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timschochet said:
I must correct you. The two biggest Hillary fans in the FFA have been myself and squistion- at times we were the ONLY true Hillary fans here, the only two who were enthusiastic rather than reluctant supporters. 

To the best of my knowledge, squistion has not commented on this issue. My only direct comment was made yesterday: I stated that while there should be an investigation, I doubted that the Wikileaks story had any real effect on the result of the election. 

So you're wrong again. 
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That is correct. I haven't commented at all on this. But like many others here, Quez never misses an opportunity to mischaracterize someone's position or just flat out make up stuff.  

 
timschochet said:
You've made this argument on several occasions. I agree with you that the "line in the sand" thing was poor tactics by Obama. But in terms of his overall strategy, I'll ask again the basic question: what should we have done differently? I have yet to find a critic of Obama on Syria who is willing to answer this question. 
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Not going to pretend I know all the answers on Syria.  But if POTUS stands up and say's "If you cross this line we're going to intervene" he'd better damn intervene when the line is crossed.  The error was one of incredibly poor judgement at State and arrogance on the part of the administration.  There are some things you just don't say as POTUS without carrying the stick in your back pocket.

 
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Henry Ford said:
For those unaware of what's going on in the world, Russia signed on to an OPEC production reduction deal yesterday, solidifying an energy alliance with Saudi Arabia.  This will significantly bolster its oil market in rubles, Putin's dream that was finally brought to fruition early this year.  If China and Saudi Arabia sign on to trade oil in rubles - and that's still a big "if" right now - the U.S. is crippled in the global economic marketplace.  This is one big goal many think Russia has.  It's ambitious, but it's doable.  It would require Russia to drive a wedge between the U.S. and China and between the U.S. and Saudi Arabia.  I wonder how that's going.

https://www.ft.com/content/b59c0e9c-bfab-11e6-81c2-f57d90f6741a

Edit to include article from FT, which I believe is subscription.

The first global crude supply pact in 15 years has underlined the growing energy alliance between Saudi Arabia and Russia, as the depth of the two-year oil slump forces co-operation between once unlikely partners.

Russia led the main oil producers from outside the Opec cartel, including Mexico and Kazakhstan, in a deal signed this weekend to reduce supply by 568,000 barrels a day — with Moscow, the largest non-Opec exporter, agreeing to shoulder just over half the cut.

Brent crude was up as much as 6.5 per cent within minutes of markets opening in Asia on Monday, to a year-high above $57.89 a barrel, following the non-Opec deal.

The agreement follows almost a year of petro-diplomacy that led Russian president Vladimir Putin and Saudi Arabian leaders to put aside differences over the war in Syria as their economies struggle to adapt to the halving in oil prices since mid-2014.

The direct co-operation between the world’s top two crude exporters comes after Saudi Arabia on November 30 led the 13-member Opec cartel in a deal to cut supply by more than 1m b/d, pushing prices up 15 per cent to above $54 a barrel.

“It is very significant to have an agreement by the two powerhouses that are Russia and Saudi Arabia,” said Olivier Jakob, analyst at the Petromatrix consultancy. “A new geopolitical dynamic is being created which could be transformative for oil markets.”

Saudi Arabia and Russia together account for more than a fifth of global oil supplies, but mistrust between the two nations has not easily been overcome.

Russia reneged on a previous joint deal to reduce output during the last prolonged oil slump at the turn of the century, and its offer to reduce supply by 300,000 b/d this time is seen as partly including natural declines from older fields.

But the involvement of Mr Putin, who has held talks this year with Saudi’s powerful Deputy Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, adds weight to Moscow’s commitment.

“With Putin directly involved in brokering this deal and Saudi Arabia and Russia co-operating on various fronts, not just the oil market, Putin is likely to put substantial political pressure on the companies to ensure substantial, if not full, compliance,” said Amrita Sen, co-founder at Energy Aspects.

Saudi Arabia has traditionally acted as the oil market’s so-called swing producer, raising production when supplies were tight and lowering them when necessary to bolster the market and support the price.

But in 2014 the rapid growth of US shale and other high-cost output, after almost four years of $100 oil, led Riyadh to abandon its role due to fear of losing market share.

The subsequent crash in prices has stalled non-Opec supply growth and led to as much as a trillion dollars in investment cuts, but also hammered the budgets of major oil producers.

Riyadh has embarked on an ambitious project to end its economy’s over reliance on oil revenues but needs a higher price in the short term to achieve its goals, including listing part of Saudi Aramco, its state oil company, to raise funds.

It feared giving up more market share to Russia, one of the few non-Opec countries to successfully keep raising output during the slump. Russian output this year reached a record above 11m b/d, but a painful oil-price triggered recession — compounded by sanctions over Russia’s involvement in Ukraine — led Moscow to talks.

“Negotiations from technical to leadership went on for a year with meetings in Russia and elsewhere,” said one Opec delegate. “This wasn’t a game and it didn’t come easily but it is impossible to see [Mr Putin] changing his mind. Saudi too will fulfil its promise.”

Khalid al Falih, Saudi Arabia’s energy minister, said over the weekend that he could now potentially cut supply further than what was agreed with Opec at the start of the year, in what has been seen as a warning shot to traders that might want to test their resolve.

Riyadh and Moscow are thought to be targeting pushing prices above $60 a barrel next year, though analysts cautioned that they are unlikely to have the market entirely their own way.

US oil output has fallen by about 10 per cent since early 2015, but US shale drillers have cut costs dramatically and could respond to any price recovery.

Some market watchers also still harbour doubts whether enough of their pledged cuts will be enacted to start drawing down the huge overhang of inventories that built up during the glut.

“Occasionally these loose, ad hoc producer agreements enjoyed temporary success, but all eventually failed due to cheating from without and within,” said Bob McNally, a former White House energy adviser who runs Rapidan Group, a US-based consulting group. “Time will tell whether [the weekend’s] agreement breaks the historical mould.”
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Petrodollar has been declining for a while now.  Assume you have been following FT Alphaville's reporting on that

 
butcher boy said:
8 years of Obama.  Most of things that come out of Obama's mouth are lies. Bald-faced lies which he full well knows are lies but he doesn’t care because he believes he is “special” and above accountability and scrutiny. In his mind (or the bubble he lives in) laws, morals, ethics, common decency and anything else that puts limits upon the rest of us, do not apply to him. This is something that all sociopaths have in common.

Aside from not killing millions of people in gulags or concentration camps, he reminds me of Hitler and Stalin. Both of those monsters lived a delusional life where they believed that anything they said was true and above reproach.

Stalin constantly sought, purged, imprisoned and murdered imaginary enemies by the millions.

While being overrun on the eastern front by the Russians, Hitler directed his generals to mobilize imaginary German divisions to reinforce his army in Stalingrad. He knew full well that those divisions didn’t exist but believed he could conjure them out of thin air by his will alone.

Obama is no different. He thinks he can make something true simply by saying it is so. That’s a sociopath.
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:lmao:

 
butcher boy said:
8 years of Obama.  Most of things that come out of Obama's mouth are lies. Bald-faced lies which he full well knows are lies but he doesn’t care because he believes he is “special” and above accountability and scrutiny. In his mind (or the bubble he lives in) laws, morals, ethics, common decency and anything else that puts limits upon the rest of us, do not apply to him. This is something that all sociopaths have in common.

Aside from not killing millions of people in gulags or concentration camps, he reminds me of Hitler and Stalin. Both of those monsters lived a delusional life where they believed that anything they said was true and above reproach.

Stalin constantly sought, purged, imprisoned and murdered imaginary enemies by the millions.

While being overrun on the eastern front by the Russians, Hitler directed his generals to mobilize imaginary German divisions to reinforce his army in Stalingrad. He knew full well that those divisions didn’t exist but believed he could conjure them out of thin air by his will alone.

Obama is no different. He thinks he can make something true simply by saying it is so. That’s a sociopath.
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Holy crap is this so over the top. What has Obama done, said, acted like, to get this kind of labeling? I need details cause none of this makes sense. Give details instead of spouting off what conservative talk radio spits out. They just talk to their ilk but they don't even give details either. Fantasy land around here lately. 

 
Mario Kart said:
Holy crap is this so over the top. What has Obama done, said, acted like, to get this kind of labeling? I need details cause none of this makes sense. Give details instead of spouting off what conservative talk radio spits out. They just talk to their ilk but they don't even give details either. Fantasy land around here lately. 
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Didn't you read?  He's just like Hitler.  Well except for the dictator thing and the killing of lots of people thing.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
 

Javier Blas Verified account ‏@JavierBlas2 9h9 hours ago
#BREAKING: #Oil markets will swing from surplus to deficit in H1 2017 as OPEC and #Russia cut output, @IEA says -- more @TheTerminal #OOT
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Terribly interesting geopolitical year for oil coming up.  The shale plays here make this a dubious claim.  Trump's bent toward production throws more variables into 2017. It's likely a lot of shale goes back into production to keep this at equilibrium - oil stabilized at 50-$60 would be a new environment in this market.  Lots changes.  Of course, lots doesn't - Venezuela still needs $110 to make budget, for example.

 
Sand said:
Terribly interesting geopolitical year for oil coming up.  The shale plays here make this a dubious claim.  Trump's bent toward production throws more variables into 2017. It's likely a lot of shale goes back into production to keep this at equilibrium - oil stabilized at 50-$60 would be a new environment in this market.  Lots changes.  Of course, lots doesn't - Venezuela still needs $110 to make budget, for example.
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Fortunately we'll have Rick Perry's expertise and steady hand to lead us through these tumultuous times in the energy markets. 

 
butcher boy said:
8 years of Obama.  Most of things that come out of Obama's mouth are lies. Bald-faced lies which he full well knows are lies but he doesn’t care because he believes he is “special” and above accountability and scrutiny. In his mind (or the bubble he lives in) laws, morals, ethics, common decency and anything else that puts limits upon the rest of us, do not apply to him. This is something that all sociopaths have in common.

Aside from not killing millions of people in gulags or concentration camps, he reminds me of Hitler and Stalin. Both of those monsters lived a delusional life where they believed that anything they said was true and above reproach.

Stalin constantly sought, purged, imprisoned and murdered imaginary enemies by the millions.

While being overrun on the eastern front by the Russians, Hitler directed his generals to mobilize imaginary German divisions to reinforce his army in Stalingrad. He knew full well that those divisions didn’t exist but believed he could conjure them out of thin air by his will alone.

Obama is no different. He thinks he can make something true simply by saying it is so. That’s a sociopath.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlXux_B5HGQ

 
shader said:
butcher boy said:
8 years of Obama.  Most of things that come out of Obama's mouth are lies. Bald-faced lies which he full well knows are lies but he doesn’t care because he believes he is “special” and above accountability and scrutiny. In his mind (or the bubble he lives in) laws, morals, ethics, common decency and anything else that puts limits upon the rest of us, do not apply to him. This is something that all sociopaths have in common.

Aside from not killing millions of people in gulags or concentration camps, he reminds me of Hitler and Stalin. Both of those monsters lived a delusional life where they believed that anything they said was true and above reproach.

Stalin constantly sought, purged, imprisoned and murdered imaginary enemies by the millions.

While being overrun on the eastern front by the Russians, Hitler directed his generals to mobilize imaginary German divisions to reinforce his army in Stalingrad. He knew full well that those divisions didn’t exist but believed he could conjure them out of thin air by his will alone.

Obama is no different. He thinks he can make something true simply by saying it is so. That’s a sociopath.
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:lmao:
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That's a HOF post right there, and not the good HOF.  :lmao:

ETA:  Like the stuff you've eaten off the ground HOF

 
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Bruce Dickinson said:
tommyGunZ said:
Fortunately we'll have Rick Perry's expertise and steady hand to lead us through these tumultuous times in the energy markets. 
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Have we mentioned Rick Perry is a board member of Energy Transfer Partners, the company building the Dakota Access Pipeline?
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Hard to focus on Trump's BAU corruption/filling of the swamp given his coziness with Russia and determination to undermine US security institutions like the CIA

 
tommyGunZ said:
Fortunately we'll have Rick Perry's expertise and steady hand to lead us through these tumultuous times in the energy markets. 
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I haven't heard of anyone who thinks this is a good idea.  I  didn't think  it was possible that we could come close to how bad Chu was.  Perry  has a  few billion in  disastrous  investments to catch up there,  but I  have  confidence  he'll  accomplish that during his term.

 
tommyGunZ said:
@TobiasFunke works for the DOE, right?  Gotta be great for department morale when you find out your new leader thinks your entire existence is a waste.

Carpe diem Tobias!  
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I don't, thank goodness.  But I know enough DOE and what they do to laugh at the comments here defending the Perry pick.  I especially liked the one about how he worked on energy issues as Texas governor.  DOE has virtually nothing to do with oil/natural gas production or electricity generation.

 
Sand said:
I  have a decent position in this, so   :pickle: .
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Perry's not gonna help you here, sorry.  DOE's not really involved in Dakota Access, the permits at issue are Army Corps of Engineers and Interior (actually a right of way requirement).

Trump, OTOH, can walk back Obama's call on Dakota Access fairly easily.

 
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Henry Ford said:
For those unaware of what's going on in the world, Russia signed on to an OPEC production reduction deal yesterday, solidifying an energy alliance with Saudi Arabia.  This will significantly bolster its oil market in rubles, Putin's dream that was finally brought to fruition early this year.  If China and Saudi Arabia sign on to trade oil in rubles - and that's still a big "if" right now - the U.S. is crippled in the global economic marketplace.  This is one big goal many think Russia has.  It's ambitious, but it's doable.  It would require Russia to drive a wedge between the U.S. and China and between the U.S. and Saudi Arabia.  I wonder how that's going.

https://www.ft.com/content/b59c0e9c-bfab-11e6-81c2-f57d90f6741a

Edit to include article from FT, which I believe is subscription.

The first global crude supply pact in 15 years has underlined the growing energy alliance between Saudi Arabia and Russia, as the depth of the two-year oil slump forces co-operation between once unlikely partners.

Russia led the main oil producers from outside the Opec cartel, including Mexico and Kazakhstan, in a deal signed this weekend to reduce supply by 568,000 barrels a day — with Moscow, the largest non-Opec exporter, agreeing to shoulder just over half the cut.

Brent crude was up as much as 6.5 per cent within minutes of markets opening in Asia on Monday, to a year-high above $57.89 a barrel, following the non-Opec deal.

The agreement follows almost a year of petro-diplomacy that led Russian president Vladimir Putin and Saudi Arabian leaders to put aside differences over the war in Syria as their economies struggle to adapt to the halving in oil prices since mid-2014.

The direct co-operation between the world’s top two crude exporters comes after Saudi Arabia on November 30 led the 13-member Opec cartel in a deal to cut supply by more than 1m b/d, pushing prices up 15 per cent to above $54 a barrel.

“It is very significant to have an agreement by the two powerhouses that are Russia and Saudi Arabia,” said Olivier Jakob, analyst at the Petromatrix consultancy. “A new geopolitical dynamic is being created which could be transformative for oil markets.”

Saudi Arabia and Russia together account for more than a fifth of global oil supplies, but mistrust between the two nations has not easily been overcome.

Russia reneged on a previous joint deal to reduce output during the last prolonged oil slump at the turn of the century, and its offer to reduce supply by 300,000 b/d this time is seen as partly including natural declines from older fields.

But the involvement of Mr Putin, who has held talks this year with Saudi’s powerful Deputy Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, adds weight to Moscow’s commitment.

“With Putin directly involved in brokering this deal and Saudi Arabia and Russia co-operating on various fronts, not just the oil market, Putin is likely to put substantial political pressure on the companies to ensure substantial, if not full, compliance,” said Amrita Sen, co-founder at Energy Aspects.

Saudi Arabia has traditionally acted as the oil market’s so-called swing producer, raising production when supplies were tight and lowering them when necessary to bolster the market and support the price.

But in 2014 the rapid growth of US shale and other high-cost output, after almost four years of $100 oil, led Riyadh to abandon its role due to fear of losing market share.

The subsequent crash in prices has stalled non-Opec supply growth and led to as much as a trillion dollars in investment cuts, but also hammered the budgets of major oil producers.

Riyadh has embarked on an ambitious project to end its economy’s over reliance on oil revenues but needs a higher price in the short term to achieve its goals, including listing part of Saudi Aramco, its state oil company, to raise funds.

It feared giving up more market share to Russia, one of the few non-Opec countries to successfully keep raising output during the slump. Russian output this year reached a record above 11m b/d, but a painful oil-price triggered recession — compounded by sanctions over Russia’s involvement in Ukraine — led Moscow to talks.

“Negotiations from technical to leadership went on for a year with meetings in Russia and elsewhere,” said one Opec delegate. “This wasn’t a game and it didn’t come easily but it is impossible to see [Mr Putin] changing his mind. Saudi too will fulfil its promise.”

Khalid al Falih, Saudi Arabia’s energy minister, said over the weekend that he could now potentially cut supply further than what was agreed with Opec at the start of the year, in what has been seen as a warning shot to traders that might want to test their resolve.

Riyadh and Moscow are thought to be targeting pushing prices above $60 a barrel next year, though analysts cautioned that they are unlikely to have the market entirely their own way.

US oil output has fallen by about 10 per cent since early 2015, but US shale drillers have cut costs dramatically and could respond to any price recovery.

Some market watchers also still harbour doubts whether enough of their pledged cuts will be enacted to start drawing down the huge overhang of inventories that built up during the glut.

“Occasionally these loose, ad hoc producer agreements enjoyed temporary success, but all eventually failed due to cheating from without and within,” said Bob McNally, a former White House energy adviser who runs Rapidan Group, a US-based consulting group. “Time will tell whether [the weekend’s] agreement breaks the historical mould.”
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Saudi isn't going to sign on to trade in rubles.  They are working with Russia out of necessity right now given that both their governments are so dependent on oil prices.  One or the other(or both) will start shirking the agreement and their "relationship" will worsen again like it always does.

And no way in hell China would ever even consider it.  They have almost as big a stake in petrodollars as we do right now.  Yeah, let's sign up to pay ourselves less money!!!!

 
encaitar said:
Saudi isn't going to sign on to trade in rubles.  They are working with Russia out of necessity right now given that both their governments are so dependent on oil prices.  One or the other(or both) will start shirking the agreement and their "relationship" will worsen again like it always does.

And no way in hell China would ever even consider it.  They have almost as big a stake in petrodollars as we do right now.  Yeah, let's sign up to pay ourselves less money!!!!
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I think you should read up more on international monetary policy.  Globally, there's a move to uncouple from the dollar - particularly in China.

 
Henry Ford said:
I think you should read up more on international monetary policy.  Globally, there's a move to uncouple from the dollar - particularly in China.
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Yes, but if China is going to unseat the petrodollar, it'll be to supplant it with the yuan.  They have zero interest in supporting the ruble.

 
encaitar said:
Yes, but if China is going to unseat the petrodollar, it'll be to supplant it with the yuan.  They have zero interest in supporting the ruble.
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The Russian oil market has also been accepting yuan.

Edit: this past year has seen a bunch of cooperation between Russia and China on ruble/yuan currency exchange issues.

 
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Did someone really compare Obama to Hitler?  I thought that comparison was only reserved for white Republicans?

 
timschochet said:
There was also Berlin in 1945, which the Russians purposefully ignored all attempts of surrender by the Germans after Hitler was dead, preferring to destroy it street by street, and sending in Siberian troops who were encouraged to "celebrate" the Russian victory, which meant raping any women they could find, regardless of age. 
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Revisit.

 
Henry Ford said:
Reuters reports that while the ODNI does not dispute the CIA’s general analysis on Russia hacking, the office is not convinced of the evidence that Moscow sought specifically to help Trump defeat Democratic opponent Clinton.
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I read this...read what you quoted again, the part you didn't bold

 
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