*** OFFICIAL *** COVID-19 CoronaVirus Thread. Fresh epidemic fears as child pneumonia cases surge in Europe after China outbreak. NOW in USA (3 Viewers)

[Navin Johnson]

It seems like the west coast is a week or two behind NY which is weird considering the first case of Omicron was reported in SF. Cases here in Oregon and the Bay Area haven’t even really started going up yet as of Thursday. 

My wife and I are boosted.  Son (16) has two shots but isn't eligible for the booster yet.  We debated having him get itin CA but not sure if the documentation will transfer over when we fly back to Munich.  Bavaria just went to 2G/2G+ combo - have to be vaxxed or recovered AND be tested, boosted don't have to be tested, except for flights.  Got Warriors-Heat and Stanford-Oregon ladies on the itenerary.  

 

[gianmarco]

That's because this surge is allegedly still mostly Delta

So United and American don't fly out there?

 

[Alex P Keaton]

So United and American don't fly out there?

This deserved laughing emoji

 

[song]

Yes I said from a society perspective it's a concern. From an individual perspective of a boosted person it is not. Boosted people won't goto hospital 

my boosted neighbor died a week and a half ago.  so probably not Omricon.  Covid pneumonia.  he was 81 and on dialysis.

i just now wondered if dialysis filtered out antibodies.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

So United and American don't fly out there?

Unnecessary quoting of post because laughing emoji not available. 

 

[Sand]

I agree in principal but how do you have a "line" against a virus? No doubt kids suffer. But It's like saying I'll go in the house for this tornado but I refuse to go in the basement. At some point the Tornado has a vote. 

I guess the question is how much sickenss, death, hospital overcrowding etc are we willing to accept for each layer of freedom we give up? Complicated questions but we should at least acknowledge both sides of the equation.  

Private/parochial schools staying open didn't cause a COVID apocalypse.  Based on that known experience along with the similar lack of issues from European schools that stayed open there should be no hesitation in keeping the doors open.

I have no idea what science they are using to justify shutting down.

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On another important note, it looks like a 30M person study found symptomless cases to be 40% of the total, which is evidently 2x the previous assumption. This is a good thing.

 

[skol asylum]

https://vm.tiktok.com/TTPdjWVv8t/

 

[Terminalxylem]

i just now wondered if dialysis filtered out antibodies.

Don’t think so

 

[Navin Johnson]

Private/parochial schools staying open didn't cause a COVID apocalypse.  Based on that known experience along with the similar lack of issues from European schools that stayed open there should be no hesitation in keeping the doors open.

I have no idea what science they are using to justify shutting down.

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On another important note, it looks like a 30M person study found symptomless cases to be 40% of the total, which is evidently 2x the previous assumption. This is a good thing.

Which European countries are you referring to? 

 

[GoBirds]

Private/parochial schools staying open didn't cause a COVID apocalypse.  Based on that known experience along with the similar lack of issues from European schools that stayed open there should be no hesitation in keeping the doors open.

I have no idea what science they are using to justify shutting down.

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On another important note, it looks like a 30M person study found symptomless cases to be 40% of the total, which is evidently 2x the previous assumption. This is a good thing.

Great news on the symptomless cases…and please tell me they aren’t trying to shutdown schools again!?!?

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Great news on the symptomless cases…and please tell me they aren’t trying to shutdown schools again!?!?

Plenty of schools have gone remote for portions of time this year.  Based on what is likely coming after winter break, I would anticipate some remote learning in January…..

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Article that talks about how poor most vaccines are at preventing Omicron infections (not serious cases or deaths — just infections).  Headline is that only Pfizer and Moderna boosters have a meaningful chance at preventing infection.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/19/health/omicron-vaccines-efficacy.html?campaign_id=9&emc=edit_nn_20211219&instance_id=48236&nl=the-morning&regi_id=129056903&segment_id=77431&te=1&user_id=dc02bcdc20284a8ccf5387e4187bf545

 

[massraider]

I can tell you young people in NYC, obviously mostly vaccinated, are testing positive. Everyone knows someone who is positive-right now. I have 5 employees myself. 

Christmas break coming up, so we should be able to really accelerate this thing getting nationwide.

 

[That one guy]

What is the “recommended” cocktail of vaccines now from first through boosters?

I haven’t had any for various reasons, including getting covid in August and being recommended by the group doing local testing to wait 90 days after symptoms go away.  Leaving aside whether that was sound advice or not, I’m ready to stop the procrastination and get on with it all.  I am a 41yo male with no health concerns should that make any difference

 

[IvanKaramazov]

my boosted neighbor died a week and a half ago.  so probably not Omricon.  Covid pneumonia.  he was 81 and on dialysis.

i just now wondered if dialysis filtered out antibodies.

I wouldn't overthink this.  "81 and on dialysis" describes the type of person who dies from influenza complications -- I wouldn't want this person to come into contact with covid, even fully vaccinated.

 

[belljr]

So this is where my wife drives me insane. She's now all freaked out about masking and our trip to Florida (we are all boosted) and catching it because of her asthma.

But guess what she won't do ....cancel dinner at my sister OR our Christmas Eve party.  I'm like if you are so concerned let's cancel the party. We cancelled last year .... She's like no we will be ok..... 

 

[jobarules]

So this is where my wife drives me insane. She's now all freaked out about masking and our trip to Florida (we are all boosted) and catching it because of asthma.

But guess what she won't do ....cancel dinner at my sister OR our Christmas Eve party.  I'm like if you are so concerned let's cancel the party. We cancelled last year .... She's like no we will be ok..... 

Yeah covid has been used as an excuse by many people to stop doing things only when it's convenient 

 

[Joe Bryant]

Honestly—you are right. I go out of my way to wear good masks and I provide them to my co-workers—but I do not force them to use them. We do all wear masks though. With that said—-even though there is a mask mandate in California—there are customers that just refuse to wear them—and the owner of our store said that she no longer wants to be confrontational with customers about them. However—just last week—I had 2 customers walk out and we lost holiday sales because they were older customers that didn’t feel comfortable being in the store with a couple of other unmasked customers.  We are a small business that needs every piece of business that we could get—and literally—we lost a couple sales because a couple customers decided to put their “theater” of not wearing a mask ahead of our business. Not wearing a mask in a business where other people might feel uncomfortable about it is horribly selfish. 

Trying to hit the right balance between different viewpoints is a definitely challenge. Hang in there.

 

[lod001]

If you cannot figure out, (after what's going on at Cornell U) that you cannot stop this with jab juice, you never will.

The sample size is plenty to show that you can't stop this with the juice.

Cornell University is shutting down its Ithaca, New York, campus and moving to "alert level red" after a "rapid spread" of Covid-19 among students. As of result, the school has decided to shut down its Ithaca, New York, campus, where it has about 25,600 students. Cornell's overall vaccination rate among students is 99%.

So basically everyone is jabbed and it DID NOTHING TO STOP IT.

Lets not forget the biden, fauci, walensky/CDC lies. 

"100% safe and effective" and "if you take the juice, you WILL NOT GET COVID". You can't wish away those statements as they are on video. All you have left is the lame "if you take the juice your symptoms will be minor"....even though MANY who took the juice are dead from COVID and of course many dead from the death juice itself. 

 

[Atomic Punk]

Adding one more to the ignore list.

 

[belljr]

Yeah covid has been used as an excuse by many people to stop doing things only when it's convenient 

I don't think cancelling a trip is "convenience"

 

[Doug B]

Not sure who on the ball ... but @Joe Bryant and @FBG Moderator -- thanks for staying on top of things.

 

[FBG Moderator]

If you cannot figure out, (after what's going on at Cornell U) that you cannot stop this with jab juice, you never will.

The sample size is plenty to show that you can't stop this with the juice.

Cornell University is shutting down its Ithaca, New York, campus and moving to "alert level red" after a "rapid spread" of Covid-19 among students. As of result, the school has decided to shut down its Ithaca, New York, campus, where it has about 25,600 students. Cornell's overall vaccination rate among students is 99%.

So basically everyone is jabbed and it DID NOTHING TO STOP IT.

Lets not forget the biden, fauci, walensky/CDC lies. 

"100% safe and effective" and "if you take the juice, you WILL NOT GET COVID". You can't wish away those statements as they are on video. All you have left is the lame "if you take the juice your symptoms will be minor"....even though MANY who took the juice are dead from COVID and of course many dead from the death juice itself. 

If you want to do discuss, do it and don't be accusational or argumentative. Use links to back up what you're saying. 

 

[ProstheticRGK]

Adding one more to the ignore list.

How does one do this?

 

[lod001]

If you want to do discuss, do it and don't be accusational or argumentative. Use links to back up what you're saying. 

Will do. It's all over the news. Multiple links since some say 97% some say 99% and the # of cases is different depending on the news source but it is a fact. Also i won't call this stuff a vaccine because it is not - pre CDC changed definition.

“the act of introducing a vaccine into the body to produce immunity to a specific disease.” Now, the word “immunity” has been switched to “protection.” They can lie all they like about why they changed it but its 100% obvious.

Read more at: https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article254111268.html#storylink=cpy

Never has been a vaccine, never will be.

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/cornell-university-students-covid-outbreak-response-fast/story?id=81767699

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/cornell-university-students-covid-outbreak-response-fast/story?id=81767699

 

[jobarules]

I don't think cancelling a trip is "convenience"

Sorry if I misunderstood your post. It sounds like one thing she was ok canceling because she didn't wanna do it but the other she didn't want to cancel because she wanted to do it.

 

[lod001]

Adding one more to the ignore list.

Understood. Sometimes the real truth is too painful.

 

[Desert_Power]

How does one do this?

When you hover over their name with your mouse, there will be a drop down of options that comes up.

 

[ProstheticRGK]

When you hover over their name with your mouse, there will be a drop down of options that comes up.

My man! Thank you.

 

[Atomic Punk]

How does one do this?

Looks like @Desert_Power got us covered.

This is the simplest and easiest way to enjoy the forums without getting into the bizarre pissing matches some cannot help themselves starting ... especially when people bring PSF crap into these extremely informative threads in the FFA.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

If you cannot figure out, (after what's going on at Cornell U) that you cannot stop this with jab juice, you never will.

The sample size is plenty to show that you can't stop this with the juice.

Cornell University is shutting down its Ithaca, New York, campus and moving to "alert level red" after a "rapid spread" of Covid-19 among students. As of result, the school has decided to shut down its Ithaca, New York, campus, where it has about 25,600 students. Cornell's overall vaccination rate among students is 99%.

So basically everyone is jabbed and it DID NOTHING TO STOP IT.

Lets not forget the biden, fauci, walensky/CDC lies. 

"100% safe and effective" and "if you take the juice, you WILL NOT GET COVID". You can't wish away those statements as they are on video. All you have left is the lame "if you take the juice your symptoms will be minor"....even though MANY who took the juice are dead from COVID and of course many dead from the death juice itself. 

I think Cornell's action here is pretty bad for two reasons.  First, there's no reason to get worked up over an outbreak among vaccinated college students -- these folks are at something very close to zero risk for anything bad happening to them.  I'm not sure if there exists a population that has less to worry about from covid.  Vaccinated sixth graders maybe?  Second, if you're worried about community spread, then sending these folks back home is probably the single worst thing you can do.  But that's academic because these sorts of breakthrough infections just aren't that big a deal.

That said, you and other vaccine resisters are too hung up on the "breakthrough infection" thing.  A bunch of us -- me included - have been saying for a long time that it doesn't really matter that much whether the vaccines prevent infection at all as long as they prevent hospitalization and death.  I'd prefer not to be ill, but I've been ill before and I'll be ill again.  It's fine.  I just don't want to land in the hospital.  If the vaccines manage to accomplish that -- and they're doing a good job so far -- I'm happy with them.  And I say that as somebody who agrees with you that it's long past time to just let people live their lives more or less as normal. 

 

[KarmaPolice]

Understood. Sometimes the real truth is too painful.

I think when you are leading off with "jab juice", it's not hard to figure out your intent.

 

[KarmaPolice]

I think Cornell's action here is pretty bad for two reasons.  First, there's no reason to get worked up over an outbreak among vaccinated college students -- these folks are at something very close to zero risk for anything bad happening to them.  I'm not sure if there exists a population that has less to worry about from covid.  Vaccinated sixth graders maybe?  Second, if you're worried about community spread, then sending these folks back home is probably the single worst thing you can do.  But that's academic because these sorts of breakthrough infections just aren't that big a deal.

That said, you and other vaccine resisters are too hung up on the "breakthrough infection" thing.  A bunch of us -- me included - have been saying for a long time that it doesn't really matter that much whether the vaccines prevent infection at all as long as they prevent hospitalization and death.  I'd prefer not to be ill, but I've been ill before and I'll be ill again.  It's fine.  I just don't want to land in the hospital.  If the vaccines manage to accomplish that -- and they're doing a good job so far -- I'm happy with them.  And I say that as somebody who agrees with you that it's long past time to just let people live their lives more or less as normal. 

100%  People are way too hung up on the # of cases/infections.   Yeah, that was important last year when we didn't have the vaccination.   Why we haven't shifted to a metric based on hospital #s or something similar is beyond frustrating.   

And I mean people on both sides - one side is using the # of cases and I feel like we are going to be in perpetual mask/freak out mode, and another side is using it inappropriately to say "the jab juice doesn't work!!".     

 

[fatness]

Oregon is anticipating late February to be the worst for hospitalizations in that state:

"An alarming but preliminary new forecast from Oregon Health & Science University predicts the state could see the number of Oregonians actively hospitalized with COVID-19 spike to more than 3,000 by early February.

That’s 2.5 times higher than the delta peak of 1,178 peak Sept. 1, a level that pushed Oregon hospitals to the brink and resulted in the highest concentrated number of deaths of the pandemic. Fewer than 400 people testing positive for coronavirus are currently hospitalized."

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

If you cannot figure out, (after what's going on at Cornell U) that you cannot stop this with jab juice, you never will.

The sample size is plenty to show that you can't stop this with the juice.

Cornell University is shutting down its Ithaca, New York, campus and moving to "alert level red" after a "rapid spread" of Covid-19 among students. As of result, the school has decided to shut down its Ithaca, New York, campus, where it has about 25,600 students. Cornell's overall vaccination rate among students is 99%.

So basically everyone is jabbed and it DID NOTHING TO STOP IT.

Lets not forget the biden, fauci, walensky/CDC lies. 

"100% safe and effective" and "if you take the juice, you WILL NOT GET COVID". You can't wish away those statements as they are on video. All you have left is the lame "if you take the juice your symptoms will be minor"....even though MANY who took the juice are dead from COVID and of course many dead from the death juice itself. 

The guidance should have been that 3 shots were necessary since October.  What percentage are boosted?

What we are seeing now is exactly what Germany saw a few months ago. Despite high vaccination rates, cases were at an all time high. Because only 4% of the population had been boosted at that point. 

 

[fatness]

Different parts of the country where increased hospitalizations and deaths are being reported.

"Nationwide, hospitalizations increased by about 3 percent and deaths rose by about 7 percent over the past week. But some regions are seeing a much steeper rise.

Eighteen states and the District of Columbia have reported increases of more than 5 percent in new covid-19 admissions at hospitals in the past week. D.C. leads the nation with a 39 percent increase in hospitalizations. Connecticut’s covid-19 admissions have risen by 24 percent in the past week. New Jersey, Illinois, South Carolina, Alabama and Georgia each reported an increase of 11 percent or more."

 

[Alex P Keaton]

The guidance should have been that 3 shots were necessary since October.  What percentage are boosted?

What we are seeing now is exactly what Germany saw a few months ago. Despite high vaccination rates, cases were at an all time high. Because only 4% of the population had been boosted at that point. 

Exactly

 

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Friendly reminder to not respond to / quote the trolls that way those of us who have them on ignore don't have to be subjected to the willfully ignorant, flat-earther rants  

 

[The Z Machine]

Yeah covid has been used as an excuse by many people to stop doing things only when it's convenient 

Yup...

The covid positive guy (rapid test, unconfirmed via PCR) is right now getting on a flight back to California.  He's not making the right choice here and only doing what's convenient for him. 

 

[Terminalxylem]

What is the “recommended” cocktail of vaccines now from first through boosters?

I haven’t had any for various reasons, including getting covid in August and being recommended by the group doing local testing to wait 90 days after symptoms go away.  Leaving aside whether that was sound advice or not, I’m ready to stop the procrastination and get on with it all.  I am a 41yo male with no health concerns should that make any difference

Wow, I thought I was a procrastinator. Anyway, glad you’re joining the ranks of the vaccinated.

Get the first mRNA vaccine shot (Moderna or Pfizer) ASAP, followed by a second 1 month later, and 3rd after 6 months. You can mix/match vaccines for the 3rd shot, but I wouldn’t recommend J & J for any purpose.

 

[Terminalxylem]

I was looking forward to Christmas with company without having to worry about my parents catching it. It seems like that's a bridge too far these days. This is awful. When do we return to any sort of normalcy? 

Asking for an impatient friend, I guess. 

So sad, this unfortunate two years. 

Spring 2022. FTR, I predicted fall 2021 before delta, so my track record ain’t great. 

 

[Terminalxylem]

Man... this thread is freaking me out. 

I'm in New Orleans with some friends I haven't seen in 2 years.  One of the guys (who went on a cruise last week) wasn't feeling well this morning with a sore throat and got a rapid test. Came back positive.

He didn't hang out as much as the other folks on the trip, since he's a bit of a strange bird, but he was definitely unmasked in hotel rooms and restaurants with the rest of the group, including me. 

Question: We have one day / night left.  What do we do? Isolate until we get on flights going back to where we came from? Can we at least eat outdoors together?

Question: Will a rapid or PCR test for the other group members tell us anything at this point?

Question: I flew here with a cloth mask over a well fitted surgical mask. I should get an N95, but where can I find them locally?

Yes, you should quarantine. Eating outside with distancing should be fine, assuming you have a good way to get the food delivered.

Too early to test to exclude disease, but you may want to do so on the off chance you’re positive. Ideally you’d wait until ~day 5 post exposure.

No idea where to get N95, but short of delaying your flight until testing done, that’s about the best way you can protect others if you’re infected.

 

[Terminalxylem]

Michigan's hospitals are pretty much full already. Some are sending patients to Ohio and Indiana. An Omicron-holiday boost will be disastrous here.

I’d like to know which hospitals aren’t already full. Locally, it’s been a sh!t show for the last month or so, almost all non-Covid. 

Any bump in hospitalizations is gonna hurt.

 

[themeanmachine]

Different parts of the country where increased hospitalizations and deaths are being reported.

"Nationwide, hospitalizations increased by about 3 percent and deaths rose by about 7 percent over the past week. But some regions are seeing a much steeper rise.

Eighteen states and the District of Columbia have reported increases of more than 5 percent in new covid-19 admissions at hospitals in the past week. D.C. leads the nation with a 39 percent increase in hospitalizations. Connecticut’s covid-19 admissions have risen by 24 percent in the past week. New Jersey, Illinois, South Carolina, Alabama and Georgia each reported an increase of 11 percent or more."

Something I’m not clear on with the hospitalization data is whether they are counting hospitalized with Covid, or hospitalized because of Covid. 
 

With case data becoming less meaningful and severe illness and hospitalizations the key metric, we need to be careful that we aren’t just measuring hospitalized WITH covid. Since of course that number will go up as cases rise and people break legs and have heart attacks and it turns out they also have asymptomatic covid. And I realize trying to measure hospitalized with covid is tricky as it’s not always cut and dried. So maybe there’s a way to layer hospitalized with covid along with total hospitalized for anything, or hospital capacity, to get an accurate read on the real covid impact. 

 

[Terminalxylem]

I wouldn't overthink this.  "81 and on dialysis" describes the type of person who dies from influenza complications -- I wouldn't want this person to come into contact with covid, even fully vaccinated.

81 and dialysis has a shorter life expectancy than most types of metastatic cancer. On average about 2 1/2 years, and 3 days a week hooked to a machine.

 Age and hemodialysis are also some of the biggest risk factors for Covid progression.

 

[Terminalxylem]

Something I’m not clear on with the hospitalization data is whether they are counting hospitalized with Covid, or hospitalized because of Covid. 
 

With case data becoming less meaningful and severe illness and hospitalizations the key metric, we need to be careful that we aren’t just measuring hospitalized WITH covid. Since of course that number will go up as cases rise and people break legs and have heart attacks and it turns out they also have asymptomatic covid. And I realize trying to measure hospitalized with covid is tricky as it’s not always cut and dried. So maybe there’s a way to layer hospitalized with covid along with total hospitalized for anything, or hospital capacity, to get an accurate read on the real covid impact. 

As a healthcare provider, I can assure you the “WITH Covid” trope is overblown. The vast majority (ballpark, 95%+) of people hospitalized have pneumonia with low oxygen saturations FROM Covid.

At least that’s the pattern so far. A milder variant could certainly change the numbers, but given the resources needed to care for Covid patients (private isolation rooms, PPE), “WITH Covid” is still a PITA and taxing on hospitals.

 

[skol asylum]

What is the “recommended” cocktail of vaccines now from first through boosters?

I haven’t had any for various reasons, including getting covid in August and being recommended by the group doing local testing to wait 90 days after symptoms go away.  Leaving aside whether that was sound advice or not, I’m ready to stop the procrastination and get on with it all.  I am a 41yo male with no health concerns should that make any difference

Moderna supposedly has edged out Pfizer in protection but more studies are showing a little more risk of rare side effects. I did 3 Pfizers and probably would do so again. I don't think you can go wrong with either though.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Daughter has a cough, low grade fever, and is really tired. Gave her a rapid test and it was negative. We’ll see how she’s feeling tomorrow and re-assess.

Well, she tested positive this morning with an at-home test. I ran out and got 4 more and re-tested her as well as tested my wife and myself. Wife and I are both asymptomatic and both tested negative.

Daughter is already feeling a lot better today. Fever seems to be pretty much gone so far, cough is almost gone, and she says she feels a lot better.

Going to have her isolate for 10 days from Friday for the most part. As long as she is feeling better and there’s no fever, we’ll probably break isolation early for her because I really don’t want to make her isolate from the rest of the family on Christmas.

If my wife and I continue to not have symptoms and test negative (probably will re-test Thursday) then we’ll head to my family for Christmas next Monday which would be 10 days post symptoms first appearing for my daughter.

 

[skol asylum]

If you cannot figure out, (after what's going on at Cornell U) that you cannot stop this with jab juice, you never will.

The sample size is plenty to show that you can't stop this with the juice.

Cornell University is shutting down its Ithaca, New York, campus and moving to "alert level red" after a "rapid spread" of Covid-19 among students. As of result, the school has decided to shut down its Ithaca, New York, campus, where it has about 25,600 students. Cornell's overall vaccination rate among students is 99%.

So basically everyone is jabbed and it DID NOTHING TO STOP IT.

Lets not forget the biden, fauci, walensky/CDC lies. 

"100% safe and effective" and "if you take the juice, you WILL NOT GET COVID". You can't wish away those statements as they are on video. All you have left is the lame "if you take the juice your symptoms will be minor"....even though MANY who took the juice are dead from COVID and of course many dead from the death juice itself. 

Please do better research before shouting your conclusions/accusations at others. Medical experts are universally NOT saying you won't get Covid if vaxxed, but rather your chances of getting a bad outcome are greatly reduced.

 

[Jamesinaz]

As a healthcare provider, I can assure you the “WITH Covid” trope is overblown. The vast majority (ballpark, 95%+) of people hospitalized have pneumonia with low oxygen saturations FROM Covid.

At least that’s the pattern so far. A milder variant could certainly change the numbers, but given the resources needed to care for Covid patients (private isolation rooms, PPE), “WITH Covid” is still a PITA and taxing on hospitals.

Is the current data mostly Delta or is Omicron already a problem?