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*** OFFICIAL *** COVID-19 CoronaVirus Thread. Fresh epidemic fears as child pneumonia cases surge in Europe after China outbreak. NOW in USA (4 Viewers)

I'd ask if you were drunk when you posted this but 2am post time clarifies that. 

Yes, I'd wear a basic cloth mask much of this year because the vax was trustworthy vs existing strain, so I was cool with a less effective mask in exchange for comfort. 

Now that Omicron has an unknown degree of escape, and seems to be significantly more contagious, I'm back to wearing an N95 when flying. 

This isn't complicated. 😂 
2am is 11pm on the west coast and it was a Friday night grandpa. 

OMICRON !!

 
Man... this thread is freaking me out. 

I'm in New Orleans with some friends I haven't seen in 2 years.  One of the guys (who went on a cruise last week) wasn't feeling well this morning with a sore throat and got a rapid test. Came back positive.

He didn't hang out as much as the other folks on the trip, since he's a bit of a strange bird, but he was definitely unmasked in hotel rooms and restaurants with the rest of the group, including me. 

Question: We have one day / night left.  What do we do? Isolate until we get on flights going back to where we came from? Can we at least eat outdoors together?

Question: Will a rapid or PCR test for the other group members tell us anything at this point?

Question: I flew here with a cloth mask over a well fitted surgical mask. I should get an N95, but where can I find them locally?
Sorry for your situation. All depends on how much risk you're comfortable with. Personally I'd act as if you were all positive and essentially end the trip early, but I would be fine with eating outdoors. If you can find a test now get it, although it'll only be informative if it comes back positive (not enough time to be confident in a negative result).

Good luck!

 
Omicron for the boosted and children is justaflu. I don't understand people in this thread canceling holiday plans or worrying about it.

NYC just had its highest case count ever yet there were only 43 people in the hospital with covid as of Monday. 

 
Omicron for the boosted and children is justaflu. I don't understand people in this thread canceling holiday plans or worrying about it.

NYC just had its highest case count ever yet there were only 43 people in the hospital with covid as of Monday. 
1. hospital numbers lag cases by 1-2 weeks

2. hospitals are already at the brink at many areas of the U.S.

3. even IF (which is yet to be proven) Omicron is causing milder disease, a crap-ton of cases is still a bad thing. Because even a small percentage of a huge number of cases can be problematic for all of us. Omicron could very well surpass Delta in the number of cases. Trade a bit milder disease for a larger number of cases (and in turn, a larger number of really sick people, EVEN if it's a smaller percentage compared to Delta), and well.... that's going to be a problem.

 
1. hospital numbers lag cases by 1-2 weeks

2. hospitals are already at the brink at many areas of the U.S.

3. even IF (which is yet to be proven) Omicron is causing milder disease, a crap-ton of cases is still a bad thing. Because even a small percentage of a huge number of cases can be problematic for all of us. Omicron could very well surpass Delta in the number of cases. Trade a bit milder disease for a larger number of cases (and in turn, a larger number of really sick people, EVEN if it's a smaller percentage compared to Delta), and well.... that's going to be a problem.
Yes I said from a society perspective it's a concern. From an individual perspective of a boosted person it is not. Boosted people won't goto hospital 

 
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Honestly—you are right. I go out of my way to wear good masks and I provide them to my co-workers—but I do not force them to use them. We do all wear masks though. With that said—-even though there is a mask mandate in California—there are customers that just refuse to wear them—and the owner of our store said that she no longer wants to be confrontational with customers about them. However—just last week—I had 2 customers walk out and we lost holiday sales because they were older customers that didn’t feel comfortable being in the store with a couple of other unmasked customers.  We are a small business that needs every piece of business that we could get—and literally—we lost a couple sales because a couple customers decided to put their “theater” of not wearing a mask ahead of our business. Not wearing a mask in a business where other people might feel uncomfortable about it is horribly selfish. 
It's a tough balance for sure.   I'd guess you have lost customers if you have signs up about masks as well - maybe they don't even bother coming in.   

Our restaurant has seen it both ways.   After our month or two of not having to wear one, the county changed back to masks.  The day we put our signs up, I saw a handful of groups get to the door, look at the sign, swear, and leave.     On the flip side, we've had calls and emails that we don't police said rule (only so many times you can ask teens to get yelled up by adults for bringing up putting on a mask)  and people have left because there is too many people without masks.   For sure it's been a frustrating couple years.   

I wonder how much of the reaction is because this is the government telling them what to do vs. a business choosing what they want.  

 
Last winter we still were able to do indoor workout and have indoor games without fans. Is our peak going to reach last winters?

We peaked at about 73 of 100k postivity

 
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Last winter we still were able to do indoor workout and have indoor games without fans. Is our peak going to reach last winters?

We peaked at about 73 of 100k postivity
My opinion is that strictly looking at case numbers, it's about to blow past the record numbers we had. Hospitalizations and deaths will increase as well, but not as much as last previous peaks, but still have the potential to become problematic due to the sheer volume of cases. 

 
My opinion is that strictly looking at case numbers, it's about to blow past the record numbers we had. Hospitalizations and deaths will increase as well, but not as much as last previous peaks, but still have the potential to become problematic due to the sheer volume of cases. 
I just looked at the UK's case load and whoa.

Still assuming for now that the severe outcomes will be less on a per-case basis (due to the vax and previous infection), but that's a lot of cases.

 
I just looked at the UK's case load and whoa.

Still assuming for now that the severe outcomes will be less on a per-case basis (due to the vax and previous infection), but that's a lot of cases.
I'm looking at my states and we are basically having the same trajectory as last winter so far 

And our deaths and hospitalized are "lower"  

 
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I'm looking at my states and we are basically having the same trajectory as last winter so far 

And our deaths and hospitalized are "lower"  
Omicron didn't explode yet. It's starting to in NYC. Last year we did winter workouts with masks. I imagine we'll do the same this year.

 
My personal line is going back to virtual school.   That was a nightmare for all involved.  
I agree in principal but how do you have a "line" against a virus? No doubt kids suffer. But It's like saying I'll go in the house for this tornado but I refuse to go in the basement. At some point the Tornado has a vote. 

I guess the question is how much sickenss, death, hospital overcrowding etc are we willing to accept for each layer of freedom we give up? Complicated questions but we should at least acknowledge both sides of the equation.  

 
1. hospital numbers lag cases by 1-2 weeks

2. hospitals are already at the brink at many areas of the U.S.

3. even IF (which is yet to be proven) Omicron is causing milder disease, a crap-ton of cases is still a bad thing. Because even a small percentage of a huge number of cases can be problematic for all of us. Omicron could very well surpass Delta in the number of cases. Trade a bit milder disease for a larger number of cases (and in turn, a larger number of really sick people, EVEN if it's a smaller percentage compared to Delta), and well.... that's going to be a problem.
Michigan's hospitals are pretty much full already. Some are sending patients to Ohio and Indiana. An Omicron-holiday boost will be disastrous here.

 
I think the theater is when people have a hard time wearing them for 10-15 minutes while shopping. It’s not that hard. Even if somebody believes that they don’t work—the sheer fact that wearing one for a few minutes might make other people feel a little more comfortable around them during the holiday season should be reason enough to do it.  God forbid people do something nice for the sake of it being nice. 


Yup.  Count me as one that doesn't think masks accomplish much.  But, if it makes people feel safer or if it's the rules it isn't that much of a hardship.  No need to "protest" a simple thing like that.

 
1. hospital numbers lag cases by 1-2 weeks

2. hospitals are already at the brink at many areas of the U.S.

3. even IF (which is yet to be proven) Omicron is causing milder disease, a crap-ton of cases is still a bad thing. Because even a small percentage of a huge number of cases can be problematic for all of us. Omicron could very well surpass Delta in the number of cases. Trade a bit milder disease for a larger number of cases (and in turn, a larger number of really sick people, EVEN if it's a smaller percentage compared to Delta), and well.... that's going to be a problem.
I saw a presentation yesterday from an official at a large hospital system in the upper Midwest. His opinion is that the crush of Covid hospitalizations we are experiencing right now is due to the Delta variant.  My understanding is that the vaccine and booster combination is still considered to be extremely effective against Delta. 

 
I agree in principal but how do you have a "line" against a virus? No doubt kids suffer. But It's like saying I'll go in the house for this tornado but I refuse to go in the basement. At some point the Tornado has a vote. 

I guess the question is how much sickenss, death, hospital overcrowding etc are we willing to accept for each layer of freedom we give up? Complicated questions but we should at least acknowledge both sides of the equation.  
More like the line where I would be upset at.   Masks, testing, whatever - cool.   Just my personal opinion and observations, but IMO not much was as damaging last year than going without school for those I know.   It feels like with vaccinations in our arsenal this time around they are going about it a different way around here, so I am hoping they weigh in other factors than just # of cases.  

At no point did I say I wasn't going to acknowledge both sides of the equation either.  

 
1. hospital numbers lag cases by 1-2 weeks

2. hospitals are already at the brink at many areas of the U.S.

3. even IF (which is yet to be proven) Omicron is causing milder disease, a crap-ton of cases is still a bad thing. Because even a small percentage of a huge number of cases can be problematic for all of us. Omicron could very well surpass Delta in the number of cases. Trade a bit milder disease for a larger number of cases (and in turn, a larger number of really sick people, EVEN if it's a smaller percentage compared to Delta), and well.... that's going to be a problem.


Don't even waste your breath with Shady... he's been on the wrong side of the science for the duration of this thing. 

 
2 years into this and we are still talking about whether masks do anything. :wall:

They do. Even when not optimally worn or of optimal material. Stop worrying about what others do and just do the right thing for others. Who cares if you're the only one wearing a mask or wearing it correctly?

 
Isn't the booster the same shot I took originally?
It is (unless you choose to swap for a different brand).  Three shots not only "refreshes" the vaccine, but provides broader coverage somehow too (like preps your immune system to handle a wider range of viruses or something like that).  I think.  Maybe one of the docs or etc can confirm/fix.

 
Seems like the shots offer little to no protection against omicron. Booster increases it
Isn't the booster the same shot I took originally?
Zod, I had the same exact question you had, and we hashed it out in this thread yesterday morning. Start with this FFA post and read down the rest of the page (and maybe a little on the top of the next page, too). The original article cap'n grunge linked to is short (but dense with info), but if you want to skip it and just read the excerpts we were posting downthread, you'll get the 411 that way, too.

 
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At least 3 people in my NY office tested positive this week.  Guaranteed that I was exposed to it while in town for work, since 2 of 3 were in the office while I was.  One person was double dosed with Pfizer, another was boosted with Moderna.  The third is from The UK and had two doses of AstraZeneca — she is evidently pretty sick but not hospitalized.

Guess I will now find out how well boosters work for me at least.

 
At least 3 people in my NY office tested positive this week.  Guaranteed that I was exposed to it while in town for work, since 2 of 3 were in the office while I was.  One person was double dosed with Pfizer, another was boosted with Moderna.  The third is from The UK and had two doses of AstraZeneca — she is evidently pretty sick but not hospitalized.

Guess I will now find out how well boosters work for me at least.
My friend and my sons friend who is 12 both have it. Both double vaxxed. Probably got it from our winter workouts on Tuesday. 

 
Basically unprotected from being infected.
Fair enough.  I’ve already accepted that I’m getting it sometime in the next handful of months.   Goal #1:   avoid spreading it to others if possible.  Goal #2:  minimize the odds of getting super ill or hospitalized.

Probably should have canceled NY travel this week.  Such is life.

 
Anyone traveling (flying) over Christmas? Any reason to be concerned about flights next week on the west coast? Looks like the west coast is lagging behind the east coast when it comes to explosion of Omicron.  We're all boosted and everyone we would be seeing is also all boosted.  
Flying from MUC to SFO on Thursday.  Fingers crossed

 
Wife has been isolated for 2 days now in the spare bedroom.  She’s feeling better and no more fever - some coughing and achy still.  We thought my son may have it after running slight fever and not feeling great but at home test today was negative.  Plan is to get all of us tested midweek before we are around family for holidays.  

 
Flying from MUC to SFO on Thursday.  Fingers crossed
It seems like the west coast is a week or two behind NY which is weird considering the first case of Omicron was reported in SF. Cases here in Oregon and the Bay Area haven’t even really started going up yet as of Thursday. 

 
It seems like the west coast is a week or two behind NY which is weird considering the first case of Omicron was reported in SF. Cases here in Oregon and the Bay Area haven’t even really started going up yet as of Thursday. 
That's because this surge is allegedly still mostly Delta

 
It seems like the west coast is a week or two behind NY which is weird considering the first case of Omicron was reported in SF. Cases here in Oregon and the Bay Area haven’t even really started going up yet as of Thursday. 
Honestly, this all probably is remnants from Thanksgiving and related spread — Delta. We are about to be slammed exponentially from xmas/nye that will have omicron mixed in. 

 

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