Joe Summer
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Trump supporters in a nutshell.
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"Official" Donald Trump for President: Great Wall of Mexico (2 Viewers)
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Jeremy
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Yeah, I was a little surprised by the backlash from anti-abortion folks to his claim that the woman should be punished. As this tweet points out, for decades we've been told that abortion = murder; that killing a fetus was no different than stabbing a baby in her crib. We've seen memes on facebook comparing abortion fatalities to people killed in wars, traffic accidents or from gun violence. By that logic the doctor is the hit man and the mother the one that hires him. Why wouldn't both get punished? It's almost as if they don't really believe abortion and murder are the same thing. You can't blame Trump for not knowing that, being that he's new to this position.
Ilov80s
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I agree. The statement from March For Life seemed to present it almost in the light of a drug case. The mother is like the drug user and doctor like the drug dealer. They see it as any woman that aborts her baby is a woman in need of emotional and moral support not a woman in need of punishment. Why that changes once the baby is born, I am not sure.
The logic is sound. So why did Donald do a real-time flip-flop? Because he's a social media, current events, candidate. His knowledge is a mile-wide and an inch deep on so many topics.
cstu
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Henry Ford
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This is the very good thing that is likely to happen from Trump's run. Whatever else happens, it's time that fiscal conservatives, evangelicals, and people who shout about what they think the Constitution says all realize that the other groups and the politicians representing all of them just don't give a #### about their actual positions.
The Republican Party doesn't believe abortion is murder. It just puts that forward to get votes. The Republican Party doesn't think protestors interfere with free speech. It just parrots that to get votes. Etc. I think the Trump campaign is making that abundantly clear to everyone.
Amused to Death
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timschochet
Footballguy
Love the sinner, hate the sin. Isn't that the key to mainstream conservative opposition to both abortion and gay marriage?
Ditkaless Wonders
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I hate that the "social conservatives" have aided and abetted in the destructive co-opting of the former meaning of the word "conservative". Of course language appropriation has been a powerful tool for some time.
Perhaps there is irony in the demographic that for a time argued that any change in the meaning of the word marriage was some sort of heresy so actively, if unwittingly (I think of much that they do as unwitting) participating in the destruction of the meaning of a conservative. In the end, no matter, one has to remain fluid, even if language shift is, in the end, a waste of time. Some active advocates believe if they can co-opt terms they can do so also with principles, though in my experience that does not work and only addresses the symptoms, but not the disease.
Perhaps there is irony in the demographic that for a time argued that any change in the meaning of the word marriage was some sort of heresy so actively, if unwittingly (I think of much that they do as unwitting) participating in the destruction of the meaning of a conservative. In the end, no matter, one has to remain fluid, even if language shift is, in the end, a waste of time. Some active advocates believe if they can co-opt terms they can do so also with principles, though in my experience that does not work and only addresses the symptoms, but not the disease.
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dfsguy
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http://www.nytimes.com/1983/04/02/business/us-raises-tariff-for-motorcycles.html
In an unusually strong protectionist action, President Reagan today ordered a tenfold increase in tariffs for imported heavyweight motorycles.
The impact of Mr. Reagan's action, which followed the unanimous recommendation of his trade advisers, is effectively limited to Japanese manufacturers, which dominate every sector of the American motorycycle market.
The action was exceptional for protecting a single American company, the Harley-Davidson Motor Company of Milwaukee, the sole surviving American maker of motorcycles.
In an unusually strong protectionist action, President Reagan today ordered a tenfold increase in tariffs for imported heavyweight motorycles.
The impact of Mr. Reagan's action, which followed the unanimous recommendation of his trade advisers, is effectively limited to Japanese manufacturers, which dominate every sector of the American motorycycle market.
The action was exceptional for protecting a single American company, the Harley-Davidson Motor Company of Milwaukee, the sole surviving American maker of motorcycles.
Higgs
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Oh come on. He do]isn't put his hands on her chest and you know it. He had a rolled up piece of paper that he was pointing at her with and the paper may have slightly touched the area right above her boobs below her neck. Was it bad form for an older man? Maybe. Was it touching her chest, groping, or sexual assault? Maybe on Planet Liberal but not here.
Higgs
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McGarnicle
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You Trump guys, we forgive you. Go ahead and concede this was an exciting lark for a while, he talked big and made us all laugh and certainly turned this into an interesting election season. But in the end we can all see what this was. We all know Trump being elected president is about as likely as me being named archbishop of Saudi Arabia. Given these recent gaffes, maybe it's true that he didn't want it at all. That's as good an explanation for his bizarre statements as any. But nonetheless, let's now begin the process of healing and put this nonsense behind us. For the good of the country, and the FFA. I'll say it again -- I believe in you! 
dfsguy
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This is the funniest post of yours yet
" Ex-Breitbart reporter Michelle Fields said Wednesday she had temporarily moved out of her D.C.-area apartment over safety concerns after Fox News and BuzzFeed accidentally published her address online. "
It's Donald Trumps fault that Fox News and BuzzFeed accidentally posted her address? Anymore post like these and I'll be putting you on ignore.
dfsguy
Footballguy
Let me sleep on it and see if my dreams tell me anything.You Trump guys, we forgive you. Go ahead and concede this was an exciting lark for a while, he talked big and made us all laugh and certainly turned this into an interesting election season. But in the end we can all see what this was. We all know Trump being elected president is about as likely as me being named archbishop of Saudi Arabia. Given these recent gaffes, maybe it's true that he didn't want it at all. That's as good an explanation for his bizarre statements as any. But nonetheless, let's now begin the process of healing and put this nonsense behind us. For the good of the country, and the FFA. I'll say it again -- I believe in you!
Leroy Hoard
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I for one think McGarnicle would make a great Archbishop of Saudi Arabia.
cstu
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You really want to go there?
Reagan's hypocritical rhetoric and actions on free trade vs. protectionism.
timschochet
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Latest NY poll has Trump winning there by 20. If those numbers hold up, he's going to be the nominee, no matter what happens in Wisconsin. IMO.
Higgs
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Yeah, this. I still don't get how this is a thing. He was asked a hypothetical question that assumes abortion is illegal. He answered that for women having an abortion, there should be some sort of penalty. If abortion becomes illegal it's because it means it's murder. And if it's murder, the woman who is consenting to the procedure is complicit in it. There's no possible way of getting around this. Personally I don't care what the prevailing Conservative wisdom has been in this space regarding this hypothetical. So dumb that this is an issue.
i'll agree that there is an issue with Trump not answering the question well. He should have said he's not engaging in hypotheticals like that and stuck to his guns. And then the backtracking later made it worse. Not good for a guy who wants to be President and a huge red flag.
dfsguy
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Can't see how Cruz could ever win NY after what he said. Probably one of the dumbest moments in this election.
dfsguy
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The biggest takeaway an honest person would get from this Michelle Fields scam is that Trump doesn't cave under pressure, and he will always do the right thing even when it would be easier to just fire the guy and move on. That shows Trump has tremendous character.
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Because, even for pro-lifers, the party line is that the doctors would be the ones paying the penalties. In a bizzaro world where women would have this right to make their own decisions regarding their bodies taken away, no one in their right mind is going to also add the part about them going to jail if they feel the need to get one.
Since I consider abortion an issue that's mostly irrelevant because they will never reverse the law on it, I'm not that concerned about Trump's guffaw. What concerns me is how unprepared he has looked over the past couple of weeks. He's really starting to crack under the pressure and every day he is saying or tweeting things that would have destroyed the career of any other politician. This guy is in so far over his head that it's really hard to believe this isn't an episode of Punk'd or something. I'm just waiting for his supporters to wake up and realize it was a fun little experiment, but enough is enough.
timschochet
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One of the most amusing (and frankly, shameful) aspects of the Trump candidacy are these attempts by certain pro-Trump "experts" to provide larger, well thought themes for his incoherence on a variety of issues. If Trump were to read this article no doubt he would begin by having no clue as to what the author was referring to and end with saying, "Yeah, that was EXACTLY what I meant."
McGarnicle
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dfsguy
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timschochet
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Trump is now unpopular among every group, even white men:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/blogs/plum-line/wp/2016/03/31/nightmare-nominee-nobody-likes-donald-trump-not-even-white-men/?client=safari#
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/blogs/plum-line/wp/2016/03/31/nightmare-nominee-nobody-likes-donald-trump-not-even-white-men/?client=safari#
Blick
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That's it, I'm out. I'm off the Trump train.
I see our government as broken. Between pandering to the extremist in both parties, obstructionism and do-nothingness in congress, and economic stagnation in the middle class, I looked at Trump's campaign as a sort of peaceful civil war. He's an outsider that is not afraid to take on all-comers. Someone that may have been able to use the leverage granted him as POTUS to reach across the aisle (just think, not long ago this was on both the Dems and Reps basic platform) and start to press congress to govern based on the good of their constituents and not their party. I wish someone more qualified, or more third party'ish would have taken up this torch, but as my dad always says, "sometimes you have to piss with the peter you got".
Because of all this, I was willing to overlook many of the gaffes he's made by chalking them up to inexperience and lack of polish. I didn't care if he didn't understood many of the things we expect our President to know because, as an outsider, there was going to need to be some on the job training.
The real shame is that I think he had the primary, and maybe even the general, locked up after Super Tuesday. His news conference that night was brilliant. He was in control, professional, and presidential. All he had to do was take the high road to the white house. He couldn't do it. He didn't even try to do it.
He didn't study up on basic issues. He didn't stop re-tweeting ignorant information. He continued personal attacks on Cruz and his wife. All unacceptable. He's lost me.
I'm assuming he has little chance to win the nomination now. Therefore, the question becomes, is all of this just going to be swept under the rug by the republican party, or will its leaders start to understand the issues that made Donald so popular.
Immigration - Immigration reform is way over-do. Regardless of the final bill, as long as it shores up the border, I don't see how it won't pass.
Middle Class - Trade, taxes, education, etc., etc., etc., as they relate to the middle class need to be brought to the forefront. I'm a strong believer that this country works best when there's a strong middle class. Both parties will say it, but neither will act on it. Its all about the (middle class) economy stupid!
Military Inventions - I'm growing increasingly tired of my tax dollars being spent on policing the world when our infrastructure and education system are in shambles.
Campaign Finance - Corporate campaign financing and the potential corruption it causes has to be addressed. I'm feeling the bern on this one.
My vote will be cast on April 26th in PA. Since its a closed primary, I can only vote republican. Therefore, I'll probably pull the lever for Kasich as Cruz is too conservative for my liking. Quite honestly, if I could vote for the democratic ticket, I'd probably vote for Bernie as a vote against Hilary. To me, she represents all that is bad in governments today.
Now, I'm still on the platform and the train hasn't left. I can be won back, but he's going to have to earn it.
I see our government as broken. Between pandering to the extremist in both parties, obstructionism and do-nothingness in congress, and economic stagnation in the middle class, I looked at Trump's campaign as a sort of peaceful civil war. He's an outsider that is not afraid to take on all-comers. Someone that may have been able to use the leverage granted him as POTUS to reach across the aisle (just think, not long ago this was on both the Dems and Reps basic platform) and start to press congress to govern based on the good of their constituents and not their party. I wish someone more qualified, or more third party'ish would have taken up this torch, but as my dad always says, "sometimes you have to piss with the peter you got".
Because of all this, I was willing to overlook many of the gaffes he's made by chalking them up to inexperience and lack of polish. I didn't care if he didn't understood many of the things we expect our President to know because, as an outsider, there was going to need to be some on the job training.
The real shame is that I think he had the primary, and maybe even the general, locked up after Super Tuesday. His news conference that night was brilliant. He was in control, professional, and presidential. All he had to do was take the high road to the white house. He couldn't do it. He didn't even try to do it.
He didn't study up on basic issues. He didn't stop re-tweeting ignorant information. He continued personal attacks on Cruz and his wife. All unacceptable. He's lost me.
I'm assuming he has little chance to win the nomination now. Therefore, the question becomes, is all of this just going to be swept under the rug by the republican party, or will its leaders start to understand the issues that made Donald so popular.
Immigration - Immigration reform is way over-do. Regardless of the final bill, as long as it shores up the border, I don't see how it won't pass.
Middle Class - Trade, taxes, education, etc., etc., etc., as they relate to the middle class need to be brought to the forefront. I'm a strong believer that this country works best when there's a strong middle class. Both parties will say it, but neither will act on it. Its all about the (middle class) economy stupid!
Military Inventions - I'm growing increasingly tired of my tax dollars being spent on policing the world when our infrastructure and education system are in shambles.
Campaign Finance - Corporate campaign financing and the potential corruption it causes has to be addressed. I'm feeling the bern on this one.
My vote will be cast on April 26th in PA. Since its a closed primary, I can only vote republican. Therefore, I'll probably pull the lever for Kasich as Cruz is too conservative for my liking. Quite honestly, if I could vote for the democratic ticket, I'd probably vote for Bernie as a vote against Hilary. To me, she represents all that is bad in governments today.
Now, I'm still on the platform and the train hasn't left. I can be won back, but he's going to have to earn it.
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HellToupee
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Saints is like a RSS reader feed for negative trump news
dfsguy
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Don't think it's as important as you believe it to be, because Trump has the skills required to make his opponents look even worse than he does. In a head to head Trump will keep pummeling whoever it is until they beg for mercy.
Joe Summer
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He caved on the Muslim ban. He caved on forcing the military to follow illegal orders. He caved on H-1B visas. He caved on disavowing David Duke.
Oh, and he caved on his abortion comment about 30 seconds after he made it.
MattFancy
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lod01
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dfsguy
Footballguy
This is how I've seen the situation all along. I loved the idea of what Trump represented. US politics is broken. One party totally blocking the other from getting anything done. The hate and the spite. It's just horrible. An outsider is exactly what we all need. Republican or democrat. Doesn't matter. The only problem was who that outsider was as a person. While he may have fixed some of the problems with the political system, he was causing more hatred and division than this country has seen since the 1950's. You can't take a stand against politics and totally close your eyes to a guy's character and lack of knowledge. This guy couldn't be president of a local Boy Scout pack, let alone of the United States of America.
Skoo
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First of all,
Secondly, I think you might be a democrat. While outside of Bernie I unfortunately don't expect any movement on campaign finance, GOP tax cuts always go to the rich and they will never, ever, under any circumstance decrease funding for the military.
Have you heard them in the debates? "Our military has been DECIMATED!" It's unreal.
Not meant as an attack, just trying to recruit
We need all the progressives we can get here in Purple PA!
massraider
Footballguy
Kind of like when he and his henchmen changed their story after the video emerged?
Before that, it was all lies. After that, it was no big deal.
How's his investigation of Obama's birth certificate going?
dfsguy
Footballguy
Kasich is a joke, any guy that wants to ban Fargo just because they don't like it isn't an adult. Also, if you paid attention to Kasich you'll see his positions are ones that benefit his donors, not US citizens. By all means though, vote for a guy that won't put your interest firsts because the media constantly manipulates everything Trump says.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Joe Summer
Footballguy
Step 1: it's all lies.
Step 2: what's the big deal?
Step 3: it was taken out of context.
Step 4: "What I meant by that was..."
Step 2: what's the big deal?
Step 3: it was taken out of context.
Step 4: "What I meant by that was..."
Skoo
Footballguy
Yeah, how dare they record the words coming out of his mouth!
http://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000004269364/trump-and-violence.html
massraider
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massraider
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timschochet
Footballguy
You're right, he's winning- among Republicans.
What doesn't add up is that Republican voters have gone off the deep end. But it's clear they're not taking the nation with them. The American public as a whole is not nearly as angry or pessimistic as Republicans are.
Here's proof: latest approval ratings for President Obama is 53%. Among Republicans his approval rating is 12%. That's a huge disparity. It suggests that the rest of the nation just doesn't share conservative attitudes. Which is the main reason Trump is likely to get wiped out in the electoral college IMO.
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