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"Official" Donald Trump for President: Great Wall of Mexico (2 Viewers)

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JuniorNB said:
Hilarious that dsfguy, higgs, rbm, hell toupee, and card trader all went into hiding last night. 5 guys who love running their mouths suddenly turn into Sallies when their messiah gets his ### handed to him.  What's wrong guys? Not feeling quite so talkative lately?  :lmao:
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I think rbm made a post. But he usually doesn't, just a bunch of likes for any cockamamy stuff that is pro-Trump. Otherwise, yeah.

 
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timschochet said:
So he's losing tonight. And he can't get above 50%. 

But he's still going to have a lot more votes than any other candidate. If they deny him the nomination, it's going to feel rigged to a lot of people. 
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And yet more people are voting AGAINST him than for him. Plus, he can't seem to figure out how politics works, what with Cruz working behind the scenes to sew up delegates that are unbound after the first, second or third (in the case of Florida) ballot.

If/when he loses, it'll be fair and square.

 
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SaintsInDome2006 said:
So following up on the prior reports about the crumbling of the actual Donald campaign team, it now turns out that Donald hasn't been able to access his own campaign data because they laid off the guy who ran that for him up without training a replacement.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/275220-trump-data-leader-left-campaign-last-month-report

Donald has been eliminating staff in key general election states.
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There's trouble in Trump City, alright....

Annnnd that’s why the campaign is going to be in trouble, really.  It’s not so much that Trump has had a bad couple of weeks. All campaigns do – and then they can have good weeks, too. In Trump’s case, for example: he’s supposed to do extremely well in New York in a couple of weeks, so that should superficially help him.  But talking to the media off the record is apparently an extraordinarily addictive experience for people in political campaigns; Team Trump’s been actively engaged in efforst to suppress that habit for a while now, but apparently it’s easier to make people keep their mouths shut when you’re winning than it is when you’re losing. Worse, once your people get a taste for spilling the beans, they’ll keep doing it… and they’ll tell the media the stuff that the campaign would rather not get out
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:lmao:

 
Of course, if he can't win by his glorious presence, gross intimidation will work too.

"Join us in the Forest City. We're going to have protests, demonstrations," Stone said. "We will disclose the hotels and the room numbers of those delegates who are directly involved in the steal. If you're from Pennsylvania, we'll tell you who the culprits are. We urge you to visit their hotel and find them."
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This is insightful. So Trump has absolutely no compunction against using threats, intimidation, and bullying to get what he wants. And he's here to "unify" the party?

:lmao:   :lmao:   :lmao:  

 
JuniorNB said:
Hilarious that dsfguy, higgs, rbm, hell toupee, and card trader all went into hiding last night. 5 guys who love running their mouths suddenly turn into Sallies when their messiah gets his ### handed to him.  What's wrong guys? Not feeling quite so talkative lately?  :lmao:
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Gotta be honest, it's tough to take politics this long. I've been following everything I possibly can since last July or so and I need a break from it.  With 7 months left I need to give myself a break or I'll never make it. 

The whole delegate crap is extremely boring to me also. 

 
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RBM said:
Gotta be honest, it's tough to take politics this long. I've been following everything I possibly can since last July or so and I need a break from it.  With 7 months left I need to give myself a break or I'll never make it. 

The whole delegate crap is extremely boring to me also. 
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The timing is hilarious. Trump has his worst week ever. His campaign manager is arrested. Every time he opens his mouth, he sounds less intelligent and qualified. He gets destroyed by 13 percentage points in a state he was picked to win just two weeks ago....and suddenly, you guys need a break.  lol     His home state is coming up.  I'm sure that'll be the week you feel rejuvenated and ready to run your mouths again. :lmao:

 
The Republican party is certainly in bind.  I don't see any outcome the establishment will find acceptable.  At this rate, Trump will have a delegate lead at the convention.  The remaining states will just determine how large the lead is and whether or not he can gain a majority.  His only competition is Cruz, who the establishment can't stand.  So this leads to four potential outcomes.

  1. Trump gains a majority and the nomination.
  2. Trumpmaintains a large delegate lead and the RNC has no choice but to award him the nomination.
  3. The race tightens and the RNC awards the nomination to Cruz with less delegates.
  4. They go off the rails and award the nomination to someone who has not competed, or competed poorly in the primary. 
Right now it looks like numbers 2 or 3 are most likely.  I can't wait to hear the RNC speeches saying how great one of these to guys are for the country. 

If they go number 4, I think there will be long lasting negative consequences for the party.

 
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Blick said:
The Republican party is certainly in bind.  I don't see any outcome the establishment will find acceptable.  At this rate, Trump will have a delegate lead at the convention.  The remaining states will just determine how large the lead is and whether or not he can gain a majority.  His only competition is Cruz, who the establishment can't stand.  So this leads to four potential outcomes.

  1. Trump gains a majority and the nomination.
  2. Trump has a large maintains a large delegate lead and the RNC has no choice but to award him the nomination.
  3. The race tightens and the RNC awards the nomination to Cruz with less delegates.
  4. They go off the rails and award the nomination to someone who has not competed, or competed poorly in the primary. 
Right now it looks like numbers 2 or 3 are most likely.  I can't wait to hear the RNC speeches saying how great one of these to guys are for the country. 

If they go number 4, I think there will be long lasting negative consequences for the party.
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I agree. The damage that Trump has done to the Republican Party is going to be felt for decades.

 
JuniorNB said:
I agree. The damage that Trump has done to the Republican Party is going to be felt for decades.
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Or, and the result a lot of Trump supporters are hoping for, it leads the Republican party back to the middle with more focus on middle class problems.

I don't see it as damage.  Its either going to continue to be business as usual, or they start moving to the middle a bit.

 
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SaintsInDome2006 said:
No tweets from Donald last night but he did issue an actual press release.

https://mobile.twitter.com/costareports/status/717537276906102784

In which he accuses Cruz of committing a crime, claims Cruz is a "puppet", and claims that the GOP is trying to steal its own nomination process.
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He actually says Cruz is "worse than a puppet, he's a Trojan Horse" and then describes how he's being used by "GOP party bosses" in a way that sounds very puppet-like and not at all like a Trojan horse. I don't even know who would be the Trojans and who would be the Greeks in the attempted metaphor.

I realize that mangling metaphors and ancient Greek history is pretty far down on the list of grievous errors made by the Trump campaign, but still ...

 
The only reason Trump made it this far is that the Republican Party had no viable candidate after they had EIGHT years to prepare for it.

 
TobiasFunke said:
He actually says Cruz is "worse than a puppet, he's a Trojan Horse" and then describes how he's being used by "GOP party bosses" in a way that sounds very puppet-like and not at all like a Trojan horse. I don't even know who would be the Trojans and who would be the Greeks in the attempted metaphor.

I realize that mangling metaphors and ancient Greek history is pretty far down on the list of grievous errors made by the Trump campaign, but still ...
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I think he's saying that he's going to be vehicle in which the Republican establishment maintains control.  At this point, he's right.  There's a reason the "Stop Trump" movement is supporting Cruz.

 
TobiasFunke said:
He actually says Cruz is "worse than a puppet, he's a Trojan Horse" and then describes how he's being used by "GOP party bosses" in a way that sounds very puppet-like and not at all like a Trojan horse. I don't even know who would be the Trojans and who would be the Greeks in the attempted metaphor.

I realize that mangling metaphors and ancient Greek history is pretty far down on the list of grievous errors made by the Trump campaign, but still ...
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I'd like to hear a reporter ask Donald to explain the Trojan horse metaphor in greater detail. Who were the Trojans, why did they have this horse, how did the GOP acquire it, etc.

 
Blick said:
I think he's saying that he's going to be vehicle in which the Republican establishment maintains control.  At this point, he's right.  There's a reason the "Stop Trump" movement is supporting Cruz.
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Right. And that's a puppet, not a Trojan Horse.

Like I said, that campaign will say 5 stupider things today.  But still, I can't help it. I'm a dork.

 
Blick said:
I think he's saying that he's going to be vehicle in which the Republican establishment maintains control.  At this point, he's right.  There's a reason the "Stop Trump" movement is supporting Cruz.
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Isn't conservative tv and radio media part of the establishment? Hannity, Limbaugh, Levin, Pirro, etc.? They're almost all supporting Trump.

 
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Blick said:
Or, and the result a lot of Trump supporters are hoping for, it leads the Republican party back to the middle with more focus on middle class problems.

I don't see it as damage.  Its either going to continue to be business as usual, or they start moving to the middle a bit.
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It is not "to the middle" to want to deport every illegal immigrant and put a wall on our southern border. 

This is the key issue that put Trump in the lead in the first place. The base of the Republican Party is intrasigent and they are out of step with the majority of the American public on this issue. Until they are willing to change their tune I don't see Republicans winning Presidential elections. 

 
timschochet said:
It is not "to the middle" to want to deport every illegal immigrant and put a wall on our southern border. 

This is the key issue that put Trump in the lead in the first place. The base of the Republican Party is intrasigent and they are out of step with the majority of the American public on this issue. Until they are willing to change their tune I don't see Republicans winning Presidential elections. 
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Compared to Cruz in this election that can't be further right?  Or the obstruction that's happening across both parties as they pander to the extremes?  He's out of step on the deportation of illegals, but he's not on the premise that our border needs to be secure. 

As the old saying goes, 2 out of 3 ain't bad.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
I'd like to hear a reporter ask Donald to explain the Trojan horse metaphor in greater detail. Who were the Trojans, why did they have this horse, how did the GOP acquire it, etc.
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Probably not the best metaphor, but I don't think this is a big deal.  How many people actually know anything about the ancient Greeks.

 
Blick said:
Probably not the best metaphor, but I don't think this is a big deal.  How many people actually know anything about the ancient Greeks.
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Oh, it's not a big deal at all. It's just a lot more fun to focus on instances in which his blustering stupidity is harmless instead of wildly dangerous.

 
Blick said:
Probably not the best metaphor, but I don't think this is a big deal.  How many people actually know anything about the ancient Greeks.
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Include me in with the group who is not very knowledgeable about the Trojans.  The difference being, I wouldn't choose to show everyone my ignorance by making reference to them.  rump really needs to hire one intelligent person and keep him by his side day and night. Advising him on what to say or Tweet. Or at least educating him and correcting things before he says them.

 
JuniorNB said:
Include me in with the group who is not very knowledgeable about the Trojans.  The difference being, I wouldn't choose to show everyone my ignorance by making reference to them.  rump really needs to hire one intelligent person and keep him by his side day and night. Advising him on what to say or Tweet. Or at least educating him and correcting things before he says them.
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No disagreement.  It's one the things that has soured my support for him.  The Heidi Cruz picture retweet was horrible.

 
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SaintsInDome2006 said:
I'd like to hear a reporter ask Donald to explain the Trojan horse metaphor in greater detail. Who were the Trojans, why did they have this horse, how did the GOP acquire it, etc.
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I presume if a Trojan horse is being used to get within the walls of the Trump campaign that Trump views himself as either Priam, the king of Troy, or perhaps as Paris, the pretty boy second in line to the throne who stole Helen from Menelaus.  Perhaps he sees himself as an amalgam of both with a bit of Hector thrown in.  Now his wife may dig being cast as Helen, a stretch, but o.k., but I am unclear if Cruz would then be Agamemnon or Achilles.  

 
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Ditkaless Wonders said:
I presume if a Trojan horse is being used to get within the walls of the Trump campaign that Trump views himself as either Priam, the king of Troy, or perhaps as Paris, the pretty boy second in line to the throne who stole Helen from Menelaus.  perhaps he sees himself as an amalgam of both with a bit of hector thrown in.  Now his wife may dig being cast as Helen, a stretch, but o.k., but I am unclear if Cruz would then be Agamemnon or Achilles.  
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That's some heavy stuff right there!

 
timschochet said:
It is not "to the middle" to want to deport every illegal immigrant and put a wall on our southern border. 

This is the key issue that put Trump in the lead in the first place. The base of the Republican Party is intrasigent and they are out of step with the majority of the American public on this issue. Until they are willing to change their tune I don't see Republicans winning Presidential elections. 
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If Trump made the general and lost to Hillary, it would not be because of specific issues. 

 
Things are looking really bad for the GOP short term with those two goobers as their best options but we've seen parties get smashed in presidential elections before and come roaring back in fairly short order. The electorate is becoming more liberal but not so much that a Republican Party espousing pragmatic policies that appeal to the middle and lower classes can't be competitive in the near future. Plus they're going to remain strong in the house because of the way their base votes at that level, no matter what year it is. 

Arguing for building walls, tossing out illegals and strengthening the right to discriminate against people because of religious convictions won't be the path back to power in future USA.

 
Er, well, without Donald Trump, in the last 7 years the GOP has seen a net gain of:

900+ state seats,

14 US Senate seats

65+ US House seats, and

12 governorships

Because "Winning."

With Donald they stand to lose the Senate, maybe the House, plus other stuff.

 
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Anxiously awaiting trump's next in-artful literary reference.  King Lear, Atticus Finch, Gulliver, the Great Gatsby, who will it be?  My guess, Horton.  He was faithful 100%.

 
Horton also taught us that a person is a person, no matter how small.  Trump will no doubt misunderstand that message.

We've got to make noises in greater amounts! So open your mouths boys because every voice counts!

Lots of wisdom in Horton.  wisdom that would evade the Donald.  Lord knows what he could mangle from Pooh.

 
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Watched this yesterday about Trump's plane and his personal pilot. The plane is taken to a hangar in Georgia for a routine inspection and some upgrades that Trump wanted, and there's some tension as they're on a deadline -- Trump has a trip planned to Scotland to visit his golf course and absolutely must have his plane ready in time.

The interior of the plane is all fine wood, leather, suede, mohair and gold plating as you'd expect. What stood out for me was this pilot, a 60ish guy who's been flying his whole life, down on his hands and knees frantically scrubbing, because if there's the slightest blemish anywhere he'll get "crucified" by Trump. I'm sure the pilot is well compensated but it's pathetic to watch. Anyway it's an interesting show if you're into planes or if you love or hate Trump.

 
Behind the scenes, Lewandowski is fighting to preserve his own power and to box out Paul Manafort, who was hired last month to lead the campaign’s delegate corralling effort. “Corey and his people know the knives are out for them,” said one source close to the campaign, referring to Manafort as a “pretty experienced in-fighter.”

On Saturday, Lewandowski went as far as to fire a young operative named James Baker, who’d been recently put in charge of its Colorado campaign—he’d arrived in the state less than 48 hours earlier—because he’d been communicating with Manafort after Lewandowski instructed him not to do so, two sources with direct knowledge of the situation confirmed.

Manafort is scheduled to meet with Trump in New York Wednesday morning and likely to threaten to quit if he doesn’t see more cooperation, according to one source. “If Manafort walks, this thing comes apart,” they said. “And some of the people close to him are ready to walk.”
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http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/donald-trump-wisconsin-loss-221617#ixzz453OgH4aQ

- Shocker, operation driven by ripping and tearing opponents turns inward and starts biting its own limbs when things go sour.

 
McGarnicle said:
Watched this yesterday about Trump's plane and his personal pilot. The plane is taken to a hangar in Georgia for a routine inspection and some upgrades that Trump wanted, and there's some tension as they're on a deadline -- Trump has a trip planned to Scotland to visit his golf course and absolutely must have his plane ready in time.

The interior of the plane is all fine wood, leather, suede, mohair and gold plating as you'd expect. What stood out for me was this pilot, a 60ish guy who's been flying his whole life, down on his hands and knees frantically scrubbing, because if there's the slightest blemish anywhere he'll get "crucified" by Trump. I'm sure the pilot is well compensated but it's pathetic to watch. Anyway it's an interesting show if you're into planes or if you love or hate Trump.
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Another nice story along those lines, about how Donald will can total innocents in order to please an establishment Hollywood power broker:
 

In one of many in-depth interviews for my book, “Never Enough,” Trump told me the story himself, in an attempt to explain how certain celebrities have a dark side they hide from the public.

Carson, the now deceased TV icon, was a case in point. As Trump told it, the tale begins with Carson phoning him.

“So he calls me and he goes, ‘Donald, you have two f--king men that work in the building [who] stole my coat.’”

To clarify, Trump adds that the coat was an expensive one: “He had a beautiful vicuna coat. You know vicuna?”

Cute cousins of llamas, vicunas produce a fine wool used to make luxury clothes. ...

“So I said, ‘What do you mean stole your coat?’ I said, ‘Who are they?’

“He gives me their names, two guys, two regular workers. I call him back and I said, ‘Johnny, I just spoke to them. They didn’t take your . . . and Johnny these guys don’t wear vicuna coats. If they ever wore a vicuna coat they'd be run out of their neighborhood.’ ”

Trump went on: “He said, ‘I’m telling you. They stole the coat . . . and I think you have to fire them immediately.’

“I said, ‘Johnny, they say they didn’t do it. Are you sure?’ ”

“He said, ‘They stole my coat, 100%. It was on my bed and they stole my coat.’

At this point I expect to hear that, out of loyalty, Donald stood up to the belligerent celebrity and refused to fire his workers. He knew they couldn’t tell vicuna from corduroy and, like Lewandowski, they were probably “good men” with families to feed. Besides, there was no evidence to support Carson’s claim. In fact, Trump was telling me the story to illustrate Carson’s petulance. I’m all ready to hear Trump explain how virtue overcame status when he says, “I fire both guys.”

I don’t know if it was the look on my face, or Trump’s realization that the story wasn’t so flattering to him. But whatever the reason, he kept talking.

“I believed Johnny,” said Trump. “He said, ‘They stole my coat and they should be fired.’ I bring them in. ‘I didn't steal it.’ I said, ‘Fellas, look. He said you stole it. You’re fired.’ ”

The kicker, added Trump, came in another phone call from Carson. As he said, “Six months later, I get a call. It’s Johnny Carson. ‘Hey Donald, how are you doing? By the way, do you remember I told you about that coat? I just found it. It was in the closet on the back of one of my closets, hung up and I just found it.’

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http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/michael-antonio-donald-trump-johnny-carson-coat-article-1.2585742

 
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