I just checked the "immunocompromised" box on the form when I made my appointment at the pharmacy, and had no issues.
I'm 49 and my wife is truly immunocompromised, so I don't feel too badly about cheating
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I'm 49 and my wife is truly immunocompromised, so I don't feel too badly about cheating
ignatiusjreilly
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I'm almost 49 and did the same thing earlier today when I scheduled my booster for tomorrow afternoon at CVS. I did recently spend a week in the ICU with a pulmonary embolism, but by this point I don't actually think I'm at any higher risk because of it. In any event, my general experience has been that pharmacies really aren't in the business of denying people shots these days.
@Doug B is there a reason your wife doesn't want to just check the box? Is it like a moral thing where she doesn't want to lie?
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ignatiusjreilly
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As evidenced by my previous post, I said #### it earlier today and scheduled my second booster. With everything I've been reading about BA.5, I just couldn't think of a good reason not to. Hopefully, even if the increased protection is short-lived, it will get me through the worst of this latest wave
Also, after getting Pfizer for my first three shots, I went with Moderna this time. Don't think it will make any difference but figured I might as well switch things up
IvanKaramazov
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You shouldn't feel bad at all about looking out for your own health care. The 50 year-old cutoff is arbitrary, vaccine supplies are abundant, and nobody has the right to tell you not to get a vaccine if you judge that the net benefit of the vaccine is worth it to you. If anybody tells you otherwise, #### 'em. Those same people will turn around and scream at you if don't rush out to get that exact same booster on your 50th birthday.nysfl2 said:
That said, I am actually waiting until my 50th birthday because that's about three weeks from now and I'd rather just wait than play this stupid game with my pharmacist.
Leeroy Jenkins
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Anecdotally, the people I know with COVID now are having a much harder time than my family did in May and the people that I knew who got sick in the spring. Fever, night sweats through clothes/sheets, cough, bad sore throat without feeling any better after 4 days.
Nathan R. Jessep
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FDA authorizes Novavax Covid vaccine, in hopes the traditional shot will convince holdouts
The Food and Drug Administration on Wednesday authorized the Covid-19 vaccine developed by Novavax, a small Maryland biotech firm, for people 18 and over, voicing hope that the availability of a more traditional vaccine might help convince those skeptical of the Covid shots using new mRNA technology to get inoculated.
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The new authorization is for a series of two shots, separated by three weeks, in unvaccinated people. It does not cover the use of the Novavax vaccine as a booster shot, which the agency will need to evaluate separately.
The Food and Drug Administration on Wednesday authorized the Covid-19 vaccine developed by Novavax, a small Maryland biotech firm, for people 18 and over, voicing hope that the availability of a more traditional vaccine might help convince those skeptical of the Covid shots using new mRNA technology to get inoculated.
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The new authorization is for a series of two shots, separated by three weeks, in unvaccinated people. It does not cover the use of the Novavax vaccine as a booster shot, which the agency will need to evaluate separately.
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Doug B
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I was specifically wondering about that. Wouldn't mind mixing it up to get broader immunological memory, but I guess that can wait until COVID vaccination is annual and mix-&-match is routine (or obviated by multi-valent vaccines).
ignatiusjreilly
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Interesting. I didn't realize it was like that in LA. Here in FL (or at least here in Miami) you check a box on the form and no one cares.
BTW, from a macro public health perspective it's dumb for LA to be that fastidious. More shots in arms, regardless of who they go to, is a net plus for society.
Doug B
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(NOTE: Recent figures in the Worldometers graphs get big adjustments as much as two weeks after they first drop. Accordingly, I've waited ten days to let the last-week Monday (July 4) numbers settle in. They will rise some more by next week's update, but it should only be by a relatively small amount.)
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Updating numbers to see where things have been standing recently from a top-of-the-mountain view. All figures below are 7-day averages from Worldometers U.S. graphs here. In the United States:
CASES ON THU 07/14/2022
Thu 01/13/2022 - 825,688 <--OMICRON SURGE 2022 HIGH
Tue 02/01/2022 - 424,816
Thu 02/17/2022 - 116,942
Mon 02/21/2022 - 94,244
Mon 02/28/2022 - 62,205
Mon 03/07/2022 - 42,099
Mon 03/14/2022 - 32,909
Sat 04/02/2022 - 27,599 <--2022 LOW
Mon 04/11/2022 - 33,912
Mon 04/18/2022 - 40,862
Mon 04/25/2022 - 52,587
Mon 05/02/2022 - 63,231
Mon 05/09/2022 - 81,436
Mon 05/16/2022 - 100,161
Mon 05/23/2022 - 110,823
Mon 05/30/2022 - 110,225
Mon 06/06/2022 - 106,660
Mon 06/13/2022 - 107,466
Mon 06/20/2022 - 99,088
Mon 06/27/2022 - 111,030
Mon 07/04/2022 - 115,150 (102,344 on Thu 07/07/2022) <-- SPRING/SUMMER SURGE HIGH
Mon 07/11/2022 - 114,152 <--provisional count
DEATHS ON THU 07/14/2022
Sun 01/29/2022 - 2,756 <--OMICRON SURGE 2022 HIGH
Thu 02/17/2022 - 2,196
Tue 02/22/2022 - 1,964
Mon 02/28/2022 - 1,750
Mon 03/14/2022 - 1,137
Tue 03/22/2022 - 784
Mon 03/28/2022 - 635
Mon 04/04/2022 - 580
Mon 04/11/2022 - 487
Mon 04/25/2022 - 365
Mon 05/02/2022 - 338
Mon 05/09/2022 - 299
Thu 05/12/2022 - 286 <--2022 LOW
Mon 05/23/2022 - 322
Mon 06/06/2022 - 339
Tue 06/07/2022 - 368 <--SPRING/SUMMER SURGE HIGH
Mon 06/13/2022 - 360
Mon 06/20/2022 - 307
Mon 06/27/2022 - 342 (319 on Thu 07/07/2022)
Mon 07/04/2022 - 339 (273 on Thu 07/07/2022)
Mon 07/11/2022 - 312 <--provisional count
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CASES: 7-day average of confirmed COVID cases in the U.S. peaked at 825,688 on 1/13/2022, and was provisionally 115,150 on 7/4/2022. Between June 8 and June 20, the 7-day case numbers were showing what was hoped to be the start of a slow decline. Since then, there's been a rise back up and a new spring/summer surge high number set. The overall effect of looking at the curve from mid-May through June had been an apparent ceiling (around 113,000) that the case numbers weren't surpassing. 115,000 was surpassed last week and it's clear that 120,000+ and more are coming up. Too early to say yet where the rise might stop, though I'm confident that this is not going to be another spike like winter 2021-22 -- more like a hill as Delta was in summer-fall 2021.
DEATHS: The 7-day average had dropped for 79 consecutive days from 2,756 on 1/29/2022 to 350 on Tue 4/19/2022. That number jogged up to 353 the following day, breaking the streak. 7-day average deaths hit a new spring-surge peak on 6/7/2022 (368). The number was provisionally 339 on 7/4/2022. For a while in mid-June, 7-day average deaths were showing a slow decline -- down to 299 by Wed 6/22/2022. As I note every week, though: it's been a struggle for the 7-day death numbers to get below 300 and stay there. The recent Monday 7/11/2022 number already being at 312 is not a good sign -- that likely rises to around 370-380 this time next week.
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For comparison: Low-water marks in the U.S. from summer 2021, 7-day averages after the initial thrust of vaccinations and before summer 2021's Delta surge.
CASES: 12,197 on 6/21/2021
DEATHS: 245 on 7/8/2021
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Updating numbers to see where things have been standing recently from a top-of-the-mountain view. All figures below are 7-day averages from Worldometers U.S. graphs here. In the United States:
CASES ON THU 07/14/2022
Thu 01/13/2022 - 825,688 <--OMICRON SURGE 2022 HIGH
Tue 02/01/2022 - 424,816
Thu 02/17/2022 - 116,942
Mon 02/21/2022 - 94,244
Mon 02/28/2022 - 62,205
Mon 03/07/2022 - 42,099
Mon 03/14/2022 - 32,909
Sat 04/02/2022 - 27,599 <--2022 LOW
Mon 04/11/2022 - 33,912
Mon 04/18/2022 - 40,862
Mon 04/25/2022 - 52,587
Mon 05/02/2022 - 63,231
Mon 05/09/2022 - 81,436
Mon 05/16/2022 - 100,161
Mon 05/23/2022 - 110,823
Mon 05/30/2022 - 110,225
Mon 06/06/2022 - 106,660
Mon 06/13/2022 - 107,466
Mon 06/20/2022 - 99,088
Mon 06/27/2022 - 111,030
Mon 07/04/2022 - 115,150 (102,344 on Thu 07/07/2022) <-- SPRING/SUMMER SURGE HIGH
Mon 07/11/2022 - 114,152 <--provisional count
DEATHS ON THU 07/14/2022
Sun 01/29/2022 - 2,756 <--OMICRON SURGE 2022 HIGH
Thu 02/17/2022 - 2,196
Tue 02/22/2022 - 1,964
Mon 02/28/2022 - 1,750
Mon 03/14/2022 - 1,137
Tue 03/22/2022 - 784
Mon 03/28/2022 - 635
Mon 04/04/2022 - 580
Mon 04/11/2022 - 487
Mon 04/25/2022 - 365
Mon 05/02/2022 - 338
Mon 05/09/2022 - 299
Thu 05/12/2022 - 286 <--2022 LOW
Mon 05/23/2022 - 322
Mon 06/06/2022 - 339
Tue 06/07/2022 - 368 <--SPRING/SUMMER SURGE HIGH
Mon 06/13/2022 - 360
Mon 06/20/2022 - 307
Mon 06/27/2022 - 342 (319 on Thu 07/07/2022)
Mon 07/04/2022 - 339 (273 on Thu 07/07/2022)
Mon 07/11/2022 - 312 <--provisional count
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CASES: 7-day average of confirmed COVID cases in the U.S. peaked at 825,688 on 1/13/2022, and was provisionally 115,150 on 7/4/2022. Between June 8 and June 20, the 7-day case numbers were showing what was hoped to be the start of a slow decline. Since then, there's been a rise back up and a new spring/summer surge high number set. The overall effect of looking at the curve from mid-May through June had been an apparent ceiling (around 113,000) that the case numbers weren't surpassing. 115,000 was surpassed last week and it's clear that 120,000+ and more are coming up. Too early to say yet where the rise might stop, though I'm confident that this is not going to be another spike like winter 2021-22 -- more like a hill as Delta was in summer-fall 2021.
DEATHS: The 7-day average had dropped for 79 consecutive days from 2,756 on 1/29/2022 to 350 on Tue 4/19/2022. That number jogged up to 353 the following day, breaking the streak. 7-day average deaths hit a new spring-surge peak on 6/7/2022 (368). The number was provisionally 339 on 7/4/2022. For a while in mid-June, 7-day average deaths were showing a slow decline -- down to 299 by Wed 6/22/2022. As I note every week, though: it's been a struggle for the 7-day death numbers to get below 300 and stay there. The recent Monday 7/11/2022 number already being at 312 is not a good sign -- that likely rises to around 370-380 this time next week.
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For comparison: Low-water marks in the U.S. from summer 2021, 7-day averages after the initial thrust of vaccinations and before summer 2021's Delta surge.
CASES: 12,197 on 6/21/2021
DEATHS: 245 on 7/8/2021
E Street Brat
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ignatiusjreilly
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Got my second booster today (and so far no side effects). I really hadn't planned on getting one until the bivalent vaccine was released in the fall, but over the last couple days I changed my mind for two reasons:
First, if indeed we're about to see the BA.5 wave crest in the coming weeks, now is a good time to get the enhanced protection from a new booster, especially since it's expected to target people who have never had it before. Even if it doesn't last as long as previous boosters, it should hopefully get me through the worst period of this wave.
Second, we haven't been talking as much in recent months about the notion of getting shots for the overall benefit of society, but again, if we're heading into a new wave, anything I can do to break the transmission chain should be be beneficial.
First, if indeed we're about to see the BA.5 wave crest in the coming weeks, now is a good time to get the enhanced protection from a new booster, especially since it's expected to target people who have never had it before. Even if it doesn't last as long as previous boosters, it should hopefully get me through the worst period of this wave.
Second, we haven't been talking as much in recent months about the notion of getting shots for the overall benefit of society, but again, if we're heading into a new wave, anything I can do to break the transmission chain should be be beneficial.
SpurrierisisGod
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Has there been any talk of including the Vax with the flu shot? I feel like thats where we are heading. Only ask because we're are gearing up for our oldest going to college. He still won't just go get the covid shots.
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
I have definitely heard that could be a possibility in the future, but I'm not sure how far off it is.
Good rule of thumb: If you're talking about the near future, just assume that unless it's in the final stages of the approval process, it won't be ready in time for whatever it is you're basing your decision on. That was one of the things that pushed me to stop waiting around for the bivalent vaccine.
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Nathan R. Jessep
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this is the most recent I've seen:
https://www.biopharma-reporter.com/Article/2022/06/07/moderna-takes-mrna-influenza-candidate-into-phase-3-trial
which is talking about a strictly-flu mRNA vaccine. But it does mention: Meanwhile, Moderna is also developing combination vaccines for COVID-19 and influenza (mRNA-1073) and another that targets COVID-19, influenza and RSV (mRNA-1230).
Which I guess means is still in development and hasn't made it to trial stages yet
Doug B
Footballguy
Major move up in the recent numbers since I posted yesterday. Here's where this week's 7-day average detected** case counts have been adjusted to -- and more will for sure be added over the next week. This week's counts could settle in at around 140,000 - 150,000.
Mon 07/11/2022 - 118,911
Tue 07/12/2022 - 125,392
Wed 07/13/2022 - 125,658
Thu 07/14/2022 - 118.950
Still thinking it will be more "hill" than "spike", but the adjustment in 7-day case counts over the last 24 hours has been a major move. Around the end of this month, it will be time to see whether hospitalization, ICU patients, and deaths moves along roughly the same steepness of curve.
** multiply by 7 to 10 to get an approximation of the true number in the U.S.
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
https://twitter.com/skarlamangla/status/1547702392736493569
Color me skeptical. I don't think masks are as effective against Omicron, and compliance is only going to continue getting worse and worse
Doug B
Footballguy
Mask mandates now will be a muddle, and almost certainly not enforced except here and there at the individual business level.
When you say "masks", do you mean "any and all masks" won't be effective? Or do you specifically mean "everything below N95s"? Or something else?
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
I don't know enough to tease out all of the different factors, but it seems the combined effect of Omicron's increased transmissibility, mask quality, poor fit and low compliance is that mandates don't seem to have much effect anymore. If you could guarantee 100% compliance with well-fitted N95s, maybe they would, but that's obviously not a realistic goal at this point.
Runkle
Footballguy
At the least, however, going to mask mandates forces my employer to re-institute full WFH. They're following county rules so as soon as we went to High they suspended the '3 days in the office' and are back to allowing full remote. If other workplaces do the same, it could be more effective at limiting spread than the masks themselves will do given compliances and enforcement are nearly non-existent.
Doug B
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Scoresman
Footballguy
So frustrating trying to get a second booster right now. Just got back from my health plan's pharmacy who turned me down because I'm not over 50 and I'm not immunocompromised despite their website saying those who originally got J+J also qualify. This despite every expert out there recommending people get their second boosters. What a joke. Meanwhile, pharmacies are throwing away vaccine doses.
I made an appointment at Walgreens for this afternoon and am just going to outright lie and say I'm immunocompromised if asked. #### it. Gotta do what I need to protect myself and my wife who is immunocompromised. Our system is such a joke.
I made an appointment at Walgreens for this afternoon and am just going to outright lie and say I'm immunocompromised if asked. #### it. Gotta do what I need to protect myself and my wife who is immunocompromised. Our system is such a joke.
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
The idea that anyone is turning away people who want to get a shot right now is criminal
belljr
Footballguy
Why? The medical professionals say 50 and older, I've been following their guidelines all this time why should I stop.
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
50+ is a guideline. It's not like when you're 49 years, 364 days it's dangerous and then suddenly the following day it's fine. Unlike in early 2021, there are not limited supplies; in fact, from what I understand, doses are being thrown away unused. And every shot in an arm has an incremental benefit to society of reducing transmission, even if only a tiny amount.
Am I remembering correctly that you work as a pharmacist? I certainly respect your expertise (and will always be eternally grateful for the work your profession has done over the past year and a half to save lives.) Maybe there's something I'm missing. But for the life of me I can't understand the logic of turning people away
Scoresman
Footballguy
Medical professionals are now saying people should be getting second boosters. The FDA/CDC/whoever are dragging their feet.
Doug B
Footballguy
A few months ago, my wife and I assumed that they'd lift the over-50 thing "soon" and she'd be able to get her second booster. A little bewildered at this point.
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
OK, I must have been confusing you with another poster who used to post in this thread regularly (Biff84?)
I do agree that it shouldn't all be on the frontline people at pharmacies and such. The government should issue recommended guidelines but also say that any adult who wants to get a shot can get one
Leeroy Jenkins
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I just saw a post saying the R0 for this variant is over 18. Omicron original 9.5; Delta 5.1, and original covid 3.3 ….
Scoresman
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ignatiusjreilly
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nirad3
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ignatiusjreilly
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Saw an old work buddy this weekend when he was in town. He said he got Covid for the first time this April (he was vaxxed and boosted). The initial sickness wasn't that bad, but afterward he had a lingering cough that refused to go away. Turns out he now has asthma.
I doubt a case like that would be classified as "long Covid" but it still kind of sucks to get a seemingly minor illness and then find yourself dealing with a long-term health issue
I doubt a case like that would be classified as "long Covid" but it still kind of sucks to get a seemingly minor illness and then find yourself dealing with a long-term health issue
belljr
Footballguy
I'm not down playing it but my wife and I both now have asthma and we didnt when we were younger this was before covid even was a thing......
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
Interesting. Hadn't realized that was a thing. Do you have any idea what caused yours?
In my friend's case, it did sound like it was either a direct result of his infection or an incredible coincidence.
belljr
Footballguy
It could be a bunch of factors but illness is definitely one
What causes adults to develop asthma?
At least 30% of adult asthma cases are triggered by allergies. People who are allergic to cats may have an increased risk for developing adult onset asthma. Exposure to allergens or irritants such as cigarette smoke, chemicals, mold, dust, or other substances commonly found in the person’s environment (e.g. home or work place) might trigger the first asthma symptoms in an adult.
Prolonged exposure to certain workplace materials may set off asthma symptoms in adults.
Hormonal fluctuations in women may play a role in adult onset asthma. Some women first develop asthma symptoms during or after a pregnancy. Women going through menopause can develop asthma symptoms for the first time.
Different illnesses, viruses, or infections can be a factor in adult onset asthma. A bad cold or a bout with the flu is often a factor in adult onset asthma.
Smoking does not cause adult onset asthma; however, if you smoke or if you are exposed to cigarette smoke (second-hand smoke), it may provoke asthma symptoms.
In my case the doctor thinks my severe allergies to dust and grass coupled with being a little overweight and a bad chest cold.
My wife I'm not sure
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Doug B
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As far as I'm aware ... that's exactly something that would get classified as long COVID. I don't think the default long COVID experience is supposed to be debilitation. That's actually one of the hard things about studying long COVID -- everything from "a few weeks of intermittent light headaches" to "six months on a ventilator" is all lumped together as "long COVID".
2Squirrels1Nut
Footballguy
I received a pic last week from a friend of mine that got Shingles after Covid. He's really tore up. Sores and scars all over his face. :(
Praying yours isn't as severe.
JetMaxx
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Tested positive on Sunday, been wicked rough since. Fever spiked to 104.4 this morning, headache, sore throat, congestion and really bad body pain.
Terminalxylem
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Post-viral bronchial hyperreactivity is pretty common after upper respiratory infections. It usually resolves within a few months.
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JetMaxx
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Day 2 update:
Fever has subsided but the severe body pain and sore throat continue.
Question about the self tests. My wife and I were knowingly exposed during travel to help my high risk MIL move from NH to MA. Both of us took tests each day from Thursday to Sunday, both of us having the first 3 tests come up negative, then both pop positive on Sunday once we were in full blown symptoms. What’s the point of the test?
Leeroy Jenkins
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heckmanm
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Leeroy Jenkins
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I am literally the only person out of about 120 attendees that’s wearing a mask at this conference. Nobody else. And the guy sitting behind me is sneezing. Yay. Debating on whether I want to go to the indoor dinner.
Any word on boosters for us under 50s?
Any word on boosters for us under 50s?
Leeroy Jenkins
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