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Gucci Fur said:
So what are the main concerns if Trump has a good relationship with Putin?

I thought one of the great accomplishments of Obama was mending relationships with foreign countries.

What is the problem if the US and Russia are on good terms? Keep your enemies closer right?
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Shirtless photos of the two of them riding on horseback together?

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
I thought the concern with Obama was we abandon our allies. Are we standing with Russia or are we standing with Poland, the Baltics and Eastern Europe? We haven't heard one word of support from Trump for our allies, just excuse making for Putin and equivocating on our commitments.
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Maybe we need to give them some more uranium???

 
Dr Oadi said:
Bwahahahahaahhaha
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The DNC WikiLeaks hack n’ dump, however, is the real smoking gun. As much as the Clinton campaign is trying to blame this on Russian intervention in order to deflect criticism of the unseemly anti-Sanders slant the emails revealed, the campaign has a point. Let’s look at the facts. A month ago, it was discovered that “Fancy Bear” and “Cozy Bear” had hacked the DNC’s servers, and that the Bears were associated with the GRU, Russian military intelligence and one of the most secretive branches of the Russian security apparatus. A month later, the DNC emails appear in the hands of WikiLeaks, bearing metadata that show they had passed through Russian computers.

This is not surprising. WikiLeaks has a long history with the Russian government. Founder Julian Assange — painted as an example of Western hypocrisy – became a hero of Russian propaganda when he became trapped at the Ecuadorian embassy in London. He was even given a show on RT, the Kremlin’s English-language propaganda channel. Edward Snowden didn’t end up in Russia by accident. While on the lam and in purgatory in a Moscow airport, Snowden was accompanied by Sarah Harrison, editor of WikiLeaks. According to the WikiLeaks website, “Miss Harrison has courageously assisted Mr. Snowden with his lawful departure from Hong Kong and is accompanying Mr. Snowden in his passage to safety.”

It seems almost indisputable that this is what happened: The Russian government hacked the DNC’s computers, then passed the embarrassing info to WikiLeaks so they could cheer a leftist hero and take down Hillary Clinton, whom the Kremlin doesn’t want to see in the White House.

Also indisputable is the fact that the Kremlin clearly, overtly wants Trump to win. As I laid out in this piece in Politico last month: Kremlin-controlled television portrays Hillary Clinton as a hater of Russia and a reckless warmonger. One TV report stated that the “role of the Clinton family and of Hillary in particular in the American wars of the last couple decades is hard to overstate.” Trump is presented as a pragmatist who understands that America is over-extended and needs to pull back. “Trump’s ideology is one of rejecting the destructive globalism of the last few years in favor of a healthy American isolationism,” one prominent pro-Kremlin commentator declared on prime-time TV, adding that Trump’s declaration of intent to work with Putin infuriates American “globalists.”

The Kremlin is clearly happy to see a Republican candidate who preaches disbanding NATO (or throwing it into debtors prison) and advocates an American retreat from the world stage. If America retreats, Russia advances, nipping at its heels. See, for example, Syria. If America’s role in the world shrinks, Russia’s role in the world grows. This is how Putin sees it. Russia will get stronger because America will get weaker. This is why he is overtly throwing in for Trump, who has also lavishly complimented him.

This is exactly the kind of thing the Kremlin does. In the age of what Russia calls “asymmetric warfare,” this is exactly the kind of soft meddling its government has engaged in all over its near abroad and Europe, from the founding of RT, its international propaganda channel, in 2005 to the cyberattack on Estonia 2007, to the financing of Marine Le Pen’s party. There is also speculation that Putin has helped bankroll UKIP in England and Golden Dawn in Greece, among others.

Putin has long raged against the West meddling in the government of Russia and the former Soviet republics, which he sees as his sphere of influence. He blames both Orange Revolutions in Ukraine, the Rose Revolution in Georgia, and the Tulip Revolution in Kyrgyzstan on the U.S. government. He also blames the anti-Putin, pro-democracy protests that broke out in 2011 and 2012 in Moscow on the State Department. So in Putin’s mind, he is just answering in kind.
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Crazy stuff.  I have never been a fan of Assange or Snowden.

 
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Gucci Fur said:
So what are the main concerns if Trump has a good relationship with Putin?

I thought one of the great accomplishments of Obama was mending relationships with foreign countries.

What is the problem if the US and Russia are on good terms? Keep your enemies closer right?
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Russians interests aren't our best interests or our allies best interests. Trump already gutted the GOP platforms anti-Russian stance, now saying Ukraine is on their own and greasing the skids for further Russian expansion. Ironically Republicans have spent a year blasting Obama for not giving weapons to Kiev. Weakening NATO is also part of that plan, and an advantage to Russian influence in the region. We already know Manafort was a consultant for the corrupt, pro Russian ex pres Yanukovych, so the campaign already has ties. Now the policies are coming out that confirm a pro Russian angle. 

The question is how much is Trump personally in Putins pocket? Tax returns would help shed some light on that. By most accounts, including Trumps kid, Trump is heavily leveraged with Russian money and the oligarchs close to Putin. Not sure there has ever been a US president whose personal fortune is tied to the country the GOP platform 4 years ago called our "biggest geopolitical foe", but that's where we are. Kind of funny in a twisted way that the GOP and their wrapped in the flag constituency just nominated a pro Russian candidate who owes Russians. Now imagine if a "liberal" did that?

 
To go along with my post above, the Trump supporters were the ones badmouthing Putin, the Ukraine stuff, Kim Jong Un, North Korea, et al, and now you same people, in a matter of a couple years, are supporting those individuals. Also, it was anti-American to bad mouth Assange and Snowden because they were giving away secrets to Russia about our countries interests, our ally support positions and so on and so on, and now you same supporters of Trump are fully embracing them for hacking into the DNC and showing what a "phony" Hillary is due to Wasserman-Schultz. You do realize this is what you have done, correct? 

This is insanity if you take a step away from your beloved (R) and see this for what it is. 

 
32 Counter Pass said:
Good grief you are naive, and sorry to say you are a bit clueless. One unintended consequences if we ever do figure a way to keep cheap labor from coming into this country. Here is a link that help inform you about one of those consequences: http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2011/06/georgias-harsh-immigration-law-costs-millions-in-unharvested-crops/240774/

And what of the cost of said wall? Washington Post estimated Trump's wall would cost $42B: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/02/11/trumps-dubious-claim-that-his-border-wall-would-cost-8-billion/ 

This also might be a good time to remind you about how proficient the Mexicans are at building tunnels?  
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They are good miners.

 
Mario Kart said:
You Trump supporters do understand that everything Trump has said goes against the "core" values of the Republican party, right? If you guys want small government, limited government, protection of Constitutional rights, then Trump is not the one that is going to do that. You do know this, correct? Everything he is campaigning on will increase the governments size greatly and quick. The expansion of government and government overreach is going to be swift, alarming, and something many will want back as soon as it happens (Patriot Act 2.0). And, to top it off, how is this all going to be paid for? Sure, taxes may not be raised but all of this is not going to be funded. "Cut social programs" is not going to fly either as there will be more people out of work and so on.

Some of you are walking down a very dangerous path and either you're not willing to see it or you're not looking three steps ahead of you. All of you are playing Pokemon Go and walking into a highway during rush hour. Good luck.
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Not a Trump supporter, but this is definitely a revolution in the Republican Party as it moves closer to the center and the Democrats move farther to the right. Crazy election we are having.

 
renesauz said:
Scary stuff. He sounds like the neighborhood bully taking the smaller kids' lunch money. Even if he's right, and we could do that, I'd be embaressed as heck to have a family member taking lunch money that way...I'll be mortified if my country does it.
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Please. Trump wants other NATO countries to pay the agreed amount into the pot. As it stands right now, the USA basically funds the entire thing. Here are his words from the link posted.

"I want them to pay," he said. "They don’t pay us what they should be paying! We lose on everything. Folks, we lose on everything."

He went on to criticize former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's foreign policy record: "She makes it impossible to negotiate. She’s not a negotiator. She’s a fool.”

"We have to walk," Trump added. "Within two days they're calling back! Get back over here, we’ll pay you whatever the hell you want."
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It's more nuanced than "TRUMP SAYS WE SHOULD LEAVE NATO."

 
Democrats (8 years ago): WE ARE NOT THE WORLD POLICE! VOTE OBAMA

Deomocrats (now): TRUMP SAYS WE AREN'T THE WORLD POLICE! VOTE CLINTON

 
NATO documents show that a majority of NATO members fail to meet NATO’s guideline, established in 2006, that defense expenditures should amount to 2 percent of each country’s gross domestic product. The median spending in 2015 is just 1.18 percent of GDP, compared to 3.7 percent for the United States, NATO says. Just four other countries currently exceed the 2 percent guideline.

“The volume of the US defense expenditure effectively represents 73 per cent of the defense spending of the Alliance as a whole,” NATO says in a discussion of indirect funding. “This does not mean that the United States covers 73 per cent of the costs involved in the operational running of NATO as an organization, including its headquarters in Brussels and its subordinate military commands, but it does mean that there is an over-reliance by the Alliance as a whole on the United States for the provision of essential capabilities, including for instance, in regard to intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance; air-to-air refueling; ballistic missile defense; and airborne electronic warfare.”

NATO concedes this imbalance has been an issue since the start of the alliance: “The combined wealth of the non-US Allies, measured in GDP, exceeds that of the United States. However, non-US Allies together spend less than half of what the United States spends on defense.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/03/30/trumps-claim-that-the-u-s-pays-the-lions-share-for-nato/

 
Mario Kart said:
It'll be an engineering marvel. Stuff of legend. 
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You'll be able to see it from outer Space. We can put up taco stands along it. And beer taverns. It will be a huge money-maker.

 
Rick James said:
NATO documents show that a majority of NATO members fail to meet NATO’s guideline, established in 2006, that defense expenditures should amount to 2 percent of each country’s gross domestic product. The median spending in 2015 is just 1.18 percent of GDP, compared to 3.7 percent for the United States, NATO says. Just four other countries currently exceed the 2 percent guideline.

“The volume of the US defense expenditure effectively represents 73 per cent of the defense spending of the Alliance as a whole,” NATO says in a discussion of indirect funding. “This does not mean that the United States covers 73 per cent of the costs involved in the operational running of NATO as an organization, including its headquarters in Brussels and its subordinate military commands, but it does mean that there is an over-reliance by the Alliance as a whole on the United States for the provision of essential capabilities, including for instance, in regard to intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance; air-to-air refueling; ballistic missile defense; and airborne electronic warfare.”

NATO concedes this imbalance has been an issue since the start of the alliance: “The combined wealth of the non-US Allies, measured in GDP, exceeds that of the United States. However, non-US Allies together spend less than half of what the United States spends on defense.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/03/30/trumps-claim-that-the-u-s-pays-the-lions-share-for-nato/
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Well come on, what does this matter....

The facts I mean ;)

 
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Rick James said:
NATO documents show that a majority of NATO members fail to meet NATO’s guideline, established in 2006, that defense expenditures should amount to 2 percent of each country’s gross domestic product. The median spending in 2015 is just 1.18 percent of GDP, compared to 3.7 percent for the United States, NATO says. Just four other countries currently exceed the 2 percent guideline.

“The volume of the US defense expenditure effectively represents 73 per cent of the defense spending of the Alliance as a whole,” NATO says in a discussion of indirect funding. “This does not mean that the United States covers 73 per cent of the costs involved in the operational running of NATO as an organization, including its headquarters in Brussels and its subordinate military commands, but it does mean that there is an over-reliance by the Alliance as a whole on the United States for the provision of essential capabilities, including for instance, in regard to intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance; air-to-air refueling; ballistic missile defense; and airborne electronic warfare.”

NATO concedes this imbalance has been an issue since the start of the alliance: “The combined wealth of the non-US Allies, measured in GDP, exceeds that of the United States. However, non-US Allies together spend less than half of what the United States spends on defense.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/03/30/trumps-claim-that-the-u-s-pays-the-lions-share-for-nato/
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This is a problem for sure. What other leverage do we have? Saying "get your costs up where they should be or they are going to be a lot higher when we pull out" is a great negotiating tactic.

 
ericttspikes said:
Russians interests aren't our best interests or our allies best interests. Trump already gutted the GOP platforms anti-Russian stance, now saying Ukraine is on their own and greasing the skids for further Russian expansion. Ironically Republicans have spent a year blasting Obama for not giving weapons to Kiev. Weakening NATO is also part of that plan, and an advantage to Russian influence in the region. We already know Manafort was a consultant for the corrupt, pro Russian ex pres Yanukovych, so the campaign already has ties. Now the policies are coming out that confirm a pro Russian angle. 

The question is how much is Trump personally in Putins pocket? Tax returns would help shed some light on that. By most accounts, including Trumps kid, Trump is heavily leveraged with Russian money and the oligarchs close to Putin. Not sure there has ever been a US president whose personal fortune is tied to the country the GOP platform 4 years ago called our "biggest geopolitical foe", but that's where we are. Kind of funny in a twisted way that the GOP and their wrapped in the flag constituency just nominated a pro Russian candidate who owes Russians. Now imagine if a "liberal" did that?
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Trump is really one of Putin's underlings. 

 
Mario Kart said:
To go along with my post above, the Trump supporters were the ones badmouthing Putin, the Ukraine stuff, Kim Jong Un, North Korea, et al, and now you same people, in a matter of a couple years, are supporting those individuals. Also, it was anti-American to bad mouth Assange and Snowden because they were giving away secrets to Russia about our countries interests, our ally support positions and so on and so on, and now you same supporters of Trump are fully embracing them for hacking into the DNC and showing what a "phony" Hillary is due to Wasserman-Schultz. You do realize this is what you have done, correct? 

This is insanity if you take a step away from your beloved (R) and see this for what it is. 
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Republican are now Putin supporters because damaging leaks came out about democrats that may somehow be tied to Russia? 

 
sublimeone said:
Republican are now Putin supporters because damaging leaks came out about democrats that may somehow be tied to Russia? 
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Former NSA analyst John Schindler wrote a piece in the Observer the other day about it. He's a conservative and has written exhaustively about Hillary's emails and skewered her. He's convinced the DNC hack was Russian, and he's convinced Putin may be meddling in the election. Whether Republicans care or not is the question. 

http://observer.com/2016/07/wikileaks-dismantling-of-dnc-is-clear-attack-by-putin-on-clinton/

"It turns out there’s hardly any mystery there. It’s no secret that the DNC was recently subject to a major hack, one which independent cybersecurity experts easilyassessed as being the work of Russian intelligence through previously known cut-outs. One of them, called COZY BEAR or APT 29, has used spear-phishing to gain illegal access to many private networks in the West, as well as the White House, the State Department, and the Joint Chiefs of Staff last year. Another hacking group involved in the attack on the DNC, called FANCY BEAR or APT 28, is a well-known Russian front, as I’ve previously profiled."

"I’m anything but a Hillary fan, as my extensive reporting on her crimes and lies in EmailGate can attest. However, I am far more troubled by the naked interference of the Kremlin and its spy agencies in American democracy, which is a threat to our freedoms beyond anything the Clintons might do. Every American should demand thorough investigation of the DNC leak and it’s well past time for the mainstream media to examine closely what Wikileaks really is—as I’ve been doing for years. It’s satisfying to see my reality-based counterintelligence analysis of Wikileaks finally being endorsed by the media, but I would have preferred if they had paid attention earlier and the current election-year disaster with DNC emails had been avoided."

 
The goober that created the "Freedom Kids" is suing Trump now. Those were those kids that performed that awful Trump Youth song and dance number in January:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPRfP_TEQ-g

Link to article that reads like all of his other dealings with small businesses.

It started in Pensacola. When Popick first reached out to the Trump campaign about performing, he spoke with various people including former campaign manager Corey Lewandowski. His understanding from the campaign was that the Kids would make two appearances in Florida, where Popick lives. The first event didn't come to fruition, and Popick says he asked for $2,500 in payment for the second performance, in Pensacola. The campaign made a counter-offer: How about a table where the group could presell albums? Popick took the deal.

When they arrived at the venue, though, there was no table, Popick says. The result was "complete chaos," he said. "They clearly had made no provisions for that."
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Trump: "I'll give you $2500 to let me punch you twice in the balls."

Popick: "Okay, it's a deal."

[Trump punches Popick once in the balls, walks away]

 
Plorfu said:
The goober that created the "Freedom Kids" is suing Trump now. Those were those kids that performed that awful Trump Youth song and dance number in January:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPRfP_TEQ-g

Link to article that reads like all of his other dealings with small businesses.
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That does it. I'm voting Clinton now.  Trump should have been all over this dealing himself, the fact he'd leave something this massive up to an underling is completely unacceptable.  Thanks for posting this, it's a game changer!!

 
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