*** OFFICIAL *** COVID-19 CoronaVirus Thread. Fresh epidemic fears as child pneumonia cases surge in Europe after China outbreak. NOW in USA (6 Viewers)

[KarmaPolice]

IMO part of the equation for testing is  that MIGHT get people to stay home more if they know they are positive or have been around somebody who is positive.  We don't have the governments that others do, and don't seem to have the widespread support of this to lock everybody down for a couple weeks like we would need to if we say we are too far down the road for testing.  

 

[matuski]

Testing people who felt sick not every single person. 

We just "learned" that asymptomatic people are spreading it as well.  

An obvious part of my argument that apparently isn't obvious.

 

[KarmaPolice]

It is everywhere.

It is beyond the scope of testing each and every person one by one.

I don't know what is weird abut it.  Let me know and I can try again.

Dude, we don't even have the capacity to test people with symptoms.  I think that is more of people's beef - that we crapped the bed on that somehow.  

Seems like you seem to be saying not test anyone though, and by saying it's everywhere - what do you mean?  We are so far ahead of how fast it spread in other countries.    I get that it's in every state, and more than what we think because we are behind on the testing, but I don't think we are so far down the rabbit hole that the knowledge wider testing would provide wouldnt' save lives by knowing where some hotter spots are, cracking down on them, shifting resources around, etc.. 

 

[The General]

We just "learned" that asymptomatic people are spreading it as well.  

An obvious part of my argument that apparently isn't obvious.

I believe they are saying “may” be contributing. It makes sense, but everything is fluid at the moment.

Why wouldn’t you want to see testing done?

It’s not going to hurt.

It’s going to be useful to learn how to do something like this at this scale. 

 

[matuski]

Dude, we don't even have the capacity to test people with symptoms.  I think that is more of people's beef - that we crapped the bed on that somehow.  

Seems like you seem to be saying not test anyone though, and by saying it's everywhere - what do you mean?  We are so far ahead of how fast it spread in other countries.    I get that it's in every state, and more than what we think because we are behind on the testing, but I don't think we are so far down the rabbit hole that the knowledge wider testing would provide wouldnt' save lives by knowing where some hotter spots are, cracking down on them, shifting resources around, etc.. 

The symptoms.  Lets stay on this.  COVID 19 has no treatment.  No cure.  No vaccine.  The symptoms are what you treat at this point.  Once there is a treatment, testing would become completely relevant.  Until then, you are treating the symptoms, not a specific COVID 19 treatment.  Test positive?  Still - just treating the symptoms.

Second - I have no idea whatsoever where you got that I don't want anyone tested?  My argument is the futility of testing the masses.  Testing anyone who wants it.  Pointless.. worse than pointless.

 

[NotSmart]

Getting nervous. Long on supplies except booze. There’s local delivery, but they require you open the door and sign their phone. Family hasn’t been within 10 feet of another human in a week. What to do? The siren call of booze.

I'd say put on a pair of disposable gloves for signing the phone and order away.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Could you please just stop?  Or take it to the PSF sandbox?

 

[Rich Conway]

Getting nervous. Long on supplies except booze. There’s local delivery, but they require you open the door and sign their phone. Family hasn’t been within 10 feet of another human in a week. What to do? The siren call of booze.

Deliver to the neighbor's house, then have them bring it to you without a signature.

 

[matuski]

I believe they are saying “may” be contributing. It makes sense, but everything is fluid at the moment.

Why wouldn’t you want to see testing done?

It’s not going to hurt.

It’s going to be useful to learn how to do something like this at this scale. 

Allow me to be the one to turn that "may" into "definitely".. unless someone here can educate me on a contagious virus that is only spread by the symptomatic.

 

[NotSmart]

I'd say put on a pair of disposable gloves for signing the phone and order away.

Or wait until your potato crop comes in and fire up some vodka.

 

[comfortably numb]

Getting nervous. Long on supplies except booze. There’s local delivery, but they require you open the door and sign their phone. Family hasn’t been within 10 feet of another human in a week. What to do? The siren call of booze.

Go to the window

Hey buddy

I'm quarantined. Sign your phone for me and leave the booze on the doorstep?

 

[matuski]

Could you please just stop?  Or take it to the PSF sandbox?

When people stop spewing what they read in the media as un-challengable fact.. sure.

 

[prosopis]

Americans are still booking vacations due to cheap flights.  It's mind boggling.  

I am thinking this is BS. I have been looking for these cheap flights and so far there are none,

 

[AAABatteries]

Just don't stick your hand in the hole.

Sig it

 

[The General]

Getting nervous. Long on supplies except booze. There’s local delivery, but they require you open the door and sign their phone. Family hasn’t been within 10 feet of another human in a week. What to do? The siren call of booze.

Find 24 hour store. Go at like 2 in the morn. Have your sanitizing gel in your pocket. Dose up after purchase.

 

[NotSmart]

Sig it

I almost used a catchphrase from The Office but it seemed a bit risque.

 

[proteus126]

Cool article with 4 scenario simulations.  You can rerun them.  Interesting to compare results across different containment strategies.  From WaPo.

 

[Politician Spock]

:cough: US :cough:

 

[The General]

Allow me to be the one to turn that "may" into "definitely".. unless someone here can educate me on a contagious virus that is only spread by the symptomatic.

Probably. I’d guess there’s a lot of factors in how you qualify symptomatic. 

Why wouldn’t we want them to get the capability to test up and running, we should have had this but for many reasons we didn’t,  and then start doing it?

 

[the moops]

Our kids have school, but we are likely going to keep them home starting Monday. We got an email from the principal, pretty much saying that the reason they aren't shutting down is because it would royally #### so many of the lower income families if they had nowehere to send their kids. I get it. But we have the luxury of not being royally ####ed

 

[shader]

Don't engage me, do the math for those claiming other countries are testing everyone.

Please.

Pretty please.. for yourself.

Stop with the semantics.  Everyone knows they haven’t tested all 51 million people. But they’ve tested everyone they need to test in order to halt the spread of the disease. 

 

[Cowboysfan8]

May have been posted , idk

State stores in philly area closing indefinitely 

 

[matuski]

@IvanKaramazov @Joe Bryant

In fact, at this point (or a point now long past).. this thread should only ever have been in the PSF.

Counterarguments and information/opinions contrary to the prevailing narrative are chased out en masse.. a la the PSF.

eta - May I introduce the FFA's first Echo Chamber since the PSF formed.

 

[the moops]

Getting nervous. Long on supplies except booze. There’s local delivery, but they require you open the door and sign their phone. Family hasn’t been within 10 feet of another human in a week. What to do? The siren call of booze.

Venmo a friend 200 bucks and have him pick you up 150 bucks worth of booze and he can drop it on your front steps. Not complicated Ham

 

[The General]

Americans are still booking vacations due to cheap flights.  It's mind boggling.  

I am thinking this is BS. I have been looking for these cheap flights and so far there are none,

I am seeing discounted stuff up til about June.

You book a flight in a couple months and hope we have turned the corner. 

Seems pretty uncontroversial.

 

[Morton Muffley]

I believe what they have done is waited long enough to pass the peak rate, and by definition everything from there will be a "downward trend".

Yeah, that's exactly what they did: they waited.

Are you insane?  Do you have a brother who might just happen to be prime minister of England?

 

[Fear The Turtle]

Getting nervous. Long on supplies except booze. There’s local delivery, but they require you open the door and sign their phone. Family hasn’t been within 10 feet of another human in a week. What to do? The siren call of booze.

I apologize if you have covered this earlier in the thread but what are the ages of you and your family and do any have any susceptible medical conditions? 

 

[Grace Under Pressure]

Getting nervous. Long on supplies except booze. There’s local delivery, but they require you open the door and sign their phone. Family hasn’t been within 10 feet of another human in a week. What to do? The siren call of booze.

You’re doing awesome work for your family and for society. Cut yourself a break and get some booze. Wash hands, put on gloves, turn your head away from the other human, sign, they leave, remove gloves and wash hands for a minute straight. You deserve it. 

 

[moleculo]

Matuski, can you stop posting the same thing over and over again? We've all seen it. Start a thread for the circular arguments so the rest of the conversation can breathe in here, damn. 

Still not sure if Matsuki thinks testing is worthwhile or not.

 

[matuski]

Yeah, that's exactly what they did: they waited.

Are you insane?  Do you have a brother who might just happen to be prime minister of England?

Hey man, quality effort.

Thank you.

 

[Ilov80s]

1st confirmed case at Michigan State. Hopefully wasn’t a student who was out at the jam packed bars the last couple nights.

 

[matuski]

Matuski, can you stop posting the same thing over and over again? We've all seen it. Start a thread for the circular arguments so the rest of the conversation can breathe in here, damn. 

Yes, I will allow this thread to return to its entirely un-repetitive posts about China and grocery store shelves.

eta - and testing, we need testing.  Not repetitive at all.

 

[The General]

I don’t want to come face to face with anyone coming face to face with anyone. At least for two more weeks. So plan is to get a big order to the door and appeal to delivery person to leave the order, mostly red wine (how was the Stags Leap!) without an open door. I will leave ID on the steps so they can scan and ask for them to sign. If not, will ask they leave phone and back away. Will disinfect with Clorox and sign if necessary. Getting a damn month supply. Should have last week.

That would work too. 

The Stag’s was great, thank you for asking. Something about the soil down there in that sliver of land they grow the grapes, the stuff is just so smooth but super rich.

Having a Washington Red right now - Mark Ryan. Really good but not quite Napa level.

How are the veggies coming in?

 

[The General]

1st confirmed case at Michigan State. Hopefully wasn’t a student who was out at the jam packed bars the last couple nights.

Oh man. 

 

[comfortably numb]

1st confirmed case at Michigan State. Hopefully wasn’t a student who was out at the jam packed bars the last couple nights.

Hopefully it was a molesting doctor!

 

[Politician Spock]

The current topic at hand is how to acquire booze safely. 

Anyone wanting to discuss something else, please leave and come back tomorrow. 

 

[Politician Spock]

Hopefully it was a molesting doctor!

This non-booze post is acceptable. 

 

[Ilov80s]

This is telling

https://twitter.com/davcarretta/status/1238791068071661568?s=21

 

[The General]

The current topic at hand is how to acquire booze safely. 

Anyone wanting to discuss something else, please leave and come back tomorrow. 

Drone with a sign and cash attached would be pretty epic.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Good thread on the 1957 flu pandemic.  Potentially "most similar" to this one.

Flu came through in waves, not all at once.  Partly seasonality, partly some of the same countermeasures we're talking about now.  Kind of good news in that history suggests we WILL eventually react.

Total "excess deaths" were around 116k in 1957 as a result of the flu.  Population is nearly double now, so so would be like 225k in the US today.  

Unlike the back of the envelop #s you get to assuming no systemic response, the 1957 case review includes some of those reactions.  And also talks about how the impact will come in waves as we react, relax, react, relax across several seasonal fluctuations as well.

 

[Mister CIA]

When people stop spewing what they read in the media as un-challengable fact.. sure.

Interesting, you're anti-spewing.

 

[shuke]

Now that it's legal everywhere I don't get the same joy out of smoking a joint. 

Of all the dumb stuff said in this thread, this takes the cake.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

@IvanKaramazov

In fact, at this point (or a point now long past).. this thread should only ever have been in the PSF.

Counterarguments and information/opinions contrary to the prevailing narrative are chased out en masse.. a la the PSF.

I'm just saying that I don't think it's helpful for this particular thread to get too terribly derailed.  I mean, I know its the FFA and we're all going to have our little hobby horses, but still.

You're a good guy, and you and I go back a long way.  I sincerely hope that you and your family are doing well.  I'm going to drop all of this after this post.

 

[whoknew]

I don’t want to come face to face with anyone coming face to face with anyone. At least for two more weeks. So plan is to get a big order to the door and appeal to delivery person to leave the order, mostly red wine (how was the Stags Leap!) without an open door. I will leave ID on the steps so they can scan and ask for them to sign. If not, will ask they leave phone and back away. Will disinfect with Clorox and sign if necessary. Getting a damn month supply. Should have last week.

You are in Austin, right? Me too. Happy to help if you want. I can make a food run.

 

[Anarchy99]

Watched Outbreak and Contagion again. They were more enjoyable when they were fiction. 

 

[comfortably numb]

You are in Austin, right? Me too. Happy to help if you want. I can make a food run.

Meeting an internet person IRL might be more difficult than dealing with coronavirus 

 

[The General]

You are in Austin, right? Me too. Happy to help if you want. I can make a food run.

Awesome.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Watched Outbreak and Contagion again. They were more enjoyable when they were fiction. 

I actually watched Contagion last night.  It's kind of scary how close that movie actually is to real life.

 

[Doug B]

Getting nervous. Long on supplies except booze. There’s local delivery, but they require you open the door and sign their phone.

Seems pretty riskless—either wash thoroughly after signing or else wear a glove while signing.  

I’m not aware that COVID spreads quite that easily. Just sign and wash up — you’ve got to handle “dirty” bottles anyway before you can wipe them down.

 

[wazoo11]

I nominate @Evilgrin 72 and @Capella to keep tabs on the Florida python problem