DJackson10
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My GF got Vaccinated and now can't have abortions
My friend got Vaxxxed and Got a free gun
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*** OFFICIAL *** COVID-19 CoronaVirus Thread. Fresh epidemic fears as child pneumonia cases surge in Europe after China outbreak. NOW in USA (6 Viewers)
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My friend got Vaxxxed and Got a free gun
DJackson10
Footballguy
I know at least 4 and 1 was the client of my Dad who's property he's been dealing with now
DJackson10
Footballguy
Covid has been around for yrs though too. SARS is it's cousin. See how your point is pretty dumb.
DJackson10
Footballguy
Socialism really sucks
We should get rid of the following then
Police
Fire Department
Trash Pick up
Road workers etc
These are all scary socialism ideas
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
DJackson10
Footballguy
I go back to arguing but do you know whats in your fast food you shove down your throats or that coke you drink can be used to effectively clean a toilet? Something you drink shouldn't also be able to be used to clean a toilet well btw. The approved things in some of this fast food had friends of mine in college from other countries shocked. I got comments "No wonder American's are so fat' "No wonder your health system sucks if they approve putting that in your food." "That's illegal in my country to do that. A company owner went to jail when our government found he was using that in his food and lost his company."
They got zero issues inhaling the toxics of these fast food they know nothing about the ingredients in them and if they do don't even know or understand long term negative health risk. But they will gleefully brag how they won't take a vaccine because "they don't know whats in it" despite that it's written out and explained on the form you fill out.
I actually just saw an article where a DR in Louisiana just said his hospital will start only treating covid patients on a case by case bases and will be taking into account if the person got vaccinated or not along with if they couldn't for health risk or didn't do it for sear ignorance. This was said to help keep beds readily available. I wish most hospitals in the US did this now though no matter what. Why should I be paying into a healthcare system for people being ignorant to be treated? It's the old saying "play stupid games, win stupid prizes."
DJackson10
Footballguy
That sort of thing just has me questioning our education system more and more every day. But I'm so glad the Karens and kens are getting exposed and most helped accountable like losing their wonderful jobs and seeing them cry about it and try to play a victim.
DJackson10
Footballguy
The overreactions by people on this is what gets me. My Brother is a date analysis on these vaccines and other stuff. Basically goes through the data he has from the companies already on whatever it is and his company either approves further testing or gives them the ok to take it to the next step. Just because X happens now doesn't mean thats gonna be unsafe for everyone in the future. As more data is taken in the easier it becomes to predict how common something is.
This is simple statistics
DJackson10
Footballguy
Yeah not surprised. Ive seen numerious people with knee jerk reactions to this. I'd kill for a job that pays me that a year if I didn't want to get Vaxxed I would for that money.Courtjester said:owever, to show you the mindset I am dealing with, my one sister has already announced she is going to walk away from her $100,000 a year job if they institute a vaccine policy at her workplace.
Doug B
Footballguy
Courtjester
The Town Drunk
I will give you an update I love my sister but she has gone off the deep end and taken a big chunk of my family with her.
Unfortunately it’s likely that we’re going to see a repeat of last year. Big states in the South (FL, TX, AZ, etc) hit first then Delta’s next stop is small town Midwest. It seems to take longer for COVID to get there but the low vaccination rates in small, rural towns will crush entire communities and hospitals.
worrierking
Footballguy
Louisiana has definitely peaked. The big concern is the schools now. The only age group increasing in cases is 5-17. Overall, it appears the state peaked between August 2 and 9.
top dog
Footballguy
Just wanted to update on my friend who died from COVID just over a week ago. His 16 year old son started his first varsity football game at tailback and proceeded to score 2 touchdowns, a 2 point conversion and gained 122 yards in a comeback victory while dedicating the game to his father (52 years old, NAVY veteran, WORKOUT FREAK, great shape). His son was pretty emotional after the game but it was an awesome thing. The outflowing support from the community for this family has been awesome to witness.
Sorry to interrupt the "Is COVID Real?" and "Do masks REALLY work?" discussions AGAIN.. Please resume your regularly scheduled bickering.
Sorry to interrupt the "Is COVID Real?" and "Do masks REALLY work?" discussions AGAIN.. Please resume your regularly scheduled bickering.
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ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
Ah man, that’s really bittersweet. Thanks for sharing. All the best to you and your friend’s family
FairWarning
Footballguy
It’s hitting here now in small town America. Three people in our company, one guy is quitting this week after 28 years, now has Covid. I sure hear a lot from anti-vaxxers and their rights - what about the people who had a vax, when do their rights kick in?
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
My apologies for being so glib. It’s easy for us to make broad generalizations about anti-vaxxers, but you have to deal with it in your day-to-day life, and I can imagine how tough that must be.
My brother and I don’t see eye to eye politically, but he’s a really smart guy and I’m thankful that he and my SIL got vaccinated relatively early. I have so much sympathy for people whose families have been divided over this issue
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
I agree. But even if we're wrong, that's okay. I'll freely admit that anybody willing to walk away from a six-figure job over a vaccine requirement is simply unreachable, and there's no way we were ever getting that person vaccinated short of physically holding them down while somebody administers a shot. I can live with that. These folks are on their own, they're paying a massive price for their own decision (the externality is effectively internalized), and 99% vaccination is good enough.
beer 30
Footballguy
The freedom to chose your path in the God Bless the US of A!!! I love it!!!Courtjester said:I told my mom that the family is not going to take it seriously until one of them gets it and is really, really sick or dies. Maybe the light would go on then. However, to show you the mindset I am dealing with, my one sister has already announced she is going to walk away from her $100,000 a year job if they institute a vaccine policy at her workplace.
Nathan R. Jessep
Footballguy
Here's the thing though that has to be considered. It's still very regional. Last week when we had the first day in a few weeks where statewide hospitalizations went down for the first time in the last month, which is great of course, but my region was meanwhile setting the all-time high for hospitalizations over the entire pandemic, where it has remained with only a slight wiggle in the numbers. And schools are open as you know now and I fear things are about to ramp up even more.
skol asylum
Footballguy
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMRjbyGHd/
Wow. Great take on masks and spin from a certain network. We really should put a stop to outright lies being pushed as factual news
Wow. Great take on masks and spin from a certain network. We really should put a stop to outright lies being pushed as factual news
skol asylum
Footballguy
Courtjester said:The holidays are right around the corner and I am dreading it. With the exception of one sister who doesn't live here, my entire family is anti-vax. We are talking 20-25 people counting nieces, nephews, etc that all live here. My mom is 86 and got her vaccine. Several members of the family are putting pressure on her to come out to their houses for birthdays and different holidays. I have already made it clear that my family will not be attending anything--we all got the vaccine. I have avoided offering to my mom that she could have Thanksgiving with my family because i don't want her to feel like she has to choose between her kids. The same with Christmas and probably Easter.
The problem I see coming is this is our 17 year old daughter's Senior year and we are already looking for venues to hold the graduation party. I am going to look like a complete hypocrite for sending invites to a party, when in fact I am not willing to attend their celebrations.
I have started trying to bribe my daughter about maybe we could forego the party and take the 2K as a down payment on a trip somewhere fun, but my wife is not having it because she believes in tradition and we gave our other daughter a nice party, so we have to do the same here. We have started looking at outdoor venues, but June in Colorado is really unpredictable. On the day of our oldest daughter's grad party, we had a tornado watch and massive hail. .
I told my mom that the family is not going to take it seriously until one of them gets it and is really, really sick or dies. Maybe the light would go on then. However, to show you the mindset I am dealing with, my one sister has already announced she is going to walk away from her $100,000 a year job if they institute a vaccine policy at her workplace.
That's rough. Even rougher when it's family.
gianmarco
Footballguy
Vaccinations
Remarkable data from @COVIDSciOntario
There aren’t many things in medicine that reduce the risk of requiring life support in the ICU by 98.6%, but being fully vaccinated is one of them.
Remarkable data from @COVIDSciOntario
There aren’t many things in medicine that reduce the risk of requiring life support in the ICU by 98.6%, but being fully vaccinated is one of them.
My mom and son (19) both tested positive for Covid over the weekend, both vaccinated. my mom said she thought she had the flu and has been laid out for almost a week but on the better side of recover now. my son only had mild symptoms and is pretty much fine, i’m glad they both were vaccinated.
DJackson10
Footballguy
This is no different then the anti flag protest argument by them or the protesting and rioting from Alt right groups like Proud Boys, the Jan 6th insurrection etc. They are simple do as I say not as I do. I want to use my Constitutional rights but you can't if they don't align with ours. The sad thing is many of these people claim to be constitutionalists, yet trample on others rights daily. It's I got mine I don't care about yours if it is different from me.
This is why I really love my one friend who is ex military. There are things in politics we don't agree on but we are respectful of it. He doesn't like the Anthem protests but agrees people have a right to do so if they chose. "It's the very reason I joined and fought for my country so people can do this even if I don't agree with someone else's opinion on it." I've heard him say. Unfortunately not a lot of people who are in LEO or Military will agree with him or see it that way.
DJackson10
Footballguy
Yeah I've seen a lot of these people talk big but then don't follow through. I remember the anthem protest and my Wall was filled with Friends claiming to boycott the NFL and other sports. Minute the Eagles were SB bound many of these same people went back to cheering. It was fun because myself and a few others screens shot some of their responses from when they claimed not to follow X sport. The back tracking by these people was super entertaining and calling them out was much amusing. I think the best was making them realize that now anything they say or threaten we told them we won't take you literally and you lost any credibility you had with us now.
I think what really needs to happen is people start screen shorting and recording convos then when they do the complete opposite you can throw it back at them. When they try to deny it you just bring up the recorded convo or the screen shot and enjoy the show
DJackson10
Footballguy
Stations like Fox and other networks that push outright lies need to be held accountable. THat's tricky with Freedom of press and all. Social media networks can do as they want as they are private companies which I think would help by deleting content that is outright lies by these networks but also banning those who outright keep breaking the rules.
I'm not just saying this for right wing content but theres been numerious times Liberal content has out and out lied too on issues and not this specific thread topic.
DJackson10
Footballguy
That's rough. Even rougher when it's family.
My family has a no political talk during holiday gatherings rule. You break that rule and my grandmother literally tells you to go outside for 15 min timeout. Not joking either.
The Commish
Footballguy
Hang in there GB. The best is yet to come. Just wait until one of them (or several of them) are in the hospital because of COVID unconvinced it is COVID. Your family sounds similar to my extended family of which two were hospitalized and a half dozen don't believe it was even COVID they had, despite what the tests said. It was a miracle to get them to even go get tested.Courtjester said:The holidays are right around the corner and I am dreading it. With the exception of one sister who doesn't live here, my entire family is anti-vax. We are talking 20-25 people counting nieces, nephews, etc that all live here. My mom is 86 and got her vaccine. Several members of the family are putting pressure on her to come out to their houses for birthdays and different holidays. I have already made it clear that my family will not be attending anything--we all got the vaccine. I have avoided offering to my mom that she could have Thanksgiving with my family because i don't want her to feel like she has to choose between her kids. The same with Christmas and probably Easter.
The problem I see coming is this is our 17 year old daughter's Senior year and we are already looking for venues to hold the graduation party. I am going to look like a complete hypocrite for sending invites to a party, when in fact I am not willing to attend their celebrations.
I have started trying to bribe my daughter about maybe we could forego the party and take the 2K as a down payment on a trip somewhere fun, but my wife is not having it because she believes in tradition and we gave our other daughter a nice party, so we have to do the same here. We have started looking at outdoor venues, but June in Colorado is really unpredictable. On the day of our oldest daughter's grad party, we had a tornado watch and massive hail. .
I told my mom that the family is not going to take it seriously until one of them gets it and is really, really sick or dies. Maybe the light would go on then. However, to show you the mindset I am dealing with, my one sister has already announced she is going to walk away from her $100,000 a year job if they institute a vaccine policy at her workplace.
Nathan R. Jessep
Footballguy
Ivermectin for Covid-19: abundance of hype, dearth of evidence a couple of things in here that I didn't know about it.
my nuggets of interest:
my nuggets of interest:
- ivermectin developers were awarded a Nobel Prize in 2015 for the drug’s success in combatting river blindness and other tropical maladies (and is highly effective in killing parasite larvae in humans, and of course has a veterinarian class for animals)
- Dr. Pierre Kory, in his testimony to U.S. Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee in December 2020, cited several non-randomized observational studies, in which patients can receive non-standardized treatments, as well as many poor-quality controlled trials, but effectively hailed it as a "miracle drug"
- One key study he referred to out of Egypt, was found by more than one peer to be full of plagiarism and data fabrication. That study has since been retracted
- One of the Australian epidemiologists who peer-reviewed said study: "If you remove this one study from the scientific literature, most meta-analyses that have found positive results would have their conclusions entirely reversed."
- A group called the Cochrane Collaboration spends its time conducting meta-analyses of the best-conducted clinical trials. After excluding dozens of ivermectin studies with “high risk of bias,” the collaboration left little room for optimism
- The World Health Organization and the Infectious Diseases Society of America concur. Even Merck, an ivermectin manufacturer, avers that there is “no meaningful evidence for clinical activity or efficacy in patients with Covid-19.” And just last weekend the FDA warned people not to use the drug as a treatment for Covid-19.
- The University of Oxford’s rigorously designed PRINCIPLE trial is now trying to determine if ivermectin actually benefits people with Covid-19.
Nathan R. Jessep
Footballguy
How Pfizer named it's vaccine
https://www.fiercepharma.com/marketing/pfizer-biontech-select-comirnaty-as-brand-name-for-covid-19-vaccine
“The name is coined from Covid-19 immunity, and then embeds the mRNA in the middle, which is the platform technology, and as a whole the name is meant to evoke the word community,” Scott Piergrossi, Brand Institute president of operations and communications, said.
They were all fairly terrible IMO
I give the win to Team Moderna on the naming war:
And for Team J&J here you go. Yikes, some of these don't exactly roll off the tongue:
https://www.fiercepharma.com/marketing/pfizer-biontech-select-comirnaty-as-brand-name-for-covid-19-vaccine
“The name is coined from Covid-19 immunity, and then embeds the mRNA in the middle, which is the platform technology, and as a whole the name is meant to evoke the word community,” Scott Piergrossi, Brand Institute president of operations and communications, said.
The goal in naming drugs is to overlap ideas and layer meaning into a name, he said. In this case, the high-priority concepts the teams started with were COVID immunization and the mRNA technology. The clients themselves came up with community as an image and association they wanted to elicit, Piergrossi said.
So that’s the Co- prefix, followed by the mRNA in the middle, and ending with the -ty suffix, which nods to both community and immunity. Plus, community and immunity are conceptually mnemonic across the entire name.
...
Of course, Comirnaty was not the only name BioNTech and Pfizer considered. The list of also-rans include Covuity, RnaxCovi, Kovimerna—all names BioNTech filed in June with the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office. Another possible, RNXtract, was filed in August
They were all fairly terrible IMO
I give the win to Team Moderna on the naming war:Moderna’s trademark requests include Spykevax, filed in September, and Spikevax, submitted in October. Earlier filings with the trademark office include Mnravax and Mvax—both filed in January—along with Covid Mvax and Covidvax in April.
And for Team J&J here you go. Yikes, some of these don't exactly roll off the tongue:
J&J, on the other hand, filed for a handful of likely candidates—Rezymnav, Rezymden, Fampelsen, Aqcovsen, Evcoyan, Abfivden, Jcovden, Ovcinden and Jcovav—as vaccine trademarks on Oct. 9.
Desert_Power
Footballguy
Sounds like MagaVax is still available as a trademark.
Nathan R. Jessep
Footballguy
Role in the transmission chain: Vaccinated vs. unvaccinated
nuggets of interest:
nuggets of interest:
- 4 things continue to be proven by more data coming in:
- Vaccines continue to protect amazingly against hospitalization and death. See, yet another, study that came out yesterday here;
- Efficacy against mild and moderate disease is reduced. This could be from Delta or waning immunity or both. This is why we eventually need the third dose;
- Viral load among vaccinated is the same as unvaccinated;
- …in the first six days. Then the vaccine kicks in and there’s a far faster decline in the load than among unvaccinated.
- If the Delta viral load is the same among vaccinated compared to unvaccinated, are vaccinated contagious? In other words, are vaccinated now part of the transmission chain? Because they weren’t before Delta. --> Viral load doesn’t necessarily mean contagiousness.
- a positive test (i.e. high viral load) does not tell the difference between viable and nonviable virus (or contagious or non-contagious virus). In other words, a positive test does not necessarily indicate that a person is infectious.
- To test that, a recent lab study (“viral viability through replication in cell culture”) studied 161 breakthrough cases among healthcare workers (HCWs) in the Netherlands. The average age of the HCWs was 25.5 years and all infections were mild and did not require hospital admission
- Among their findings were that viral load was the same with vaccinated compared to the unvaccinated samples, confirming earlier findings on that part.
- 7 out of 10 (68.6%) vaccinated HCWs were positive for infectious virus compared to 8.5 out of 10 (84.9%) unvaccinated HCWs were positive for infectious virus. This tells us that if you’re vaccinated and you come in contact with the virus, you’ll likely to be less contagious than unvaccinated people. But not all the time.
- Bottom Line: Vaccines continue to help on the individual-level: they keep you out of the hospital. They also continue to help on a population-level: You play less of a role in the transmission chain than unvaccinated. If and when a vaccinated person is contagious, it’s for less amount of time compared to unvaccinated (6 days vs. 18 days). This will no doubt help end the pandemic. But, even given this, we all still need to wear our masks to stop transmission at every corner.
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Doug B
Footballguy
Thank you for this. It's been hard to counter "vaccinated=unvaccinated". Most people don't understand the science deeply enough -- only at a superficial level. Too many believe "can transmit" = "does trasmit, all the time, in big numbers!"
Maggot Brain
Footballguy
beer 30
Footballguy
In case you missed it. This is the kind of out of the box thinking that will get us through this pandemic.
https://twitter.com/RealCandaceO/status/1430562201052618752?s=20
https://twitter.com/RealCandaceO/status/1430562201052618752?s=20
MTskibum
Footballguy
Below is the EPI curve verse deaths for fort bend county, Texas. I am unsure of our current vaccination rate, however a month ago we were leading the state with a 66% vaccination rate.
https://imgur.com/lFPkX1V
https://fort-bend-covid-19-response-fbc-hhs.hub.arcgis.com/
https://imgur.com/lFPkX1V
https://fort-bend-covid-19-response-fbc-hhs.hub.arcgis.com/
FairWarning
Footballguy
The reason I brought it up is I work in a very small business - 3 workers and the owner. Well, one now has Covid and the owner wants to stay away so he doesn’t get it. That leaves 2 people, are we expected to do everything? The other two didn’t get a vax based on their rights. I consider it like smoking where ones actions affect others.
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Um... If 1 of the 4 people is going to "stay away", and I'm just spitballing here, maybe the one should be the person with COVID? Has the owner considered that possibility?
beer 30
Footballguy
Speaking of schools, this is after one week.
https://www.heraldonline.com/news/local/education/article253712533.html
YORK SCHOOL DISTRICT
York School District reports 71 positive cases. There are currently 506 students in quarantine.
Students are quarantined according to the DHEC definition. That means students are staying home due to close contact with someone with the coronavirus.
ROCK HILL SCHOOLS
Rock Hill schools are currently reporting 45 new positive cases, with 395 students in quarantine due to COVID-19 exposure.
CLOVER SCHOOL DISTRICT
Clover schools currently have 51 COVID-positive students. The district has 278 quarantined students.
CHESTER COUNTY SCHOOL DISTRICT
While Chester County School District enacted a mask mandate Monday, it has the lowest number of quarantined students.
Chester requires students who are exposed to COVID-19 to be quarantined for up to 24 days, with 200 currently quarantined. The district reports 68 positive cases.
FairWarning
Footballguy
The one with Covid is staying away’ leaving 2 and the owner (who would fill in). The owner wants to stay away because he has no interest in the vax and doesn’t want to get it.
>>Across the Jackson Health System hospitals, we currently have 437 patients who have tested positive for COVID-19. Of those, about 89 percent are unvaccinated. Of the 46 patients who are vaccinated, 31 of them are immunocompromised transplant patients.<<
The hospitalizations have peaked in Miami Dade County, it appears, but they're going down very slowly. This is close to the max level of hospitalizations before the vaccine, even though over 95% of seniors in Miami Dade are vaccinated. We've seen several news reports of law enforcement office in their 40s and 50s dying of COVID, even a 27 year old female state trooper.
The Jackson Health System (affiliated with University of Miami Health System) is the highest volume transplant program in the USA, per their web-site.
https://mobile.twitter.com/JacksonHealth/status/1430572478095581188
The hospitalizations have peaked in Miami Dade County, it appears, but they're going down very slowly. This is close to the max level of hospitalizations before the vaccine, even though over 95% of seniors in Miami Dade are vaccinated. We've seen several news reports of law enforcement office in their 40s and 50s dying of COVID, even a 27 year old female state trooper.
The Jackson Health System (affiliated with University of Miami Health System) is the highest volume transplant program in the USA, per their web-site.
https://mobile.twitter.com/JacksonHealth/status/1430572478095581188
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
Feels like the equivalent of going out drinking with a bunch of friends, and after everyone is good and sloshed, telling them at the end of the night, "I'm too drunk to be the designated driver so one of you has to drive everyone else home."
FairWarning
Footballguy
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
I feel like this should be cross-posted in @moleculo's workplace culture thread. As I said there, my guess is you can answer 90% of the questions you have about a company's culture based on how they handled Covid. And based on what you've told us, yours ain't sounding so good.
The Z Machine
Footballguy
moleculo
Footballguy
no LANCASTER COUNTY SCHOOL DISTRICT?
Anyways, our policy is if a kid tests positive, all close contact have to quarantine (may be able to get back in with negative test?). Unless you are vaccinated, in which case you can come back.
After one week, we got an email that someone in my daughters class tested positive last week. Not a close contact; apparently my daughter sits >6' from this student. but of course, she has a sore throat and picked up a cough, and now my wife is complaining of the same. Ugh.
Also, there is no virtual option for any kids who have to be out of school for a week or two for quarantine/positive, so that's wonderful.
beer 30
Footballguy
I just didn't copy that part. Congratulations on all your success!no LANCASTER COUNTY SCHOOL DISTRICT?
Anyways, our policy is if a kid tests positive, all close contact have to quarantine (may be able to get back in with negative test?). Unless you are vaccinated, in which case you can come back.
After one week, we got an email that someone in my daughters class tested positive last week. Not a close contact; apparently my daughter sits >6' from this student. but of course, she has a sore throat and picked up a cough, and now my wife is complaining of the same. Ugh.
Also, there is no virtual option for any kids who have to be out of school for a week or two for quarantine/positive, so that's wonderful.
Lancaster County School District’s policy is to quarantine students who have been in contact with someone who tests positive for the coronavirus. The entire class will be quarantined if one student has the virus.
This means the 139 reported cases of coronavirus at LCSD have led to 1,110 students quarantined.
The district has 15,170 students enrolled this year, District Representative Michelle Craig said. This means about 7% of students are currently quarantined.
Oh, he's not staying away because of this COVID positive, he's staying away in general (past, present, and future)?
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