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Official Donald Trump for President thread (4 Viewers)

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msommer said:
Aren't you the one that keeps bringing up labor force participation as a bad thing?
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Declining labor force participation is a bad thing.

the thing is that technology may lighten the workload, but the extra leisure is allocated to those automated out of the labor force...

 
msommer said:
Nostalgia for a period past is not a solution. The demographics and engineering booms that came out of WWII cannot be recreated. 

So, where do we go from here?
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I'd like to see corporations scale back executive pay and instead give the rank-and-file significant raises.  I work for one of the largest banks in the world and for some reason,  annual salary increases have been capped at 3% per department for at least the last 8 years,  despite record-breaking profits almost every quarter. 

In a perfect world the company would realize that increasing your workers' pay is a net positive,  however this is far from a perfect world.  So maybe some sort of legislation that says a company has to put 15% of its profit into its employees pockets.

Yes,  I just pulled that number of of my ###.  Could be 5%. Just something forcing companies to give employees a better salary. 

 
MikeIke said:
I'd like to see corporations scale back executive pay and instead give the rank-and-file significant raises.  I work for one of the largest banks in the world and for some reason,  annual salary increases have been capped at 3% per department for at least the last 8 years,  despite record-breaking profits almost every quarter. 

In a perfect world the company would realize that increasing your workers' pay is a net positive,  however this is far from a perfect world.  So maybe some sort of legislation that says a company has to put 15% of its profit into its employees pockets.

Yes,  I just pulled that number of of my ###.  Could be 5%. Just something forcing companies to give employees a better salary. 
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I recommend Porter and Kramer's 2011 article "Creating Shared Value" which is similar in some ways to Elkington's "Triple Bottom Line" (which is also interesting) for inspiration

 
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HellToupee said:
But yet somehow families didn't need 2 incomes. Now electronics/cellphones etc play a part . It would be interesting to see a financial breakdown of life then and now . It's cool how most guys wore suits everyday . 
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Yeah, didn't cost much to pay for that 20" black and white TV that got 3 channels (although one of those had a lot of snow), 1 car per family, 1 telephone with a rotary dial, canned veggies, and coal for the furnace.  Didn't need any fancy electronics because that swell am radio provided all the music, sports and news we could use. Nobody needed a college education, so we didn't have to worry about paying for that. Also didn't need to worry about any IRA or 401k deductions, because social security would give you enough income between the ages of 62 and 68-70 when you died.  Those were the good old days.

 
badmojo1006 said:
Trump, shifting back, now says no legal status for all 11 million illegal immigrants

I am really confused as to what his immigration policy is. And I think he doesn't know either. 
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Shifting positions so fast you're head is spinning!

Here's what's happening: he floating test balloons to see the response. He floats the idea of no deportation force/allowing some to stay/providing legal status (aka amnesty), many of his supporters go ape#### so he has to float another balloon. That's true leadership right there.

 
3C's said:
Shifting positions so fast you're head is spinning!

Here's what's happening: he floating test balloons to see the response. He floats the idea of no deportation force/allowing some to stay/providing legal status (aka amnesty), many of his supporters go ape#### so he has to float another balloon. That's true leadership right there.
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I think it's more that he cannot speak to anything in depth for more than a few phrases before he starts ####### it up. He's pretty bad speaker. 

Reading his speeches is good stuff. Sounds like a little kid.

 
MikeIke said:
I'd like to see corporations scale back executive pay and instead give the rank-and-file significant raises.  I work for one of the largest banks in the world and for some reason,  annual salary increases have been capped at 3% per department for at least the last 8 years,  despite record-breaking profits almost every quarter. 

In a perfect world the company would realize that increasing your workers' pay is a net positive,  however this is far from a perfect world.  So maybe some sort of legislation that says a company has to put 15% of its profit into its employees pockets.

Yes,  I just pulled that number of of my ###.  Could be 5%. Just something forcing companies to give employees a better salary. 
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I hear ya, but when recession hits next year will the workers work for free if the company is losing money?

 
The General said:
I think it's more that he cannot speak to anything in depth for more than a few phrases before he starts ####### it up. He's pretty bad speaker. 

Reading his speeches is good stuff. Sounds like a little kid.
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Have to admit it's been a good run for coming off the couch for some publicity and shooting from the hip to beat a herd of clueless Republicans that don't realize it's not 1982. He's friends with the Clintons, this is a joke to him at this point. 

 
GoBirds said:
I hear ya, but when recession hits next year will the workers work for free if the company is losing money?
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My company (rhymes with shmay pee shmorgan shmase)  is in no danger of losing money,  especially if Hillary is elected. I want to see them send some of that money to the people that do the actual work.  I assume it's the same across the board when you're talking about multi-national conglomerates with trillions in assets. 

 
MikeIke said:
My company (rhymes with shmay pee shmorgan shmase)  is in no danger of losing money,  especially if Hillary is elected. I want to see them send some of that money to the people that do the actual work.  I assume it's the same across the board when you're talking about multi-national conglomerates with trillions in assets. 
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I agree, it would be the right thing to do. Won't happen, wall street is still corrupt. Wasn't Obama going to crack down on this? Guys running the show stuff their pockets with cash and just worry about beating quarterly expectations and watch their net worth skyrocket. 

 
JuniorNB said:
His target base in the primaries wanted all 11 million of them deported, so that was his policy. Now that he realizes that the left and middle don't agree, he's done a 180. Oh, and he likes blacks now.
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This is the best part, Trump is likely indifferent on the issue of immigration. He probably doesn't think about it until it comes time to pander. 

 
JuniorNB said:
His target base in the primaries wanted all 11 million of them deported, so that was his policy. Now that he realizes that the left and middle don't agree, he's done a 180.  Oh, and he likes blacks now. 
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You're one step behind Herr Orangemeister. He knew the left and middle didn't agree,  so he softened his stance.  But that angered the true faithful,  so he hardened it again.  He's all about saying what his people want to hear.  He doesn't believe in anything other than what makes him more popular at the given moment. 

 
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On CNN, Trump Denies The Existence Of The "Alt-Right"

ANDERSON COOPER (HOST): Are you embracing the Alt-Right movement? 

DONALD TRUMP: I don't even know -- nobody even knows what it is. And she didn't know what it was. This is a term that was just given that -- frankly, there's no alt-right or alt-left. All I'm embracing is common sense.

COOPER: Well Steve Bannon did say Breitbart is sort of the voice of the alt-right movement. 

TRUMP: I don't know what Steve said. All I can tell you -- I can only speak for myself.
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MikeIke said:
My company (rhymes with shmay pee shmorgan shmase)  is in no danger of losing money,  especially if Hillary is elected. I want to see them send some of that money to the people that do the actual work.  I assume it's the same across the board when you're talking about multi-national conglomerates with trillions in assets. 
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the free market answer is that if you aren't happy with your compensation, you are free to find another job that can pay you more.

I don't like it either, but your company will pay you market rate and not a penny more  If they paid more than that, they wouldn't be fulfilling their responsibilities to their stake-holders and may be less competitive on the international scene.

 
MikeIke said:
That's because unions were strong,  and average Joes got paid a wage that could support a family.  CEO's and executives didn't make hundreds of times what their employees did. Many people were getting free college from the GI bill,  rather than going hundreds of thousands in debt to get a degree. 

When the middle class is strong,  as opposed to the 1%, the country is better off for it. 
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And trade agreements weren't creating that giant sucking sound.

 
HellToupee said:
nice delete
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You should have deleted this:

      On ‎8‎/‎5‎/‎2016 at 8:17 AM, HellToupee said:

Listen up you insufferable bastards and listen good , screw , beat it . Go to the other thread that your ilk turned into a cesspool. We don't want or need the lack of insightful intellectual conversation that you bring. Everything negative, negative, negative. So please piss in someone else's Cheerios . Thank you
 
moleculo said:
the free market answer is that if you aren't happy with your compensation, you are free to find another job that can pay you more.

I don't like it either, but your company will pay you market rate and not a penny more  If they paid more than that, they wouldn't be fulfilling their responsibilities to their stake-holders and may be less competitive on the international scene.
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Believe it or not, some companies understand that motivated, happy employees are actually an integral component in creating shareholder wealth and whatever increased cost are incurred due to higher salaries can and is offset by productivity and innovation.

And your argument does not apply at all to the executive suite since the board's set executive compensation and that world operates like anything but a free market. 

 
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James Daulton said:
Believe it or not, some companies understand that motivated, happy employees are actually an integral component in creating shareholder wealth and whatever increased cost are incurred due to higher salaries can and is offset by productivity and innovation.

And your argument does not apply at all to the executive suite since the board's set executive compensation and that world operates like anything but a free market. 
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nah, executive compensation is still a free market...except it's a small group of people who have figured out a way to rig the free market in their favor.  If a market is truly free of government control, there will be people who cheat the system to their advantage...it's inevitable.

corporate governance is a big issue for me.  I don't know all of the ins and outs of it, but what I do know stinks.  The whole damn system of how publicly traded companies operate is just terrible.  That's why I was a Bernie supporter - he was the only guy who could talk about corporate reform while maintaining a shred of dignity.  With the bozos we have now - well, I guess we will have to wait another 4 years to hope for some meaningful reform.

 
Some interesting thoughts from Nate Silver this morning. I think it was Tobias that has been banging the drum about state polls not squaring with national polls (sorry if I've got the wrong poster- my notebook sucks.)

Clinton’s generally underperforming Obama in the Northeast, including in Maine, Connecticut, New York, New Jersey and Vermont. She’s running slightly ahead of him in California, however, and perhaps more surprisingly — given that it was Obama’s home state — well ahead of him in Illinois. Although, note that Clinton was born in Chicago. Overall, weighted by each state’s 2012 turnout, she’s running about half a percentage point behind Obama in these states. So perhaps there’s something to the notion that Clinton’s underperformance in blue states can help explain some of the seeming differences between state and national polls.

But I wouldn’t take this too far. The relative lack of polling in these states means that the data is noisy. It doesn’t make a lot of sense that Clinton is outperforming Obama in Washington but underperforming him in Oregon, for instance, as polls suggest. In some cases, the polls don’t match the demographics of the states very well either. Our polls-only model “thinks” that Clinton should be ahead in New Mexico by about 14 points, for example, based on the patterns it’s seeing in other states, and not just by 9.
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Full article here: http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/election-update-the-blue-state-polling-abyss/

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
It's possible IRL Trump has no idea who these people are even as they are hero worshipping him.
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This had not occurred to me but makes a ton of sense. He is a terrible human being to be sure but if you told me he had no idea what Breitbart.com was a year ago, and that he had no idea how awful they were until Clinton read those headlines yesterday- I would believe it.
 
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This had not occurred to me but makes a ton of sense. He is a terrible human being to be sure but if you told me he had no idea what Breitbart.com was a year ago, and that he had no idea how awful they were until Clinton read those headlines yesterday- I would believe it.
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I wouldn't.  trump has been in the political sphere for quite a while.  He considered running in 2008, he was a potential VP for bush in 1988.  He has been publicly commenting on politics for quite a while. 

It's not like he has been apolitical until 2015.  He knows what he is doing.

 
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