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I think we just want people of all faith, including Christians, to accept that we live in a diverse country (no matter what stats you want to post) and we all need be accepting of things we don't personally like. Would you be offended if an atheist working in a book store refused to sell you a bible?
http://www.pewforum.org/2015/05/12/americas-changing-religious-landscape/We're a nation with a lot of Christians in it which is not the same thing as a "Christian nation." We shouldn't have to explain basic things like this to you.
BTW, that 83% number is hugely misleading to the point of being criminally inaccurate. Over 20% -- and rising -- of us openly identify as having no religious affiliation.
And there's a huge difference between people who identify as "Christian" and those who identify with "Christianity." I don't have the numbers in front of me, but there's a concerted push against organized Christianity by people who believe in Jesus the Resurrected precisely because of a rejection of dogma. It's an interesting shift.
83% say they are Christian and you wonder why they don't want to talk to you? Most of them feel like atheist are the exception not the norm. In bigger cities I see the tide turning some but by and large most people believe in God, it's true. They are told you are the devil by their church and that you have wicked ways to sidetrack them, it's all in the manual if you read it.My experience has been that whenever I get into these discussions with religious conservatives, they're always the ones that get worked up and disappear - yet its the atheist liberals that are trying to force everyone to our views. I can have a well-reasonsed, fact-based discussion. They usually are the ones that unfriend me or end by telling me to "wake up!".
I'm the unreasonable one though.
And since I believe you're one of those boomers, I'll miss you HF. I'll keep the fight with MOP going for you!
Love thy neighbor?
And even those percentages are misleading. Large numbers of "Christians" attend church infrequently, if at all, and vote for liberal political candidates (as far as we have those in the U.S.). They're not only not "put upon" by long overdue full rights for gays, they're actively leading the charge against unfairness and inequity. Maybe because they believe that it's the way Christ wants them to be, I don't know and I don't care.
I'll miss you, too.*
All I ask for is a fact-based discussion. Provide examples instead of right-wing rhetoric. Like you're being asked for in this thread. Examples. That's usually where in devolves into name calling and ultimately disappearing (or in one case, unfriending me).
Wait, what? You think Muslims are any happier about the gay marriage rulings than Christians?
He was talking about my death. So... I don't know if I can answer that question to your satisfaction.
But they were basically Christians fleeing a Christian land in England because it wasn't Christian enough for them.
They fled because they weren't allowed to practice their religion freely.
I am not a Trump supporter...never claimed to be and I agree that he could tone down the rhetoric...that being said I find Hillary to be truly despicable...her words may not be overly harsh but her actions are...
Right, Christopher Columbus when he discovered the Bahamas...it's fine.
No, no, wait - this is important. I'm not trying to tear you down. There's an important distinction between the religious fanatics who came here originally from Europe and the Founding Fathers who created the system of government that has trickled down through the centuries under our Constitution.
Jeffrey tap dancing Zombies. Anything that is contrary to his beliefs is a personal attack. Any facts used to correct him are insults. Using his own words against him is mean spirited.
You're trying to use facts with a lunatic. A highly, HIGHLY intelligent lunatic, but a lunatic nonetheless.
Great humor...must go over well with your seventh grade pals...not sure what the fact is...I believe there is political correctness out there...gotta feeling I am not the only that feels that way...doesn't make me a victim because I am not...not whining either...just stating an opinion...sorry if it is a different opinion than yours...but again great job with the stick figure humor...and swear words as well...that's just crazy stuff...
To be fair, that's also the Christian view of religious freedom. "If you don't agree with my religion you're infringing on my rights!".
No, but they didn't found the United States of America because of the inability to practice Christianity the way they wanted to.
We only recognize the history books approved by the Texas board of Education here in the FFA
And many, many other things. In fact, the First Amendment's Free Exercise Clause is a direct response to persecution by the Puritans in this country. Franklin made that very clear.
