moleculo
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:deepsigh:
also, we had a 16 year old die from COVID the day before school started, so that's fun.
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*** OFFICIAL *** COVID-19 CoronaVirus Thread. Fresh epidemic fears as child pneumonia cases surge in Europe after China outbreak. NOW in USA (16 Viewers)
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also, we had a 16 year old die from COVID the day before school started, so that's fun.
beer 30
Footballguy
Sorry to hear that man. SC just refuses to address it. I gave them credit when they put scrubbers in the schools but we're in the midst of another outbreak on par with last year or worse. Last year they all wore masks and had shields up at their desks, ate lunch in their room and no recess with other classes.
This year? it's all gone and the numbers are higher than last year this time after one week.
moleculo
Footballguy
article on Lancaster Co, as discussed above
my kids wear masks. They estimate maybe 25% of students are masking up voluntarily.
somewhat limited - translation: mask mandates and virtual schools were made illegal by the governor of SC.
my kids wear masks. They estimate maybe 25% of students are masking up voluntarily.
FairWarning
Footballguy
FairWarning
Footballguy
The guy with Covid is definitely sick, so he’s out. The boss/owner wants us to cover since he is sort of self quarantining and doesn’t want to do the work. I get that everyone has rights, but when they infringe on others - are they really rights?
Battersbox
Footballguy
This study is making the rounds on the Twitters. Several voices using it to suggest the idea that immunity through vaccination is not superior to immunity via infection.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1
pollardsvision
Footballguy
I have to ask. Why are you working for this guy?
I have a business with 3 employees (counting myself). Not a chance in hell I'm asking the people that work with me and make it possible to feed my family to put themselves in harm's way if I won't do it myself. Not just about COVID, but in my mind, the first rule of leadership is you can't ask people to do something you wouldn't do yourself (even if the the leader isn't currently doing it, it's important that they would or did when they were growing/building the business)
FairWarning
Footballguy
It’s basically working for myself, but it is also close to home and I have been caregiving for my mother (hospice now). Down the road, I wouldn’t mind some sort of overnight courier service, maybe a casino dealer even. It’s an issue that many small businesses have to face.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Doug B
Footballguy
To determine positivity rate, the denominator shouldn't be 'total number of students' (15,170) -- it should be 'total number of students tested'.
Positivity Rate % = ([Positive Tests]/[Tests Administered]) * 100
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Doug B
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Kids aren't generally being tested without symptoms. The ones that are tested without symptoms are generally testing after a presumed close contact. Neither condition is likely to draw in kids that got over COVID 4 to 12 weeks back.
The 'keep testing positive for 90 days' thing is borne out when testing via sensitive PCR tests. After symptoms subside, a negative antigen test (e.g. most rapid tests and home tests) will indicate that you're good to go.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Vaccine Skeptic Does Own Research By Enrolling 45,000 Friends In Double-Blind Clinical Trial
SUMMIT, NJ—Determined to gather all the facts before drawing any conclusions, local vaccine skeptic Joel Edwards was reportedly doing his own research Wednesday by enrolling 45,000 friends in a double-blind clinical trial. “It’s important to always think for yourself, which is why I’m conducting a 5-year, 3-phase, placebo-controlled study with tens of thousands of volunteers from across the country,” said the 32-year-old car wash attendant, who explained that he had divided the trial participants into two randomized groups, one which he would inject with the Pfizer-BioNTech Covid-19 vaccine, and the other whom he would administer an injection of saline solution. “Listen, I’m no sucker. You’re free to be a sheep, but I’m not going to take anything the government tells me for granted without conducting a multi-million dollar study published in the New England Journal Of Medicine proving the safety and efficacy of mRNA vaccines.”
SUMMIT, NJ—Determined to gather all the facts before drawing any conclusions, local vaccine skeptic Joel Edwards was reportedly doing his own research Wednesday by enrolling 45,000 friends in a double-blind clinical trial. “It’s important to always think for yourself, which is why I’m conducting a 5-year, 3-phase, placebo-controlled study with tens of thousands of volunteers from across the country,” said the 32-year-old car wash attendant, who explained that he had divided the trial participants into two randomized groups, one which he would inject with the Pfizer-BioNTech Covid-19 vaccine, and the other whom he would administer an injection of saline solution. “Listen, I’m no sucker. You’re free to be a sheep, but I’m not going to take anything the government tells me for granted without conducting a multi-million dollar study published in the New England Journal Of Medicine proving the safety and efficacy of mRNA vaccines.”
Nathan R. Jessep
Footballguy
Interesting results, but will wait for the peer-review before I get too excited about it. I read through the full study, and one thing I don't see in there is how they pulled their sample of infected. It says anyone with a positive test, but to me that depends on what pool of data they pulled it from. Was it hospital data, meaning those that were hospitalized? General public health records? Etc. Maybe it stated, but I didn't see that in my quick read through. Anyway, thanks for posting it.
Even if you double the # of positives to assume asymptomatic carriers you are still looking at a 1.8% rate unless you are thinking there are a bunch of sick children not being tested.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding because in NYC they are randomly testing 20% of students and staff every week.
That being said my point still holds true for NYC schools and any other school districts that randomly test a % of kids every week.
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Doug B
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Doug B
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Understood. That's not universal. I'd say that random testing of students in the U.S. is quite rare, actually.
gianmarco
Footballguy
Hospital to replace doctors with parents who have done their research.
SYDNEY, AUSTRALIA – A large tertiary care center in Sydney, Australia is pulling out all the stops to try and cut their expenses. As of next month, all doctors and nurses currently on staff will be replaced by parents who have done research on the Internet.
As of next month, all doctors and nurses currently on staff will be replaced by parents who have done research on the Internet.
“I can’t tell you how happy and relieved I am when a patient tells me they have done some research on the internet,” said head of neurology, Dr. Eric Sheppard. “It’s only topped by a patient telling me they have a family member who is a nurse.”
The hospital is excited about how much money this move should save them, not to mention the overwhelming support from parents everywhere.
“This is a great move in my opinion,” said anti-vaccer Meryl Dorey. “Most parents know more than doctors anyways, so this is a huge step in the right direction.”
Fake doctors are also supportive of the decision and are hoping to be given consideration for available positions: “I have two internet doctorates and know far more about how to heal people than any medical doctor,” said “Doctor” Dante Seers. “I would love to go into more detail but it will cost you $1495.”
The current staff are in the process of being moved to other, less innovative health centers.
Terminalxylem
Footballguy
Thanks for posting - their findings go against other studies, though on cursory review I didn’t see any horrendous methodologic errors.
Coach Morris Buttermaker
Footballguy
Comparing charts from Israel to Sweden would seem like evidence that backs this up
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E9pVd-UVUAICPjy?format=jpg&name=small
AAABatteries
Footballguy
Isn't all this is showing us is case counts and not the efficacy of the vaccine? I mean, couldn't Sweden still have more people dying (theoretically)? Case counts were really important a year+ ago but now the metric really should be hospitalizations and deaths.
culdeus
Footballguy
That's not exactly the take here. I mean if you have the option to get the virus, or the vaccine, this doesn't say get the virus first then the vaccine. Though I suppose that's what the antivax take is.
Superiority in this context has implies that perhaps people that have had the virus just need one dose, this has a major implication in 3rd world countries that have been hit hard. You could get by with one dose for those that have had the disease. For the US it's a pointless exercise as getting two doses in people is not a logistical or economic obstacle.
E-Z Glider
Footballguy
Need some drug reps in there too. I prefer to take my medical advise from someone with a degree in communications.
culdeus
Footballguy
Drug reps that "know a lot of doctors" are really ideal in this environment. It's basically like having the pulse on this disease.
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A very close friend just danced with the devil
Hardcore antivaxxer. 36 and in great shape. No comorbidities at all.
Started with bad flu symptoms and wicked fever and gradually progressed. Brought him LiquidIV packs to help with dehydration, pulse OX to watch O2 sats, then canned O2 to help through bad spots.
Eventually caved and went in to ER. Was there over a week on oxygen. Walking to the toilet 10 feet away required 10 min to catch his breath.
He just got home, and has booked his vax jab in 3 months (how long his doc told him to wait).
Hardcore antivaxxer. 36 and in great shape. No comorbidities at all.
Started with bad flu symptoms and wicked fever and gradually progressed. Brought him LiquidIV packs to help with dehydration, pulse OX to watch O2 sats, then canned O2 to help through bad spots.
Eventually caved and went in to ER. Was there over a week on oxygen. Walking to the toilet 10 feet away required 10 min to catch his breath.
He just got home, and has booked his vax jab in 3 months (how long his doc told him to wait).
Nathan R. Jessep
Footballguy
A few decent studies posted. And a lot of mask arguing. Welcome back.Back and BOOSTED
2 day ultra mild fever and a touch of fatigue. Ready for NFL season
Can I get a TDOSS or should I Hipple the last two weeks?
Battersbox
Footballguy
I'm not saying people should get the virus instead of the vaccine. But there has been an argument that vax immunity is superior to immunity through infection, and this study suggests that's incorrect.
Currently, people are being shamed if they think they shouldn't be vaxxed if they've been infected prior. This study suggests that shaming has been in error.
culdeus
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ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
I liked this post, but honestly, none of the emojis could capture the totality of my reaction. Angry, sad, and ultimately grateful that he's OK and is getting his shot.
Battersbox
Footballguy
What does it say then?
Formerly, if people got 1 dose of a 2-part MRNA vax, they were considered unvaxxed (and therefore scorned by many).
Doesn't this study suggest that's wrong??
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culdeus
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Battersbox
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BigJim®
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If we're going off recommendations as "scientific evidence" these days, I guess we would need to know... what's the recommended natural re-infection interval for dummies who like to do things the hard way?
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culdeus
Footballguy
Explain. I'll wait to post on FB until you do
I placed the implications of this study above, it has no real bearing for first world countries with first world medicine. Nor is it some sort of scoreboard defining moment for anti-vax people. Though I'm sure some will try to paint it with that brush.
Battersbox
Footballguy
Israel is a first-world country.
Yes, anti-vax people could seize on this to further their argument, which would be unfortunate at this point imo.
It seems as though you feel anything which questions current thinking should be disregarded. I personally like to keep an open mind. That doesn't mean I post to FB or whatever. Grow the eff up.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
I can't really speak to the shaming - my personal take is that everyone should get vaccinated when their doctors and/or the experts say they should. I've not heard anyone say that those previously infected shouldn't get the vaccine, just that they should wait some period of time. As for the accuracy of which immunity is superior - I really don't care and not sure why anybody else would either. As you say, we wouldn't recommend that anyone catch Covid intentionally so to me it's a stupid argument for people to have. It's interesting information and possibly useful but seeing as we are recommending people on both sides of the argument to get vaxxed, it seems kind of pointless for lay people to be discussing it. I don't see how it can be used by an anti-vaxxer in any way other than to twist it in to vaccines not working, which we know is false.
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culdeus
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There is a large subset of people that have not gotten the shot because they have already have covid and don't see the need.
This type of thing can embolden them. It's a silly argument, and completely irrelevant for 1st world countries. It is promising/hopeful in the sense that catching covid and not dying is perhaps as good as any other option.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Battersbox
Footballguy
This study could be an argument for consideration about prior infection, which currently is largely disregarded. I agree it shouldn't affect anyone's plan to be vaccinated if they've never been infected. And I'm not saying if someone was infected in the past they shouldn't be vaccinated. What I'm saying is prior infection shouldn't be disregarded out of hand if this study has merit.
belljr
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beer 30
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AAABatteries
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Can you explain what you mean in the bolded above? I don't understand what is being disregarded.
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IF we could expect the entirety of society to act in a rational manner, then inconclusive science could be reported openly without being nerfed.
Unfortunately we have a subset of society who have lost their damn minds, so we're forced to spin things a bit to save them from themselves.
Unfortunately we have a subset of society who have lost their damn minds, so we're forced to spin things a bit to save them from themselves.
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culdeus
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The summary is pretty poorly written.
What they omitted, probably to get more attention here from people that don't care to read beyond the title or abstract, that vaccines in this context means NI+Vax, but by leaving that little detail out (of the summary) will drive conclusion, as this study was not Vax vs. NI it was NI+Vax vs NI. This type of framing is tough for people to manage in a tweet.
Again, the context for a first world country is nil. This has only implications for those places where vaccinations lagged infections and you are trying to get as many people to a Vax or NI+Vax status ASAP.
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