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Boston said:
In many ways it is the boy who cried wolf...the dems have disparaged anyone who they have deemed a threat dating back to Reagan...pretty much every Republican that has challenged them has been attacked with many of the same labels that are now being thrown at Trump...I think many are tired of this tactic...if Hillary wants to defeat Trump I don't think this strategy will be the way to go...if she wants to win she should show why a continuation of the past eight years is a winning formula for our country as well as why the American people can trust her to be her their Commander-in-Chief... 
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Although I agree with the general premise here--and that HRC needs to provide a compelling reason to vote for her other than fact that she's not Trump--it remains to be seen if she needs to do more.   And, I agree every year it's been Bush Sr. Is so awful, Bush Jr. Is so awful, they're dangerous, etc.. So, the crying wolf part is, I think, pretty spot on.  

Still, Trump is unlike anything we've ever seen in American politics, and he is truly hideous.  The last 40 years have seen really bad candidates on all sides, but all were within the framework of expected and acceptable levels of awfulness.  Trump is different.  But, therein lies the problem of crying wolf.

 
dparker713 said:
8 years ago the entire financial system of this country was on the brink of collapse and we were in the process of shedding millions of jobs in the worst economic downturn since the Great Depression.  So your answer is 100% full of ####.
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So you're happy with the current administrations handling of foreign policy?

 
The disagreement between Trump and Clinton on Iran’s nuclear ambitions is over the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action, which is designed to lengthen the so-called “breakout” time — the amount of time that it takes to assemble a bomb.

Prior to the agreement, the breakout time was thought to be months, but now it is more than a year for at least 10 years, as the nonpartisan Congressional Research Service explains in its May report “Iran Nuclear Agreement.”
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factcheck.org

 
sublimeone said:
handling of ISIS has been excellent?
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That remains to be seen. But my thought is yes. Our coalition is winning. Hopefully Mosul will be liberated soon. And Obama has avoided putting lots of troops over there. 

Obviously it's a very messy situation and it's going to stay messy for years. I'm not sure that our commitment to the overthrow of Assad in Syria makes sense in terms of our war against ISIS. I don't know how we handle Turkey, or their problems with the Kurds. There's a lot nobody knows, and the whole thing is a huge mess. But I believe that Obama has navigated it very well. I certainly have yet to hear a reasonable alternative to what he has done so far. What's yours? 

 
sublimeone said:
handling of ISIS has been excellent?
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- ISIS territory is shrinking.

- zero ISIS-led attacks on American soil.

- minimal American soldier casualties.

It's not exactly perfect, but if we're going to use the George W. Bush era as our standard, then I'd say we're well on our way towards "Mission Accomplished".

 
timschochet said:
That remains to be seen. But my thought is yes. Our coalition is winning. Hopefully Mosul will be liberated soon. And Obama has avoided putting lots of troops over there. 

Obviously it's a very messy situation and it's going to stay messy for years. I'm not sure that our commitment to the overthrow of Assad in Syria makes sense in terms of our war against ISIS. I don't know how we handle Turkey, or their problems with the Kurds. There's a lot nobody knows, and the whole thing is a huge mess. But I believe that Obama has navigated it very well. I certainly have yet to hear a reasonable alternative to what he has done so far. What's yours? 
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I guess you have an answer for everything Tim. I don't have the energy to debate you nor will I pretend to be a foreign policy expert. My original comment in this thread was an attempt to explain why Trump is receiving the support he's getting. There's a reason 70% of the country believes we are headed in the wrong direction... it might be time to start questioning the democrat leadership you so stridently defend.

 
I like how people think that Trump signals the death of the GOP. Yes, the party is divided, as evidenced by the 17 candidates running, but at least the division is being addressed. Meanwhile most Dems continue to be sheep to their Establishment. Republicans are way ahead in their process of evolution. The pendulum will swing back hard one day. I'm not a Trump fan and am not happy with the way things are going within the party but I'm glad these things are happening. It's time to stop the focus on religion (I'm agnostic), abortion(I'm pro-choice) and gay rights (I'm pro-gay marriage) and focus on the economy and our security.

 
We might just need a new congress since only 13% approve of them.  OTOH, 49% approve of the job Obama is doing.  Don't worry though, the senate will be addressed in November.

 
sublimeone said:
I guess you have an answer for everything Tim. I don't have the energy to debate you nor will I pretend to be a foreign policy expert. My original comment in this thread was an attempt to explain why Trump is receiving the support he's getting. There's a reason 70% of the country believes we are headed in the wrong direction... it might be time to start questioning the democrat leadership you so stridently defend.
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Well this seems like a pretty hostile answer. I certainly don't have all the answers. But you asked my opinion, so I offered it. 

I'm aware that a big portion of the country thinks things are going badly. But that doesn't make them right. Even so I think we should question our leadership at all times. If I thought, however, that Donald Trump offered a better alternative, I would be voting for him. I don't think he does. 

 
jamny said:
I like how people think that Trump signals the death of the GOP. Yes, the party is divided, as evidenced by the 17 candidates running, but at least the division is being addressed. Meanwhile most Dems continue to be sheep to their Establishment. Republicans are way ahead in their process of evolution. The pendulum will swing back hard one day. I'm not a Trump fan and am not happy with the way things are going within the party but I'm glad these things are happening. It's time to stop the focus on religion (I'm agnostic), abortion(I'm pro-choice) and gay rights (I'm pro-gay marriage) and focus on the economy and our security.
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Very refreshing outlook on it tbh. Kudos.

 
jamny said:
I like how people think that Trump signals the death of the GOP. Yes, the party is divided, as evidenced by the 17 candidates running, but at least the division is being addressed. Meanwhile most Dems continue to be sheep to their Establishment. Republicans are way ahead in their process of evolution. The pendulum will swing back hard one day. I'm not a Trump fan and am not happy with the way things are going within the party but I'm glad these things are happening. It's time to stop the focus on religion (I'm agnostic), abortion(I'm pro-choice) and gay rights (I'm pro-gay marriage) and focus on the economy and our security.
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Republicans did that before Reagan, didnt work out well for them.

 
jamny said:
I like how people think that Trump signals the death of the GOP. Yes, the party is divided, as evidenced by the 17 candidates running, but at least the division is being addressed. Meanwhile most Dems continue to be sheep to their Establishment. Republicans are way ahead in their process of evolution. The pendulum will swing back hard one day. I'm not a Trump fan and am not happy with the way things are going within the party but I'm glad these things are happening. It's time to stop the focus on religion (I'm agnostic), abortion(I'm pro-choice) and gay rights (I'm pro-gay marriage) and focus on the economy and our security.
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For most of my life the Republican party has been considered a three legged stool. Those three legs were: 

1. Firm foreign policy which recognizes the US as the leader of the free world, commitment to NATO and our allies in Asia.

2. Economic conservatism: low taxes, low regulation, free trade. 

3. Social conservatism.

Donald Trump has abandoned all 3 of these legs. Whatever the Republican party under his leadership is now, it's not what it was before. If he loses, we'll see if it goes back to what it was. 

 
Divided is pretty mild way of putting it.   The GOP is an absolute train wreck.   The only obvious change that's coming is gay rights.   Religion in general and pro-life will always be major pillars of the GOP.

 
timschochet said:
For most of my life the Republican party has been considered a three legged stool. Those three legs were: 

1. Firm foreign policy which recognizes the US as the leader of the free world, commitment to NATO and our allies in Asia.

2. Economic conservatism: low taxes, low regulation, free trade. 

3. Social conservatism.

Donald Trump has abandoned all 3 of these legs. Whatever the Republican party under his leadership is now, it's not what it was before. If he loses, we'll see if it goes back to what it was. 
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1. I think he does envision the US as the leader of the free world

2. We'll see what he does propose here and he isn't against free trade, just (apparently whatever it means) fair free trade.

3. I'm glad he is making Republicans see that social conservatism isn't needed to win the nomination.

 
jamny said:
1. I think he does envision the US as the leader of the free world

2. We'll see what he does propose here and he isn't against free trade, just (apparently whatever it means) fair free trade.

3. I'm glad he is making Republicans see that social conservatism isn't needed to win the nomination.
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jamny, no offense, but if you believe points #1 and #2 you're not paying attention. He's been extremely clear on both points, over and over again. 

 
timschochet said:
jamny, no offense, but if you believe points #1 and #2 you're not paying attention. He's been extremely clear on both points, over and over again. 
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You don't think he believes that the US should be the leader in the free world? And he has stated multiple times that he isn't against free trade, just that it has to be fair free trade for the US.

 
Did I read correctly that 3/4 of the American People who were polled or asked viewed Trump's speech favorably? Gotta be BS...let me try and get a link so I don't spook myself. 

Daily Mail

Be careful if you don't have good adware blocker or are offended by scantily clad pseudo celebrities...

 
jamny said:
You don't think he believes that the US should be the leader in the free world? And he has stated multiple times that he isn't against free trade, just that it has to be fair free trade for the US.
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1. He stated Wednesday to the NY Times that he doesn't believe we (the USA) has the moral authority to tell the rest of the world what to do. He has suggested that we needn't honor our commitments to NATO or to our Asian allies. He has repeated both comments on several occasions. He also uses the term "America First", which has historically been synonymous with isolationism. 

2. When someone says they're in favor of "fair free trade", that is code for being against free trade. But with Trump such interpretation isn't necessary, because he has proposed very specific high tariffs against China, against Mexico, and against most of our trading partners. He is opposed to free trade (and on this one issue Trump has been consistent now for at least 20 years.) 

 
I watched Bill Maher tonight, it was a loaded show. I wanted to launch America Ferrari or whatever her name is. She really doesn't get it and the fact she doesn't understand why people are flocking to Trump is disturbing.

Maher was hitting them over the fence tonight IMO, I don't agree with him straight down a checklist but he had some great points and I applaud him for trying to show the faults within religion.  

 
timschochet said:
1. He stated Wednesday to the NY Times that he doesn't believe we (the USA) has the moral authority to tell the rest of the world what to do. He has suggested that we needn't honor our commitments to NATO or to our Asian allies. He has repeated both comments on several occasions. He also uses the term "America First", which has historically been synonymous with isolationism. 

2. When someone says they're in favor of "fair free trade", that is code for being against free trade. But with Trump such interpretation isn't necessary, because he has proposed very specific high tariffs against China, against Mexico, and against most of our trading partners. He is opposed to free trade (and on this one issue Trump has been consistent now for at least 20 years.) 
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Good post.

But while Trump does have an isolationist bent in him, it is again a sign of the times. If things were going well, I'm sure he would be happy to expand American economic influence around the globe. But he realizes that we first need to fix our own house. Whether that means security or our economy. Maybe we need to focus on ourselves a little bit for now.

 
jamny said:
Good post.

But while Trump does have an isolationist bent in him, it is again a sign of the times. If things were going well, I'm sure he would be happy to expand American economic influence around the globe. But he realizes that we first need to fix our own house. Whether that means security or our economy. Maybe we need to focus on ourselves a little bit for now.
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Meh, he'll say whatever people want to hear at the time.  

 
timschochet said:
2. When someone says they're in favor of "fair free trade", that is code for being against free trade. But with Trump such interpretation isn't necessary, because he has proposed very specific high tariffs against China, against Mexico, and against most of our trading partners. He is opposed to free trade (and on this one issue Trump has been consistent now for at least 20 years.) 
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He's so opposed to free trade that he makes his products in China.

 
cstu said:
Meh, he'll say whatever people want to hear at the time.  
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Yeah see that I don't believe. That's more Hillary's MO. I think he might be delusional in thinking he can do what he wants but I don't think he says what he says to appease anyone. It's not well thought out but there is a genuine feeling to his comments, unlike Hillary.

 
jamny said:
Yeah see that I don't believe. That's more Hillary's MO. I think he might be delusional in thinking he can do what he wants but I don't think he says what he says to appease anyone. It's not well thought out but there is a genuine feeling to his comments, unlike Hillary.
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http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/history-donald-trumps-flip-flopping-issues-presidential-campaign/story?id=39063811

That's just this campaign, not the contradictory statements he's made over the years.

 
cstu said:
He's so opposed to free trade that he makes his products in China.
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What differentiates his statement that he wants to reform trade agreements, but right now has to operate under the system as it is, from Clinton's statement that she wants campaign finance reform, but has to raise money under the system as it is? 

Both are full of poo.

 
Joseph Goebbels said:
What differentiates his statement that he wants to reform trade agreements, but right now has to operate under the system as it is, from Clinton's statement that she wants campaign finance reform, but has to raise money under the system as it is? 

Both are full of poo.
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You would get any disagreement from me, what what differentiates them to me is Hillary is trying to act like a President and he is a spoiled, selfish, petulant child.

 
There's something that bugs me about the anti-globalization movement and that is - isn't globalization just the natural progression of capitalism? The capitalist credo is to lift restrictions and a globalized economy does just that by unburdening economic activity of time zones/boundaries. To restrain globalization you need to do so in an artificial manner.

I'm of the belief that "bringing back manufacturing jobs" is a pipe dream.. that ship has long since sailed. This is probably the sole part of Bernie's movement I wasn't on board with, it's just not realistic in 2016.

I suppose my point is, whenever I see a Trump supporter holding up a "Socialism sucks!" sign I wonder if they even remotely understand the impacts of protectionism. Protectionism sets limits on trade and in turn sets limits on economic activity. If you truly believed in capitalism I don't see how you could buy into protectionism.  :shrug:

 
Great point from 1600.

The master negotiator let Cruz have prime time to not endorse him.

The most scripted easy event.  

Trump had his daddies money/influence all the way through.  Eventually inherited a boatload.  He doesn't reveal his taxes because he barely pays them and is not worth much more then he inherited.  His "brand" times decades is how he measures his wealth.

 
I am conservative and have voted for the GOP candidate every election since my first in 1976. I will not be voting for Trump or Clinton. Trump acceptance speech painted a very grim picture of the world and much of what he said was based on exaggerations and misinformation but Trump supporters will never admit it.  The Pulitzer prize winning Politifact had Trump winning the Lie of the year in 2015.....they couldn't settle for just one they were so numerous. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2015/dec/21/2015-lie-year-donald-trump-campaign-misstatements/  I know what the Trump supporters are going to say, that you can't trust the liberal media and Politifact. They didn't win the Pulitzer prize by being baised

The grim picture that I see is that so many are willing to vote for him despite his lies, lack of decency, and pompous arrogance. ( Geez...I am like a super model times 10)

I haven't decided if I am going to sit this one out for the first time in 40 years or vote for Johnson who is the least offensive candidate even though I don't agree with him on social issues. While I didn't support him at first today I think the best candidate would have been Kasich.

 
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