigns2002]

Great. Now, if not in your back yard where? And at whose expense should these new quarantine facilities be built?

There are lots of high tech medical facilities in sparsely populated areas.   Look at military installations.  There are lots of them that have very high tech medical facilities that are isolated from areas of dense population.   There are plenty of them here in California.  And it’s not that i don’t want it in my backyard.  They shouldn’t be put in any densely populated area—whether its here, New York, Dallas, London, Tokyo, Chicago, Tehran. It’s common sense that you don’t bring the disease to where the masses are. Even with precaution—you have to look at the risk versus reward.  If there is one mistake and this thing breaks out in a place like Los Angeles or New York—the results could be catastrophic. I’m not sure how this is hard to understand.  Besides that—are you familiar with the Fairview developmental center?  It’s not a complete medical facility. Its mainly used for people with mental disease.

 

[jvdesigns2002]

Lol at simple.  

The concept of avoiding putting people that are sick with a deadly and highly communicable disease in densely populated areas is not “simple”?  I follow a lot of your posts enough to know that you are very intelligent—so either you are playing dumb or are just trolling at this point.  Either way—if you feel that way-we’ll just agree to disagree.   If you think bringing the diseased to the masses is smart—that’s fine by me. 

 

[The Z Machine]

Another problem is that face masks and PPE for hospitals and first responders are running low already.  Middlemen have been hoarding existing stock to send to countries with initial demand (at large profits), and many people are also sending large supplies back home to help their family and friends.

Yeah, plus the country that makes most of those masks also has the greatest demand for them, so they're not exporting them.

The other challenge is that basic PPE isn't very effective against this transmission when in close contact.  The PPE needed is pretty moderate (not Ebola level) but more extensive than most people have access to.

 

[culdeus]

The concept of avoiding putting people that are sick with a deadly and highly communicable disease in densely populated areas is not “simple”?  I follow a lot of your posts enough to know that you are very intelligent—so either you are playing dumb or are just trolling at this point.  Either way—if you feel that way-we’ll just agree to disagree.   If you think bringing the diseased to the masses is smart—that’s fine by me. 

What exactly is your plan to evacuate people?  Because that's your stated objective, unless you want to exterminate people China style?  

 

[jvdesigns2002]

What exactly is your plan to evacuate people?  Because that's your stated objective, unless you want to exterminate people China style?  

Where have i ever said anything about evacuating people? What are you talking about?  I commented on the city of Costa Mesa blocking having people with Coronavirus treated at a facility that is right in the center of a densely populated area.  This facility is not a real hospital—its a mental health center that is located in a golf course that is surrounded by homes—and happens to be on a major road just minutes from a major shopping mall and Disneyland .  The are lots of medical facilities in the US that are equally good—if not better—that don’t happen to be in the center of a densely populated area. My point is that those locations should be selected first. Is that simple enough?

 

[msommer]

There are lots of high tech medical facilities in sparsely populated areas.   Look at military installations.  There are lots of them that have very high tech medical facilities that are isolated from areas of dense population.   There are plenty of them here in California.  And it’s not that i don’t want it in my backyard.  They shouldn’t be put in any densely populated area—whether its here, New York, Dallas, London, Tokyo, Chicago, Tehran. It’s common sense that you don’t bring the disease to where the masses are. Even with precaution—you have to look at the risk versus reward.  If there is one mistake and this thing breaks out in a place like Los Angeles or New York—the results could be catastrophic. I’m not sure how this is hard to understand.  Besides that—are you familiar with the Fairview developmental center?  It’s not a complete medical facility. Its mainly used for people with mental disease.

Military installations tend to have a high population density, unless you want to build new facilities funded by emergency taxes?

 

[jvdesigns2002]

Military installations tend to have a high population density, unless you want to build new facilities funded by emergency taxes?

Have you been to the military installations in the Mojave Desert between California and Vegas?  Are you more familiar with the location that is being discussed than a person that lives 8 minutes away from it?  Have you seen tons of people living in Camp Pendleton?    There are plenty of military installations that are not located right in the middle of a bustling high population metropolis.  You just seem to want to argue for the sake or arguing—and I’m not interested in that.   If your point is that this is the only facility where the sick can get proper care—you are 1000% wrong.  This country is fortunate enough to have lots of medical facilities and many of them are in areas that are not densely populated.  Period.  Enjoy your day. 

 

[culdeus]

Where have i ever said anything about evacuating people? What are you talking about?  I commented on the city of Costa Mesa blocking having people with Coronavirus treated at a facility that is right in the center of a densely populated area.  This facility is not a real hospital—its a mental health center that is located in a golf course that is surrounded by homes—and happens to be on a major road just minutes from a major shopping mall and Disneyland .  The are lots of medical facilities in the US that are equally good—if not better—that don’t happen to be in the center of a densely populated area. My point is that those locations should be selected first. Is that simple enough?

Let's say I self quarantine, I'm in Dallas.  I get sick, then suddenly serious.  Am I supposed to drive to Abilene?  I'm not following your idea to keep things out of the city by treating people in more moderate population centers.

 

[The Z Machine]

While I'm not a big fan of NIMBYism, there are likely better facilities to put COVID19 patients than that one. Moor due to proximity to population, but because it's not a great facility for containment.

But, I'll defer to the public health people on this one. Perhaps they are identifying ALL possible sites for quarantine, and this one is low on the list, but may be necessary in the event of a localized outbreak.

 

[jvdesigns2002]

Let's say I self quarantine, I'm in Dallas.  I get sick, then suddenly serious.  Am I supposed to drive to Abilene?  I'm not following your idea to keep things out of the city by treating people in more moderate population centers.

Did you read the article? This is not about self quarantining and driving yourself to this facility. You couldn’t and  wouldn’t be able to do that anyway.   This is about transporting people who have already been tested positive as having the virus to this densely populated area from Travis Air Force base.  This facility is not even a standard hospital—they couldn’t treat a flu or a broken leg there—and they expect it to be good enough to serve as a safe haven for a deadly virus?  

 

[Smack Tripper]

Did you read the article? This is not about self quarantining and driving yourself to this facility. You couldn’t want wouldn’t be able to do that anyway.   This is about transporting people who have already been tested positive as having the virus to this densely populated area from Travis Air Force base.  This facility is not even a standard hospital—they couldn’t treat a flu or a broken leg there—and they expect it to be good enough to serve as a safe haven for a deadly virus?  

Ok prepper

 

[Doug B]

Yup, face masks and negative pressure rooms mostly help to reduce virus spread, when what people really want to find are ways to prevent themselves from getting sick besides washing their hands a lot.

Spitballing:

When decked out in Ebola gear and handling a COVID patient ... the gear probably gives you 20% of your protection, with hygiene and hand-washing giving you 80%.

 

[jvdesigns2002]

Ok prepper

I dont need dooshy comments nor does this thread.   From the beginning of this thread—I’ve said this virus is not being taken seriously enough and that the Chinese government was lying to their own citizens and the world.   People were joking around about this virus being like a common cold/flu and making distasteful jokes about the deaths of thousands of people.  It’s spreading a lot quicker than any of the numbers indicate because they cannot test people fast enough due to a lack of kits.  I assure you many tens of thousands of people have passed away from this thing that we’ll never know about.    If you don’t like what i say ignore me or move on—but leave your classless jokes and name calling out.     I’m not a prepper—I’m a concerned citizen—which is what all of us should be in regards to this horrid disease. 

 

[Doug B]

What I’m kinda pissed about this virus is that there is no immunity.  You are at even higher risk of serious illness if you catch it again after you recovered from it.

Is this locked-down known for sure, or still speculative? I’ve seen this mentioned along the way, but nothing corroborated.

 

[Doug B]

Thinking about that Costa Mesa clinic ... is it really in the middle of a golf course? And not used by regular patients for ordinary illnesses or infirmities?

If so, I think I get why it’s being considered (or had been selected?) as a quarantine site. Physical isolation might be easier to set up at a site like that. And having no concerns about regular patients coming around ... that might be another plus.

 

[Doug B]

Spitballing:

When decked out in Ebola gear and handling a COVID patient ... the gear probably gives you 20% of your protection, with hygiene and hand-washing giving you 80%.

Maybe a time machine will help

I don’t follow. We’re you meaning to address my post?

 

[Smack Tripper]

I dont need dooshy comments nor does this thread.   From the beginning of this thread—I’ve said this virus is not being taken seriously enough and that the Chinese government was lying to their own citizens and the world.   People were joking around about this virus being like a common cold/flu and making distasteful jokes about the deaths of thousands of people.  It’s spreading a lot quicker than any of the numbers indicate because they cannot test people fast enough due to a lack of kits.  I assure you many tens of thousands of people have passed away from this thing that we’ll never know about.    If you don’t like what i say ignore me or move on—but leave your classless jokes and name calling out.     I’m not a prepper—I’m a concerned citizen—which is what all of us should be in regards to this horrid disease. 

Perhaps you’re dooshy by dismissing reasonable responses people are taking the time to give you when you seem committed to fear.  Which is your business and right but unless you’re an epidemiologist or have some background in infectious diseases, We are all playing fantasy medicine like we play fantasy football.  You gather and try to process what information you can and try to prepare but jesus get a grip dude.
 

 You want to sequester these patients which is fine, what about the staff taking care of them? And the support staff when otto the janitor doesn’t sanitize his shoes takes it into the circle K on his way home from nowhereland

if you’re not a prepper you might as well be because isolating yourself is the only to ensure things.  

now I’m an idle speculator myself, the extent of my medical is unfortunately learned on the fly taking care or elderly family members, many which had overlapping underlying symptoms to what these poor people are going through.  Medical professionals are Often overworked and suffer burnout but on the whole, they’re incredibly on their game and knowledgeable and have the dual motivation of not wanting to lose their job and/or get sued and they don’t want to get their own family sick.  
 

so I don’t have a background in this, maybe I’m wrong but has an epidemic ever manifest as you fear in the United States with a disease escaping a hosptial and impacting the local geographical area (or broader one)?

if you have some specialized knowledge to bring to this, I’m all ears.  But if not, may I suggest getting a grip for your own sanity.  Wash your hands and cover your mouth when you cough and sneeze 

 

[jvdesigns2002]

Perhaps you’re dooshy by dismissing reasonable responses people are taking the time to give you when you seem committed to fear.  Which is your business and right but unless you’re an epidemiologist or have some background in infectious diseases, We are all playing fantasy medicine like we play fantasy football.  You gather and try to process what information you can and try to prepare but jesus get a grip dude.
 

 You want to sequester these patients which is fine, what about the staff taking care of them? And the support staff when otto the janitor doesn’t sanitize his shoes takes it into the circle K on his way home from nowhereland

if you’re not a prepper you might as well be because isolating yourself is the only to ensure things.  

now I’m an idle speculator myself, the extent of my medical is unfortunately learned on the fly taking care or elderly family members, many which had overlapping underlying symptoms to what these poor people are going through.  Medical professionals are Often overworked and suffer burnout but on the whole, they’re incredibly on their game and knowledgeable and have the dual motivation of not wanting to lose their job and/or get sued and they don’t want to get their own family sick.  
 

so I don’t have a background in this, maybe I’m wrong but has an epidemic ever manifest as you fear in the United States with a disease escaping a hosptial and impacting the local geographical area (or broader one)?

if you have some specialized knowledge to bring to this, I’m all ears.  But if not, may I suggest getting a grip for your own sanity.  Wash your hands and cover your mouth when you cough and sneeze 

Oh wow—somebody calls you out for being snarky and you then choose to elaborate.  How rich of you.  I’ve been nothing but civil and elaborate in all of my responses in this thread and I stand by them all.   Medical professionals have all chosen their profession and taken an oath for their profession.  Its no different than when somebody signs up for the armed forces—they might go to war.  If a medical professional has to work in adverse conditions for the sake of the public-thats their job.   Moving the diseased to the masses is still not a great option under any circumstance. Enjoy your day. 

 

[Smack Tripper]

Oh wow—somebody calls you out for being snarky and you then choose to elaborate.  How rich of you.  I’ve been nothing but civil and elaborate in all of my responses in this thread and I stand by them all.   Medical professionals have all chosen their profession and taken an oath for their profession.  Its no different than when somebody signs up for the armed forces—they might go to war.  If a medical professional has to work in adverse conditions for the sake of the public-thats their job.   Moving the diseased to the masses is still not a great option under any circumstance. Enjoy your day. 

Ok prepper 

 

[H Jass]

Everybody...just stay calm in here.  STAY CALM!! 

 

[SoBeDad]

Has there been a run on masks in the USA? 

 

[Otis]

Returning from Puerto Rico yesterday at the airport in San Juan I saw some nerd in what looked more like a construction mask than a medical mask and thought to myself "what a herb."