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Ministry of Pain said:
Ministry of Pain said:
So you feel like Trump is already planning his exit speech or defeat speech? "It was rigged"

You feel like he won't go quietly into the night?
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And now you understand why folks are voting for him. I'm not trying to start nothing 3C, but the very reasons you hate him, folks love him for it. You do understand this isn't just a crazy man in the middle of the field with 3 KKK members standing around him?...I know it gets painted that way at times but it's not reality whether we like it or not.

I'm not here to create iWars but the understanding of why folks flock to Trump is what amazes me more than the results.  
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http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/donald-trump-concede-succession-227252

 
Ministry of Pain said:
Wat?

A month ago Trump was getting his clock cleaned by the smarties I thought. 

Are you white with a college degree RK1292?
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Let's look a little closer. Trump is doing really well with white men without college degrees and owns a majority of the support from college educated white men (this is a demo that Republicans have traditionally done well in though Trump is not doing as well here as past GOP candidates). In every other major demographic he trails -- women, both degreed or not, African-Americans, both degreed or not, Hispanics, both degreed or not, Asians, both degreed or not. So the common denominator here isn't level of education, the common denominator is that he is doing well solely among white men.

We may want to discuss why this is so.

 
Ministry of Pain said:
You could have posted something like "That's just one poll, do you have examples of others? I was under the impression that Donald was still trailing in many other polls"

But you didn't do that and now you're offended by what I posted...I'm not coming after you personally so don't act that way. Everyone in here does it, that's why it's a terrible place to discuss anything meaningful in politics. 
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When MoP lectures on courtesy, the world is truly upside down

 
knowledge dropper said:
This is actually a fascinating discussion board item.  Until now I had never heard of any men that were voting for Hillary. Almost all of my circle of friends have at least a bachelors so we are not a bunch of slack jawed yokel Klansman that CNBC would have you believe.    Granted we live in a flyover state.  It just intriguing to find out if someone has a compelling reason to vote for Hillary other than hating Trump.     

It appears you won't find it on this board. 
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Ok, I'll bite. I am certainly voting against Trump but I am also voting for Hillary. There is no one on the Republican side that I would have voted for over her. I am fed up with the complete failure that is supply side economics and everyone running for the GOP treats it as if it is the gospel handed down from God himself. Until the right abandons that, I will never vote Republican (unless a Trump of the left shows up one day).

To be sure, I have problems with Clinton. I don't know that she's done anything straight up illegal but there sure is some shady stuff on her resume. Like others have said, she has some dirt on her hands but it's not really anything outside of what is normal in the field. She and Bill have certainly used their position to enrich themselves but if that disqualified her from the Presidency, then we wouldn't have anybody clean enough to run.

She's a policy wonk, which I place a lot of importance on. I don't think "going with your gut" is a way to run the most powerful country on the planet. I think she is open to compromise but I don't think she'll have the naivety that Obama had in his first year with the idea that if you just reach out to the other side, surely they'll work with you because that's the way our government was intended to work. I also think she genuinely cares about people, and not just rich white guys. While she has made some questionable decisions, I think overall she is level-headed.

I don't like the ties to Wall Street and I worry that she's too interventionist but I'm pretty sure that there will never be a candidate that I agree with on everything.

 
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honky kong said:
Ok, I'll bite. I am certainly voting against Trump but I am also voting for Hillary. There is no one on the Republican side that I would have voted for over her. I am fed up with the complete failure that is supply side economics and everyone running for the GOP treats it as if it is the gospel handed down from God himself. Until the right abandons that, I will never vote Republican (unless a Trump of the left shows up one day).

To be sure, I have problems with Clinton. I don't know that she's done anything straight up illegal but there sure is some shady stuff on her resume. Like others have said, she has some dirt on her hands but it's not really anything outside of what is normal in the field. She and Bill have certainly used there position to enrich themselves but if that disqualified her from the Presidency, then we wouldn't have anybody clean enough to run.

She's a policy wonk, which I place a lot of importance on. I don't think "going with your gut" is a way to run the most powerful country on the planet. I think she is open to compromise but I don't think she'll have the naivety that Obama had in his first year with the idea that if you just reach out to the other side, surely they'll work with you because that's the way our government was intended to work. I also think she genuinely cares about people, and not just rich white guys. While she has made some questionable decisions, I think overall she is level-headed.

I don't like the ties to Wall Street and I worry that she's too interventionist but I'm pretty sure that there will never be a candidate that I agree with on everything.
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Great post. 

I think everything shady connected to Hillary has to do with her paranoia (well-justifiied, IMO) about her political enemies. This is a regrettable tendency, one that I wish she didn't have, but it says nothing about her ability to govern. 

 
massraider said:
He's not planning anything, he's coming up with excuses in his brain for why polls might not favor him.

The first thing that occurs to him, he thinks must be so, because he cannot imagine being incorrect.  

So he imagines something might be rigged, he spits it out without considering if it's possible or likely, and people cheer, confirming to himself that what he said is so.

You can see him make #### up on the spot, and convince himself this new idea is correct as he says it.

Anyone pull up the video from when this bonehead said Hillary and Obama co-founded Isis?  Watch that video.  You can see it come out of his mouth, he considers it for a millisecond, and you can see him confirming to himself, yeah, yeah that's right, they co-founded Isis.  

He's not planning anything ahead beyond three seconds ahead.  Because he's too stupid.
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Again, I understand and vividly can see him doing exactly what you are saying...he's brilliant that he makes you think he can just ad lib it all. 

Actually I think once again I can see exactly what Trump is doing, might be exactly as you describe, and the very thing that enrages you is what attracts people to him. The exact thing you are talking about where he is Mr Ad Lib. 

He's +2 but here Trump is -14, it just is whatever you all want it to be in here because nobody listens to a word the other is trying to say.

I did want to recognize the post because you do a much better job of explaining your view and how it relates and I think it's fan-fk'in-tastic that you recognize what Trump did in the video, very few have verbalized that, it's a good take. Just wish that guy would hang out more and not be so ready to tear into everyone.

Why did the emoticons disappear on me?... 

 
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sho nuff said:
The reasons people hate Trump is why people are voting for him?

So, people are supporting him because he is a childish insulting tiny man who has zero clue about the issues?  Those seems like strange reasons to pick a President.
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I'm simply stating Sho as I have since last summer almost that folks are voting for him 4 the very reasons some are voting against him. That's nothing new or unique to politics, I'm just saying what some are shouting as bad behavior and everything that falls under the umbrella, to some folks that feels like the "PC Police" and there are folks voting for Trump on this very issue alone much to the chagrin of many. 

 
Ministry of Pain said:
I'm simply stating Sho as I have since last summer almost that folks are voting for him 4 the very reasons some are voting against him. That's nothing new or unique to politics, I'm just saying what some are shouting as bad behavior and everything that falls under the umbrella, to some folks that feels like the "PC Police" and there are folks voting for Trump on this very issue alone much to the chagrin of many. 
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"He doesn't have a freaking clue about anything, but I'm voting for him because he's an offensive a$$hole. Why doesn't anyone take Trump voters seriously?"

 
 
Coeur de Lion said:
"He doesn't have a freaking clue about anything, but I'm voting for him because he's an offensive a$$hole. Why doesn't anyone take Trump voters seriously?"
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This is exactly what happened with Brexit - people woke up the next day and realized how much they ####ed up.

 
cstu said:
It's awful that we have a guy running for President who tweets regarding book releases about himself but even worse how idiotic his tweets are.
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At least he has never been careless with national security information - and I am being generous!

 
cstu said:
This is exactly what happened with Brexit - people woke up the next day and realized how much they ####ed up.
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You got that right:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-news-second-eu-referendum-leave-voters-regret-bregret-choice-in-millions-a7113336.html

Brexit research suggests 1.2 million Leave voters regret their choice in reversal that could change result

The research suggests that if a second referendum were held, the vote would be much closer

Up to 7 per cent of the people who voted for a Brexit in the EU referendum now regret their choice, new research has found.

When the survey’s findings are projected on to last week’s vote, they would cut the Leave share by 1.2 million, almost wiping out the majority that gave Friday's shock result.

Research by Opinium found that 3 per cent of those who voted Remain also regretted their choice and that British people are now divided on the priorities in the negotiations ahead.

More than half of those surveyed also felt both the UK’s economy and position in the world had worsened, but almost one in 10 said they did not believe the Brexit would be implemented.

The findings came after some voters expressed “Bregret” over their choice following the immediate impact markets and U-turns on Leave campaign pledges including the promise to spend £350 million a week on the NHS.

“I wish we had the opportunity to vote again,” Leave voter Mandy Suthi said, adding that she was “very disappointed”.

“I personally voted leave believing these lies, and I regret it more than anything, I feel genuinely robbed of my vote,” wrote Khembe Gibbons, a lifeguard from Bury St Edmunds in Suffolk,

A voter who gave his name as Adam told the BBC he would have changed his pro-Brexit vote if he knew the short-term consequences it would have for the UK economy.

"I'm shocked that we voted for Leave, I didn't think that was going to happen,” he said. “I didn't think my vote was going to matter too much because I thought we were just going to remain."

More than 4 million people have signed a petition calling for a second EU referendum but the Government has ruled out another vote on the issue, dubbed a “neverendum” by David Cameron

 
badmojo1006 said:
Your like of posts is what gives it away. dfsguy? Em? jon_mx?
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Wow, I think I liked one post, maybe two or three at most?  Do you seriously track who likes which posts?

I have no idea who any of the people you listed are!  Tonight is the first time I ever read a single thing on this thread.  But still since you are in an accusatory mode - what exactly is incorrect about my statement?

 
squistion said:
You got that right:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-news-second-eu-referendum-leave-voters-regret-bregret-choice-in-millions-a7113336.html

Brexit research suggests 1.2 million Leave voters regret their choice in reversal that could change result

The research suggests that if a second referendum were held, the vote would be much closer

Up to 7 per cent of the people who voted for a Brexit in the EU referendum now regret their choice, new research has found.

When the survey’s findings are projected on to last week’s vote, they would cut the Leave share by 1.2 million, almost wiping out the majority that gave Friday's shock result.

Research by Opinium found that 3 per cent of those who voted Remain also regretted their choice and that British people are now divided on the priorities in the negotiations ahead.

More than half of those surveyed also felt both the UK’s economy and position in the world had worsened, but almost one in 10 said they did not believe the Brexit would be implemented.

The findings came after some voters expressed “Bregret” over their choice following the immediate impact markets and U-turns on Leave campaign pledges including the promise to spend £350 million a week on the NHS.

“I wish we had the opportunity to vote again,” Leave voter Mandy Suthi said, adding that she was “very disappointed”.

“I personally voted leave believing these lies, and I regret it more than anything, I feel genuinely robbed of my vote,” wrote Khembe Gibbons, a lifeguard from Bury St Edmunds in Suffolk,

A voter who gave his name as Adam told the BBC he would have changed his pro-Brexit vote if he knew the short-term consequences it would have for the UK economy.

"I'm shocked that we voted for Leave, I didn't think that was going to happen,” he said. “I didn't think my vote was going to matter too much because I thought we were just going to remain."

More than 4 million people have signed a petition calling for a second EU referendum but the Government has ruled out another vote on the issue, dubbed a “neverendum” by David Cameron
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Ha, ha - "up to 7 percent" you know that that is called - unscientific! 

Has it occurred to you that some who voted stay regret their votes as well?  Has it occurred to you that the organizations producing 'research' showing "up to 7 percent" are the same organizations that supported 'stay'?  And the 4 million who signed the petition all voted 'stay'? 

The UK voted, leave was the result - accept it or throw out democracy!

 
Jaws71 said:
Ha, ha - "up to 7 percent" you know that that is called - unscientific! 

Has it occurred to you that some who voted stay regret their votes as well?  Has it occurred to you that the organizations producing 'research' showing "up to 7 percent" are the same organizations that supported 'stay'?  And the 4 million who signed the petition all voted 'stay'? 

The UK voted, leave was the result - accept it or throw out democracy!
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Crawl under the rock of your banned alias.

 
Coeur de Lion said:
"He doesn't have a freaking clue about anything, but I'm voting for him because he's an offensive a$$hole."
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We're making progress. I never said it was a quality reason to vote for him or anyone but you need to understand the mindset of these voters or the unthinkable might just happen. 

It feels disingenuous IMO. 

Don't shoot! I'm just the messenger. 

 
squistion said:
Crawl under the rock of your banned alias.
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Another one!  Which alias would that be!  What is your evidence.  I am not one to report other's posts, but, after mere hours on this thread I can see how tempting it is to go off and have a bunch of folks who cannot tolerate dissent report me!

 
Ministry of Pain said:
So then you think Trump has Brexit 2.0 potential?

A week or two ago as the DNC wrapped up this race was all but over I was told...
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Absolutely I think so.  I am not in the least a fan of his but I fully intend to vote for him because Hillary is detrimental to my interests.  My belief is that the NRA will convince enough blue collar white male traditional Dem voters to pick Trump simply to avoid Hillary. 

 
Jaws71 said:
Another one!  Which alias would that be!  What is your evidence.  I am not one to report other's posts, but, after mere hours on this thread I can see how tempting it is to go off and have a bunch of folks who cannot tolerate dissent report me!
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Talking about reporting people?  Must be Em!!

Having to go to an Alias after getting your butt handed to you in this thread?!  SAD!

 
Ministry of Pain said:
We're making progress. I never said it was a quality reason to vote for him or anyone but you need to understand the mindset of these voters or the unthinkable might just happen. 

It feels disingenuous IMO. 

Don't shoot! I'm just the messenger. 
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He's not going to win. He's not going to come remotely close. And of course the cretins, bigots, and assorted toothless trailer trash are voting for him, and doing so because he's a racist a$$hole. And of course the rest of the country will dismiss his supporters as uneducated bigoted fools. Because they are.

 
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Jaws71 said:
Absolutely I think so.  I am not in the least a fan of his but I fully intend to vote for him because Hillary is detrimental to my interests.  My belief is that the NRA will convince enough blue collar white male traditional Dem voters to pick Trump simply to avoid Hillary. 
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:lmao:

 
Ministry of Pain said:
I'm simply stating Sho as I have since last summer almost that folks are voting for him 4 the very reasons some are voting against him. That's nothing new or unique to politics, I'm just saying what some are shouting as bad behavior and everything that falls under the umbrella, to some folks that feels like the "PC Police" and there are folks voting for Trump on this very issue alone much to the chagrin of many. 
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And im stating that the PC excuse is a bogus one.  Its not that its not PC to act as he does...its him being a childish #######.  Not a redeeming quality for a President.  Boting for him because of that is why many mock some Trump supporters as lacking intelligence.  And rightfully si.

 
Jaws71 said:
Another one!  Which alias would that be!  What is your evidence.  I am not one to report other's posts, but, after mere hours on this thread I can see how tempting it is to go off and have a bunch of folks who cannot tolerate dissent report me!
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Please. Some dormant account started years ago that suddenly goes into a posting frenzy.  Just like Higgs, who later admitted he was General Tso. Don't know who you are, but quit pretending you have been lurking here for years and just now started posting as that insults our intelligence.

 
Have not been lurking - never so much as looked at this thread until tonight.  What insults intelligence is people who make accusations without a shred of supporting evidence.  Anything at all, most people have pretty unique speech patterns - those tend to carry over to written statements as well.  Can you provide a quote from one of your 'banned posters' that matches the style I use?  Don't bother to answer I know that the answer is no.  Believe it or not there are more than three people in the universe that disagree with your opinion, instead of a knee-jerk negative response, perhaps a little critical thinking is in order.  By the way, I wonder how those folks got banned?  Now I have no idea what they posted, maybe it really was bad - but - based on the derision you have spewed toward my innocuous posts, who knows.

 
rodg12 said:
Talking about reporting people?  Must be Em!!

Having to go to an Alias after getting your butt handed to you in this thread?!  SAD!
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Handed to me by whom?  I am talking about reporting people because the response to my post is accusing me of being banned - people get banned when they are reported!  No one has offered a counterpoint to my accusation of Hillary being careless with classified information - probably because there is no counterpoint. 

 
Jaws71 said:
Handed to me by whom?  I am talking about reporting people because the response to my post is accusing me of being banned - people get banned when they are reported!  No one has offered a counterpoint to my accusation of Hillary being careless with classified information - probably because there is no counterpoint. 
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LOL.  Thanks for confirming you're Em.  You can't even Alias right.  :lmao:

 
Jaws71 said:
Absolutely I think so.  I am not in the least a fan of his but I fully intend to vote for him because Hillary is detrimental to my interests.  My belief is that the NRA will convince enough blue collar white male traditional Dem voters to pick Trump simply to avoid Hillary. 
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How is Hillary detrimental to your interests? Please explain. 

 
Coeur de Lion said:
:lmao:
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Again, no substance!  Hillary is more likely to push for a ban on the most commonly used sporting rifle in the US (granted that would be in my financial interests but not my personal interests), Hillary is more likely to raise my taxes and finally Hillary is less likely to pursue a Teddy Roosevelt type foreign policy. 

If you are capable I would love to see a counterpoint to any of my positions.

 
timschochet said:
How is Hillary detrimental to your interests? Please explain. 
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Just did this for someone else but I will repeat for you - because I care.

More likely to push for a ban on the most commonly used sporting rifle in the US

More likely to raise my taxes

Less likely to pursue an aggressive foreign policy

 
Ignoramus said:
I know a lot of people that cannot stand her, so I'm curious what makes you vote for Trump other than hating Hillary?  
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Our system is broken. The two parties take their constituents for granted.  On both sides they treat everyone like market segments and tailor their message accordingly. Both cater to the extremes and leave the middle without a voice.  Most of us are social moderates and fiscal conservatives.  The media is all about ratings so they love to rile up the fringes. No matter the dynamics of our system we are stuck in gridlock. We need an outside voice or a shock to the system of both democrats and republicans.  The one thing they can agree on is putting roadblocks out at the state level to thwart viable 3rd parties 

We are fortunate to live in about the only country in the world that can have a revolution without ever firing a shot but we are stuck with this eternal Tom and Jerry cartoon.

The best hope is Johnson gets a shot at getting heard, but he won't make the debates.  Trump is the next best bet. He is outside the Republican power structure.  If he wins the whole career politician dynamic is in jeopardy.  He is a threat to the establishment in his party.  That's a good thing.  

Hillary brings nothing to the table.  She's not going to fix anything.  She has no charisma and is polarizing.  Gridlock will be worse than ever as she will think she has a mandate to go after things like gun control rather than more important non polarizing issues.

 
Jaws71 said:
Again, no substance!  Hillary is more likely to push for a ban on the most commonly used sporting rifle in the US (granted that would be in my financial interests but not my personal interests), Hillary is more likely to raise my taxes and finally Hillary is less likely to pursue a Teddy Roosevelt type foreign policy. 

If you are capable I would love to see a counterpoint to any of my positions.
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First, please clarify: 

1. Which rifle are you referring to? 

2. How much do you earn? Over $200,000 a year? 

3. What aspects of Teddy Roosevelt's foreign policy do you like and how would you personally apply his principles to our current state of international affairs? 

 
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