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They all play roles in the campaign and would likely be prominent advisors in the WH. Same is true of Bill & Chelsea IMO.

Except for Tiffany and Barron. Though actually I could see Barron being appointed Secretary of Cyber. 
He'd be the best Secretary of Cyber, the best. He does tremendous things on his computer. Now, listen, I've had Cyber experts tell me that he does things they haven't even seen before. He's the best cyberer in the world. We're going to be so great at cybering with him in charge.

 
What are those legitimate concerns? Please spell them out. 
The plight of the working class in the face of a global information based economy is a legitimate concern. The anger propping up Trump is rooted in very deep underlying feelings of despair IMO.

 
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What are those legitimate concerns? Please spell them out. 
The perception that immigrants are taking away jobs.

The plight of the working class; the loss of good-paying manufacturing jobs.

The feeling that, for a number of reasons from internal social decay to external threats related to terrorism, that we are no longer safe.

The strong resistance to Globalization.

Disgust with D.C. in general.

The huge loss of opportunity for advancement for the working and middle class.

Possibly a backlash against social policies of both Republicans and Democrats.

The feeling among conservatives in general that the Republican Party has deserted or betrayed them.

Among small businessmen, the explosion of regulation and the cost of compliance.

That's off the top of my head. I'm not saying I believe Trump can address any of this; I'm saying that he gives people a focus point for rebellion.

 
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And it wouldn't be bad enough to have Trump as president... we would have to put up with his idiot children for at least 4 years. I am okay with Ivanka, she does not appear to be absolutely crazy. But those two boys of his are blossoming tyrant buffoons.
Family Feud Political Edition (5:40 mark - "I'm Donald, Jr., the brains.", "I'm Ivanka, the beauty." "And I'm Eric!" "OK, show me Children of the Corn.") 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oC4VXwFibWY


* The week that will decide the election


Five things to watch in a week that will likely pick a president.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/donald-trump-week-five-takeaways-229032

 
Rudy Giuliani explains why it's OK for him to accuse Hillary of being unfaithful, despite being a cheater himself: "I'm a Roman Catholic, and I confess those things to my priest."

no words

 
The plight of the working class in the face of a global information based economy is a legitimate concern. The anger propping up Trump are rooted in very deep underlying feelings of despair IMO.
I think you are right - but it is more than just despair - it's like the five levels of grief. Sooner or later we will get to anger.

 
If he cheated on his taxes he should face the penalties for doing so. If that's a fine so be it  if it's jail so be it.  It's not as bad as putting human life in danger by intentionally mishandling classified information but of course he should be prosecuted if your wet dream plays out. This isn't very difficult. 
You don't do difficult.  You don't think deeply enough to get there. I'm done discussing things with you. 

 
I missed the Obama kids thing, but yeah, that's outrageous too. I'm just commenting on the never-ending petty circle-jerking - you'd think your prostates would be exhausted by now. You know, Trump is a terrible candidate, we all get that. The sooner you realize that the people who got him there have legitimate concerns, the sooner we can stop the bleeding and divisiveness. Those of you engaged a bashing and calling his supporters stupid are contributing to the problem, not helping to solve it.
Disagree. The first step is to make sure he doesn't get elected. Because he's a racist, sexist idiot who shouldn't be anywhere near the White House.

Bashing him, therefore, is job #1 until the election.

If Republicans wanted to have a realistic discussion on legitimate concerns, they should've nominated a legitimate candidate. You've only yourselves to blame.

 
You don't do difficult.  You don't think deeply enough to get there. I'm done discussing things with you. 
LOL. I never asked you to discuss anything in the first place. Your Schtick here or any other thread is to get personal as soon as someone has a different opinion.  Which usually validates you made an ### of yourself again like you continue doing in this thread. 

 
So when the info is dropped this week and it's huge , HUGE, what are you Clintonistas going to do? What will you do. 

 
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The perception that immigrants are taking away jobs.

The plight of the working class; the loss of good-paying manufacturing jobs.

The feeling that, for a number of reasons from internal social decay to external threats related to terrorism, that we are no longer safe.

The strong resistance to Globalization.

Disgust with D.C. in general.

The huge loss of opportunity for advancement for the working and middle class.

Possibly a backlash against social policies of both Republicans and Democrats.

The feeling among conservatives in general that the Republican Party has deserted or betrayed them.

Among small businessmen, the explosion of regulation and the cost of compliance.

That's off the top of my head. I'm not saying I believe Trump can address any of this; I'm saying that he gives people a focus point for rebellion.
Well, hopefully this cycle goes at least some way toward them figuring out that blaming minorities and immigrants isn't going to fix the problem. The path to helping them lies in the same "big government" social safety nets and education programs that they like to cry about so much.

 
No ####. The two sons in particular are in front of cameras constantly running their mouths.
Three of Trump's kids actively work for his campaign. They make appearances for Trump and speak for Trump on campaign issues. They are as fair game as Gingrich, Giuliani, Christie, etc. This shouldn't even be a topic of debate.

 
:lol:  what has trump promised this guy? Him and Christie are trump's b itches.
Cabinet spots would be my guess. Christie has always been a clown, but Giuliani is a guy that I actually used to respect -- it's absolutely shameful how far he's fallen with his whoring for Trump. Even Newt has backed off and these two are still out there shilling...

 
Disagree. The first step is to make sure he doesn't get elected. Because he's a racist, sexist idiot who shouldn't be anywhere near the White House.

Bashing him, therefore, is job #1 until the election.

If Republicans wanted to have a realistic discussion on legitimate concerns, they should've nominated a legitimate candidate. You've only yourselves to blame.
Be careful who you include in the "you" there. I didn't vote for him in the primaries! I was actually hoping we'd see a political realignment out of this. We will still might.

Anyway, you aren't changing minds with your coracle jerk anyway, so we might as well have a real conversation - assuming you are not as irrational as Trump is.

 
I missed the Obama kids thing, but yeah, that's outrageous too. I'm just commenting on the never-ending petty circle-jerking - you'd think your prostates would be exhausted by now. You know, Trump is a terrible candidate, we all get that. The sooner you realize that the people who got him there have legitimate concerns, the sooner we can stop the bleeding and divisiveness. Those of you engaged a bashing and calling his supporters stupid are contributing to the problem, not helping to solve it.
Pencil me in for this discussion November 9th. In the meantime, let's avoid an easily avoidable disaster first.

 
You mean the blind trustees?
It's clearly a blind trust because his families would run his businesses for him and there would never be any mention of his business to him while he's President. I mean people would have to be blind to think that would ever happen. Blind Trust!

 
Well, hopefully this cycle goes at least some way toward them figuring out that blaming minorities and immigrants isn't going to fix the problem. The path to helping them lies in the same "big government" social safety nets and education programs that they like to cry about so much.
No, no it doesn't. The path lies in the government stopping screwing their constituents.

 
The perception that immigrants are taking away jobs.

The plight of the working class; the loss of good-paying manufacturing jobs.

The feeling that, for a number of reasons from internal social decay to external threats related to terrorism, that we are no longer safe.

The strong resistance to Globalization.

Disgust with D.C. in general.

The huge loss of opportunity for advancement for the working and middle class.

Possibly a backlash against social policies of both Republicans and Democrats.

The feeling among conservatives in general that the Republican Party has deserted or betrayed them.

Among small businessmen, the explosion of regulation and the cost of compliance.

That's off the top of my head. I'm not saying I believe Trump can address any of this; I'm saying that he gives people a focus point for rebellion.
Where did this perception come from?  And how are immigrants "taking" jobs away?

 
Where did this perception come from?  And how are immigrants "taking" jobs away?
There is a difference between perception and reality. Personally, it sucks to be an illegal and have a job, because you have no legal recourse. But immigrants do more than pick apples. I know several small businessmen - people like framers and roofers - who complain they can no longer compete with the other small businesses in the same field that use mainly illegal labor. Don't know how extensive it is, but things like that do contribute to the perception.

The other thing I think contributes is that generally, Americans are xenophobic. Few of us know what is happening outside of the U.S. and many of us can't even find countries like Syria on a map. Our media doesn't really report news outside of the U.S. I'm betting most people don't know what is happening in Canada or Mexico unless the news is sensational - which means bad and which also contributes to xenophobia.

 
 1. The perception that immigrants are taking away jobs.

2. The plight of the working class; the loss of good-paying manufacturing jobs.

3. The feeling that, for a number of reasons from internal social decay to external threats related to terrorism, that we are no longer safe.

4. The strong resistance to Globalization.

5. Disgust with D.C. in general.

6. The huge loss of opportunity for advancement for the working and middle class.

7. Possibly a backlash against social policies of both Republicans and Democrats.

8. The feeling among conservatives in general that the Republican Party has deserted or betrayed them.

9. Among small businessmen, the explosion of regulation and the cost of compliance.

That's off the top of my head. I'm not saying I believe Trump can address any of this; I'm saying that he gives people a focus point for rebellion.
Well let's take these one by one:

1. Immigrants are NOT taking away jobs, this is a false perception. Therefore it's not a legitimate concern.

2. The loss of good paying manufacturing jobs is a legitimate concern. But it's not one that can be addressed by the sort of instant and simplistic solutions that Trump is calling for. And so long as the people who support Trump insist on such solutions which most economists tell us would be damaging to us, why should we pay attention to them?

3. These are anecdotal fears based on news stories. Statistically, we're safer than we've ever been. Should we address anecdotal fears through suppressive laws, the way we did during World War II when we interned Japanese Americans? I think as a nation we have moved beyond that. I don't know how to address irrational fear beyond repeating that fear itself is the only thing we have to fear.

4. I don't think most Trump supporters truly understand what globalization means. This is a paranoid fear, and not legitimate.

5. Most Americans have felt disgust with Washington for 100 years or longer. So what? 

6. This goes back to #1. Legitimate concern, but requires long term and deeply thought out solutions of the kind we're not getting from either party (and certainly not from Trump!)

7. You'll have to be more specific here.

8. I think this is a huge concern among conservatives, and it's completely illegitimate. Consider their two main complaints: they wanted the Republicans in Congress to shut down the government over Obamacare, and to refuse to raise the debt ceiling. Because the GOP leadership wisely chose to avoid these disastrous moves, they were considered traitors and we basically have Donald Trump as a result. This particular disconnect is largely due to the irrational demands of talk radio hosts like Rush Limbaugh and Mark Levin who have no connection with the real world. 

9. This is the most legitimate concern. It's why we need a rational conservative counter view to the Democrats, who will never address this issue. 

 
So when the info is dropped this week and it's huge , HUGE, what are you Clintonistas going to do? What will you do. 
I'll mock it and deny it. Then I'll insist that it needs to be looked at in context. Then I'll cry and whine. Then I'll curl up in a corner and try to hide.

Then my head will explode. 

 
Well let's take these one by one:

1. Immigrants are NOT taking away jobs, this is a false perception. Therefore it's not a legitimate concern.

2. The loss of good paying manufacturing jobs is a legitimate concern. But it's not one that can be addressed by the sort of instant and simplistic solutions that Trump is calling for. And so long as the people who support Trump insist on such solutions which most economists tell us would be damaging to us, why should we pay attention to them?

3. These are anecdotal fears based on news stories. Statistically, we're safer than we've ever been. Should we address anecdotal fears through suppressive laws, the way we did during World War II when we interned Japanese Americans? I think as a nation we have moved beyond that. I don't know how to address irrational fear beyond repeating that fear itself is the only thing we have to fear.

4. I don't think most Trump supporters truly understand what globalization means. This is a paranoid fear, and not legitimate.

5. Most Americans have felt disgust with Washington for 100 years or longer. So what? 

6. This goes back to #1. Legitimate concern, but requires long term and deeply thought out solutions of the kind we're not getting from either party (and certainly not from Trump!)

7. You'll have to be more specific here.

8. I think this is a huge concern among conservatives, and it's completely illegitimate. Consider their two main complaints: they wanted the Republicans in Congress to shut down the government over Obamacare, and to refuse to raise the debt ceiling. Because the GOP leadership wisely chose to avoid these disastrous moves, they were considered traitors and we basically have Donald Trump as a result. This particular disconnect is largely due to the irrational demands of talk radio hosts like Rush Limbaugh and Mark Levin who have no connection with the real world. 

9. This is the most legitimate concern. It's why we need a rational conservative counter view to the Democrats, who will never address this issue. 
You can say that it is perceived - that doesn't mean it is not a legitimate fear. They still need to be addressed. Nor am I saying that the Trump solutions are good ones. What I am saying is that if we don't address this ####. the next "Trump" may be worse than this one.

 
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Well let's take these one by one:

1. Immigrants are NOT taking away jobs, this is a false perception. Therefore it's not a legitimate concern.
Net jobs over the last number of years have all gone to immigrants (legal and illegal).

The thought that immigrants, who by and large come here for the prospect of high paying jobs, don't consume available labor and drive down the cost of labor (particularly on the unskilled end as that is where most of the immigrants skill set is) is ridiculous, Tim.  They do.

 
You can say that it is perceived - that doesn't mean it is not a legitimate fear. They still need to be addressed.
I don't think we should address fears that aren't real, other than to say, "calm down, it's not real." What else are we supposed to do? 

 
The perception that immigrants are taking away jobs.

The plight of the working class; the loss of good-paying manufacturing jobs.

The feeling that, for a number of reasons from internal social decay to external threats related to terrorism, that we are no longer safe.

The strong resistance to Globalization.

Disgust with D.C. in general.

The huge loss of opportunity for advancement for the working and middle class.

Possibly a backlash against social policies of both Republicans and Democrats.

The feeling among conservatives in general that the Republican Party has deserted or betrayed them.

Among small businessmen, the explosion of regulation and the cost of compliance.

That's off the top of my head. I'm not saying I believe Trump can address any of this; I'm saying that he gives people a focus point for rebellion.


other than.. maybe... #3 these are the same concerns that voters in the US has had since, i'd guess, the inception of the country as an entity.

 
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