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Higgs said:
It is cute, though, that the Left media rags are all running with the story that Breitbart is now anti-Semitic.  What's even more comical is that "anti-Semitism" is one of a handful of tags that Breitbart uses to file it's news articles.  Take a look at how anti-Semitic Breitbart is. :lol:   http://www.breitbart.com/tag/anti-semitism/
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From The Atlantic:

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/05/breitbarts-anti-semitic-attack-on-bill-kristol/482862/

[...]

For years, Breitbart.com, the web magazine of the populist right founded by the late Andrew Breitbart, has published laughably shoddy journalism, like the smearing of Juan Carlos Vera and the claim that a drunken President Lyndon Johnson boarded a plane and then accidentally dropped nuclear weapons on the United States. [...]

That isn’t an anti-Semitic dog whistle—it’s a human whistle. You’d have to be deaf to miss it. And no, it doesn’t matter that the author of the article is himself Jewish.

(It isn’t clear whether or not he wrote the headline.)

Red State's Ben Howe reacted with understandable disgust:

Ben Howe ✔ ‎@BenHowe 

I’m not rethinking my conservatism in any way. What I’m rethinking is my allies. My ####ty, racist, xenophobic, awful, idiotic allies.


10:16 PM - 15 May 2016
 
If that bigoted, deeply irresponsible headline remains atop the site Monday morning, a lot of conservatives will react with similar disgust, some publicly, many others privately. As they do so, they might reflect on all the bygone events suggesting that the people who run Breitbart.com would be like poison for movement conservatism––and their coalition’s prospects in the months ahead, as parts of the “alt-right” that Breitbart.com panders to will keep embarrassing Republicans by advocating on behalf of their nominee with ugly anti-Semitic tropes.
 
 



 
Higgs said:
If you want to think that Trump's position that he'd like to see a peace deal struck between Israel and the Palestinians somehow correlates to him not supporting Israel, you are welcome to that opinion.  Personally it's crap.  I've listened to countless speeches by the guy and he goes out of his way to say that he is unwavering in his support for Israel.  Not to mention the fact that the most important person in the guy's life, his daughter, is Jewish.  But believe what you want Saint.
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So now it's my turn to ask if you read the article. You just choose not to believe the facts stated there because the man is more important than the beliefs.

 
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Skoo said:
Pretty funny that Trump supporters openly admit they don't care if he lies or doesn't know anything about policy.

I mean it was pretty obvious anyway, but it's almost as if people are proud to be voting for the guy with zero qualifications for the job.
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Well a lot of people did proudly vote for a community organizer who listed himself as a Kenyan on his book, so there is precedent. 

 
Higgs said:
Not to mention the fact that the most important person in the guy's life, his daughter, is Jewish.  
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So what? I like Ivanka, but she has nothing to do with that piece by Horowitz. I'm not saying Trump is anti-semitic, I'm saying Kristol is being called out as a "renegade Jew" for opposing Trump because he, Kristol, is betraying America. Trump's position on Israel does not even play into Horowitz's position. Read the article, that's what it says.

Btw Trump has said he supports the Iran deal, so the whole kitchen sink argument at the end about the growing threat of Iran is totally ridiculous.

 
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SaintsInDome2006 said:
So now it's my turn to ask if you read the article. You just choose not to believe the facts stated there because the man is more important than the beliefs.
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I read the article.  He talks about neutrality in the sense of helping to foster getting two arch enemies to the table.  That doesn't mean he is anti Israel.

 
Higgs said:
I read the article.  He talks about neutrality in the sense of helping to foster getting two arch enemies to the table.  That doesn't mean he is anti Israel.
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Half those articles about antisemitism in BB are about Israeli relations with the Palestinians and attitudes held by Palestinian leadership whom Donald says he's neutral about. So yeah BB is at odds with itself.

 
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Loan Sharks said:
Well a lot of people did proudly vote for a community organizer who listed himself as a Kenyan on his book, so there is precedent. 
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I love how people leave out US Senator and try to act like Obama went straight from town hall meetings to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

Although I suppose if you spent 2008 whining about how Obama didn't have enough experience, and are now voting for Trump, you might realize that you're being incredibly hypocritical.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
So what? I like Ivanka, but she has nothing to do with that piece by Horowitz. I'm not saying Trump is anti-semitic, I'm saying Kristol is being called out as a "renegade Jew" for opposing Trump because he, Kristol, is betraying America. Trump's position on Israel does not even play into Horowitz's position. Read the article, that's what it says.

Btw Trump has said he supports the Iran deal, so the whole kitchen sink argument at the end about the growing threat of Iran is totally ridiculous.
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:bs: Trump crucifies the Iran deal in every one of his speeches.

 
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Skoo said:
I love how people leave out US Senator and try to act like Obama went straight from town hall meetings to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

Although I suppose if you spent 2008 whining about how Obama didn't have enough experience, and are now voting for Trump, you might realize that you're being incredibly hypocritical.
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You mean hypocritical like leaving out that Trump has been active in politics since 1992 with the Reform party, and this is his third run for the white house, has experience dealing with foreign dignitaries and has global and local business experience? Like that? 

 
Skoo said:
I love how people leave out US Senator and try to act like Obama went straight from town hall meetings to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

Although I suppose if you spent 2008 whining about how Obama didn't have enough experience, and are now voting for Trump, you might realize that you're being incredibly hypocritical.
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Half a term...

What matters to me in electing a President is leadership.  Obama was primarily an academic, with very narrow leadership skills in the community organizing space.  And I think his Presidency has reflected that.

 
Loan Sharks said:
You mean hypocritical like leaving out that Trump has been active in politics since 1992 with the Reform party, and this is his third run for the white house, has experience dealing with foreign dignitaries and has global and local business experience? Like that? 
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That really isn't true, or at least not a 3rd run with a major party. Trump started a campaign to run for President as the Reform party nominee in October 1999.  He ended the campaign the following February, saying that the party was "dysfunctional" and wouldn't be able to properly support his campaign. He floated the idea of running for President in 1988, 2004 and 2012 but never actually entered the race.

 
Loan Sharks said:
You mean hypocritical like leaving out that Trump has been active in politics since 1992 with the Reform party, and this is his third run for the white house, has experience dealing with foreign dignitaries and has global and local business experience? Like that? 
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I'm sorry I may have missed it, but what political office has Donald Trump previously held?

Heck, I've been active in politics for decades too. Doesn't make me qualified to be President.

 
Loan Sharks said:
You mean hypocritical like leaving out that Trump has been active in politics since 1992 with the Reform party, and this is his third run for the white house, has experience dealing with foreign dignitaries and has global and local business experience? Like that? 
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He has much more relevant experience than Obama had.  Obama was more suited to being in the Legislature or the Judiciary.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
- David Horowitz.

Yeah, that's why Israel exists.

That's the entirety of what he says about Israel in his article.
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More misrepresentation - what's going on with you today?  It's unlike you.

Here is the entreaty of Horowitz's tying Kristol's disloyalty to the Republican Party to Israel:

I am a Jew who has never been to Israel and has never been a Zionist in the sense of believing that Jews can rid themselves of Jew hatred by having their own nation state. But half of world Jewry now lives in Israel, and the enemies whom Obama and Hillary have empowered — Iran, the Muslim Brotherhood, Hezbollah, ISIS, and Hamas — have openly sworn to exterminate the Jews. I am also an American (and an American first), whose country is threatened with destruction by the same enemies. To weaken the only party that stands between the Jews and their annihilation, and between America and the forces intent on destroying her, is a political miscalculation so great and a betrayal so profound as to not be easily forgiven.
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SaintsInDome2006 said:
Right, he just doesn't think he should back them.
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I'll grant you it's a curious position.  I think what he was trying to do was say that if tried to broker a peace deal he would listen to both sides.  I don't have any concerns that he'd sell Israel down the river.  None.  Is there a concern on my part that he makes some rookie mistakes by talking too much?  Yes.  I'm hoping that calms down when he's in office.  It is something to watch out for, no doubt.

 
Higgs said:
More misrepresentation - what's going on with you today?  It's unlike you.

Here is the entreaty of Horowitz's tying Kristol's disloyalty to the Republican Party to Israel:
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I may be wrong, but I never misrepresent.

IMO his first point is not pro-Israeli, it's almost anti-semitic in its own right in that it describes Israel's existence as being essentially an act of self-hatred, which is pretty much what the Iranians would say.

The second point he makes about Jews living in Israel being endangered is redundant and pointless considering Kristol opposes the Iran deal outright - while Trump supports keeping it, ie not tearing it up - and fully supporting Israel in the first place, where Trump says he is "neutral."

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
I may be wrong, but I never misrepresent.

IMO his first point is not pro-Israeli, it's almost anti-semitic in its own right in that it describes Israel's existence as being essentially an act of self-hatred, which is pretty much what the Iranians would say.

The second point he makes about Jews living in Israel being endangered is redundant and pointless considering Kristol opposes the Iran deal outright - while Trump supports keeping it, ie not tearing it up - and fully supporting Israel in the first place, where Trump says he is "neutral."
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Let's end the discussion agreeing on one thing, Saint - the article SUCKS.

 
Higgs said:
More misrepresentation - what's going on with you today?  It's unlike you.

Here is the entreaty of Horowitz's tying Kristol's disloyalty to the Republican Party to Israel:

I am a Jew who has never been to Israel and has never been a Zionist in the sense of believing that Jews can rid themselves of Jew hatred by having their own nation state. But half of world Jewry now lives in Israel, and the enemies whom Obama and Hillary have empowered — Iran, the Muslim Brotherhood, Hezbollah, ISIS, and Hamas — have openly sworn to exterminate the Jews. I am also an American (and an American first), whose country is threatened with destruction by the same enemies. To weaken the only party that stands between the Jews and their annihilation, and between America and the forces intent on destroying her, is a political miscalculation so great and a betrayal so profound as to not be easily forgiven.
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I get so pissed about this :bs:

Israel has hundreds of nuclear weapons and has zero concern with annihilation.  The only Muslim country with nuclear weapons is conspicuously not on that list of Israel's enemies.  Israel propagandizes fear in order to get money from the U.S. 

 
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Skoo said:
I love how people leave out US Senator and try to act like Obama went straight from town hall meetings to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

Although I suppose if you spent 2008 whining about how Obama didn't have enough experience, and are now voting for Trump, you might realize that you're being incredibly hypocritical.
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Bingo

 
Loan Sharks said:
You mean hypocritical like leaving out that Trump has been active in politics since 1992 with the Reform party, and this is his third run for the white house, has experience dealing with foreign dignitaries and has global and local business experience? Like that? 
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So, he isn't really an outsider?

BTW...being involved and having sort of run for something but never actually servicing is now experience?

 
 


The Mogul and the Babe


WASHINGTON — WE are in one of those rare unharmonic convergences when reality is more absurd than satire.

So I decided to dispense with satire and simply call Donald Trump at Trump Tower on Friday to hear about his trip to survey the damage from the volcanic eruption of his imminent nomination.

... When I asked if he had been chided by any Republicans for his Twitter feud with Elizabeth Warren, he replied, “You mean Pocahontas?” So much for reining it in.  ...
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http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/15/opinion/sunday/the-mogul-and-the-babe.html?_r=0

- Maureen Dowd

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
https://view.email.time.com/?qs=10f3ac79b66e5b3a035e0b7870760e62d7a64c453038e6bfde2eb0359923e897da8ba4236b740b34b4b7b404fc024007a2ef11ef7b114e8ebf582bcf381f3917

- 2+ weeks with no campaign events.

Does Donald realize the election is not over?
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In his defense, he doesn't need campaign events. He gets so much free press, that it's pointless for him to spend time traveling all over the country to campaign. He can just pop on Twitter or a cable news channel whenever he wants and get out the same message.

 
Higgs said:
If you want to think that Trump's position that he'd like to see a peace deal struck between Israel and the Palestinians somehow correlates to him not supporting Israel, you are welcome to that opinion.  Personally it's crap.  I've listened to countless speeches by the guy and he goes out of his way to say that he is unwavering in his support for Israel.  Not to mention the fact that the most important person in the guy's life, his daughter, is Jewish.  But believe what you want Saint.
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The most important person in his life is himself.  

 
It would seem that if you're the presumptive nominee that you don't really have to drum up publicity for yourself any more. Everyone is aware of the contest that is under way; now maybe it's time to see if you could act more convincingly presidential than your opponent. You know, like know stuff.

 
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