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*** OFFICIAL *** COVID-19 CoronaVirus Thread. Fresh epidemic fears as child pneumonia cases surge in Europe after China outbreak. NOW in USA (8 Viewers)

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ignatiusjreilly said:
Meanwhile, I have another flight on Thursday. This one is solo, but I'm going to meet up with my best friend from childhood, who has multiple myeloma. Given that we're going to be sharing a hotel room, I feel like I should mask up again for the flight. If I only had myself to think of I'm not sure I would (although there is a part of me that thinks I may just wear masks on planes going forward, Asian-style).
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Off to see my friend tomorrow. I had free tickets to a super expensive conference today that would have been a good opportunity for me professionally, but I decided not to go. Partly that was because I had a million things I needed to get done before my trip tomorrow, but mostly it was because of my friend. It's one thing for me to decide on my own level of risk tolerance, but what sealed it for me was when I asked myself how I would feel if I somehow ended up infecting him.

 
ignatiusjreilly said:
Off to see my friend tomorrow. I had free tickets to a super expensive conference today that would have been a good opportunity for me professionally, but I decided not to go. Partly that was because I had a million things I needed to get done before my trip tomorrow, but mostly it was because of my friend. It's one thing for me to decide on my own level of risk tolerance, but what sealed it for me was when I asked myself how I would feel if I somehow ended up infecting him.
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I get this and in the same situation, I would take extra precaution. However, before taking on the responsibility for what happens to him, have you spoken to him about it? He is obviously willing to take some level of risk in sharing a room with you. Is he doing this because he knows you have been cautious, are planning to wear a mask on the plane and would cancel attending a conference for his safety? Or is he taking similar risks elsewhere with people who are not being cautious?

In a somewhat similar situation, my parents came to visit a few weeks ago. On the morning before they left for the 10 hour drive, I asked if they wanted us to take Covid tests and they said it was not necessary. Now I know that they were visiting with other immediate and extended family prior to the visit to us, and they were not taking any real level of precaution. But, I would feel horrible if we gave them Covid and one of them had a serious case. Offering the test reduced some level of guilt if it would have happened.

 
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Dragons said:
I get this and in the same situation, I would take extra precaution. However, before taking on the responsibility for what happens to him, have you spoken to him about it? He is obviously willing to take some level of risk in sharing a room with you. Is he doing this because he knows you have been cautious, are planning to wear a mask on the plane and would cancel attending a conference for his safety? Or is he taking similar risks elsewhere with people who are not being cautious?
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All good points. I did ask him about my going to the conference, and he said it was up to me. And yes, his own risk tolerance is obviously high enough that he's willing to share the hotel with me, although he asked me to mask on the plane (I was already planning to) and I think we are only going to eat at outdoor restaurants when we're together. We're also going to take rapid tests as soon as he picks me up at the airport (though I'm not sure what we'll do if one of us is positive).

I think he knows I've generally been safe, and also that he ultimately can't control everything about my activities. I think in the end, this is my decision based on my risk tolerance for him. That is, how much risk I am willing to expose him to.

 
belljr said:
Still rising
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Of course it is.  The new subvariants are more contagious and are re-infecting people with vaccines and natural immunity.  

Meanwhile, we as a nation are collectively doing cartwheels and dancing in celebration over not having to wear a mask anymore.  

 
Scoresman said:
Of course it is.  The new subvariants are more contagious and are re-infecting people with vaccines and natural immunity.  

Meanwhile, we as a nation are collectively doing cartwheels and dancing in celebration over not having to wear a mask anymore.  
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Lets shut down the economy again. That worked so well the first time.

 
ignatiusjreilly said:
All good points. I did ask him about my going to the conference, and he said it was up to me. And yes, his own risk tolerance is obviously high enough that he's willing to share the hotel with me, although he asked me to mask on the plane (I was already planning to) and I think we are only going to eat at outdoor restaurants when we're together. We're also going to take rapid tests as soon as he picks me up at the airport (though I'm not sure what we'll do if one of us is positive).

I think he knows I've generally been safe, and also that he ultimately can't control everything about my activities. I think in the end, this is my decision based on my risk tolerance for him. That is, how much risk I am willing to expose him to.
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This is a conversation we had with my 84-year-old MIL over the holidays.  She had a cancer scare right as the pandemic began in spring 2020 and her treatments likely impacted her immune system.  So we had been extremely cautious for nearly two years in all of our interactions.  Last fall, as Omicron was getting geared up we asked her how she wanted to handle the holidays.  She said she was almost 84 and she was going to have her holidays be normal.  She was completely ok with assuming the risks involved (she is also vaxxed four times and her immune system has probably recovered from the cancer treatments for the most part).  She basically said she may not have very many more holidays so let's have a good time.  Of course worrierqueen and I caught COVID at a function that she attended and she remained unscathed.  But she was 100% okay with assuming the risk.  

 
Scoresman said:
The mandates were crap because they didn't mandate the right kind of masks.  It's more about common sense than mandates at this point.  Anyone with a brain can see that this isn't quite over yet.  
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Fauci and the FDA both declared it was over and should be treated like the flu now. Guess they dont have brains now.

Its over. Yeah people can still catch it but nobody is getting hospitalized by it anymore. Unless you are immuno supressed or unvaxxed or have never gotten it before. 

 
jobarules said:
Fauci and the FDA both declared it was over and should be treated like the flu now. Guess they dont have brains now.

Its over. Yeah people can still catch it but nobody is getting hospitalized by it anymore. Unless you are immuno supressed or unvaxxed or have never gotten it before. 
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Or care about long covid.

 
jobarules said:
Nope, Omicron and vaccine reduce those chances. Youre the only one nervous about that now 

You dont lose your sense of smell with Omicron. This aint 2020
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Do you have anything supporting this?  I know it's reduced chance with Omicron but it's still a thing as far as I know and frankly scary as hell.  Anecdotally, I know 3 people who had Omicron back in January and still have long covid issues, 2 of them specifically have lingering taste loss.  They have to do this thing for an hour everyday where they smell scents like mint and rosemary in hopes they can train their senses to relearn these things.  Sounds awful to me.  

 
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Scoresman said:
Do you have anything supporting this?  I know it's reduced chance with Omicron but it's still a thing as far as I know and frankly scary as hell.  Anecdotally, I know 3 people who had Omicron back in January and still have long covid issues, 2 of them specifically have lingering taste loss.  
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https://www.newsnationnow.com/us-news/does-omicron-cause-loss-of-smell-or-taste/

Losing your sense of taste or smell used to be the telltale sign that you weren’t sick with a cold or the flu – it was almost certainly COVID-19. It was also one of the symptoms found to last longest, often weeks or months after someone otherwise recovers.

But the omicron variant seems to be setting itself apart from prior variants by sparing more people’s sense of taste and smell.

One study released by the U.K. Health Security Agency Friday found that loss of smell or taste occurred in about 13% of omicron cases tracked by the country’s National Health Service. For people infected with the delta variant, the U.K. health agency found loss of smell or taste happened in about 34% of cases.
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Scoresman said:
Those are still percentages I don't want to play around with.  You stated it didn't happen with Omicron.  13% is not negligible enough for me to declare it a non-threat. 

And this is just one aspect of long covid.  If you manage to keep your sense of taste, great! Now hope you don't get lingering brain fog, shortness of breath, or random pain!  
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Theres a reason "we as a nation are collectively doing cartwheels and dancing in celebration over not having to wear a mask anymore." Its because its over for everyone except the hypochondriacs. Im vaxxed and boosted and have been celebrating the end of the pandemic by enjoying my mask free life back to normal again!

 
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Bottom line,

millions and millions of vaccinated people are not scared about COVID anymore. Why shouldnt they be celebrating the end of the pandemic era? Why should your unjustified feelings about Long Covid outweigh the millions upon millions who arent scared? Heck wear a N95, KN95, and cloth mask all you want. Stop pushing your anxiety on to everyone else. 

 
jobarules said:
Bottom line,

millions and millions of vaccinated people are not scared about COVID anymore. Why shouldnt they be celebrating the end of the pandemic era? Why should your unjustified feelings about Long Covid outweigh the millions upon millions who arent scared? Heck wear a N95, KN95, and cloth mask all you want. Stop pushing your anxiety on to everyone else. 
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Why do you keep posting in here? It's over, go do cartwheels.

 
My upcoming trip notwithstanding, on an individual level I'm mostly with Joba in terms of getting back to normal, not wearing masks in my day-to-day life and not worrying about Covid even if I do test positive. I'd prefer not to get it, but I'm not going to rearrange my life to ensure it doesn't happen. That said, it does sometimes feel like events are conspiring to prevent me from getting too comfortable. Just this past week, we had a mini-outbreak in my office; they closed everything down and sent us back to fully remote for the time being.  Then my wife found out she had a close contact just as we were arriving to visit our elderly relatives (fortunately everyone tested negative).

Meanwhile, at a public policy level, I sure hope elected officials aren't acting like it's over. This virus clearly has a few more curves to throw at us, and based on past experience the moment when we all take our collective eyes off the ball is exactly when bad things start happening. Not saying we need to reinstitute lockdowns or even mask mandates, but the fact that new Covid funding doesn't seem to be getting prioritized has me very concerned

 
ignatiusjreilly said:
My upcoming trip notwithstanding, on an individual level I'm mostly with Joba in terms of getting back to normal, not wearing masks in my day-to-day life and not worrying about Covid even if I do test positive. I'd prefer not to get it, but I'm not going to rearrange my life to ensure it doesn't happen. That said, it does sometimes feel like events are conspiring to prevent me from getting too comfortable. Just this past week, we had a mini-outbreak in my office; they closed everything down and sent us back to fully remote for the time being.  Then my wife found out she had a close contact just as we were arriving to visit our elderly relatives (fortunately everyone tested negative).

Meanwhile, at a public policy level, I sure hope elected officials aren't acting like it's over. This virus clearly has a few more curves to throw at us, and based on past experience the moment when we all take our collective eyes off the ball is exactly when bad things start happening. Not saying we need to reinstitute lockdowns or even mask mandates, but the fact that new Covid funding doesn't seem to be getting prioritized has me very concerned
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I HATE getting sick (who likes it lol) but now that Im fully vaxxed and boosted Im treating COVID like any other illness (flu, cold, strep throat, etc). If your sick stay TF away from me. If Im sick, Ill stay home. Yeah, if Im going on a week long vacation, I cross my fingers I dont get sick. But Im not treating this any differently or having panic attacks like some people still seem to be having. Lifes too short to worry about things you cant control, Catching COVID is something you cant control (unless you wanna live in a bubble your whole life). Preventing getting very sick is something you can control (I was first in line to get vaxxed). Yeah, the #s are going up. That was always bound to happen. Guess what, it will keep happening. To still worry about this right now is mind boggling.

 
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jobarules said:
I HATE getting sick (who likes it lol) but now that Im fully vaxxed and boosted Im treating COVID like any other illness (flu, cold, strep throat, etc). If your sick stay TF away from me. If Im sick, Ill stay home. Yeah, if Im going on a week long vacation, I cross my fingers I dont get sick. But Im not treating this any differently or having panic attacks like some people still seem to be having. Lifes too short to worry about things you cant control, Catching COVID is something you cant control (unless you wanna live in a bubble your whole life). Preventing getting very sick is something you can control (I was first in line to get vaxxed). Yeah, the #s are going up. That was always bound to happen. Guess what, it will keep happening. To still worry about this right now is mind boggling.
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I'm not too far apart from you in this thinking.  What sets COVID apart for me at this point is long covid, which makes it different from any other illness.  I can deal with getting sick for a week or so. I'm not worried about dying or even going to the hospital if I got COVID at this point.  But the thought of lingering symptoms, some of which are not minor, is scary to me.  It is good news that long COVID seems to get rarer and rarer with each new variant, but it's still far too prevalent for me to drop precautions (masking in crowded/indoor areas).

 
jobarules said:
I HATE getting sick (who likes it lol) but now that Im fully vaxxed and boosted Im treating COVID like any other illness (flu, cold, strep throat, etc). If your sick stay TF away from me. If Im sick, Ill stay home. Yeah, if Im going on a week long vacation, I cross my fingers I dont get sick. But Im not treating this any differently or having panic attacks like some people still seem to be having. Lifes too short to worry about things you cant control, Catching COVID is something you cant control (unless you wanna live in a bubble your whole life). Preventing getting very sick is something you can control (I was first in line to get vaxxed). Yeah, the #s are going up. That was always bound to happen. Guess what, it will keep happening. To still worry about this right now is mind boggling.
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So why not wear a mask on a plane/train and certain crowded indoor venues when cases are rising?  Seems a prudent way of tamping down spread until the next variant and vaccine booster.

 
jobarules said:
That wasnt the only point they made and you know it. It needs to be treated as endemic now and part of life. Lets stop overreacting to every case of COVID.
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I agree with this. Single cases are not all that extraordinary. Covid is, for the most part, not a thing I think about often these days. Or it isn't a thing until I get emails from my kids school like we have gotten for the past week telling us how many kids and staff members have tested positive. It's been nuts. 20/30 kids and both teachers positive in the past week. 10/30 kids and both teachers in the other class. Our kids are vaccinated and the policy is they have to do nothing different, so we are just chugging along but the case numbers are staggering.

And yet nobody in our house has gotten it yet. Somehow

 
Leeroy Jenkins said:
So why not wear a mask on a plane/train and certain crowded indoor venues when cases are rising?  Seems a prudent way of tamping down spread until the next variant and vaccine booster.
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Because wearing a masks sucks.  They are uncomfortable.  They make any allergies or cough worse because you're breathing different if you are not used to wearing a mask all the time.  All magnified by the length of the flight.  No thanks.  

 
I know 5 year olds who actually get excited to wear masks (because they have Barney on them or whatever).  So I kind of roll my eyes when grown adults complain about masks at this point.  

 
So I went to the Pearl Jam concert and before hand crowded restaurant for a drink and bite to eat. Chanced it all with no mask which is a big change for me. Hoping I didn't screw up and catch it and spread to the fam. 

 
jobarules said:
Bottom line,

millions and millions of vaccinated people are not scared about COVID anymore. Why shouldnt they be celebrating the end of the pandemic era? Why should your unjustified feelings about Long Covid outweigh the millions upon millions who arent scared? Heck wear a N95, KN95, and cloth mask all you want. Stop pushing your anxiety on to everyone else. 
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Exactly right

 
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