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Dr Oadi said:
NAFTA had just started to destroy decent well paying jobs that Democrats scream weren't being created during Bushs economic miracle of the 2000's.  
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Yes, my family has told me many stories of all the manufacturing jobs that left the U.S. 17 years ago.

 
For people concerned that a few of Clinton's 100s of speeches were to banks, etc... this is what a conflict of interest looks like:

1. All the other discussions of Trump's finances aside, his debt load has grown dramatically over the last year, from $350 million to $630 million. This is in just one year while his liquid assets have also decreased. Trump has been blackballed by all major US banks.

2. Post-bankruptcy Trump has been highly reliant on money from Russia, most of which has over the years become increasingly concentrated among oligarchs and sub-garchs close to Vladimir Putin. Here's a good overview from The Washington Post with one morsel for illustration ...


Since the 1980s, Trump and his family members have made numerous trips to Moscow in search of business opportunities, and they have relied on Russian investors to buy their properties around the world.


“Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets,” Trump’s son, Donald Jr., told a real estate conference in 2008, according to an account posted on the website of eTurboNews, a trade publication. “We see a lot of money pouring in from Russia.”





3. One example of this is the Trump Soho development in Manhattan, one of Trump's largest recent endeavors. The project was the hit with a series of lawsuits in response to some typically Trumpian efforts to defraud investors by making fraudulent claims about the financial health of the project. Emerging out of that litigation however was news about secret financing for the project from Russia and Kazakhstan. Most attention about the projects has focused on the presence of a twice imprisoned Russian immigrant with extensive ties to the Russian criminal underworld. But that's not the most salient part of the story. As the Times put it,


"Mr. Lauria brokered a $50 million investment in Trump SoHo and three other Bayrock projects by an Icelandic firm preferred by wealthy Russians “in favor with” President Vladimir V. Putin, according to a lawsuit against Bayrock by one of its former executives. The Icelandic company, FL Group, was identified in a Bayrock investor presentation as a “strategic partner,” along with Alexander Mashkevich, a billionaire once charged in a corruption case involving fees paid by a Belgian company seeking business in Kazakhstan; that case was settled with no admission of guilt."




Another suit alleged the project "occasionally received unexplained infusions of cash from accounts in Kazakhstan and Russia."

Sounds completely legit.

Read both articles: After his bankruptcy and business failures roughly a decade ago Trump has had an increasingly difficult time finding sources of capital for new investments. As I noted above, Trump has been blackballed by all major US banks with the exception of Deutschbank, which is of course a foreign bank with a major US presence. He has steadied and rebuilt his financial empire with a heavy reliance on capital from Russia. At a minimum the Trump organization is receiving lots of investment capital from people close to Vladimir Putin.

Trump's tax returns would likely clarify the depth of his connections to and dependence on Russian capital aligned with Putin. And in case you're keeping score at home: no, that's not reassuring.

4. Then there's Paul Manafort, Trump's nominal 'campaign chair' who now functions as campaign manager and top advisor. Manafort spent most of the last decade as top campaign and communications advisor for Viktor Yanukovych, the Pro-Russian Ukrainian Prime Minister and then President whose ouster in 2014 led to the on-going crisis and proxy war in Ukraine. Yanukovych was and remains a close Putin ally. Manafort is running Trump's campaign.

5. Trump's foreign policy advisor on Russia and Europe is Carter Page, a man whose entire professional career has revolved around investments in Russia and who has deep and continuing financial and employment ties to Gazprom. If you're not familiar with Gazprom, imagine if most or all of the US energy industry were rolled up into a single company and it were personally controlled by the President who used it as a source of revenue and patronage. That is Gazprom's role in the Russia political and economic system. It is no exaggeration to say that you cannot be involved with Gazprom at the very high level which Page has been without being wholly in alignment with Putin's policies. Those ties also allow Putin to put Page out of business at any time.

6. Over the course of the last year, Putin has aligned all Russian state controlled media behind Trump. As Frank Foer explains here, this fits a pattern with how Putin has sought to prop up rightist/nationalist politicians across Europe, often with direct or covert infusions of money. In some cases this is because they support Russia-backed policies; in others it is simply because they sow discord in Western aligned states. Of course, Trump has repeatedly praised Putin, not only in the abstract but often for the authoritarian policies and patterns of government which has most soured his reputation around the world.

7. Here's where it gets more interesting. This is one of a handful of developments that tipped me from seeing all this as just a part of Trump's larger shadiness to something more specific and ominous about the relationship between Putin and Trump. As TPM's Tierney Sneed explained in this article, one of the most enduring dynamics of GOP conventions (there's a comparable dynamic on the Dem side) is more mainstream nominees battling activists over the party platform, with activists trying to check all the hardline ideological boxes and the nominees trying to soften most or all of those edges. This is one thing that made the Trump convention very different. The Trump Camp was totally indifferent to the platform. So party activists were able to write one of the most conservative platforms in history. Not with Trump's backing but because he simply didn't care. With one big exception: Trump's team mobilized the nominee's traditional mix of cajoling and strong-arming on one point: changing the party platform on the assistance to Ukraine against Russian military operations in eastern Ukraine. For what it's worth (and it's not worth much) I am quite skeptical of most Republicans call for aggressively arming Ukraine to resist Russian aggression. But the singlemindedness of this focus on this one issue - in the context of total indifference to everything else in the platform - speaks volumes.
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massraider said:
Yes, my family has told me many stories of all the manufacturing jobs that left the U.S. 17 years ago.
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Your family isn't lying like Ted. http://money.cnn.com/2016/03/29/news/economy/us-manufacturing-jobs/

Want to know why half America makes less than 25k a year? Drive around outside your big shinning cities and see the decaying building where factories once thrived across the Nation.  Electing Hillary will ensure manufacturing jobs as a % of the economy gets cut in half again. 

Same as then http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/money/economy/2002-12-12-manufacture_x.htm same as now. Clintons smiling in your face saying they care and are looking out for you the little guy.  

 
massraider said:
I can't see how he can, but he's apparently responsible for all the angry black people in the country, so maybe he's more powerful than we thought.
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I think the criticism there is that a half-black President could have done a lot more for race relations and that it was something he generally ignored.That coupled with a recent press conference where he criticized a shooting before all the facts were known - he's getting the flack he deserves on this issue, IMO.

 
[scooter] said:
Violent crime down significantly since Obama took office -- yes it's looking like the 2015 stats will show an uptick from 2014's historic lows, but the numbers will still be lower than they were under Bush/Bush/Reagan.

Law enforcement deaths -- HISTORIC lows under Obama.

Military deaths -- our soldiers are safer now than any time since 2001.

Life expectancy = 78.8 years -- a record high.
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That's not what Trump argued in his RNC speech.  Trump argued that crime is up in the past year and that Obama and Hillary are not taking it seriously.  Where Trump really gains an edge is when he portrays the democrats as not taking it seriously.  It the democrats downplay the crime data, it actually looks pretty bad for them.  If they agree with his assessment, it also helps Trump.  

The key is that Trump got out in front of the issue and thus has control of the issue.  There's not much the democrats can really do about that now.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/05/14/we-have-a-problem-homicides-are-up-again-this-year-in-more-than-two-dozen-major-u-s-cities/?utm_term=.76f1be58c92b

 
Maurile Tremblay said:
Is Donald Trump Racist?

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/24/opinion/sunday/is-donald-trump-a-racist.html?_r=0

Article by a good journalist who has done some research.

I had been hoping there was a chance that Trump isn't genuinely racist himself so much as he is simply pandering to racists. The article takes away that hope.
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To prove the discrimination, blacks were repeatedly dispatched as testers to Trump apartment buildings to inquire about vacancies, and white testers were sent soon after. Repeatedly, the black person was told that nothing was available, while the white tester was shown apartments for immediate rental.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_3mSW8XUZI

 
The crime issue is just another example of how horrible a campaign Hillary is running and how great of a campaign Trump is running.  Hillary let Trump get out in front on the issue and now he controls it.  Why she did that I have no idea.  Now its a negative for her.

 
Obama really screwed up as well because he needed to some SOMETHING of substance after Dallas so the democrats get control of the crime issue before Trump took it over.  Obama just dragged his feet and now its a problem.  So he must take criticism as well.   

 
I'm not sure to what extent that story about Russian investor story is true. I need to see other work and get a bigger feel for it. However, if it does seem legit, than this  the baby boomers can cement themselves firmly as the worst generation ever by electing a president with Russian ties. Can you even imagine what Nixon, Reagan or Ike would say to this. What is wrong with people. Trump needs to release his taxes.

 
Ilov80s said:
I'm not sure to what extent that story about Russian investor story is true. I need to see other work and get a bigger feel for it. However, if it does seem legit, than this  the baby boomers can cement themselves firmly as the worst generation ever by electing a president with Russian ties. Can you even imagine what Nixon, Reagan or Ike would say to this. What is wrong with people. Trump needs to release his taxes.
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Dude we just elected a Muslim raised Marxist educated/influenced President.  One with modern Russian ties is scaling it down a bit. 

 
Dr Oadi said:
Dude we just elected a Muslim raised Marxist educated/influenced President.  One with modern Russian ties is scaling it down a bit. 
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No, not at all. Let's say every fear about Obama is absolutely 100% true - it's nowhere close to being as dangerous as being a puppet of Putin. I'm trying to think about how nominees in the past as close to Stalin/Kruschev/Brezhnev/Gorbachev would have been viewed if they were as this guy is to Putin - forget being forced out of the race, such a nominee would have been facing huge investigations, maybe accusations of treason? - it's really incredible.

 
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The General said:
You are insane :lol:
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43% of Republicans believe Obama is a secret Muslim. Sadly, that works out to about 55,000,000 clinically insane individuals.

I suppose this shouldn't be super surprising since a whopping 135,000,000 Americans are young earth creationists. I wonder if we created a Venn diagram how many of the 55,000,000 would intersect with the 135,000,000. I'm going to guess 100%. 

I guess what I'm trying to say is, America is quite special.

 
SameSongNDance said:
43% of Republicans believe Obama is a secret Muslim. Sadly, that works out to about 55,000,000 clinically insane individuals.

I suppose this shouldn't be super surprising since a whopping 135,000,000 Americans are young earth creationists. I wonder if we created a Venn diagram how many of the 55,000,000 would intersect with the 135,000,000. I'm going to guess 100%. 

I guess what I'm trying to say is, America is quite special.
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We're not crazy, we're just a little unwell.

 
badmojo1006 said:
So it was all Obama's fault? The country wasn't cratering in the middle of 2008? Under the President of GWB? 
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Did I say that? You asked me a question and I gave you an answer.

America stopped being great again about 8 years ago. I don't know why, I'm not blaming anyone, I simply answered the question you asked.

 
badmojo1006 said:
:lmao:  Sure, Whatever
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Maybe don't ask people questions if you're trying to corner them into an argument.

We haven't recovered from our recession 8 years ago. Being 24 years old that's obviously my perspective on the last time America was great.

But sure, laugh at me, lol. You're probably a lot of fun at parties.

 
October 11, 2007: Dow Jones hits all-time high of 14,198

January 20, 2009: Dow Jones is at 7,949.

That's nearly a 50% drop and it all happened on George W. Bush's watch.

 
[scooter] said:
October 11, 2007: Dow Jones hits all-time high of 14,198

January 20, 2009: Dow Jones is at 7,949.

That's nearly a 50% drop and it all happened on George W. Bush's under Washington's watch.
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Fixed, IMHO.  They were all responsible for the housing bubble and subsequent downturn.  Arguably, that's when we stopped being 'great' for a while.  Yes, we've turned things around ...but way too slowly.  And I'd argue that between Obama's attitude (arrogance?) and the tea party's stubbornness, Washington has become more disfunctional than it has been in recent memory ...another example of how we've stopped being 'great.'

Personally, I don't envision that either Trump or Clinton will fix the current problems in Washington.  And that's very unfortunate.  

 
I would say that we stopped being great at the beginning of W's first term, and not because he was elected, but because so many people thought he stole the election, when double and triple-checking Florida to the point of absurdity proved he didn't. Then there was the faulty intelligence that led to an Iraq invasion (should have been other ways to remove Hussein, but we don't assassinate foreign leaders). Then there was the housing market crash (the roots of which go back to the Carter administration - it was only a matter of time).

Obama though, has been asleep at the wheel for 8 years IMO.

 
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Sconch said:
What one random Hoosier thinks about Pence.  Grain of salt but interesting read

https://np.reddit.com/r/Indiana/comments/4u6qfr/slug/d5ng4e0
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Great exchange at the bottom of this:





We helped Trump out by knocking out Cruz and Kasich on May 3rd. Trump helps us out by getting rid of Pence.











 
 


[–]Justkevin87 11 points 9 hours ago 



He would have never been elected. Now we have to go through another Republican government.











 
 


[–]GetZePopcorn 12 points 4 hours ago 



The republican gov't before Pence was pretty good.











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[–]outlying_point 122 points 9 hours ago 



Dear Indiana:

We feel your pain.

Alaska











 
 


[–]son_of_stone 107 points 9 hours ago 



Dear Alaska:
You have no idea what pain is.
Kansas











 
 


[–]TheBause 86 points 8 hours ago 



Dear Kansas:

At least you aren't us.

Wisconsin











 
 


[–]sethuel1 72 points 8 hours ago 



Dear Wisconsin-

Just wait a bit and you'll see how bad it can get.

Louisiana











 
 


[–]klingma 34 points 8 hours ago 



Dear Louisiana:

Don't worry buddy. We'll get there in a couple years or so.

Kansas











 
 


[–]BlueEyedGreySkies 38 points 7 hours ago 



Dear Kansas,

Lol

Ohio











 
 


[–]klingma 32 points 7 hours ago 



Dear Ohio,

Shut up we know

Kansas











 
 


[–]boomecho 78 points 6 hours ago 



Dear Everyone Feeling ####ty,

Come chill and smoke a bowl with us.

Sincerely, Washington











 
 


[–]fahque650 44 points 6 hours ago 



Dear Washington,

Your weed might be legal, but it's still s###.

-California.











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[–]aedeos 18 points 5 hours ago 



Dear Washington

We're supposed to tell people it's raining and no one wants to be here.

Love, (S#####, rainy) WA











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[–]codemoney 5 points 3 hours ago 



Dear all states,

Kindly legalize pot.

EVERYBODY MUST GET STONED

Colorado





 
 


 



 


 



 


 



 


 




 
 


[–]jekyl42 15 points 7 hours ago 



Dear Louisiana,

Many of our former governors spent more time in prison than in office.

Illinois.











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[–]timeiscoming 53 points 8 hours ago 



Dear everyone else,

The Mexicans are coming for your daughters.

-Texas











 
 


[–]SurpriseHanging 75 points 7 hours ago 



Dear Texas,

Forget about the Mexicans. It's the transgenders that you have to watch for. They are coming for your bathrooms.

-North Carolina











 
 


[–]skybluegill 38 points 7 hours ago 



As long as nobody's coming for our weed or our guns.

  • Colorado











 
 


[–]Afin12 23 points 6 hours ago 



Dear Colorado,

Yo, pass that s### homie, quit hoggin' the blunt

Love,

Vermont





 
 


 


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[–]VampieOreo 91 points 7 hours ago 



Dear Texas,

We're doing pretty good with the Mexicans. And our daughters kinda like it.

-California











 
 


[–]DaHozer 43 points 7 hours ago 



Not to mention they also bring their daughters, and some of the guys out this way are pretty ok with that too.





 
 


 




 
 


[–]AfroKemp 15 points 7 hours ago 



Dear California, Hows the weather out west -Pennsylvania











 
 


[–]VampieOreo 39 points 6 hours ago 



Dear Pennsylvannia,

Considering we grow "99 percent of artichokes, 99 percent of walnuts, 97 percent of kiwis, 97 percent of plums, 95 percent of celery, 95 percent of garlic, 89 percent of cauliflower, 71 percent of spinach, and 69 percent of carrots" for the US,

You might want to be just as concerned about our weather as we are.

-California

























 
Now find a list of Clinton scandals and shady dealings over the years and convince us that Hillary is a gangster.

 
bueno said:
Now find a list of Clinton scandals and shady dealings over the years and convince us that Hillary is a gangster.
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It's not the same thing Bueno. Hillary has been involved in many shady stories but all of the serious charges made against her have never be proven. On the other hand, Trump's bigotry is on the record for all to see. 

 
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It's not the same thing Bueno. Hillary has been involved in many shady stories but all of the serious charges made against her have never be proven. On the other hand, Trump's bigotry is on the record for all to see. 
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Not a believer in "where there's smoke there's fire" huh? With Shillary it's more like "where there is smoke, empty gas cans and books of matches...."

 
Card Trader said:
Not a believer in "where there's smoke there's fire" huh? With Shillary it's more like "where there is smoke, empty gas cans and books of matches...."
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 Have a feeling you will avoid the question completely, but what is Hillarys "empty gas can and books of matches?"

 
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