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*** OFFICIAL *** COVID-19 CoronaVirus Thread. Fresh epidemic fears as child pneumonia cases surge in Europe after China outbreak. NOW in USA (16 Viewers)
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IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
For some of us, it was never political. I don't know why people chose to go that route, but any individual person was always free to choose otherwise.
ZADO
Footballguy
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Right. It isn't about the risk to the kids necessarily, but these kids are the ones bringing it home to their families in a lot of cases.
The kids shouldnt have to bear the brunt of bringing it to their families now that everyone has had a chance to get vaccinated and boosted. Enough is enough already. Especially when kids are wearing cloth masks and consistently wearing them incorrectly as it is. Kids in NY schools have to wear masks OUTDOORS as well. No science involved there.
Doug B
Footballguy
There's actually been a contingent of health professionals on Fox News -- at least on the drive-time straight news programming** -- that have been pretty much in line with health experts from mainstream media. I have not noticed this huge red-vs-blue gulf between the various networks' health experts.
Once you start talking about opinion programming, "infotainment" and such ... yes, that's been a different story.
** during my drives, I like to switch between CNN and Fox to compare coverage on various topics.
Terminalxylem
Footballguy
Politics or not, personal experience, especially urban versus rural living, greatly influences perceptions about the pandemic being “over”, and the necessity for NPIs.
Terminalxylem
Footballguy
Yes, I take care of covid patients, participated in our hospital’s covid task force, and receive almost daily updates on bed status, including covid inpatients.
How do you determine the status of your local, state and national healthcare infrastructure?
the moops
Footballguy
Hmm. He seemed to be in full support of universal masking and lockdowns.
Makary was vocal that the United States needed to take the threat of COVID-19 seriously and that people should stop all non-essential travel. He warned of disruptions to both the United State healthcare system and to people's daily lives. In addition Makary called for a national lockdown to help slow the spread of the virus and enable the healthcare system to respond and reduce mobility and mortality.[35] In May 2020, Makary advocated for universal masking in an effort to enable businesses and schools to re-open to minimize economic and educational damage across the United States.[36] In May 2020, it was still debated by many in the scientific community as to whether masks provided much protection against infection[37][38][39], however high-quality masking has proven an effective measure at limiting the spread of COVID-19.
jamny
Footballguy
I like how you conveniently left off the beginning of the paragraph "In February 2020,"
I think it was logical to have these opinions in the first months of the virus.
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Kids don’t have a choice if they are drivers of community spread. They sit in close contact with dozens of other kids for 30-40 hours per week. The only way to change that would be remote learning and I think we can all agree that’s not the best thing for them.
You also seem to like to telling people not to equate what’s happening in their area to the entire country but you’re doing exactly that with the NYC numbers. Arizona is at 12.5% positivity and many other areas of the country are just as high. It’s great that NYC has gotten their positive rate down so low. That indicates that they have aggressive testing and that the mandates and restrictions that you hate so much work. And as a hub of international travel, your city will likely be on the front end of the next wave and you shouldn’t be surprised when those restrictions come back, but you will.
You constantly complain about the mandates and restrictions but then praise how low the positivity rates are and how the hospitals weren’t as bad as other areas of the country. Why do you struggle to understand those two things are tied together?
Battersbox
Footballguy
I haven't looked in a while, but I've read many times over that this hasn't driven spread across European countries where masking kids has been rare. Moreover, increased cases across communities hasn't correlated with unmasked parts of this country either. Waves come and go irrespective of kids masking in schools, for the most part.
I posted an article and commented on an article about NY mask mandates in school. Im talking strictly about NYC.
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Insoxicated
It's just another example of horribly flawed binary thinking some of us keep trying to push back on, to no avail.
Looking at things in shades of grey.... applying regionality.....these factors impact everything
Testing still plays a key role in identifying and isolating sick folks to reduce outbreaks. After several waves you'd think folks would learn... alas, here we are.
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Mask mandates should be regionally applied based on levels of community spread. This isn't hard.
IMO it's too early to lift Mask mandates on aircraft just yet. We're still seeing areas with very high community spread, and Omicron is showing signs of higher risk of recurring infection.
Coach Morris Buttermaker
Footballguy
Cases are higher now than a year ago, so why are certain states eliminating the mask mandates? It really isn't hard to figure out. And why mandate a whole state, if should be "regionally applied". The boonies in the state of Washington will never be the same as cities like Seattle.
Never said testing didnt play a key role.
I said having test kits delivered a month AFTER the Omicron wave was worthless.
A month ago they would have been invaluable.
Now anyone can goto the store to buy them and anyone can go get a quick rapid test if they feel one is necessary. Also, schools are sending kids home with test kits regularly. Now these plethora of kits will be sitting in our medicine cabinets for months probably.
Their worth went from invaluable to nothing.
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The Commish
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Anyone who has extra tests, I'll take donations here in Florida...we'll need them for the next 4-5 weeks it seems. Assuming a new variant doesn't pop up in the meantime. Still not readily available here.
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Insoxicated
1) You said they're worthless. That's wrong.... case loads are higher than Delta still in many (most) regions.
2) Yes they would have been more valuable before Omicron... but anyone thinking this is 100% behind us clearly hasn't been paying attention. It's not "valuable or worthless". They still are very useful now, and will likely be very useful for many families in the near future.
3) I'd wager at least a quarter of the US population either can't afford the $50 for a few tests, or aren't inclined/able to go buy/find them. Putting tests in people's hands WILL help contain spread, and WILL save lives.
Again.. saying they're "worthless" or "nothing" is a fantastic example of the flawed binary thinking we're talking about.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
We've been in this mode almost since day 1 on what people find acceptable. We had 2,777 people die from COVID yesterday in the US (per Worldometer). I'm not saying anybody is wrong or right about any of this but it's obvious to me that this is an exercise in what people find to be acceptable. I've been fairly vocal about things in my area being essentially back to pre-pandemic for over a year now. My area has essentially concluded that what has gone on during that year is acceptable. Again, I'm not making a judgement on right or wrong - it just is. Talking heads and TV experts do the same (and usually more to cater to their audience). If I told everyone 3k people would die tomorrow from X there's always going to be a certain segment that panics.
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Exactly his point. They aren't worthless for now. The choices are not worthless or invaluable. They are less critical right now, but still plenty valuable. It's not binary.
I believe this is a reimbursement program. For most people who would find the expense too much, I would suspect the vast majority are just going to skip the purchase rather than tie the money up and then jump through the hoops with the insurance company.
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I don't even know why I'm engaging you on this but I've got a bit of time during this video shoot so I'll bite:
So you think there aren't many places in the US with higher average daily cases than during the meat of Delta?
never change buddy
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Insoxicated
I'll answer:
I clearly stated in my post "Our positivity rate is below 4% though "
I'm clearly talking about my current area.
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Insoxicated
You mean in New York State where daily new cases are in line with the Delta Peak?
or are we talking about your neighborhood?
Yeah and life was pretty normal during the Delta peak here. I didn't know a single person sick then. There were no lines for tests either. So yeah. Also, Im talking about NYC. WTF would I care the positivity rate in Albany?
jamny
Footballguy
For me, its always been reassuring hearing from a voice of reason like Makary and others on Fox, especially when confronted with some of the illogical decisions being made by politicians and other medical experts. Like maybe not fire people who have had previous infections who refuse a vaccine. They have natural immunity, they should be in the front line and praised not vilified. Makary and Johns Hopkins did a study showing that 99% of those previously infected have natural immunity that lasted at least 650 days. As he put it, it should be a discussion about the immune and non-immune, not vaccinated and unvaccinated. Or to consider that maybe a single dose was all that was needed for kids and maybe masks weren't needed in every situation. Or maybe that mandates aren't the right approach. Or that we should have started to open up more in places like NYC in May 2020 or soon after. Or that ramping up testing was needed before it became common thinking around the holidays. Or that the lockdowns were hurting people and businesses more than is necessary, which is now also being shown to be true. I thank Marty Makary, Nicole Saphier, Marc Seigel, Janette Nesheiwat and probably some others for keeping a level head throughout and providing solid, understandable and reasonable opinions and responses to questions since the very beginning. They may not have been 100% accurate but they really helped in getting through this against an onslaught of contradictory opinions, especially from the Fauci devotees. I've never bashed Fauci but the reliance on some to make him and the CDC the be all and end all has been a frustrating part of this.
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Insoxicated
Well that makes much more sense.
You can Continue to keep us up-to-date on the impact of Covid on your neighborhood, and we can ignore your analysis/viewpoints unless we happen to be visiting your neighborhood.
Then the rest of us can continue to focus on a more macro level discussing the state/national and global implications.
glad we got that cleared up, I'm not sure why I assumed you were talking about the pandemic as a whole rather than just your neighborhood. My bad.
Me neither
Also, LMAO at calling NYC with its 9m people a "neighborhood". Talk about being disingenuous.
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Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
belljr
Footballguy
Not that I have seen.... not saying that I know.....
Omni B seems to be pretty much the same as A but allegedly more contagious but all the stuff that keeps A from spread/seriousness is the same for B - for now. I don;t think its a concern currently like Omnicron was in general
skol asylum
Footballguy
I work for a healthcare system, albeit in it's postacute office support side and inhome. These are real issues.
The Captain
Footballguy
I doubt this is over anytime soon. 
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
#kf94-eva
The kid sizes have been great, too (6 y.o. is required to wear them at school; 11 y.o. is allowed to ditch them, but has told us he prefers to keep wearing them). The 11-year-old had grown to like his cloth mask, and he initially complained about the "smell" of the KF94, but now he seems to have gotten used to it. For his brother, we got a set with a truck pattern on it and he loves it.
I hadn't realized KF94s were starting to have the same counterfeit problems as KN95s, although I suppose it was inevitable. I've ordered a couple different brands and had generally positive experiences. The only time it went wrong was the first order I ever placed, where I didn't know to look for adjustable loops and had to buy some of those connectors that go around the back of your head in order to get a good fit. But once I switched to adjustable loops, the fit was perfect. Last week I had to go into my office and I decided to experiment with the one N95 I own. I found it to be a much less pleasant experience.
The kid sizes have been great, too (6 y.o. is required to wear them at school; 11 y.o. is allowed to ditch them, but has told us he prefers to keep wearing them). The 11-year-old had grown to like his cloth mask, and he initially complained about the "smell" of the KF94, but now he seems to have gotten used to it. For his brother, we got a set with a truck pattern on it and he loves it.
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Heart-disease risk soars after COVID — even with a mild case
Massive study shows a long-term, substantial rise in risk of cardiovascular disease, including heart attack and stroke, after a SARS-CoV-2 infection.
Study: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35132265/
Nature Article: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-00403-0#ref-CR1
Even a mild case of COVID-19 can increase a person’s risk of cardiovascular problems for at least a year after diagnosis, a new study1shows. Researchers found that rates of many conditions, such as heart failure and stroke, were substantially higher in people who had recovered from COVID-19 than in similar people who hadn’t had the disease.
What’s more, the risk was elevated even for those who were under 65 years of age and lacked risk factors, such as obesity or diabetes.
“It doesn’t matter if you are young or old, it doesn’t matter if you smoked, or you didn’t,” says study co-author Ziyad Al-Aly at Washington University in St. Louis, Missouri, and the chief of research and development for the Veterans Affairs (VA) St. Louis Health Care System. “The risk was there.”
Al-Aly and his colleagues based their research on an extensive health-record database curated by the United States Department of Veterans Affairs (VA). The researchers compared more than 150,000 veterans who survived for at least 30 days after contracting COVID-19 with two groups of uninfected people: a group of more than five million people who used the VA medical system during the pandemic, and a similarly sized group that used the system in 2017, before SARS-CoV-2 was circulating.
Troubled hearts
People who had recovered from COVID-19 showed stark increases in 20 cardiovascular problems over the year after infection. For example, they were 52% more likely to have had a stroke than the contemporary control group, meaning that, out of every 1,000 people studied, there were around 4 more people in the COVID-19 group than in the control group who experienced stroke.
The risk of heart failure increased by 72%, or around 12 more people in the COVID-19 group per 1,000 studied. Hospitalization increased the likelihood of future cardiovascular complications, but even people who avoided hospitalization were at higher risk for many conditions.
“I am actually surprised by these findings that cardiovascular complications of COVID can last so long,” Hossein Ardehali, a cardiologist at Northwestern University in Chicago, Illinois, wrote in an e-mail to Nature. Because severe disease increased the risk of complications much more than mild disease, Ardehali wrote, “it is important that those who are not vaccinated get their vaccine immediately”.
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Carries the usual caveats associated with observational studies, but scale is significant. As always, the smart strategy is to not get COVID via vaccination and mitigation efforts like Masking/Distancing where appropriate.
Massive study shows a long-term, substantial rise in risk of cardiovascular disease, including heart attack and stroke, after a SARS-CoV-2 infection.
Study: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35132265/
Nature Article: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-00403-0#ref-CR1
Even a mild case of COVID-19 can increase a person’s risk of cardiovascular problems for at least a year after diagnosis, a new study1shows. Researchers found that rates of many conditions, such as heart failure and stroke, were substantially higher in people who had recovered from COVID-19 than in similar people who hadn’t had the disease.
What’s more, the risk was elevated even for those who were under 65 years of age and lacked risk factors, such as obesity or diabetes.
“It doesn’t matter if you are young or old, it doesn’t matter if you smoked, or you didn’t,” says study co-author Ziyad Al-Aly at Washington University in St. Louis, Missouri, and the chief of research and development for the Veterans Affairs (VA) St. Louis Health Care System. “The risk was there.”
Al-Aly and his colleagues based their research on an extensive health-record database curated by the United States Department of Veterans Affairs (VA). The researchers compared more than 150,000 veterans who survived for at least 30 days after contracting COVID-19 with two groups of uninfected people: a group of more than five million people who used the VA medical system during the pandemic, and a similarly sized group that used the system in 2017, before SARS-CoV-2 was circulating.
Troubled hearts
People who had recovered from COVID-19 showed stark increases in 20 cardiovascular problems over the year after infection. For example, they were 52% more likely to have had a stroke than the contemporary control group, meaning that, out of every 1,000 people studied, there were around 4 more people in the COVID-19 group than in the control group who experienced stroke.
The risk of heart failure increased by 72%, or around 12 more people in the COVID-19 group per 1,000 studied. Hospitalization increased the likelihood of future cardiovascular complications, but even people who avoided hospitalization were at higher risk for many conditions.
“I am actually surprised by these findings that cardiovascular complications of COVID can last so long,” Hossein Ardehali, a cardiologist at Northwestern University in Chicago, Illinois, wrote in an e-mail to Nature. Because severe disease increased the risk of complications much more than mild disease, Ardehali wrote, “it is important that those who are not vaccinated get their vaccine immediately”.
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Carries the usual caveats associated with observational studies, but scale is significant. As always, the smart strategy is to not get COVID via vaccination and mitigation efforts like Masking/Distancing where appropriate.
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ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
LOL. I did a deep dive on masks at some point in late '20/early '21. At the time I was working at a job that required me to come into the office for no reason other than bureaucratic inertia. They had a mask policy that half the office, including most of the senior leadership, didn't follow. They refused to let us work from home when there were positive cases in the office, even when one of those was the cleaning lady who interacted with everyone. Meanwhile, this was shortly after my father-in-law died from Covid and we were driving up every weekend to see my immunocompromised mother-in-law, unless there had been a scare at my office in which case we were disinvited.
All of which is to say it was a very stressful time and I felt like I had to control the things I could in order to keep myself and my loved ones safe. Since we all got vaccinated I've spent a lot less time worrying about masks, other than upgrading our kids' masks when Omicron was cranking up and all the experts were saying to ditch cloth.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
where are you finding the kids ones?
I have some KN95s for kids, but I suspect they are ####.
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