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MattFancy said:
The prize’s rules required that the shot had to go 150 yards. But Trump’s course had allegedly made the hole too short."
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I can see the Social Security reform now.

"Oooohhh yes, Mr. Haraldson, yes, you are 65, and you would appear to qualify for your Social Security after 40 years of labor.... but you didn't read the fine print, you must be 6-foot-5 to actually be qualified to receive your benefits. We are soooo sorry. If you have any questions about the rules, please call our Attorney General. Thank you!"

 
Wouldn't it have been cheaper for Trump to just buy insurance for the hole in one shot? What would a policy on this cost? I guess he was just using other peoples money to pay off his lawsuit, but still?

 
Bucky86 said:
Wouldn't it have been cheaper for Trump to just buy insurance for the hole in one shot? What would a policy on this cost? I guess he was just using other peoples money to pay off his lawsuit, but still?
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I'm guessing that's probably what happened.  He bought insurance, but the terms of the insurance included the 150 yard requirement, so it wouldn't pay out.

 
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apalmer said:
That's probably what happened.  He bought insurance, but the terms of the insurance included the 150 yard requirement, so it wouldn't pay out.
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Seems odd to have this issue then? 

 A friend of mine had one of these for a charity event he was putting on and they sent out a representative from the insurance company to measure everything before it started to verify the distance and hole location was correct. I forget what he paid, but the insurance representative was there every step of the way to make sure it was done properly. 

 
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Bucky86 said:
Seems odd to have this issue then? 

 A friend of mine had one of these for a charity event he was putting on and they sent out a representative from the insurance company to measure everything before it started to verify the distance and hole location was correct. I forget what he paid, but the insurance representative was there every step of the way to make sure it was done properly. 
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I wouldn't be surprised if the insurance company measured pre-tournament and it was OK, then went back after notification of a win and re-measured and discovered it had been changed..We're talking Trump, remember?  You can't expect him to keep one position that long.

 
MattFancy said:
Donald Trump's Charity Golf Tournament Was Apparently Rigged, And He Used His Charity's Money To Settle The Lawsuit

"In 2010, a man named Martin Greenberg hit a hole-in-one on the 13th hole while playing in a charity tournament at Trump’s course in Westchester County, N.Y.

Greenberg won a $1 million prize. Briefly.

Later, Greenberg was told that he had won nothing. The prize’s rules required that the shot had to go 150 yards. But Trump’s course had allegedly made the hole too short."
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A golf tournament with a hole in one prize that is substantial gets hole in one insurance.  The insurance company sets the parameters & rules for the hole in one.  The course or owner of the golf course has not much input except how much he is willing to pay for the premium.   From there, the insurance company sets the standards.  Oh, and one more small detail.  The insurance company pays the prize, not the owner.

 
irishidiot said:
A golf tournament with a hole in one prize that is substantial gets hole in one insurance.  The insurance company sets the parameters & rules for the hole in one.  The course or owner of the golf course has not much input except how much he is willing to pay for the premium.   From there, the insurance company sets the standards.  Oh, and one more small detail.  The insurance company pays the prize, not the owner.
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Is that known to have happened in this particular case? If it did, why was there anything for Trump to settle?

 
irishidiot said:
A golf tournament with a hole in one prize that is substantial gets hole in one insurance.  The insurance company sets the parameters & rules for the hole in one.  The course or owner of the golf course has not much input except how much he is willing to pay for the premium.   From there, the insurance company sets the standards.  Oh, and one more small detail.  The insurance company pays the prize, not the owner.
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Thanks!  I figured that was the case, but didn't have up-close experience on that one.  Most of those big prizes for fan games at sporting events, like when a spectator is pulled from the stands and can win x-amount of dollars if they make a shot from halfcourt during a timeout, are insured in a similar fashion.  Sponsor brands are encouraged to take out insurance on events like that so they have a fixed cost whether the shot is made or not, reducing incentive to tip the scales.  

 
I missed the hullabaloo around the NYC/Jersey bombings.  Did all the Trumpets come out crowing about how Donald will make all the bad men go away?

 
In the "tell me something I didn't already know dept" Penn Jillette says: " I think he doesn't really have strong convictions and sense of right and wrong. He's not really, really smart. He's not stupid, you know. He's not a dumb guy, but he's not smart like presidents are smart."

Also: "However bad you think he is, he's worse! "

Also, also, he's not a fan of Clinton either but would vote for her "if needed". Like many of us.

http://reason.com/archives/2016/08/02/penn-jillette-on-libertarianism-election/

The Trump stuff starts on page 2 but picks up on page 3. No shock that Trump went the spoiled brat route when Penn said he would not support Trump for prez. "You're fired!" Followed later by a lovely Trumptweet (r)

 
honky kong said:
Is that known to have happened in this particular case? If it did, why was there anything for Trump to settle?
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I don't know & I don't know.  Just know that 99% of substantial hole in one prizes are insured.  "why was there anything for Trump to settle"?  Someone put his name on the complaint.  Settlement, if any was with the insurance company.

 
irishidiot said:
I don't know & I don't know.  Just know that 99% of substantial hole in one prizes are insured.  "why was there anything for Trump to settle"?  Someone put his name on the complaint.  Settlement, if any was with the insurance company.
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Thatr's not how it works I would think. The promise of the hole in one prize is made by the tournament organizer or the resort. They actually have to pay up - then they can claim the insurance money from the insurance policy. I'm sure they can string things along so they never actually are out any money (they send the cheque on straight or issue back to back).

In this case they either deliberately made the hole too short to have an out or one of their greenskeepers had an off day. And likely they described the hole as a 150m or yard or whatever hole even though it ended up being shorter.

 
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How a Russian Fascist Is Meddling in America’s Election


The president of Russia, Vladimir V. Putin, once described the collapse of the Soviet Union as a “geopolitical catastrophe.” But the political thinker who today has the most influence on Mr. Putin’s Russia is not Vladimir Lenin, the founder of the Communist system, but rather Ivan Ilyin, a prophet of Russian fascism.

The brilliant political philosopher has been dead for more than 60 years, but his ideas have found new life in post-Soviet Russia. After 1991, his books were republished with long print runs. President Putin began to cite him in his annual speech to the Federal Assembly, the Russian equivalent of the State of the Union address.

To complete the rehabilitation, Mr. Putin saw to it that Ilyin’s corpse was repatriated from Switzerland, and that his archive was returned from Michigan. The Russian president has been seen laying flowers on Ilyin’s Moscow grave. And Mr. Putin is not the only disciple of Ilyin among the Kremlin elite.

Vladislav Y. Surkov, Moscow’s arch-propagandist, also sees Ilyin as an authority. Prime Minister Dmitri A. Medvedev, who served as president between 2008 and 2012, recommends Ilyin to Russian students. Ilyin figures in the speeches of the foreign minister, the head of the constitutional court and the patriarch of the Orthodox Church.

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While Russian leaders consciously work to hollow out the idea of democracy in their own country, they also seek to discredit democracy abroad — including, this year, in the United States. Russia’s interventions in our presidential elections are not only the opportunistic support of a preferred candidate, Donald J. Trump, who backs Russian foreign policy. They are also the logical projection of the new ideology: Democracy is not a means of changing leadership at home, but a means of weakening enemies abroad. If we see politics as Ilyin did, Russia’s ritualization of elections becomes a virtue rather than a vice. Degrading democracy around the world would be a service to mankind.

If democracy is merely an invitation to foreign influence, then hacking a foreign political party’s email is the most natural thing in the world. If civil society is nothing but the decadent opening of a rotting society to foreign influence, then constant trolling of media is obviously appropriate. If, as Ilyin wrote, the “arithmetical understanding of politics” is harmful, then digital meddling in foreign elections would be just the thing.

For a decade, Russia has been sponsoring right-wing extremists as “election observers” — most recently, in the farcical referendums in the Crimea and in the Donbas region of Ukraine — in order to discredit both elections and their observation. Since democracy is a sham, as Ilyin believed, then it is right and good to imitate its language and procedures in order to discredit it. It is noteworthy that the Trump campaign has now imitated this very practice, supplying both its own private “observers” and the advance conclusion about the fraud they will find.

The technique of undermining democracy abroad is to generate doubt where there had been certainty. If democratic procedures start to seem shambolic, then democratic ideas will seem questionable as well. And so America would become more like Russia, which is the general idea. If Mr. Trump wins, Russia wins. But if Mr. Trump loses and people doubt the outcome, Russia also wins.

From Moscow’s point of view, it is easier to bring down democracy everywhere than it is to hold free, fair elections at home. Russia will seem stronger if other states follow its course of development toward a cynicism about democracy that allows authoritarianism to thrive. So we might as well get used to the interference, and take sensible precautions. It no longer makes sense to carry out elections and regulate campaign finance as if such matters were of no interest to hostile foreign powers.

Americans have plenty of other reasons to reform the democratic process, but protecting their integrity should take priority. ...
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http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/21/opinion/how-a-russian-fascist-is-meddling-in-americas-election.html?_r=1

 
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MattFancy said:
Donald Trump's Charity Golf Tournament Was Apparently Rigged, And He Used His Charity's Money To Settle The Lawsuit

"In 2010, a man named Martin Greenberg hit a hole-in-one on the 13th hole while playing in a charity tournament at Trump’s course in Westchester County, N.Y.

Greenberg won a $1 million prize. Briefly.

Later, Greenberg was told that he had won nothing. The prize’s rules required that the shot had to go 150 yards. But Trump’s course had allegedly made the hole too short."
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This is great. 

 
The president of Russia, Vladimir V. Putin, once described the collapse of the Soviet Union as a “geopolitical catastrophe.”

Saints, the first sentence of that article is very telling. Why does Putin refer to the collapse as a geopolitical catastrophe? Why not, instead call it an ideological catastrophe, as Lenin would have, since it meant the death of Communism in Europe?

The answer is that Putin doesn't care about the ideology of Communism. What he cared about was that, with the fall of the Soviet Union, Russia lost LAND. At the end of World War II, Stalin (who I am guessing Putin reveres) seized most of eastern Europe: Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Poland, Hungary, Bulgaria, Romania, Czechoslovakia, East Germany. The Russians had already seized Ukraine, White Russia, Georgia, Azerbaijan, etc. going back to the Tsarist days. When the Soviet Union collapsed, they lost all of this.

Putin wants it all back.

 
irishidiot said:
A golf tournament with a hole in one prize that is substantial gets hole in one insurance.  The insurance company sets the parameters & rules for the hole in one.  The course or owner of the golf course has not much input except how much he is willing to pay for the premium.   From there, the insurance company sets the standards.  Oh, and one more small detail.  The insurance company pays the prize, not the owner.
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I don't know about any of the particulars but this is funny because it's trump who has a knack for not paying people (or using other people's money to pay his debts or better yet himself).

 
3C's said:
In the "tell me something I didn't already know dept" Penn Jillette says: " I think he doesn't really have strong convictions and sense of right and wrong. He's not really, really smart. He's not stupid, you know. He's not a dumb guy, but he's not smart like presidents are smart."

Also: "However bad you think he is, he's worse! "

Also, also, he's not a fan of Clinton either but would vote for her "if needed". Like many of us.

http://reason.com/archives/2016/08/02/penn-jillette-on-libertarianism-election/

The Trump stuff starts on page 2 but picks up on page 3. No shock that Trump went the spoiled brat route when Penn said he would not support Trump for prez. "You're fired!" Followed later by a lovely Trumptweet (r)
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GILLESPIE: So this is like the Stanford prisoner experiments?

JILLETTE: A little bit, a little bit. More like that than like entertainment. So during that time, I know Donald Trump's lying about a lot of what happens, but I also know that I'm also not correct because everything gets jumbled together. But there was a time when they asked me while I was still on the show if Donald Trump ran for president, if I've support him. And I said absolutely not, and I believe—and this may be the most damning thing you'll hear me say about Trump—I believe I liked him more than anyone else who was on that show. During that time I said I would not support him for president. Now, I get a call instantly—instantly!—from the powers that be, not Trump himself, saying, "No, no, no. You must support him as president." They say "It's going to come down to you and Trace [Adkins], and he's going to want to know that you both support him for president." And I said, "Well, I don't" And they said, "Well, you have to because he's trying to—he's looking at the big picture here." And I go, "We're on a television show."

So, I was told when I said I wouldn't support him for president that I would not win, and if you watch the final show—and don't, why would you—he says, "You're being judge on the quality of your ice cream, the quality of your final presentation, how much ice cream you sold…" He gives a whole list of the criteria. And then he says, "Penn, you did the best ice cream. You did the best—" And he checks them all off that I've won every category. Oh, by the way, Trace wins.

Now, the Walgreens people were very upset by this because they wanted to sell my ice cream and do a whole thing. And NBC was upset by this. They're both so upset as a matter of fact, that they gave money to my charity kind of under the table, so I actually ended up making more for my charity than Trace did.
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He's not someone who when you're having a conversation with him—I probably listened to him talk for, I don't want to exaggerate, but probably eight or nine hours. A monologue of Trump. And I can't think of one thing he said that I went, "Oh yeah!"
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This is a story that is so important to me, you know…Al Franken. I worked with on Saturday Night Live. And we weren't "friends" friends, but I was over at his house a couple of times, you know. I probably knew him personally a little better than I know you. I mean, we're acquaintances but never, never talked for hours. And when Al Franken was running for the Senate, he wrote me an email and said, "Would you support me and would you do a few little things for me to be Senator?" And I wrote back and said, "You know, Al. I liked working with you. You're a good guy, but I disagree with a lot. I'm a libertarian. I can't in good conscience support you. I really don't want you to win. As much as I like you, I disagree." And he wrote back and said, "Well, it's good that you are a libertarian because your ideas will never be tested. But thanks a lot, and hope we cross paths again." And since then, I've bumped into him, "Hello! How are you?"

When Donald Trump was running, I was asked—I believe the first person that asked was Lawrence O'Donnell, who asked me, "You were around Trump? What do you think of his…?" And I said, "You know, I kind of liked him. I thought he was good in the show. I think he has a lot of skill sets for the show, and I think he's a good person to some level. I mean, he's not my favorite person to hang out…But I do not want him to be president. I do not agree with him on everything. I believe he's wrong on everything." Almost precisely what I sent to Al Franken. And his reaction was to start tweeting out how my magic show was awful.
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Damn this Penn and Teller stuff is huge.  Nice job guys. Sacrificing your jam packed lives to obsess over Trump online 24/7 is going to really pay off  :thumbup:

Keep up the good work boys. 

 
RBM said:
Damn this Penn and Teller stuff is huge.  Nice job guys. Sacrificing your jam packed lives to obsess over Trump online 24/7 is going to really pay off  :thumbup:

Keep up the good work boys. 
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Will do. BTW, there was no Teller in that piece. Obviously you didn't read it, not that I expected you to. Some people you just can't reach.

 
irishidiot said:
I don't know & I don't know.  Just know that 99% of substantial hole in one prizes are insured.  "why was there anything for Trump to settle"?  Someone put his name on the complaint.  Settlement, if any was with the insurance company.
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The WaPo article is about the settlement check coming from the Trump Foundation.

 
irishidiot said:
I don't know & I don't know.  Just know that 99% of substantial hole in one prizes are insured.  "why was there anything for Trump to settle"?  Someone put his name on the complaint.  Settlement, if any was with the insurance company.
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But it wasn't. He paid for the settlement through his foundation.

It wouldn't surprise me in the least if it went down like this:

First Trump Guy: "Hey, aren't we supposed to insure this thing?"

Second Trump Guy: "Yeah, but what if we just said it had to be from a certain distance and then made it shorter than that distance? Then nobody could win. There's no way anybody's gonna make it anyway."

FTG: (thinking) "Yeah.....wait..... (thinking some more)... YEAH! That's a great idea!"

STG: "Hey, I'm not Second Trump Guy for nothin'!"

:hifive:

 
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RBM said:
Damn this Penn and Teller stuff is huge.  Nice job guys. Sacrificing your jam packed lives to obsess over Trump online 24/7 is going to really pay off  :thumbup:

Keep up the good work boys. 
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Calling others obsessed works better when you havent spent your own time in here talking about Trump or had to use an alias to get around a suspension because you cant live without posting here. (Or both, in your case)

 
honky kong said:
But it wasn't. He paid for the settlement through his foundation.

It wouldn't surprise me in the least if it went down like this:

First Trump Guy: "Hey, aren't we supposed to insure this thing?"

Second Trump Guy: "Yeah, but what if we just said it had to be from a certain distance and then made it shorter than that distance? Then nobody could win. There's no way anybody's gonna make it anyway."

FTG: (thinking) "Yeah.....wait..... (thinking some more)... YEAH! That's a great idea!"

STG: "Hey, I'm not Second Trump Guy for nothin'!"

:hifive:
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I think both you and irish are right.  

irish is right in that 99% of these hole-in-one contests are insured for the many reasons he explained, and that the dispute and settlement should have been with the insurance company.

I agree with you that the report is the dispute was settled with funds from the Trump Foundation.  So, the Trump course forgot to take out insurance, or decided they didn't want to pay for hole-in-one insurance and scrambled for an excuse after a contestant beat the extraordinary odds and aced one, or (the most likely event IMO) something close enough to the scenario you laid out in the quoted section above happened and we'll just go with it.  

 
sho nuff said:
Calling others obsessed works better when you havent spent your own time in here talking about Trump or had to use an alias to get around a suspension because you cant live without posting here. (Or both, in your case)
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IRONIC... a Trump supporter talking about Trump in the Trump supporter thread.  OBSESSED!!!1!!!1

 
Card Trader said:
IRONIC... a Trump supporter talking about Trump in the Trump supporter thread.  OBSESSED!!!1!!!1
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You would hae a point if i was calling others obsessed while i was doing the same things. .also, never used an alias to get around a suspension like Mr. Munny did.    As usual, your logic and use of the word Ironic is wrong.

 
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Dexter said:
They are not opposing Trump at all. Wishful thinking though.
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500 endorsed Romney, and McCain. Not more than 100 have endorsed Trump. 

Any military officer who publicly endorses Donald Trump has disgraced himself and the flag he claims to honor. 

 
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Card Trader said:
IRONIC... a Trump supporter talking about Trump in the Trump supporter thread.  OBSESSED!!!1!!!1
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Lol think I struck a bit close to home for Mr sensitive. Now let's let him get the last word in so he can feel good...

 
BeaverCleaver said:
Shocking...sho is at it again. :lmao:
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Shocking...Beaver is posting snarky crap about me again.  Tim not posted in a while?  

Now...go ahead an post again with a little :lmao:  and get the last word in (see, you respond to everything I say and always get that last word despite making that claim about me)

 
sho nuff said:
Shocking...Beaver is posting snarky crap about me again.  Tim not posted in a while?  

Now...go ahead an post again with a little :lmao:  and get the last word in (see, you respond to everything I say and always get that last word despite making that claim about me)
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:lmao:

Maybe you consider this snark too, oh sensitive one.

 
bananafish said:
I realize that it's mostly shtick in this thread but real life Trumpies have to be some of the most gullible people on Earth. There isn't one credible story of Trump showing any genuine integrity and 1000s of them conning people (and many of those were where he was trying to fake having integrity).

It really is sad the way he uses people. And they just line up for more.
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Yes, but HIllary is the Crooked Liar they are trying to save us from...with a guy who is as Crooked (if not more) and a bigger liar.

 
bananafish said:
Hillary is disingenuous and power hungry. Trump is simply a con artist. It's a whole nother level of moral turpitude.
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That's a good way to put it.  

I'm still not voting for either.  I'd be embarrassed to look back one day and know that I voted for Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton. 

 
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