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*** OFFICIAL *** COVID-19 CoronaVirus Thread. Fresh epidemic fears as child pneumonia cases surge in Europe after China outbreak. NOW in USA (11 Viewers)

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Excellent question here. :popcorn:

This claim is ironic given given how terribly off base many of Cav's posts have been over the duration of this event. 
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Yep, the only consistent message he's had is not wanting to be vaccinated. But after a YouTube video or three, he's practically an immunologist. 

 
Terminalxylem said:
From your perspective, what “truth” had emerged? What specifically should posters be ashamed of?
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Nothing has emerged but surviving a virus has always been considered at the least equal to a vaxx if not better.  That was science then I don't know the break though that you all back but that you all can tell me.  

Mob mentality. I have much love for many of the posters that ripped me and take thing out of context.  Many probably still think I am anti vaxx. Good luck brother.

 
IC FBGCav said:
Nothing has emerged but surviving a virus has always been considered at the least equal to a vaxx if not better.  That was science then I don't know the break though that you all back but that you all can tell me.  

Mob mentality. I have much love for many of the posters that ripped me and take thing out of context.  Many probably still think I am anti vaxx. Good luck brother.
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Incorrect. While natural immunity is usually really good, that blanket statement doesn't apply for all infections/vaccines. I've already provided info and links indicating otherwise (repeatedly). You can search for them if interested.

That's not mob mentality. It's reality.

 
Terminalxylem said:
Incorrect. While natural immunity is usually really good, that blanket statement doesn't apply for all infections/vaccines. I've already provided info and links indicating otherwise (repeatedly). You can search for them if interested.

That's not mob mentality. It's reality.
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You make inclusion statements and word play.   Tell me where are vaccines better NI.  Better yet are you saying the vaccines we have now are better than NI.

 
Terminalxylem said:
Yep, the only consistent message he's had is not wanting to be vaccinated. But after a YouTube video or three, he's practically an immunologist. 
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Yes, I don't want to be vaccinated because I survived the virus.  Are you that obtuse?

 
IC FBGCav said:
Yes, I don't want to be vaccinated because I survived the virus.  Are you that obtuse?
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But the version of the virus that you survived isn't necessarily what is out there now, and the antibodies that your body produced may not properly identify in a timely fashion to save your life what you may be infected with.  The mRNA vaccines have your body produce the spike protein and the body reacts to that.  So far, all the the covid variants have had a spike protein similar enough that the antibodies still recognize and adhere to the virus strains.  There may be a point where the current vaccines don't cover the strains and we need variant boosters.

Just because you get a cold or the flu, does not mean you cannot still get another cold or flu.  They are all variants of each other -- normally multiple strains are out there every year and they mutate season to season that you still end up getting infected.

How don't you understand this?  You get COVID-alpha, but that doesn't necessarily make you immune to COVID-delta because your body may react differently to the strains.  But the vaccine caused your body to make antibodies that latch onto the specific spike protein that EVERY version of COVID has so far -- so your body recognizes that spike protein's presence immediately, and then calls on its reserves and memory to attack swiftly

 
IC FBGCav said:
Because it takes time and effort.  Give me the best link he has to agree with or dispute.
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He, I, and several others have provided you many links to this effect in this thread, your thread, and all of the Covid related threads where it has come up. I'm pretty sure you're just trolling at this point. 

 
Well, to follow up on my post earlier this week--we thankfully do not have Covid. The in-home test must have had a false positive. 

But you couldn't tell it by me. This week has sucked. I feel like I have been run over by a truck. Yesterday my daughter and I probably slept most, if not all, of the day away. Terrible fatigue, headaches, and typical cold-like symptoms. She feels much better today, but I am glad I can WFH for the next three days because wow, I do not feel like leaving the house. 

 
Courtjester said:
Well, to follow up on my post earlier this week--we thankfully do not have Covid. The in-home test must have had a false positive. 

But you couldn't tell it by me. This week has sucked. I feel like I have been run over by a truck. Yesterday my daughter and I probably slept most, if not all, of the day away. Terrible fatigue, headaches, and typical cold-like symptoms. She feels much better today, but I am glad I can WFH for the next three days because wow, I do not feel like leaving the house. 
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That's interesting. From my understanding False Positives are exceedingly rare with most any COVID tests. 

Hope you get to feeling better, GB 

 
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Trash piling up in NYC as DSNY is quietly protesting the vaccine mandates (must get a shot by Fri or be put on unpaid leave) and refusing to pick up for a week now. Fun times!

 
Merck to share antiviral COVID pill formula with developing countries

Merck said Wednesday it granted the Medicines Patent Pool, a United Nations-backed nonprofit, a royalty-free license for molnupiravir, an oral antiviral COVID-19 pill that it developed with Ridgeback Biotherapeutics.

Why it matters: The license means generic-drug companies in 105 low- and middle-income countries will be allowed to produce the experimental drug after it gains regulatory approval, which would greatly expand the availability of the medication to nations that have so far lacked access to coronavirus vaccines.
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Wife got her booster shot last week and I got an email from Kaiser that they are going to start getting doses of children's vaccines in early November for 5-11 year olds.  Can't wait to finally get the kids their shots.

 
My wife and I caught a lot of grief for not attending a wedding this past weekend -- rather a wedding reception from a wedding that happened in 2020 COVID.  Well, someone who attended just tested positive.  VINDICATION!!! 

(I hope everyone gets through it OK).

 
Leeroy Jenkins said:
My wife and I caught a lot of grief for not attending a wedding this past weekend -- rather a wedding reception from a wedding that happened in 2020 COVID.  Well, someone who attended just tested positive.  VINDICATION!!! 

(I hope everyone gets through it OK).
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I'm convinced it's a crap shoot at this point. Was at a masked wedding, unmasked outdoor reception, an indoor funeral service and random interactions inside. Felt uncomfortable at times and fine others.

 
IC FBGCav said:
Because it takes time and effort.  Give me the best link he has to agree with or dispute.
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Sorry Cav, you've been given multiple links already. Learning takes effort, and changing one's opinion requires an open mind. If you have time to consume multi-hour Youtube videos and podcasts, you can use the search function.

Here is a starting point, delineating posts I've made with the keyword "immunity".

 
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IC FBGCav said:
Yes, I don't want to be vaccinated because I survived the virus.  Are you that obtuse?
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No, the triangle which best describes my stance contains a ninety degree angle.

Trigonometry humor aside, why were you willing to get the influenza vaccine after surviving the flu?

Got my first one a month ago.  No reaction other than a sore arm for about 3 days.  By PCP nurse sort of talked me into it as I was on the fence.  Had the flu about 10 years ago and it was pretty rough.   Plus turning 50 in 2020 so I figured why not.
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SARS-CoV-2 is a more deadly virus, and mRNA vaccines are a heck of a lot more effective against covid than flu shots are for influenza.

 
lod001 said:
Good luck all of you cause if this is even remotely true, you are gonna need it.

https://theexpose.uk/2021/10/27/official-government-reports-suggest-the-fully-vaccinated-will-develop-acquired-immunodeficiency-syndrome-by-christmas/
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From your link:

The last 7 Public Health England / UK Health Security Agency ‘Vaccine Surveillance’ report figures on Covid-19 cases show that double vaccinated 40-79 year-olds have now lost lost 50% of their immune system capability and are consistently losing a further 5% every week (between 3.9% and 8.8%).

Projections therefore suggest that 40-79 year-olds will have zero Covid / Viral defence at best, or a form of vaccine mediated acquired immunodeficiency syndrome at worst, by Christmas and all double vaccinated people over 30 will have completely lost that part of their immune system which deals with Covid-19 within the next 13 weeks.
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Stick with me here, I'm going to link the latest report from that agency. https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1027511/Vaccine-surveillance-report-week-42.pdf

It says no such thing.

 
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Leeroy Jenkins said:
My wife and I caught a lot of grief for not attending a wedding this past weekend -- rather a wedding reception from a wedding that happened in 2020 COVID.  Well, someone who attended just tested positive.  VINDICATION!!! 

(I hope everyone gets through it OK).
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Aren't you vaccinated? So you plan on not attending anything for the rest of your life now?

 
jobarules said:
Aren't you vaccinated? So you plan on not attending anything for the rest of your life now?
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Not indoors while in the pandemic stage, Delta variant (or some other with consistent breakthroughs)  with cases rising in my state (or starting to plateau), and cases above 10,000/day, while my kids are not vaccinated.  And clearly I was right not to go.  This uncle also hosted everyone at his house the day after the wedding. This is the second breakthrough case among my wife's extended family within the last 3 weeks.  They are not careful at all -- but at least got vaccinated.  

I actually attended an indoor wedding, unmasked, with 150 people in some ####ty wedding hall in July.  Before Delta.

 
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Leeroy Jenkins said:
Not indoors while in the pandemic stage, Delta variant (or some other with consistent breakthroughs)  with cases rising in my state (or starting to plateau), and cases above 10,000/day, while my kids are not vaccinated.  And clearly I was right not to go.  This uncle also hosted everyone at his house the day after the wedding. This is the second breakthrough case among my wife's extended family within the last 3 weeks.  They are not careful at all -- but at least got vaccinated.  

I actually attended an indoor wedding, unmasked, with 150 people in some ####ty wedding hall in July.  Before Delta.
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I dont know if the bolded it true. Whos to say you would have gotten a breakthrough case?

 
jobarules said:
I dont know if the bolded it true. Whos to say you would have gotten a breakthrough case?
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The bolded is true (for him).

It's better to be process-oriented and not results-oriented.

Just because you put $10 on red and hit on it winning $100 doesn't mean it was a good bet or "the right way to go".  That there were Covid positive people at the gathering means it was a good decision to not risk getting infected.  That decision isn't dependent on if he would have definitely gotten infected or not.

 
gianmarco said:
The bolded is true (for him).

It's better to be process-oriented and not results-oriented.

Just because you put $10 on red and hit on it winning $100 doesn't mean it was a good bet or "the right way to go".  That there were Covid positive people at the gathering means it was a good decision to not risk getting infected.  That decision isn't dependent on if he would have definitely gotten infected or not.
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You're an idiot...... everyone knows betting red pays 1:1....... ;)

 
gianmarco said:
The bolded is true (for him).

It's better to be process-oriented and not results-oriented.

Just because you put $10 on red and hit on it winning $100 doesn't mean it was a good bet or "the right way to go".  That there were Covid positive people at the gathering means it was a good decision to not risk getting infected.  That decision isn't dependent on if he would have definitely gotten infected or not.
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I dunno. Just sounds like a guy using covid as an excuse not to goto a wedding he really didn't want to goto in the first place. Seems like a lot of people are doing that nowadays. I don't blame him. Just be honest though.

 
I'll never criticize somebody for skipping a wedding, who really cares if somebody present tested positive?  Assuming you're vaccinated of course.

All of us have probably attended literally hundreds of indoor events with people ill from various communicable diseases during our lifetime.  Some of us have even gotten sick from those folks.  It's inconvenient but no big deal.

 
For perspective, I just got home from a week-long road trip to visit my daughter in college.  1400 miles across 4 different states, only one of which has a mask mandate (that is apparently widely ignored, based on my observation).  Every single day included some combination of indoor dining, indoor shopping, an indoor concert, hanging out at a local bar indoors, etc.  Most places were at full capacity with no masking or social distancing of any kind.  In fairness, the concert I mentioned required masks because it was on campus, which is the only place I saw that actually enforced a mandate.

If I come down with a breakthrough infection in the next couple of days, that's fine.  I'm not putting my life on hold over something that hits people like me like a bad cold.

It isn't just my local community.  If my experience is anything to go by, it seems like much of Midwest and Southwest has basically moved on from the pandemic. 

 
jobarules said:
I dunno. Just sounds like a guy using covid as an excuse not to goto a wedding he really didn't want to goto in the first place. Seems like a lot of people are doing that nowadays. I don't blame him. Just be honest though.
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I passed up something similar. I have a kid that is not eligible to be vaccinated too. While obviously health is primary concern, if I come down with a breakthrough infection (even if mild to me, or mild to him if he gets it), are you offering up free child care for two weeks while my son would have to stay home from school due to quarantining as a close contact?

 
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IvanKaramazov said:
For perspective, I just got home from a week-long road trip to visit my daughter in college.  1400 miles across 4 different states, only one of which has a mask mandate (that is apparently widely ignored, based on my observation).  Every single day included some combination of indoor dining, indoor shopping, an indoor concert, hanging out at a local bar indoors, etc.  Most places were at full capacity with no masking or social distancing of any kind.  In fairness, the concert I mentioned required masks because it was on campus, which is the only place I saw that actually enforced a mandate.

If I come down with a breakthrough infection in the next couple of days, that's fine.  I'm not putting my life on hold over something that hits people like me like a bad cold.

It isn't just my local community.  If my experience is anything to go by, it seems like much of Midwest and Southwest has basically moved on from the pandemic. 
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Excellent post here, and being in the Southwest (California), I can tell you that things are starting to normalize a bit more. Non-vaccinated / kids are wearing masks indoors, and even myself as fully-vaccinated have been wearing a mask at Target, grocery store, what-not.  But I'm going to restaurants and bars and am going on with my life.  We are following "guidelines" at work, which means masks in common areas.  Whatever, I'm only at my office twice weekly.

Just got back from Omaha/Iowa.  Didn't see but one instance of mask usage (front desk girl at hotel at check-in).  So yeah, my Midwest experience would suggest things are chugging along there too.

Hoping folks get their boosters, hoping kids have no reactions to their shots, so we can just get on as a nation/world.

 
IvanKaramazov said:
If I come down with a breakthrough infection in the next couple of days, that's fine.  I'm not putting my life on hold over something that hits people like me like a bad cold.

It isn't just my local community.  If my experience is anything to go by, it seems like much of Midwest and Southwest has basically moved on from the pandemic. 
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I am looking forward to the time when this immediate area (N.O. metro) -- and more intimately, my household -- gets into this kind of headspace regarding COVID.

Long story short, my wife and daughter pretty much agree with the PSF right-wing contingent about the efficacy of the vaccine -- that it's not "perfect enough" and therefore "doesn't do enough" to protect the vaccinated. The vaccinated "can still" catch COVID, get sick from COVID, get hospitalized from COVID, and die from COVID. A stark diminution of the risks isn't enough -- for them, getting back to 2019-style ease of mind requires virtual COVID risk elimination -- the "can happen" stuff is taken as eventualities. And to be fair, my wife and I do have comorbidities, as do our parents ... and we've been willing to continue with masks and such to keep everyone's risk as low as possible.

I don't know ... I don't yet see an off ramp back to 2019 for my family and the people we deal with day to day. Honestly -- and for better/worse -- it's probably going to require some kind of sustained center-left "COVID's over! For real this time!" push from traditional media + social media. 

 
Trying to figure out why Pennsylvania seems so far behind the curve this fall. All along we've been on sort of the same pattern as neighboring states just less case due to lower population then say a NY. But other states seem to have leveled off and started down much quicker.

 
IvanKaramazov said:
For perspective, I just got home from a week-long road trip to visit my daughter in college.  1400 miles across 4 different states, only one of which has a mask mandate (that is apparently widely ignored, based on my observation).  Every single day included some combination of indoor dining, indoor shopping, an indoor concert, hanging out at a local bar indoors, etc.  Most places were at full capacity with no masking or social distancing of any kind.  In fairness, the concert I mentioned required masks because it was on campus, which is the only place I saw that actually enforced a mandate.

If I come down with a breakthrough infection in the next couple of days, that's fine.  I'm not putting my life on hold over something that hits people like me like a bad cold.

It isn't just my local community.  If my experience is anything to go by, it seems like much of Midwest and Southwest has basically moved on from the pandemic. 
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Same experience here...kids have been fully in school since August of 2020 and sports with no issues.  Everything has basically been back to normal w/o restrictions - restaurants, weddings, sporting events, vegas trips, shopping.  We are in Georgia for reference.  If it wasn't for the few people wearing masks, you would have no idea COVID was still a thing.  I just don't see the risk...

 
SwampDawg said:
Trying to figure out why Pennsylvania seems so far behind the curve this fall. All along we've been on sort of the same pattern as neighboring states just less case due to lower population then say a NY. But other states seem to have leveled off and started down much quicker.
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I think we are not quite as vaccinated as New York and New Jersey.  Not sure about Delaware.  

 
jobarules said:
I dunno. Just sounds like a guy using covid as an excuse not to goto a wedding he really didn't want to goto in the first place. Seems like a lot of people are doing that nowadays. I don't blame him. Just be honest though.
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What specific phrases did he type that suggest “he really didn’t want to go in the first place?”

 
IvanKaramazov said:
For perspective, I just got home from a week-long road trip to visit my daughter in college.  1400 miles across 4 different states, only one of which has a mask mandate (that is apparently widely ignored, based on my observation).  Every single day included some combination of indoor dining, indoor shopping, an indoor concert, hanging out at a local bar indoors, etc.  Most places were at full capacity with no masking or social distancing of any kind.  In fairness, the concert I mentioned required masks because it was on campus, which is the only place I saw that actually enforced a mandate.

If I come down with a breakthrough infection in the next couple of days, that's fine.  I'm not putting my life on hold over something that hits people like me like a bad cold.

It isn't just my local community.  If my experience is anything to go by, it seems like much of Midwest and Southwest has basically moved on from the pandemic. 
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I’m pretty much in the same place as you.  I’m back to traveling for work (primarily NYC), playing doubles tennis indoors and playing pickup basketball indoors.  Travel includes eating indoors at restaurants (with vaccination rules) but unmasked.  Both sports are unmasked.

We are double vax’d and soon to be boosted.  Kids are double vax’d.  I’m very comfortable and at peace with the decisions I’m making at this point.

 
Interesting discussion.  I am pretty much back to normal life, with cases in my state currently at a very low level after the huge Delta surge from July to September.  This is like how I was this past Spring before Delta.  During the surge we gave up indoor dining and some other more risky behavior and wore masks in public indoor settings.  We will stay in "normal" mode until the next upswing in cases and evaluate risk then. Both worrierqueen and I are fully vaxed.  We'll get boosters when eligible (we are in our 50s with no comorbidities).

 
gobrowns33 said:
Same experience here...kids have been fully in school since August of 2020 and sports with no issues.  Everything has basically been back to normal w/o restrictions - restaurants, weddings, sporting events, vegas trips, shopping.  We are in Georgia for reference.  If it wasn't for the few people wearing masks, you would have no idea COVID was still a thing.  I just don't see the risk...
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There are 1500 people a day still dying from this thing. For reference, that is nearly twice as many that were dying in early April of 2020 when we all started freaking out about this. True, most that are dying are unvaccinated, but it certainly isn't everyone. 

Now, I rarely wear a mask these days and my life has gotten pretty much back to normal, but that changes when my parents visit (dad is an organ transplant recipient and super high risk still). There are plenty of people around the country that are still at risk of dying from covid.

 
The perspective when you have young children changes things a little. Once they get vaccinated, then things will really take a big step back to normalcy.

But when having to quarantine for anything until testing completed to go back to school is a thing, it's a factor in decision making.

Also, some are still higher risk from a health standpoint or have close family members in that category. I believe @Leeroy Jenkinsis in that boat. Not everyone's risk is the same 

 
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