*** OFFICIAL *** COVID-19 CoronaVirus Thread. Fresh epidemic fears as child pneumonia cases surge in Europe after China outbreak. NOW in USA (5 Viewers)

[SFBayDuck]

As I'm sure is true for a lot of you, this thing just keeps getting closer and closer.  This week I learned a fraternity brother that lives here in Northern California has it and has been hospitalized, mid-40s.  Was just chatting with him on FB Messenger, he just started antibody therapy and said he's started to improve but that it's done serious damage to his lungs and kidneys.  Also found out yesterday about another fraternity brother who's father in law died from Covid this week.

 

[Otis]

As I'm sure is true for a lot of you, this thing just keeps getting closer and closer.  This week I learned a fraternity brother that lives here in Northern California has it and has been hospitalized, mid-40s.  Was just chatting with him on FB Messenger, he just started antibody therapy and said he's started to improve but that it's done serious damage to his lungs and kidneys.  Also found out yesterday about another fraternity brother who's father in law died from Covid this week.

Have multiple coworkers who have tested positive. No family. And thankfully everyone has so far recovered. All very lucky. 

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Inside the coronavirus testing failure: Alarm and dismay among the scientists who sought to help

This reads like a chapter out of Bureaucracy by Ludwig von Mises

Greninger channeled his energy into the paperwork problem, spending more than 100 hours filling out forms and collecting information needed for the application, he told The Post. But when he finally submitted the material, an FDA official told him the agency could not accept it — because he had emailed it.

“We received your email and attachments regarding the UW 2019-nCoV assay pre-EUA,” an FDA official wrote on Feb. 20. “However, we have not received the official submission through DCC.”

“What is the DCC?” Greninger wrote back.

“The Document Control Center,” came the reply.

“What is the Document Control Center?”

Greninger then learned about another requirement. Under FDA rules, he was supposed to digitally copy the electronic documents he had emailed to the FDA, burn the copies onto a disk and mail the hard disk to an office in suburban District of Columbia.

 

[Man In The Box]

As I'm sure is true for a lot of you, this thing just keeps getting closer and closer.  This week I learned a fraternity brother that lives here in Northern California has it and has been hospitalized, mid-40s.  Was just chatting with him on FB Messenger, he just started antibody therapy and said he's started to improve but that it's done serious damage to his lungs and kidneys.  Also found out yesterday about another fraternity brother who's father in law died from Covid this week.

I know four people who have died, and about a dozen who are in quarantine after testing positive, including my cousin. It’s hard to wrap my brain around. Feels like one long, bad dream. 

 

[H Jass]

This reads like a chapter out of Bureaucracy by Ludwig von Mises

Between the FDA on this (and approving all sorts of antibody tests; “we’ll get to it in a month”)and the utter failure of the CDC on an effective Covid-19 test and PPE both agencies should be torn down completely after this and reimagined.

 I’m a Fed who actually works in an agency that deals with and helps prepare for disasters. So I’m typically sympathetic to ignorant criticisms from John Q. Public who don’t know how the landscape works. Those agencies failed in their missions. Spectacularly.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

My wife's best friend think's she's got it.  Fever, cough, diarrhea.

Wife wanted to go over there this past weekend for drinks at a safe distance, but I Hell No'd it.  Thank god.

 

[Kevrunner]

Florida is maybe the most surprising area in the world to be doing well. After Spring Break & then being slow to issue stay at home guidance, I think everyone expected the numbers to explode.

My mother (80 years old) gets an infusion once a week at home, due to her lung issues, the guy who treats her told her today that the hospital he works out of is in real good shape, not having any patient issues at all, he was very surprised, said it was pretty much normal.  Not sure where his hospital is located, I know he lives in Naples, my mother lives in Ft. Meyers area.  Anyway, I would have expected Florida to explode also, maybe the temperatures have something to do with it being not as bad. 

 

[Sand]

Why is this true if the numbers are taking such a positive turn?

Because this is so dispersed that any human gatherings will cause a large resurgence.  To wit - that 16 person outbreak from 1 family party in Chicago.  Or the huge outbreak in Korea from that religious gathering.  

We are going to have a really hard time opening this back up.  WSJ article.

 

[dmac37]

Unfortunately this has hit our home as I took my wife to the hospital yesterday and she was diagnosed with COVID-19. She has been bed ridden for a week prior to yesterday with a max temp of 101 with no other sure signs of corona but had a horrible day yesterday and our doctor made plans to allow her to be admitted for evaluation. The good news, she has not had shortness of breath and they did not admit her and I brought her home last night.   

I'm 58 and have a pre-existing condition as I had a heart attack last year but consider myself in good health otherwise. My wife has a low immunity system so we have been concerned for both of us with our conditions. I have not felt right for a while but have not had a fever or shortness of breath so I have continued along as business as usual. My personal opinion is with us both being in close quarters we both have had the same virus and now I think we both have had some form of coronavirus.

I guess what my rambling is meant to point out is that this pandemic is extremely unpredictable. Younger people in great shape have died from this and other people like my wife have been able to fight this off and move forward. 

 

[joffer]

Unfortunately this has hit our home as I took my wife to the hospital yesterday and she was diagnosed with COVID-19. She has been bed ridden for a week prior to yesterday with a max temp of 101 with no other sure signs of corona but had a horrible day yesterday and our doctor made plans to allow her to be admitted for evaluation. The good news, she has not had shortness of breath and they did not admit her and I brought her home last night.   

I'm 58 and have a pre-existing condition as I had a heart attack last year but consider myself in good health otherwise. My wife has a low immunity system so we have been concerned for both of us with our conditions. I have not felt right for a while but have not had a fever or shortness of breath so I have continued along as business as usual. My personal opinion is with us both being in close quarters we both have had the same virus and now I think we both have had some form of coronavirus.

I guess what my rambling is meant to point out is that this pandemic is extremely unpredictable. Younger people in great shape have died from this and other people like my wife have been able to fight this off and move forward. 

 Best wishes to you and your wife dmac 

 

[skol asylum]

Ordered my first quarantine delivery. Pizza Hut. Pop it in the oven for 5 minutes on 350 good?

 

[Cowboysfan8]

Unfortunately this has hit our home as I took my wife to the hospital yesterday and she was diagnosed with COVID-19. She has been bed ridden for a week prior to yesterday with a max temp of 101 with no other sure signs of corona but had a horrible day yesterday and our doctor made plans to allow her to be admitted for evaluation. The good news, she has not had shortness of breath and they did not admit her and I brought her home last night.   

I'm 58 and have a pre-existing condition as I had a heart attack last year but consider myself in good health otherwise. My wife has a low immunity system so we have been concerned for both of us with our conditions. I have not felt right for a while but have not had a fever or shortness of breath so I have continued along as business as usual. My personal opinion is with us both being in close quarters we both have had the same virus and now I think we both have had some form of coronavirus.

I guess what my rambling is meant to point out is that this pandemic is extremely unpredictable. Younger people in great shape have died from this and other people like my wife have been able to fight this off and move forward. 

Best of luck to you and your wife 

 

[skol asylum]

Unfortunately this has hit our home as I took my wife to the hospital yesterday and she was diagnosed with COVID-19. She has been bed ridden for a week prior to yesterday with a max temp of 101 with no other sure signs of corona but had a horrible day yesterday and our doctor made plans to allow her to be admitted for evaluation. The good news, she has not had shortness of breath and they did not admit her and I brought her home last night.   

I'm 58 and have a pre-existing condition as I had a heart attack last year but consider myself in good health otherwise. My wife has a low immunity system so we have been concerned for both of us with our conditions. I have not felt right for a while but have not had a fever or shortness of breath so I have continued along as business as usual. My personal opinion is with us both being in close quarters we both have had the same virus and now I think we both have had some form of coronavirus.

I guess what my rambling is meant to point out is that this pandemic is extremely unpredictable. Younger people in great shape have died from this and other people like my wife have been able to fight this off and move forward. 

Best wishes. Hope you both fight it off soon.

 

[shader]

Non-China Reported Cases

2/7 - 277 reported cases

2/12 - 490 reported cases

2/17 - 893 reported cases -  5 dead 

2/22 - 1,834 reported cases - 19 dead

2/26 - 3,650 reported cases - 57 dead

2/29 - 7,155 reported cases - 109 dead - USA 68 cases - 1 dead

3/5 - 17,353 reported cases - 344 dead - USA 210 cases - 12 dead

3/9 - 33,303 reported cases - 881 dead - USA 628 cases - 26 dead

3/13 - 64,567 reported cases - 2,239 dead - USA 2,269 cases - 48 dead

3/18 - 138,059 reported cases - 5,715 dead - USA 9,301 cases - 152 dead

3/22 - 255,584 reported cases - 11,350 dead - USA 33,346 cases - 414 dead

3/27 - 514,956 reported cases - 24,048 dead - USA 104,126 cases - 1,695 dead

4/2 - 932,707 reported cases - 49,664 dead - USA  244,320 cases - 5,897 dead 

4/3 - 1,016,190 reported cases - 55,818 dead - USA 276,965 cases - 7,391 dead

4/4 - 1,119,804 reported cases - 61,362 dead - USA 311,357 cases - 8,452 dead

4/5 - 1,191,538 reported cases - 66,105 dead - USA 336,673 cases - 9,616 dead

4/6 - 1,264,826 reported cases - 71,366 dead - USA 367,004 cases - 10,871 dead

4/7 - 1,349,179 reported cases - 78,703 dead - USA 400,335 cases - 12,841 dead

4/8 - 1,435,929 reported cases - 85,121 dead - USA 434,698 cases - 14,787 dead

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-J_vry7rclLIGooJ-Cu7OFH8rRRjB51lz1iGkwcTETc/edit#gid=0

 

[Capella]

My mother (80 years old) gets an infusion once a week at home, due to her lung issues, the guy who treats her told her today that the hospital he works out of is in real good shape, not having any patient issues at all, he was very surprised, said it was pretty much normal.  Not sure where his hospital is located, I know he lives in Naples, my mother lives in Ft. Meyers area.  Anyway, I would have expected Florida to explode also, maybe the temperatures have something to do with it being not as bad. 

My friend works in a Tampa hospital and said as far as he is aware they’ve had no cases. Pretty shocking. 

 

[Capella]

Ordered my first quarantine delivery. Pizza Hut. Pop it in the oven for 5 minutes on 350 good?

Should be 

 

[flranger]

Florida is maybe the most surprising area in the world to be doing well. After Spring Break & then being slow to issue stay at home guidance, I think everyone expected the numbers to explode.

We live outside down here this time of year (honestly all year except July August September).  I would suspect spread via air would be much less likely when people are at the beach or outdoors.

 

[flranger]

Unfortunately this has hit our home

Prayers for you and your wife dmac37.  Thanks for sharing your experiences.

 

[flranger]

Ordered my first quarantine delivery. Pizza Hut. Pop it in the oven for 5 minutes on 350 good?

I did that tonight at 300 but yeah 350 should do it

 

[Don't Noonan]

Unfortunately this has hit our home as I took my wife to the hospital yesterday and she was diagnosed with COVID-19. She has been bed ridden for a week prior to yesterday with a max temp of 101 with no other sure signs of corona but had a horrible day yesterday and our doctor made plans to allow her to be admitted for evaluation. The good news, she has not had shortness of breath and they did not admit her and I brought her home last night.   

I'm 58 and have a pre-existing condition as I had a heart attack last year but consider myself in good health otherwise. My wife has a low immunity system so we have been concerned for both of us with our conditions. I have not felt right for a while but have not had a fever or shortness of breath so I have continued along as business as usual. My personal opinion is with us both being in close quarters we both have had the same virus and now I think we both have had some form of coronavirus.

I guess what my rambling is meant to point out is that this pandemic is extremely unpredictable. Younger people in great shape have died from this and other people like my wife have been able to fight this off and move forward. 

So sorry to hear.  Best wishes to you and your wife.

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

Ordered my first quarantine delivery. Pizza Hut. Pop it in the oven for 5 minutes on 350 good?

Should be 

I mean, it's still Pizza Hut, so "good" subjective.

 

[JbizzleMan]

So it seems the Virus outbreak in NYC was brought in from Europe.

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1248071228520304641?s=20

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Unfortunately this has hit our home as I took my wife to the hospital yesterday and she was diagnosed with COVID-19. She has been bed ridden for a week prior to yesterday with a max temp of 101 with no other sure signs of corona but had a horrible day yesterday and our doctor made plans to allow her to be admitted for evaluation. The good news, she has not had shortness of breath and they did not admit her and I brought her home last night.   

I'm 58 and have a pre-existing condition as I had a heart attack last year but consider myself in good health otherwise. My wife has a low immunity system so we have been concerned for both of us with our conditions. I have not felt right for a while but have not had a fever or shortness of breath so I have continued along as business as usual. My personal opinion is with us both being in close quarters we both have had the same virus and now I think we both have had some form of coronavirus.

I guess what my rambling is meant to point out is that this pandemic is extremely unpredictable. Younger people in great shape have died from this and other people like my wife have been able to fight this off and move forward. 

dmac:  very sorry to hear.   Best wishes for speedy recovery for both of you.   

 

[tri-man 47]

As I'm sure is true for a lot of you, this thing just keeps getting closer and closer.  This week I learned a fraternity brother that lives here in Northern California has it and has been hospitalized, mid-40s.  Was just chatting with him on FB Messenger, he just started antibody therapy and said he's started to improve but that it's done serious damage to his lungs and kidneys.  Also found out yesterday about another fraternity brother who's father in law died from Covid this week.

Yup, closer and closer.  I received near-simultaneous emails a few hours ago.  One was a university announcement that one of our students - an advisee of mine - has lost her brother to Covid.  Her father also has it, but he is starting to improve.  (I knew of her brother's death, but I didn't know the reason.)  The other email was from one of my grad students, letting me know his dad has the virus.  The student and his mom have been tested, but don't know the results yet.

That, on top of the reportings above ...  

 

[shuke]

Ordered my first quarantine delivery. Pizza Hut. Pop it in the oven for 5 minutes on 350 good?

Pizza Hut???

 

[Dan Lambskin]

Pizza Hut???

Better than papa johns.  Don’t think I can rank it above anywhere  else

 

[TheWinz]

Southwestern Connecticut has been hit hard, and it's making it's way across the state now.  According to worldometer, we are 5th in cases and deaths per person, but only 14th in tests per person.  Are the citizens dying before they can even get tested?

 

[skol asylum]

Pizza Hut???

Yeah I know. Has been better actually lately. Tonight not so much. Beats cooking I guess.

 

[Judge Smails]

dmac:  very sorry to hear.   Best wishes for speedy recovery for both of you.   

Same. Be well amigo. As you know DMac we’re in the same exact boat. This thing supposedly attacking the heart has me in boy in the bubble mode. Hope you and you’re wife are 100% soon

 

[krista4]

Pizza Hut???

I'm not proud of this, but a few years ago I had done a particularly grueling all-day hike, and once I got back into civilization the first place I saw was Pizza Hut.  So I got a pizza there...to tide me over until I got to a spot with a decent pizza to be found, where I got a second pizza.  In those circumstances, Pizza Hut is great.

 

[bentley]

For pizza out, it’s Pizza Inn.

 

[dickey moe]

For pizza out, it’s Pizza Inn.

Pizza you, pizza me, pizza everybody!

 

[Penguin]

The Singapore cases the past two days are really concerning.

 

[ProstheticRGK]

Ordered my first quarantine delivery. Pizza Hut. Pop it in the oven for 5 minutes on 350 good?

i’d get tested right now! Clearly, you have lost your sense of taste.

 

[Navin Johnson]

The Singapore cases the past two days are really concerning.

You can artificially slow the rate of transmission all you want.  Sooner or later, I feel, pretty much everyone is going to have to make their way from Susceptible to Infected to Resolved.

 

[Navin Johnson]

All CA  beaches are closed to everyone. Gone is the 6 ft rule. There's no exception or you will have a problem with others saying well he did it. CA is strict which is why we aren't doing as bad, especially for the size of our state.

Not sure this is the case.  You posted this 5 days ago and SC County beaches were just closed as of midnight.

 

[[scooter]]

Why is this true if the numbers are taking such a positive turn?

Because this is so dispersed that any human gatherings will cause a large resurgence.  To wit - that 16 person outbreak from 1 family party in Chicago.  Or the huge outbreak in Korea from that religious gathering.  

We are going to have a really hard time opening this back up.  WSJ article.

Oregon's governor stated that she didn't want to lift the lockdown until we'd gone 10-14 days without any new deaths. That doesn't sound very realistic to me, let alone pragmatic.

 

[msommer]

So it seems the Virus outbreak in NYC was brought in from Europe.

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1248071228520304641?s=20

Austria, Italy, France and Spain were all very slow to move. The first three had serious hotspotsevolving in the skiing area and as for Spain Madrid is worst hit. So, most likely a tourist (or a bunch of them) coming back to or going to NYC

 

[eoMMan]

Better than papa johns.  Don’t think I can rank it above anywhere  else

Yup. Pizza hut's pan pizza with sausage on it is pretty solid.

 

[eoMMan]

My mother (80 years old) gets an infusion once a week at home, due to her lung issues, the guy who treats her told her today that the hospital he works out of is in real good shape, not having any patient issues at all, he was very surprised, said it was pretty much normal.  Not sure where his hospital is located, I know he lives in Naples, my mother lives in Ft. Meyers area.  Anyway, I would have expected Florida to explode also, maybe the temperatures have something to do with it being not as bad. 

I saw a report that Lee County (where Fort Myers is) had something like 53% of their hospital beds occupied. 

They definitely have some space if a small outbreak of cases pop up.

 

[msommer]

Home update, both my father (88) and his GF (81) as well as her daughter (62-63) beat covid-19.
I may have too although I was never tested and only had mild symptoms (fever and cough - don't think it was the regular flu as I had that in early Feb for the first time in 15 years or so). No antibody test available here so I can't be sure but I'll be pissed if I get it (again?) in the fall  

 

[Dezbelief]

The Singapore cases the past two days are really concerning.

You can artificially slow the rate of transmission all you want.  Sooner or later, I feel, pretty much everyone is going to have to make their way from Susceptible to Infected to Resolved.

RIP to the resolved cases in the death column. I am doing my best to be infected later vs sooner. 

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Florida new cases and deaths by day

4/3 - 1260 , 26

4/4 - 1277,  25

4/5-  805,  26

4/6 - 1279, 33

4/7 - 1118, 42

4/8 - 951,  27

Florida has been passed by Pennsylvania in both total cases and active cases. Pennsylvania, after a couple of very bad days, has slightly fewer deaths than Florida.

Philly area will peak soon. Case doubling has extended a bit and the hospitals seem to be prepared as best they can. I am in Chester Co. and we now have 370 cases here. It took seven days to double to that count. 

 

[rockaction]

Home update, both my father (88) and his GF (81) as well as her daughter (62-63) beat covid-19.
I may have too although I was never tested and only had mild symptoms (fever and cough - don't think it was the regular flu as I had that in early Feb for the first time in 15 years or so). No antibody test available here so I can't be sure but I'll be pissed if I get it (again?) in the fall  

Good to hear msommer. That's some good news right there. 

 

[beer 30]

I think we give the CDC and the WHO way too much grief.  This was a virus that would have killed millions and their efforts have convinced the world to quarantine.  They don’t have powers to snap their fingers and make this go away.  They sounded the alarms and people listened.  

For the most part, we have avoided the worst (from a virus scenario) because of the quarantines.

I imagine both organizations have learned a lot over the past two months.  Pandemic plans don’t smoothly roll out into the real world.  Literally no one that works for either organization has ever dealt with a worldwide pandemic like this.  So for my part, hats off to both orgs.

The danger comes if people decide to stop listening to them.  

Your opinion, all good with everything except the bolded. To me, dealing with a worldwide pandemic is core to what both organizations do. Plans don't roll out smoothly because they half ### it and don't practice & prepare for it. We've had plenty of dry runs at this in the last couple of decades and when this kicked off it had a Keystone cops feel to the directives being issued by organizations.

What's the worse thing that comes out of this? Because of the missteps, perceived or otherwise, the next time this rolls around, how many people don't buy into the advice from the two organizations the world turns to when because they stumbled out of the blocks on this one? Yes, I know you said that in your last sentence.

At least the WHO showed up with a test that worked.  CDC refused to use the WHO test and insisted on developing their own which didn't work.  CDC gets an F minus.  WHO gets like a C.  

I've said a few times that we need to work through this thing and get to a point were we all back to work and living a new normal. When that occurs, there will be multiple investigations into an awful lot of the decisions made by these organizations, governments and individuals. Not saying it's right but our litigious society isn't going to let this one go without a slew of lawsuits/investigations.

 

[beer 30]

Dr. Drew Apologizes for Widely Shared Claim That Coronavirus Was ‘Press-Induced Panic’

#### you hack

 

[Soulfly3]

I know it's very early and I have zero qualification to say something has peaked or not... But I couldnt be happier with the numbers in Canada to date, and fingers crossed they don't change for the worse.

HIghest death tally was Apr 2 w 59 deaths, followed by 35 and 23, and now a spike again back up to a high of 58 and yesterday down to 46

"Only" 435 deaths reported to date. Population of only 40m, but it is very densely populated in very little of the country. 

Blessings to all. I hope this is over soon for all of us. Starting to eat away at me too, and I couldnt bring myself to look at Canada's numbers for well over a week, as I didnt want to face it.  I've also been trying to avoid this thread as much as possible. Decided today was the day Id check the #s, and it was the first half-smile Ive had on my face in a while. The term "smile" used very, very lightly.

Stay safe and may we all escape unscathed.

 

[rockaction]

Stay safe and may we all escape unscathed.

Good post, brother. You too.

 

[Navin Johnson]

Dr. Drew Apologizes for Widely Shared Claim That Coronavirus Was ‘Press-Induced Panic’

#### you hack

Dude is scrubbing the web of his shenanigans and threatening 'copywrite' action to anyone still posting excerpts.  

 

[gump]

So it seems the Virus outbreak in NYC was brought in from Europe.

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1248071228520304641?s=20

I guess the point is the travel banned countries should have included Europe? It may have come directly from there, but that still came from Asia originally?