Don't Noonan
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What do you want Ducey to do? I live in AZ and I don't want to see the state shut down again.
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Footballguy
I bet a lot of people don’t want to die.
You may survive another month eating snacks and watching Netflix
Arizona getting hammered right now. If you wanna see the numbers, check here... https://www.azdhs.gov/preparedness/epidemiology-disease-control/infectious-disease-epidemiology/covid-19/dashboards/index.php
Agreed. Been doing take out since the beginning. I was a bit more worried about wiping stuff down early on, but I remember some of the horror stories about buying things at the grocery store and five step cleansing routines. We’ve done 3 dine ins. Two while at the beach for Memorial Day and once last weekend. I have sanitizer in every car and use masks every time I go in a store but I couldn’t imagine not having picked up any food in 3 months. I’ve been very careful overall but I can’t live in a cocoon. It’ll be interesting on our annual Hilton Head trip with 3 other families but we need it and it’s a pretty private beach we rent out a house on the beach. I didn’t really feel comfortable being at a hotel on Memorial Day but my wife and boys wanted it and we had no issues. This will be a thousand times easier as we’re bringing food and we’ll just do takeout and when we are at the house we’ll have no other contact and all four families have been good. I’ll likely be the most anal but being right on the beach makes me feel way better.
The Commish
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jamny
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Clicking on Hospitalization shows a steady decrease since June 2nd.
Clicking on Covid19 Deaths shows a steady decrease since May 28th.
culdeus
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Arizona looks like our test case for what happens if you don't re close if hospitals fill up. Alabama might be next.
I'm squinting at the state data and not really seeing what the third most likely state to max will be. Might be some regionally that struggle.
If these two don't ultimately max out I feel like it's a huge step forward.
I'm squinting at the state data and not really seeing what the third most likely state to max will be. Might be some regionally that struggle.
If these two don't ultimately max out I feel like it's a huge step forward.
Redwes25
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Require masks in all public and private locations and stop dining and bars. It sucks but it needs to be done. This thing spreads like crazy and new cases are a lagging indicator. Having watched what it does here in NY, it is hard to watch others not take it seriously.
Do we have a break down in numbers for Phoenix metro area? Latest I saw was Monday numbers and they were heavily focused there. To be honest, I am much more concerned with LA and Phoenix then Florida and Texas. You see how those numbers are increasing you realize it is not as bad as metro areas of LA and Phoenix, which look like they will be another NYC.
CR69
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They post a report Monday through Friday on their website. It goes through the previous day. Scroll down to the middle of the page below and click on "See State Report"
https://floridahealthcovid19.gov/
Don't Noonan
Footballguy
I am not sure you can require people to wear masks. Perhaps businesses can for entry but I don't think the Governor can mandate it.
Don't Noonan
Footballguy
You bet a lot of people don't want to die? Way to take a wild leap of faith! Of course not. However, those folks that are scared like you can remain in their house.
Grace Under Pressure
Footballguy
Masks in public 100% of the time. Close bars and in-dining restaurants for 30 days.
My Dad lives in AZ and I lived there for 20 years. So I sympathize with your point, but AZ residents need to understand they didn't handle this properly. They never really shut down, opened up too soon, and now the healthcare system is in danger of being overwhelmed. The next step is refrigerated tractor trailers that will hold the dead because hospitals and morgues will be full.
The virus is always someone else's problem until it isn't.
Grace Under Pressure
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This is not directed at you personally. But the attitudes need to change regarding mitigating the virus. It isn't about "freedoms". Masks work and they should absolutely be mandated.
Redwes25
Footballguy
You see near 100% compliance in NY and they are required anytime outside your home when you can't maintain 6 feet distance.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Garrett_Archer/status/1273640783178915841
Their website doesn’t work well on my phone, so I don’t know if you are talking total hospitalizations or COVID hospitalizations. The account I linked to is the data guy at one to the news stations and uses the data from that site. His data shows record highs in total ICU and vents in use. Total acute bed use is down but acute beds for COVID is at record highs as are ICU and emergency use for COVID patients. So not sure what part of hospitalizations shoe steady decrease.
Don't Noonan
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AZ did shut down. Full stop. Deaths and hospitalization are on the decline.
Don't Noonan
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Disagree on mandate. However I agree they work and I wear one whenever I go out in public.
He can mandate it but left it up to the cities. Several of the major city have already said they’re gonna put a mandate in place.
Grace Under Pressure
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Just want to highlight that I am rooting hard for this, and apologies if it came off otherwise. The virus is no joke. I saw in another post you mentioned that you are wearing a mask in public. You are doing the right thing and literally saving lives, so thank you for that on behalf of my 71 year old Dad in Chandler.
If you click on the "Hospital Bed Usage & Availability" and "Ventilator Usage & Availability" buttons, they tell a different story.
the rover
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This is absolutely false
“Emergency department visits and counts of inpatient beds, ICU beds and ventilators in use for suspected and confirmed COVID-19 patients hit their highest-ever numbers Tuesday, according to hospital data.”
culdeus
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No. No, and no. Keep the fake news to the other forum.
https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1273047315121606661?s=09
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There are certain viewpoints that twist the numbers to fit agendas. Always be cautious of them.
If cases are rising, "yeah but how many tests".
If hospitalizations and deaths start rising, they will ridicule those, say they are fake, claim conspiracies, say the flu has more deaths, etc, etc.
The reason I know this is that we just went through this 2 months ago.
The idea that a 2nd wave isn't going to happen in a country that is opening up is sheer idiocy. It's 100% coming. Not everywhere, not quickly, not with the same speed as before, but it is coming. Every scientist and epidemiologist I've listened to is worried about it.
The ONLY people that aren't worried about it are a specific group of people that all have similar beliefs, but about which I cannot speak in this forum.
As states are trying to open up, it seems like important numbers would be ICU and bed availability percentages. Here are the 5 worst and best in each category:
ICU - Worst - AL (21%), FL (26%), GA (27%), AZ, MD, RI (28%)
ICU - Best - ND (68%), OH (61%), NJ (60%), WI (59%), VT (56%)
Beds - Worst - RI (18%), MD (22%), NV (30%), MA (31%), AL (32%)
Beds - Best - WY (58%), ID (57%), ND (56%), KS, WI (53%)
Alabama has been getting recognition as a state in need, but MD & RI are on both worst lists and I haven't much much about them.
ICU - Worst - AL (21%), FL (26%), GA (27%), AZ, MD, RI (28%)
ICU - Best - ND (68%), OH (61%), NJ (60%), WI (59%), VT (56%)
Beds - Worst - RI (18%), MD (22%), NV (30%), MA (31%), AL (32%)
Beds - Best - WY (58%), ID (57%), ND (56%), KS, WI (53%)
Alabama has been getting recognition as a state in need, but MD & RI are on both worst lists and I haven't much much about them.
nirad3
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God I hope he's off here. I will be the first to admit I'm being short-sighted about it all by saying this, but I will absolutely lose my ish if there's no football this year. It's been one thing to have lost March Madness and waiting on basketball to return (if it even does), but if we were to lose football on top of everything else I don't know where my mind will go. We absolutely need distractions and hobbies.Fauci says likely no football this year
"it would be very hard to see how football is able to be played this fall"
Don't Noonan
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nirad3
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I think he's clearly an intelligent guy with plenty of background on the subject, but I fear he's been steered by "forces unknown" too many times to know if what he's saying is legit or just where these "forces" wish things to be steered.
Edit: Or heck, maybe these "forces" are known. I'm just unsure as to who to believe these days. :(
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The Commish
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Thanks! It used to be right on the dashboard as a tab....guess it was too easy to get to there 
beer 30
Footballguy
First month we didn't do take out but restaurants were closed for a good bit of it. Been doing take out since May with no worries. Again, restaurants are just opening up to dine-in here in SC so a little more nervous when I walk in and the only people wearing a mask are me & the workers. I sanitize after leaving, wash hands thoroughly when I get home and eat in peace.
So many people saying second wave, and there well might be a few areas of the country that can claim this but 90% are still firmly imbedded in the first wave. Don't kid yourself.
The Commish
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Every state (some punt to local municipalities) has laws about shirts/shoes, but somehow we can't have one for masks? Really? Come on! Of course we can. It just takes the will to do the correct thing. The politicizing of masks might be the dumbest, most short sighted thing I've seen in politics ever.
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This was the link posted earlier.
https://www.azdhs.gov/preparedness/epidemiology-disease-control/infectious-disease-epidemiology/covid-19/dashboards/index.php
Something seems off there, though. "Hospitalizations" shows a steady decline, but all other pages related to hospitalizations show steady increases. Something on the hospitalizations and deaths pages seems out of whack with the rest.
need2know
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he will probably say the opposite next week. the guy is a clownFauci says likely no football this year
"it would be very hard to see how football is able to be played this fall"
Don't Noonan
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Deaths have decreased, that’s not an error and is not unexpected. Hospitalizations, I have no clue about. The only category that shows any decline is overall hospitalization which has decreased while COVID hospitalizations have increased. That’s likely an indicator that they are opening up beds for COVID patients.
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https://twitter.com/cagovernor/status/1273694391543054336?s=21
NEW: Californians are now required to wear face coverings in public spaces - particularly indoors or when physical distancing is not possible.
NEW: Californians are now required to wear face coverings in public spaces - particularly indoors or when physical distancing is not possible.
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nirad3
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Most places here were already like this. But they just reopened bars/restaurants (where masks obviously can't be worn), sooo not sure how that all works out.https://twitter.com/cagovernor/status/1273694391543054336?s=21
NEW: Californians are now required to wear face coverings in public spaces - particularly indoors or when physical distancing is not possible.
I'm fine with wearing my mask indoors. Have been for awhile now.
skol asylum
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You don't have to shut everything down but you can step up and require masks and other safety measures. You can certainly shut down things like bars. I'm sorry but they aren't smart to be open in a pandemic. Give financial assistance if necessary. Do agressive testing and contact tracing. Enter into agreements with hotels to temporarily house non-serious Covid patients. Stop playing games with reporting of data and burying the truth. It's not just a matter of more testing being done. We've got a problem. Not sure how accurate but I saw one chart that said AZ leads the world, not the US, the WORLD in per capita case rates.Don't Noonan said:
That last statement is probably not accurate. It was a chart where AZ was at the top but may not have had ALL the hotspots in it.
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jamny
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Dezbelief
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Isn't Austin where a judge earlier this week issued an order requiring masks in public defying Abbott's executive order last month? Or was it Houston?
You do realize that masks protect OTHERS from you far more then you from others, right?Don't Noonan said:
So YES, they are well within the margin of what our government SHOULD be able to mandate during a crisis. Unless you're also one of those whackjobs who thinks drivers licenses and motor vehicle liability insurance are also outside the scope...in which case we have no common ground at all from which to communicate.
I've been a bit busy lately to poke my head into these threads. I'm an ICU RN and have seen plenty of COVID first hand. It's amazing how long a COVID patient can remain ill, and how incredibly sick they can become. The overwhelming majority of deaths are older sickly people to begin with, but I've seen more then a few fairly healthy 30, 40 year olds spend 2 weeks plus on a vent and a couple end up with a trach heading to weeks of rehab. Kind of scary.
But here's the problem many people have lost sight of in this as we start to open back up a little. Social distancing, masks, etc....were NEVER going to beat this. It was already too widespread, and too contagious to work. 40-60% of us were going to catch it no matter what we did. The draconion measures we took were to FLATTEN THE CURVE, not eliminate the bug. They worked...in most places, health care facilities weren't over-run, and we've allowed the supply chain to pick up a little on critical gear. But unless we want to spend another year in full isolation with most businesses closed down, we're still gonna have to go through the pain....we're still going to have 3, 4, maybe 12 or 14 hundred thousand die. There's no easy answers there.
Opening most things up but requiring masks almost everywhere is the logical step to take IMO....and cases will stay steady or rise slightly in most areas...but that's kind of the point! YES>>>PEOPLE WILL GET SICK AND DIE! But people were going to get sick and die anyway, we cant stop that. We just need to find the sweet spot where our facilities can keep up well enough to save those they can save (IE: actually have ICU beds and vents and enough staff to work them) while allowing this thing to work it's way through us so we can get to the other side and get back to a normal life. Not an easy thing to do, and not easy decisions for our leaders to make, so I really think we need to keep that in mind as we talk about it.
But here's the problem many people have lost sight of in this as we start to open back up a little. Social distancing, masks, etc....were NEVER going to beat this. It was already too widespread, and too contagious to work. 40-60% of us were going to catch it no matter what we did. The draconion measures we took were to FLATTEN THE CURVE, not eliminate the bug. They worked...in most places, health care facilities weren't over-run, and we've allowed the supply chain to pick up a little on critical gear. But unless we want to spend another year in full isolation with most businesses closed down, we're still gonna have to go through the pain....we're still going to have 3, 4, maybe 12 or 14 hundred thousand die. There's no easy answers there.
Opening most things up but requiring masks almost everywhere is the logical step to take IMO....and cases will stay steady or rise slightly in most areas...but that's kind of the point! YES>>>PEOPLE WILL GET SICK AND DIE! But people were going to get sick and die anyway, we cant stop that. We just need to find the sweet spot where our facilities can keep up well enough to save those they can save (IE: actually have ICU beds and vents and enough staff to work them) while allowing this thing to work it's way through us so we can get to the other side and get back to a normal life. Not an easy thing to do, and not easy decisions for our leaders to make, so I really think we need to keep that in mind as we talk about it.
I wish we didn’t have to but it seems like the only way to get people to wear masks. My store today has been good with masks, almost shutdown good, but we’ve always been much better than other places.
The Commish
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Wait!! What?? Really?!?!?!?! Making the impossible possible?!?!?! Good on them!shader said:
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