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Koya said:
(I was being facetious).  

Didn't expect you of all people to take the bait, but I'll take that with the highest honor :ph34r:  )
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Ditto. ;) ("Are you serious?" was the next line in the discussion with Johnson, after "What is Aleppo?")

 
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Ramsay Hunt Experience said:
The thing is, I understand why he'd think that these types of tapes wouldn't have much impact.  I found the tape deeply, deeply creepy.  But I also found it completely in Trump's character.  I was kind of surprised that THIS was the Waterloo moment.  And my wife was even more surprised.  She couldn't believe anyone who was still supporting Trump after all this would have their opinion changed by Trump acting exactly the way we'd imagine he'd act. 
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It gives republicans who never wanted to support him an excuse to drop him. 

His base basket of deplorables will not change their minds. It is traditional republicans who were on the fence or who just did not want to vote for hillary and independents. 

 
So lets say Trump pushes hard to prosecute Hillary from now til the election and actually rallies in the polls and wins.  He won't actually follow through with it, right?  I mean there's no way a new president prosecutes his opponent in the election.  

 
Riversco said:
So lets say Trump pushes hard to prosecute Hillary from now til the election and actually rallies in the polls and wins.  He won't actually follow through with it, right?  I mean there's no way a new president prosecutes his opponent in the election.  
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If Rudy or Christie are his AG?  I think he would. 

Last night was a national embarrassment. 

 
Riversco said:
So lets say Trump pushes hard to prosecute Hillary from now til the election and actually rallies in the polls and wins.  He won't actually follow through with it, right?  I mean there's no way a new president prosecutes his opponent in the election.  
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Of course he would.  It would be the first of many show trials.  Of this I have zero doubt.  

 
Daywalker said:
Trump is one of those people who you seriously cannot imagine sitting down and reading a long novel.  They don't have the attention span nor the patience.
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I can't imagine him sitting down to read a dinner menu.  Must be why he eats fast food.

 
Bucky86 said:
http://www.newsweek.com/vladimir-putin-sidney-blumenthal-hillary-clinton-donald-trump-benghazi-sputnik-508635
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This is not funny. It is terrifying. The Russians engage in a sloppy disinformation effort and, before the day is out, the Republican nominee for president is standing on a stage reciting the manufactured story as truth. How did this happen? Who in the Trump campaign was feeding him falsehoods straight from the Kremlin? (The Trump campaign did not respond to a request for comment).
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State of play.

It's really a best case scenario for democrats.

Kasich would have had a chance vs. Hillary.  I'd still say she would have been the favorite due to the electoral map challenges republicans have.  Meaning more democrats in this country.

But to be given the gift of the republican party leaders turning on their fan favorite nominee is more then can be asked for.  Party leaders turning on Trump which can only lead to less votes for them down ticket.

It really could not be better for democrats.  Hillary going to likely have 8 years to nominate SCOTUS justices.

Republicans will wail on emails for the next four years.  Then it will die out to nothing like Benghazi.  Trump doesn't even mention Benghazi.

 
Daywalker said:
State of play.

It's really a best case scenario for democrats.

Kasich would have had a chance vs. Hillary.  I'd still say she would have been the favorite due to the electoral map challenges republicans have.  Meaning more democrats in this country.

But to be given the gift of the republican party leaders turning on their fan favorite nominee is more then can be asked for.  Party leaders turning on Trump which can only lead to less votes for them down ticket.

It really could not be better for democrats.  Hillary going to likely have 8 years to nominate SCOTUS justices.

Republicans will wail on emails for the next four years.  Then it will die out to nothing like Benghazi.  Trump doesn't even mention Benghazi.
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Rubio was probably who they feared most.

Then after that anyone else who wasn't a 'Pied Piper'.

 
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Daywalker said:
It really could not be better for democrats.  Hillary going to likely have 8 years to nominate SCOTUS justices.
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Do you think eight years is more likely than four? She won't be challenged from within her own party because would-be challengers would have to fear getting Vince Fostered. But the Republicans will probably recover by then (and probably by 2018 in fact), and Hillary's popularity may not increase after she takes office. There are abundant* potential Republican nominees who are more popular than Hillary (even if nobody yet knows who they are).

People very often exaggerate the rumors of a major party's demise. I remember a bet between smart people in 2008 (I think Tyler Cowen was involved in some way) about whether the Republicans would take control of the White House or either house of congress within 20 years or something. It's hard to remember now because of hindsight bias, but things looked really bleak for the Republicans at the time. They had, after all, recently nominated Sarah Palin as their candidate for Vice President. That was a continuing punchline in itself, but it also signaled how the Tea Party wing was going to ruin the party's chances in national elections. Anyway, the bet was lost after just two years when the Republicans won the House in 2010 and proceeded to gerrymander their way into keeping it for the foreseeable future. They've also got the Senate (at least for now) and the majority of state governorships -- and they may have had a real shot at the White House this go-around if they'd put up a different nominee.

I'm just saying that political parties often look like they have bleak prospects for the foreseeable future, but tend to recover and compete for political prominence again a lot faster than people generally expect. I don't see why that can't happen between now and 2020 (though, to be sure, there is a lot of work to do in jettisoning certain planks in their platform and forming new coalitions that involve demographic groups beyond just old white males without college degrees).

It may turn out that Clinton is a more popular (and more competent) President than she was a campaigner. That would be nice. But it's also possible, and perhaps probable, that she'll never enjoy widespread popularity, and that Generic Republican Untainted By Trump will be a decent favorite in 2020.

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*Not a Chris Christie joke.

 
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After Trump loses does he make another run in 2020 to just #### with the RNC for not giving him 100% support?  Maybe as an independent. 

 
SHIZNITTTT said:
After Trump loses does he make another run in 2020 to just #### with the RNC for not giving him 100% support?  Maybe as an independent. 
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Probably. He is a spiteful #####. 

So the RNC protest was organized by Trump's Virginia chairman. And he was fired right after the gathering "as Trump’s staff worked to downplay intra-party tensions."

“We have a tremendous working relationship with the RNC,” Trump campaign manager Kellyanne Conway said.

 
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Maurile Tremblay said:
Do you think eight years is more likely than four? She won't be challenged from within her own party because would-be challengers would have to fear getting Vince Fostered. But the Republicans will probably recover by then (and probably by 2018 in fact), and Hillary's popularity may not increase after she takes office. There are abundant* potential Republican nominees who are more popular than Hillary (even if nobody yet knows who they are).

People very often exaggerate the rumors of a major party's demise. I remember a bet between smart people in 2008 (I think Tyler Cowen was involved in some way) about whether the Republicans would take control of the White House or either house of congress within 20 years or something. It's hard to remember now because of hindsight bias, but things looked really bleak for the Republicans at the time. They had, after all, recently nominated Sarah Palin as their candidate for Vice President. That was a continuing punchline in itself, but it also signaled how the Tea Party wing was going to ruin the party's chances in national elections. Anyway, the bet was lost after just two years when the Republicans won the House in 2010 and proceeded to gerrymander their way into keeping it for the foreseeable future. They've also got the Senate (at least for now) and the majority of state governorships -- and they may have had a real shot at the White House this go-around if they'd put up a different nominee.

I'm just saying that political parties often look like they have bleak prospects for the foreseeable future, but tend to recover and compete for political prominence again a lot faster than people generally expect. I don't see why that can't happen between now and 2020 (though, to be sure, there is a lot of work to do in jettisoning certain planks in their platform and forming new coalitions that involve demographic groups beyond just old white males without college degrees).

It may turn out that Clinton is a more popular (and more competent) President than she was a campaigner. That would be nice. But it's also possible, and perhaps probable, that she'll never enjoy widespread popularity, and that Generic Republican Untainted By Trump will be a decent favorite in 2020.

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*Not a Chris Christie joke.
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Maybe, but a lot of things have changed since 2008 too. Even if a reasonable center right candidate can make it out of the primary, the electoral map is still an uphill battle. And I personally think that the Trump stench will linger with women and minorities. We'll see...

 
Coeur de Lion said:
Maybe, but a lot of things have changed since 2008 too. Even if a reasonable center right candidate can make it out of the primary, the electoral map is still an uphill battle. And I personally think that the Trump stench will linger with women and minorities. We'll see...
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And latinos. The party needs to split. 

 
So, Trump is doubling down (again) on being just a really horrible horrible person.

How his supporters can not accept that their stance on this subject will stain their reputations, perhaps in some cases for years, I don't understand.  You expect us to respect the choice to support a mean spirited, spiteful, mean hearted man who chooses the low road time after time after time? He is not deserving of a vote, and someone so base as to excuse Trump's hatefilled, ego driven approach will have to live with the consequences.

I already know of three local politicians whom I know, and consider to some degree friends (none close, mind you). The one I am closest to is the youngest, and I will likely never vote for him again after his shameful support of trump. Same with the two others.  Finally, the dozens of other local republicans that have had either the hate in their heart or lack of spine to support trump will NEVER get my support. Ever. They have forever lost my respect in terms of holding public office and what and who they are at heart.

I can't say this about ANY former president. Even the disaster that was Bush - he was still a good guy at heart. Well intended.  This is the exact opposite, and if you support a man that goes out threatening to lower the hammer on Bill Clinton if anyone just shows more of who and what you are and have been for 40 years, you deserve the same derision yourself. 

Don't expect many people, inlcuding many like me who wont vote Hillary (and didn't vote Obama last go around), to ever fully regain the level of respect for others who found themselves so weak as to support a bigoted hate mongerer (or not weak, and just aligned with those same divisive perspective and actions)

 
It's not a binary thing -- Dems won the WH in 1976 despite being completely at odds with the political currents.

But Republicans will be swimming upstream for the forseeable future in national elections.  It's a headwind until they sort out the Trump/Wall Street split.  Or the parties realign.

 
Maurile Tremblay said:
Do you think eight years is more likely than four? She won't be challenged from within her own party because would-be challengers would have to fear getting Vince Fostered. But the Republicans will probably recover by then (and probably by 2018 in fact), and Hillary's popularity may not increase after she takes office. There are abundant* potential Republican nominees who are more popular than Hillary (even if nobody yet knows who they are).

People very often exaggerate the rumors of a major party's demise. I remember a bet between smart people in 2008 (I think Tyler Cowen was involved in some way) about whether the Republicans would take control of the White House or either house of congress within 20 years or something. It's hard to remember now because of hindsight bias, but things looked really bleak for the Republicans at the time. They had, after all, recently nominated Sarah Palin as their candidate for Vice President. That was a continuing punchline in itself, but it also signaled how the Tea Party wing was going to ruin the party's chances in national elections. Anyway, the bet was lost after just two years when the Republicans won the House in 2010 and proceeded to gerrymander their way into keeping it for the foreseeable future. They've also got the Senate (at least for now) and the majority of state governorships -- and they may have had a real shot at the White House this go-around if they'd put up a different nominee.

I'm just saying that political parties often look like they have bleak prospects for the foreseeable future, but tend to recover and compete for political prominence again a lot faster than people generally expect. I don't see why that can't happen between now and 2020 (though, to be sure, there is a lot of work to do in jettisoning certain planks in their platform and forming new coalitions that involve demographic groups beyond just old white males without college degrees).

It may turn out that Clinton is a more popular (and more competent) President than she was a campaigner. That would be nice. But it's also possible, and perhaps probable, that she'll never enjoy widespread popularity, and that Generic Republican Untainted By Trump will be a decent favorite in 2020.

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*Not a Chris Christie joke.
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If Citizens United is overturned by the Court or legislation (as Clinton intends) it's going to be virtually impossible to defeat an incumbent president with a generic anything.

 
One of the best parts about Trump's twitter are the responses from followers like "don't worry!  We the people have your back and you know you have my vote!"  Like they are friends. 

 
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