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*** OFFICIAL *** COVID-19 CoronaVirus Thread. Fresh epidemic fears as child pneumonia cases surge in Europe after China outbreak. NOW in USA (23 Viewers)

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jobarules said:
Newsflash: you will get covid eventually 
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I know. I accepted that a few months ago when Delta first started spreading. Doesn't mean I want it to happen.

Like I said, I'm not going to reorient my entire life around avoiding it. But the prospect of getting it is always going to be in the back of my mind.

 
jobarules said:
So you see no hypocrisy between your response of "because doctors recommend it" when people say they see no reason to get the booster but you saying the same thing about Tamiflu?

Ridiculous 
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I can't speak for others, but I certainly never thought people should get a booster "because doctors recommend it". They should get it because an increasing amount of data is suggesting that boosters eliminate the problem of waning immunity and are our most effective weapon for defending ourselves against the most recent variants. 

 
Biff84 said:
Before it was generic, it was expensive and insurance coverage wasn’t great. I probably talked more people out of it than I convinced to get it.
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Yep.

"Hey, there's this medicine you take for 5 days, it might take a few hours to maybe a day's worth of symptoms off, but it might also cause vomiting and diarrhea and abdominal pain/cramping and rarely a sudden psychotic episode that could be dangerous.  And, for all that, your insurance probably won't cover it and you get to spend anywhere from $75 to $150 for all that. Interested?

"Yeah, no thanks".

"Good choice."

 
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Doug B said:
I could look this up, but since your around: Do you know whether or not this has begun to happen with Tamiflu yet? Or is still new enough not to have seen efficacy slip just yet?
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Yes, there is Tamiflu resistance amongst some flu strains.

ETA Agree with @gianmarco that Tamiflu sucks.

 
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jobarules said:
So you see no hypocrisy between your response of "because doctors recommend it" when people say they see no reason to get the booster but you saying the same thing about Tamiflu?

Ridiculous 
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Perhaps @gianmarco is a bit more qualified to judge Tamiflu’s efficacy than the average bear?

Biff84 said:
To echo what others have said, Tamiflu is mainly for those something when they are sick with the flu. When people are sick with the flu, the main treatment is rest, fluids, symptom treatment and time. Many people aren’t happy with that answer when they feel miserable and that’s when Tamiflu comes in. It’s only effective if you take it early in the symptoms and will take a day off of the duration of illness. So not much for the average case of flu. There’s certainly a place for it with the elderly and the young but for most, it’s not needed. Before it was generic, it was expensive and insurance coverage wasn’t great. I probably talked more people out of it than I convinced to get it.

If the Pfizer pill is comparable to Tamiflu and needs to be given early to be effective, that’s not a game changer. Any help is still great but not a pandemic ender.
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The Pfizer pill does need to be given early, but it looks a lot more effective than Tamiflu.

 
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jobarules said:
There was no mask mandate at the local level. Now there is. What are you talking about?
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Did you even read passed the headline?

Here I'll help 

“Well, this is not — there’s very little difference between what we’re doing and what New York City has already done,” she said.

“So, if New York City had been — had not had taken their own steps, then we would have absolutely had that surgical approach"

So, yes, but it didn’t make a difference because they already had a more restrictive requirement in place,” Hochul said.

 
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belljr said:
Yet you don't understand the article
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I understand it completely.

People working in offices, going food shopping, or visiting the pharmacy in NYC did not have to wear masks prior to Dec. 13. Now they do. Governor admits NYC already has high vaccination rate and probably doesn't need a mask mandate yet here we are.  

 
jobarules said:
I understand it completely.

People working in offices, going food shopping, or visiting the pharmacy in NYC did not have to wear masks prior to Dec. 13. Now they do. Governor admits NYC already has high vaccination rate and probably doesn't need a mask mandate yet here we are.  
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And?  why don't you make your point without just posting a link and have us try to interpret your point.   It's not a federal mandate.... So what exactly are you complaining about this time?

 
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belljr said:
Did you even read passed the headline?

Here I'll help 

“Well, this is not — there’s very little difference between what we’re doing and what New York City has already done,” she said.

“So, if New York City had been — had not had taken their own steps, then we would have absolutely had that surgical approach"

So, yes, but it didn’t make a difference because they already had a more restrictive requirement in place,” Hochul said.
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Yeah I can read too. I have no clue wtf she is even saying in that quote but there was not a mask mandate in NYC before she announced this and nowhere in her quote does she say there WAS a mask mandate. The more restrictive she is talking about is the vaccine mandates to enter restaurants, gyms, entertainment venues, etc.

Now she ADDED a mask mandate to the places that DON'T have a vaccine mandate (offices, stores, etc).

Not sure why I have to spell this out.

 
jobarules said:
Yeah I can read too. I have no clue wtf she is even saying in that quote but there was not a mask mandate in NYC before she announced this and nowhere in her quote does she say there WAS a mask mandate. The more restrictive she is talking about is the vaccine mandates to enter restaurants, gyms, entertainment venues, etc.

Now she ADDED a mask mandate to the places that DON'T have a vaccine mandate (offices, stores, etc).

Not sure why I have to spell this out.
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Part of the confusion here is that DeBlasio apparently had already announced some additional restrictions that were coming but hadn't kicked in yet at the time that the governor announced her new restrictions. I believe the way to interpret Hochul's statement is that her new requirements were duplicative of the restrictions that DeBlasio announced were coming after Christmas.

 
fatguyinalittlecoat said:
Part of the confusion here is that DeBlasio apparently had already announced some additional restrictions that were coming but hadn't kicked in yet at the time that the governor announced her new restrictions. I believe the way to interpret Hochul's statement is that her new requirements were duplicative of the restrictions that DeBlasio announced were coming after Christmas.
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DeBlasio never announced a mask mandate though

https://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/details-on-nyc-vaccine-mandate-revealed-5334039/

 
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IvanKaramazov said:
The PSF version of this thread got locked, which was understandable.  But that doesn't bode well for the future of this thread.  There's no longer a good safety valve where people can get the political stuff out of their system.
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Exactly. Which is why I posted that. Some people can't help themselves. So, best to just ignore any kind of political related talk, mandates, etc, and stick to things that are actually useful and helpful as this thread is a good source of information for many.

 
gianmarco said:
Exactly. Which is why I posted that. Some people can't help themselves. So, best to just ignore any kind of political related talk, mandates, etc, and stick to things that are actually useful and helpful as this thread is a good source of information for many.
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Can you provide a flow chart ofwhen to listen to a doctor's guidance and when not to based on your opinion? TIA

 
Shady's continued trajectory toward "unhinged" seems to be accelerating.
 

Hopefully he can find some help in dealing with this stuff... genuinely getting a little worried for the guy. :unsure:  

 
gianmarco said:
Exactly. Which is why I posted that. Some people can't help themselves. So, best to just ignore any kind of political related talk, mandates, etc, and stick to things that are actually useful and helpful as this thread is a good source of information for many.
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Thank you. Please let's not have what happened to the other thread happen to this one.

What @gianmarco said is exactly the right thing. If you see something that's clearly stirring the pot, just ignore please. 

 
I definitely think I would view this pandemic vastly differently if I:

- Lived in a blue state

- Didn’t WFH

- Was a healthcare professional

- Was an employer

- Had small kids

- Was immunocompromised

- Was younger 

I think there’s so many variables and so many different viewpoints based on my personal situation.   Probably important for all of us to remember that.

 
CDC data indicate Omicron is starting to eat into Delta’s U.S. dominance

  • Experts have said it appears Omicron is taking over faster than Delta did as it became dominant globally earlier this year.
Which seems like it might be ok if it's causing less severe disease, right? NOPE.

  • Some U.S. health systems are already inundated by Covid-19 cases from Delta and are facing staff shortages. Even a small increase in severe Covid-19 infections could threaten care in more places.
Current data from South Africa — which had some of the first detected Omicron cases — indicate that Omicron is causing milder infections than other forms of the coronavirus, perhaps not because of a change in the virus’ inherent virulence, but because prior infections and vaccinations are keeping people from developing serious illness. But experts caution that by leading to more cases overall, better spreading viruses can cause higher numbers of severe infections, even if the rate of serious disease is lower.
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I've been looking for information on recommendations for boosters for people that were vaccinated and then got covid.   There's a decent amount of information relating to hybrid immunity where someone got covid then got vaxxed, but not for people that had breakthrough cases.

Ran across this:

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The opinion?  Ambivalent, which is what I got from my doc as well ("you may as well get one" was pretty much his take).

So what about a person's level of protection for the opposite scenario — when a fully vaccinated person later has a breakthrough infection? "You would presumably have superior immunity at this point," says Dr. Gregory Poland, director of the Mayo Clinic's Vaccine Research Group.

Most likely, this brand of hybrid immunity would rival what's seen in people who recovered from COVID-19 and then got vaccinated, but there could be subtle differences in the details of the immune response, says Wherry. "But these things that might be different may not matter for any given person to ward off the next infection."

All of this needs to be studied to arrive at a more conclusive answer. Until then, the takeaway is the same regardless of how you arrived at hybrid immunity: There's no great urgency to get a booster for people who are otherwise healthy and low-risk. But if you're higher risk due to underlying conditions, or live or work closely with someone who is, it could be a good added layer of protection for you and those around you.

"The potential benefits of it providing greater immunity are there and the risks are small," says Wesemann. "I would probably recommend it for a group of individuals that I thought were at high risk."
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I was listening to some analysis of the currently available studies and generally this is what we’re looking at:

Boosted: May test positive, symptomatic infection unlikely.

2-Doses Only: Symptomatic infection likely, severe illness TBD

Unvaccinated: Symptomatic infection highly likely, severe illness TBD

Previous infection likely will follow the risks of 2-doses completed.

We’re likely to see huge jumps in infections but it’s yet to be determined if that will result in a spike in hospitalizations especially in the unvaccinated and the unboosted. That will determine the level of concern we need to have. With many states already experiencing hospital capacity issues, it won’t take much.

 
#### getting real again here. Big private school in the area cancelled mid-terms and started their winter break early, and our county schools just cancelled all sports/clubs/after school activities until at least January 15th.

 
Had a "close contact" on Sunday from 1:00-4:00 when we had a group of kids and dads out for lunch and some ax throwing.  One of the other dads had some sinus issues the next day and went to get a rapid test that came back positive and he let us know right away.  PCR test came back positive yesterday.  Me and my son have had no symptoms.  We'll be visiting family this weekend so I went for a rapid test today that came back negative.  I've heard you should wait 3-5 days after potential exposure to be tested and that was at the three day mark.  Now wondering if I'm ok or if it was too soon.  I also grabbed and OTC home rapid test and will take again on Friday (5 day mark) before we leave on Saturday.

 
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Testing capacity an issue in UK already. 

I'd consider grabbing some at home tests for the next couple months if you think you might need them. 

We like to test before and after travel, or before we might be visiting someone who's at risk, etc... so we always keep some on hand. 

 
Lehigh98 said:
Had a "close contact" on Sunday from 1:00-4:00 when we had a group of kids and dads out for lunch and some ax throwing.  One of the other dads had some sinus issues the next day and went to get a rapid test that came back positive and he let us know right away.  PCR test came back positive yesterday.  Me and my son have had no symptoms.  We'll be visiting family this weekend so I went for a rapid test today that came back negative.  I've heard you should wait 3-5 days after potential exposure to be tested and that was at the three day mark.  Now wondering if I'm ok or if it was too soon.  I also grabbed and OTC home rapid test and will take again on Friday (5 day mark) before we leave on Saturday.
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Vacc'd? Boosted?* Extremely important info for advice.

If both, I would accept the results of the OTC Rapid Test on day 5.

*previous covid (Natural Immunity) plus vaccination would also be important info.

 
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