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"Official" Donald Trump for President: Great Wall of Mexico (2 Viewers)

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It is not "to the middle" to want to deport every illegal immigrant and put a wall on our southern border. 

This is the key issue that put Trump in the lead in the first place. The base of the Republican Party is intrasigent and they are out of step with the majority of the American public on this issue. Until they are willing to change their tune I don't see Republicans winning Presidential elections. 
Securing our borders is not just a Republican concern........People in the middle are concerned about security...The things the Republicans need to lighten up on are abortion laws' gun control and religion....Abortion laws are not going to make us more secure, create jobs, or fix our national debt....Reasonable gun control seems very reasonable....Using a God that they believe in as a pawn seems counter to what religion is about...

 
Trump sucks. He's still better than Ted Cruz. Get to work all you Trump chumps and get your bloated ooompa loompa back on top.

 
Another nice story along those lines, about how Donald will can total innocents in order to please an establishment Hollywood power broker:
 

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/michael-antonio-donald-trump-johnny-carson-coat-article-1.2585742
As a former caddy at a club in CT, this kind of stuff hits close to home. Most of the members displayed the class you always hope to see among the wealthy, but we had a few Trumps who treated everyone like dog ####. There's no better display of true character imo, to see how someone in power treats underlings. Some are more gracious and generous than they need to be; others are just cruel and nasty because they can get away with it. 

 
As a former caddy at a club in CT, this kind of stuff hits close to home. Most of the members displayed the class you always hope to see among the wealthy, but we had a few Trumps who treated everyone like dog ####. There's no better display of true character imo, to see how someone in power treats underlings. Some are more gracious and generous than they need to be; others are just cruel and nasty because they can get away with it. 
So Trump is more like Judge Smails than Al Czervik?

 
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Trump sucks. He's still better than Ted Cruz. Get to work all you Trump chumps and get your bloated ooompa loompa back on top.
We could certainly use some help, starting in here.  In case you haven't noticed, this forum doesn't accurately represent the US demographics that put Trump in the lead.

 
We could certainly use some help, starting in here.  In case you haven't noticed, this forum doesn't accurately represent the US demographics that put Trump in the lead.
How so?  What do you think his support is nationally when put up against all candidates on both sides?  Probably about the same as the representation on here.

His dyed in the wool, all in supporters are there...the rest are barely hanging on...then you have those that think he is completely unqualified.

Id guess this board is pretty well representative of his overall percentages.

 
If Trump made the general and lost to Hillary, it would not be because of specific issues. 
Except for illegal immigration. 

I told you this long before Trump became a candidate: unless Republicans are willing to change their tune on this issue they're not going to win the Presidency. You don't have the votes, period. 

Some sort of compromise was always possible. You could've gotten the borders far more secured. You could've ended sanctuary cities and had all illegals who commit violent crimes deported. You could've prevented illegals living here from ever voting. All of that could've been done, but you would have to accept some sort of amnesty/recognition of the vast majority of illegals already here. You refused again and again. Now here you are and that's why, above all other factors, you're going to lose. 

 
Where do we talk about the Alabama Governor denying he had a physical affair with a staffer, and then they have audio where he's talking about throwing her over the back of a cotton gin?

 
We could certainly use some help, starting in here.  In case you haven't noticed, this forum doesn't accurately represent the US demographics that put Trump in the lead.
Us Bernie Bros have our hands full right now, HRC is going into hyper lying mode vs. Sanders so we're going to be busy setting the record straight for the next few months (or until Bernie gets crushed in NY, whatever comes first). I thought you guys had this. Just get Trump a decent manager and someone who can right cogent copy and he should get back on top.

 
We could certainly use some help, starting in here.  In case you haven't noticed, this forum doesn't accurately represent the US demographics that put Trump in the lead.
That's because this forum isn't comprised entirely of GOP or GOP-leaning voters, which is the only demographic that puts Trump in the lead. Any survey of the general population, likely voters, etc. shows him trailing badly.

This forum has a lot more college-educated voters than the population as a whole, so in that respect it doesn't capture the Trump demographic.  But it also has a much larger % of white males than the population as a whole, which cuts the other way.

 
How so?  What do you think his support is nationally when put up against all candidates on both sides?  Probably about the same as the representation on here.

His dyed in the wool, all in supporters are there...the rest are barely hanging on...then you have those that think he is completely unqualified.

Id guess this board is pretty well representative of his overall percentages.
I obviously don't have scientific polling to prove my point and would have to present anything as a gut feel or generality, but it seems this board is a little left leaning.  

 
I obviously don't have scientific polling to prove my point and would have to present anything as a gut feel or generality, but it seems this board is a little left leaning.  
There's a constant misperception among Trump supporters in here that anyone critical of Trump is "The Left". Trump is disliked by huge numbers of conservatives and moderates, for varying reasons.

I would predict that in any given election year, you'd see more support in here for whichever candidate is demonstrated to be more qualified, whether by virtue of experience, temperament, policies, debate performance, etc. Unfortunately this year all the leading choices are deeply flawed and unlikeable, so we're seeing more negative arguments against candidates than positive arguments for them. 

 
I obviously don't have scientific polling to prove my point and would have to present anything as a gut feel or generality, but it seems this board is a little left leaning.  


Socially, I would agree.  Though, the country continues to shift to the left socially.

And I think the 2 top GOP candidates right now would make many lean more left (and that too is not necessarily different than what we would see nationally...its just how unlikable they are).  I think if the GOP put up any decent candidate, you would see the same against HIllary.  Hell, there are already plenty on here against Hillary.

 
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There's a constant misperception among Trump supporters in here that anyone critical of Trump is "The Left". Trump is disliked by huge numbers of conservatives and moderates, for varying reasons.

I would predict that in any given election year, you'd see more support in here for whichever candidate is demonstrated to be more qualified, whether by virtue of experience, temperament, policies, debate performance, etc. Unfortunately this year all the leading choices are deeply flawed and unlikeable, so we're seeing more negative arguments against candidates than positive arguments for them. 
The only caveat to that is the fact that there doesn't seem to much Cruz support at all.  We've a thread on Bernie and Hilary, one (or three) on Trump, and none on Kasich or Cruz.  All discussion for the Republican candidates is center for and against Trump.

 
Trump wants to pay for his wall by threatening to expand the Patriot Act to include remittances sent to families in Mexico. Trump believes this threat will make Mexico agree to a one-time $5-10 billion payment for the cost of building the wall, "It’s an easy decision for Mexico.”

This is an attempt to get 0% of the eligible Mexican-American voters in the general election. More from Andres Oppenheimer of the Miami Herald about Trump's latest crazy idea: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/news-columns-blogs/andres-oppenheimer/article70280462.html

 
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The only caveat to that is the fact that there doesn't seem to much Cruz support at all.  We've a thread on Bernie and Hilary, one (or three) on Trump, and none on Kasich or Cruz.  All discussion for the Republican candidates is center for and against Trump.
Trump was a media phenomenon before this election cycle and is the most polarizing political figure I can recall. And he's had a rise to the top of the polls that defies all conventional logic, so of course he gets all the attention. Cruz is a weird creep who few people even heard of before this election cycle, and is probably gaining more anti-Trump votes than pro-Cruz votes. There are few things more unpleasant than thinking about or discussing Ted Cruz as president.

 
Except for illegal immigration. 

I told you this long before Trump became a candidate: unless Republicans are willing to change their tune on this issue they're not going to win the Presidency. You don't have the votes, period.
You're wrong. Trump could have trounced Hillary if he would have behaved like an adult. 

 
You're wrong. Trump could have trounced Hillary if he would have behaved like an adult. 
Behaving like a child is what got him this far.  This might be as far as he can go, but being the biggest tool in the shed is why he's here.  If he had acted like an adult, everyone could have focused more on his lack of coherent policy, his laughable plan to keep Mexicans out, and his lovely history with women.  

 
Behweaving like a child is what ithgot him thisbehavear.  This might be as far as he can go, but being the biggest tool in the shed is why he's here.  If he had acted like an adult, everyone could have focused more on his lack of coherent policy, his laughable plan to keep Mexicans out, and his lovely history with women.  
Wrong. He could have got here with vague policy and tough talk. The illegals stuff was his biggest selling point, always. And if he held strong on that plus behaved himself he would have cruised into the WH. 

 
Wrong. He could have got here with vague policy and tough talk. The illegals stuff was his biggest selling point, always. And if he held strong on that plus behaved himself he would have cruised into the WH. 
The racism stuff only is workable in the primaries. The very same minorities that he's insulting every day to get the standing ovations at his rallies, hold millions and millions of votes. Trump never had a chance in the general.

 
Seriously.

He makes a bunch of noise, panders to the freaking Iowa crackers, and he's going to win battleground states?  No. Way.

 
Every candidate has to walk the tight rope of being polarizing to the point where they attract enough voters in the primary but not polarizing to the point where they turn off too many voters in the general.

However, seeing as how the majority of the country (72% according the most recent pew research) are pro-amnesty and that Trump's campaign hinges on taking the opposite stance, I believe he never stood a chance. Forget the fact that he can't coherently articulate any of his "policies" or the myriad of other ways that he's been an unmitigated disaster, even in the most optimal of scenarios he still loses IMO.

 
I heard this morning that Romney got 40% of the female vote and got destroyed.  Trump is polling at getting around 24% of the female vote.  lol

 
I think everyone can await the post mortums btw, long way to go - conceivably if he pulls his pants up Donald could go on a 6 state win streak in NY, PA, MD, RI, CT, DE. Otoh if he sets about attacking local party icons and not doing his homework he could lose PA, a couple of the coastals and finish around 40 in NY. He's got yet another chance to change his MO.

 
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The racism stuff only is workable in the primaries. The very same minorities that he's insulting every day to get the standing ovations at his rallies, hold millions and millions of votes. Trump never had a chance in the general.
When I say behaved himself what do you think I mean?

 
When I say behaved himself what do you think I mean?
It doesn't matter. You still don't get it. Henry Ford is wrong about Romney too. 

No Republican wins unless they're for some form of amnesty. Period. Rubio, Bush and Kasich were the only chances. Any candidate who takes a hardline approach on illegal immigration loses. 

 
When I say behaved himself what do you think I mean?
I thought you meant the childish insults, promoting violence at his rallies, tweeting insulting things about his opponent's wives, etc.  If you meant hi stance on minorities, that's what made him so popular in the primaries. Yes, if he eliminated the racism, he may have stood a chance in the general, but that was his big selling point early-on and what gave him his momentum.

 
It doesn't matter. You still don't get it. Henry Ford is wrong about Romney too. 

No Republican wins unless they're for some form of amnesty. Period. Rubio, Bush and Kasich were the only chances. Any candidate who takes a hardline approach on illegal immigration loses. 
Donald has warped everything but you and Donald probably have the same definition of amnesty. If people here illegally aren't deported that's 'amnesty.' The GOP had a wide menu of options after that including some which weren't all that different from where Hillary was in 2014. Who knows what they do now, probably everyone has tuned them out after Donald's escapades. Can't remember what Cruz's positions have been, he's had multiple.

 
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It doesn't matter. You still don't get it. Henry Ford is wrong about Romney too. 

No Republican wins unless they're for some form of amnesty. Period. Rubio, Bush and Kasich were the only chances. Any candidate who takes a hardline approach on illegal immigration loses. 
What you have to do is act soft to get the votes. Then you bring the hammer down on these law breakers.

 
It doesn't matter. You still don't get it. Henry Ford is wrong about Romney too. 

No Republican wins unless they're for some form of amnesty. Period. Rubio, Bush and Kasich were the only chances. Any candidate who takes a hardline approach on illegal immigration loses. 
This is not a one issue election Tim.  There are plenty of other platforms that a Republican could run on and win the general - especially against Hillary.  It just so happens that the Republicans seem determined to nominate someone even more unlikeable than Hillary.

 
It doesn't matter. You still don't get it. Henry Ford is wrong about Romney too. 

No Republican wins unless they're for some form of amnesty. Period. Rubio, Bush and Kasich were the only chances. Any candidate who takes a hardline approach on illegal immigration loses. 
Wrong. Sorry, you will never get it.  

 
I thought you meant the childish insults, promoting violence at his rallies, tweeting insulting things about his opponent's wives, etc.  If you meant hi stance on minorities, that's what made him so popular in the primaries. Yes, if he eliminated the racism, he may have stood a chance in the general, but that was his big selling point early-on and what gave him his momentum.
You know what, he could have made the illegals comment and still kicked ### in November.  He didn't lose any votes over what weenies like you want to call "promoting violence at rallies". People saw thru that attempt.  The Megyn Kelly and Heidi Cruz crap have killed him and all that could've been avoided. After Super Tuesday he needed to tone it down big time and prepare for Hillary and he would have steamrolled. His base was cemented, he didn't need more antics. But, instead of toning it down he amped it up a few notches and people finally got tired of it. 

Guys like you and most of the hyper sensitive types that hang out in here constantly and dissect every move the guy makes don't count. You don't represent the middle of the road crowd that only follows politics from afar and only follow every 4 years. He could've still got that crowd who most likely know just enough about Hillary that they want no part of voting for her. 

 
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What a botched analysis of the situation. You seem to be grossly disconnected from the reality of the situation, but what do I know, I'm just a weenie.  :lmao:

 
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You know what, he could have made the illegals comment and still kicked ### in November.  He didn't lose any votes over what weenies like you want to call "promoting violence at rallies". People saw thru that attempt.  The Megyn Kelly and Heidi Cruz crap have killed him and all that could've been avoided. After Super Tuesday he needed to tone it down big time and prepare for Hillary and he would have steamrolled. His base was cemented, he didn't need more antics. But, instead of toning it down he amped it up a few notches and people finally got tired of it. 

Guys like you and most of the hyper sensitive types that hang out in here constantly and dissect every move the guy makes don't count. You don't represent the middle of the road crowd that only follows politics from afar and only follow every 4 years. He could've still got that crowd who most likely know just enough about Hillary that they want no part of voting for her. 
:lmao: .  Hyper sensitive. That's hilarious.  And you're clueless. 

 
Ditka Butkus said:
Securing our borders is not just a Republican concern........People in the middle are concerned about security...The things the Republicans need to lighten up on are abortion laws' gun control and religion....Abortion laws are not going to make us more secure, create jobs, or fix our national debt....Reasonable gun control seems very reasonable....Using a God that they believe in as a pawn seems counter to what religion is about...
What is a reasonable gun control law?

 
What a botched analysis of the situation. You seem to be grossly disconnected from the reality of the situation, but what do I know, I'm just a weenie.  :lmao:
Of course you think that. At least I can admit I'm to the far end of the one side where I don't get how any of his stuff is offensive. You will never acknowledge you're all the way over to the opposite where every ####### thing is offensive. 

 
Henry Ford said:
Romney would wipe the floor with her this year. 
That's interesting to speculate on.

I think a candidate in either party with likeability with some degree of faith in experience or capability would march to the WH this year, it's true. If it's Donald or Cruz vs Hillary someone with some name recognition and those qualities would win. The fact of it so obvious to me I really half expect it to happen.

 
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