But he's never settled any of the 3,500 lawsuits right?Trump has been involved in 3500 lawsuits. That is one every three days, weekends and holidays included, for 30 years.
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SaintsInDome2006
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The General
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MikeIke
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SaintsInDome2006
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3C's
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SaintsInDome2006
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The General
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Rove!
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It sounds like a statement about how people vote....a cynical statement on the racial mindset of the electorate...
ETA: Can one of the "Trump's not a racist you liberal trash saying everyone is racist" people explain how this is not?
badmojo1006
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Can't decide if the meme should be "I'll flip flop so fast your head will spin" or "I've got the best flip flops".
cstu
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cobalt_27
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Leeroy Jenkins
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Cnn had him ahead?!
Media not demanding his tax returns at every chance and not focusing on this pay for play that there actually is evidence for in florida and Texas is a joke. They clearly just want a horse race and dont care about the country.
Media not demanding his tax returns at every chance and not focusing on this pay for play that there actually is evidence for in florida and Texas is a joke. They clearly just want a horse race and dont care about the country.
3C's
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randall146
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He won't come out and say it for some reason but if you listen closely I think you can piece together a single consistent immigration plan out of his various vague statements:
1) Build a wall, hire more ICE guys, and otherwise tighten up on the flow of illegal and legal immigrants
2) Deport "the bad ones" ranging from convicted criminals to the unemployed
3) Allow "the good ones" to either stay under legal, but non-path-to-citizenship status. They have to work and pay taxes. They have reduced access to benefits.
4) "Good ones" who want to qualify for citizenship have to voluntarily remove themselves, then apply for re-entry, then get become the legal workers listed above, but with a path-to-citizenship
I know people are saying he is flip-flopping on mass deportation/amnesty/citizenship but I think he's just been very careful about parsing his words.
I'm also open to the possibility that he's making it up as he goes along and I'm just giving him a benefit of the doubt he hasn't earned
1) Build a wall, hire more ICE guys, and otherwise tighten up on the flow of illegal and legal immigrants
2) Deport "the bad ones" ranging from convicted criminals to the unemployed
3) Allow "the good ones" to either stay under legal, but non-path-to-citizenship status. They have to work and pay taxes. They have reduced access to benefits.
4) "Good ones" who want to qualify for citizenship have to voluntarily remove themselves, then apply for re-entry, then get become the legal workers listed above, but with a path-to-citizenship
I know people are saying he is flip-flopping on mass deportation/amnesty/citizenship but I think he's just been very careful about parsing his words.
I'm also open to the possibility that he's making it up as he goes along and I'm just giving him a benefit of the doubt he hasn't earned
SaintsInDome2006
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How is this different from the Obama/Gang of 8 plan except less than half as many extra border patrol agents and 'wall' instead of virtual border tools like drones and electronic surveillance?
That's not a flip flop, that's a full-on belly flop off the Olympic high dive.
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timschochet
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IMO by focusing on the "flip-flop" we're all losing sight of how terrible Trump's proposals are:
1. Even if he lets 9 million undocumented stay here, he's still talking about removing 2 million people who are supposedly criminals in what would be a bureaucratic nightmare, almost certainly involve violating the Constitution, and cost untold billions.
2. He wants to restrict LEGAL immigration to those with "proper ideology" and "economic means"- in both cases a violation of of American ideals and Emma's poem.
3. There's still the wall- an unnecessary and ridiculous boondoggle, a symbol to the world of fear and xenophobia, and a disaster for our economy.
1. Even if he lets 9 million undocumented stay here, he's still talking about removing 2 million people who are supposedly criminals in what would be a bureaucratic nightmare, almost certainly involve violating the Constitution, and cost untold billions.
2. He wants to restrict LEGAL immigration to those with "proper ideology" and "economic means"- in both cases a violation of of American ideals and Emma's poem.
3. There's still the wall- an unnecessary and ridiculous boondoggle, a symbol to the world of fear and xenophobia, and a disaster for our economy.
SaintsInDome2006
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Very true; he will be coming back to New York after an embarrassing loss to the 2nd worst candidate for POTUS I've ever seen.
SaintsInDome2006
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To the Trump Cave, Robin! Time to attack a Republican or maybe say something ginormously stupid!
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The General
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The Chinese creating global warming is one of my favorites
Amazing how big of a moron he is.
Leeroy Jenkins
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Citizens United guy is now deputy campaign manager for Trump?!
wake up people!
wake up people!
knowledge dropper
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Trump leads in latest CNN poll? Who would have thought there were so many "bigots" out there?
They better get HRC out of her cryogenic chamber and campaigning soon.
They better get HRC out of her cryogenic chamber and campaigning soon.
Joe Summer
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Not every Trump supporter is a bigot, but every bigot is a Trump supporter.
squistion
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Yes, but it based on likely voters. Nate Silver's take on this:
Nate Silver
People spend too much time scrutinizing "skewed" samples. But they don't scrutinize likely voter models enough.
Nate Silver
Likely voter models are (i) almost totally up to the discretion of the pollster and (ii) many of them are badly designed.
Leeroy Jenkins
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Really makes me question CNN's integrity. Where else can I watch for news/politics whose stories are not ratings based only?
cstu
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The General
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I thought we had a media bias. What is with all this CNN talk?
cstu
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The General
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Without watching that of course he did.
This is just one of the many, many things to throw on the pile of stupid that is donald.
Coeur de Lion
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Watch? Not so much. But NPR is the best US source via radio and innerwebs for unbiasied political coverage.
SaintsInDome2006
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CNN just hires a company that does its thing.
Everyone should stop btching about the makeup of the polls, throw it in the salad and see what shakes out.
People should also not worry even if Trump takes a lead - he has no ground game, no advertising, no data operation and almost no serious campaign offices. The Democrats will be driving people to the polls like Wagon Train, and Trump will be yelling 'rigged' at the top of his lungs while doing absolutely nothing to win an election.
IMO on election day this gives the Dems maybe a 3-5+ point HFA on whatever Trump does manage to do.
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SaintsInDome2006
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themeanmachine
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I'd like to believe that this matters, but I'm not sure it does. So much of the conventional wisdom has been wrong already.
Joe Summer
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Remember that "The Wall" was just one of dozens of random things that Trump cited when he kicked off his campaign in 2015. It didn't become his centerpiece until he noticed all of the positive feedback for it. He probably would have campaigned on Birtherism in 2016 if his followers had reacted enthusiastically to it.
massraider
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I would assume Trump was lying anytime I heard him use the word 'research'.
Coeur de Lion
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The General
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That is probably one of the few things that makes building the wall sound not so dumb.
The General
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timschochet
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I don't think it's a bad thing that the polls are showing it close. If Hillary was running away with it some of her supporters might be less motivated to vote. This way everybody stays energized.
Courtjester
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And I am telling you that's exactly why CNN is doing this. They need their base to stay interested.
This and ratings of course.
the moops
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Leroy Hoard
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That would be awesome. I hope you win your bet.
"If neither candidate gets a majority of the Electoral Votes, the election for President is decided in the House of Representatives, with each state delegation having one vote. Senators would elect the Vice-President."
I'd like to see one party have the prez and the other the VP, that would make things more interesting for sure.
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culdeus
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Same thing happened with Romney. All through September the polls tightened up and 538 tightened up, but by October Obama pulled away as soon as they started weighing people that early voted. I wouldn't be shocked to see the polls track exactly the same way. I can't remember any single event that turned things for Obama in October, but my memory is #### now. The debates were for all intents yawners.
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