Tom Skerritt
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Only advantage Donald seems to have is that he has a bigger pen1s. But not by much.
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cstu
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The way his kid handles the cyber is terrific.We learned from the debates that Donald has his 10 year old son handle his internets
The General
Footballguy
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
I'm just mocking you for mocking me. HTH. 800+ pages of bickering and counting.The fact that you can't see the difference between all the other posts versus your endless back and forth with squis is shocking considering otherwise you seem like a fairly intelligent adult. But feel free to keep calling me out. It shows your true colors.
3C's
Footballguy
Where did I mock you? I simply stated that the constant back and forth between you and squis, and several people/sho, was getting old. And it was in response to someone else saying for you two to "get a room" or something to that effect. Notice how the others didn't say a thing? Yet you've felt the need to comment about it several times. It's almost Trump like. <- now that could very well be interpreted as mocking you.I'm just mocking you for mocking me. HTH. 800+ pages of bickering and counting.
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
See now you're doing it. 
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HellToupee
Footballguy
HellToupee
Footballguy
This is one huge thread of guys playing slapdick. 800+ pages of bickering and counting.
The General
Footballguy
It's a typical message board politics thread.
The majority of the time a question is asked of a Trumpette it's followed with :crickets: though
Bruce Dickinson
Footballguy
The Trump campaign is neither contesting the integrity of the leaked tax documents nor releasing the full returns to disprove the speculation surrounding them.
Basically, the Trump campaign is saying what's actually in the full tax returns are worse than what people are imagining. Much worse.
Basically, the Trump campaign is saying what's actually in the full tax returns are worse than what people are imagining. Much worse.
Bruce Dickinson
Footballguy
Hmm. The Trump campaign running a post oak bluff? Under normal campaign management I could see it, but that move seems too complicated for the skill level displayed so far.
jamny
Footballguy
I said that I don't think he'd make a good President but I also don't believe that a Trump Presidency would be the nightmare scenario that many envision it would be. But that wasn't my point. I think Hillary will win this easily and my vote is even less important here in NY. If I lived in a swing state, I wouldn't vote for him. I've heard people say that a vote for Gary Johnson isn't really a vote for the man but for either a third party or the Libertarian Party specifically. Can't I say the same thing for a vote for Trump? If I think it's a meaningless vote, and I do, wouldn't voting for him be a vote against the Establishment Republicans. Trump is clearly much more socially moderate than typical Republicans, and that's a direction I want the party to go to. I also do agree with lower corporate tax rates, tightening up immigration, fixing the problems with the VA and a few other things that Trump brings up.
In short, I don't think Trump will win but I do think a vote for him is a kick in the ### of the Establishment Republicans. It makes me feel like my vote has some meaning.
cstu
Footballguy
You're only sending the message that you'll vote for the Republican nominee no matter who it is.
timschochet
Footballguy
Lol you know nothing about what I do. I don't ask people if they're illegal. If I need day laborers for immediate work I pay them above going rates. If I and others didn't hire them they would be destitute, or if you got your wish, deported. I don't think I'm taking advantage at all; I work with illegal immigrants when I can in part because I want to help them succeed.
I have NEVER taken advantage of anyone in my life and I certainly would never take glee in ripping people off the way your hero does.
jamny
Footballguy
But if Trump gets destroyed, it will only serve to empower a more right leaning party, imo. Trump is actually very moderate on lots of issues and that's where I think the party needs to go to succeed in the future.
squistion
Footballguy
Not surprising that a guy who never has been to a laundromat in his life and looks down at people who shop at Walmart as rabble would think that Tim paying day laborers at the going rate is taking advantage of them.
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Coeur de Lion
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While it's true that Trump falls to the left of establishment Republicans on social issues, that hasn't been even close to the center piece, or even a remotely important part, of his campaign. His message has been based around the loony far alt-right positions of xenophobia and authoritarianism, and if he comes close, those are the forces that are likely to ne emboldened as opposed to any type of moderation of the party establishment.
jamny
Footballguy
No doubt that will be part of it and maybe even a major part of it but I have to think that having the religious right largely marginalized will not go unnoticed. The same goes for some other social issues. Trump seems to be LGBT friendly and his abortion stance is basically non-existent. He's made comments that I'm sure the NRA isn't too happy about either. If you can take out the man, he's a good candidate on paper.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Ehhh, his positions on the economy and foreign policy are unrealistic and genuinely dangerous, and those two spheres are hugely important. We can't simply return to early 20th century isolationism and economic protectionism.
Bruce Dickinson
Footballguy
How much of his campaign would you estimate has been spent pushing these parts of his platform? Do you think they would be priorities in a Trump Administration?
ETA: I do think Trump's pro-LGBT stance is admirable. I don't think it's fair to say his abortion stance is "non-existent". It's pretty clear he's campaigning as a pro-lifer, and has made it clear an anti-abortion stance would be a litmus test for any Supreme Court nominee. (I do agree it's debatable about whether his campaign aligns with how he feels personally. If a news story broke that he paid a mistress to have an abortion and keep quiet about it, I doubt it would even be considered news.)
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HellToupee
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1st off I only have had hero in my life and that was my father. Trump is no political hero , wouldn't even say I'm a fan of his , but he's a disruptive force for change.
So you pay above going rates for illegals , so noble of you. Why don't you hire a day laborer the correct way?
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[scooter]
Footballguy
Maybe because he follows the example set by Donald Trump? All Tim's doing is taking advantage of loopholes in the system. It's not Tim's fault that the law turns a blind eye.
culdeus
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Bob Magaw
Footballguy
If you can take out the radioactivity, Chernobyl is a good nuclear reactor on paper.
* From the NY Times reporter that broke the Trump income tax story yesterday.
The Time I Found Donald Trump’s Tax Records in My Mailbox
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/03/insider/the-time-i-found-donald-trumps-tax-records-in-my-mailbox.html?_r=0
The most shocking part of Donald Trump’s tax records isn’t the $916 million loss everyone’s talking about
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/10/02/the-most-shocking-part-of-donald-trumps-tax-records-isnt-the-916-million-loss-everyones-talking-about/
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timschochet
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I do hire them the correct way. I go to Home Depot, tell some guys what I want, ask them in their truck to follow me. I let them tell me the price; I rarely negotiate. I pay in cash. I often pay above the asked price if the job is done well.
All of this is perfectly legal. Since these are always small jobs under $600, I can pay in cash and need not report it. They may be illegal immigrants but I have no responsibility to ask them if they are.
The General
Footballguy
Trump is a terrible candidate "on paper". He has pretty much zero issues that he is clearly defined on. The republican party having this loser as their candidate is the biggest joke in my lifetime.jamny said:
joffer
Footballguy
this
apparently having held every conceivable position on every conceivable issue at one time or another is considered "moderate"
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squistion
Footballguy
Not even a fan of his? Please.HellToupee said:
Let's see...you started a safe space thread about Trump and wouldn't allow any negative comments in it. Then after people started criticizing him for things that you couldn't defend, you had a caps lock hissy fit, after which you deleted the thread.
I would hate to have seen what kind of meltdown you would have had if you actually were a fan of his.
jamny
Footballguy
Donald Trump’s More Accepting Views on Gay Issues Set Him Apart in G.O.P.this
apparently having held every conceivable position on every conceivable issue at one time or another is considered "moderate"
I'm not saying he doesn't go where the wind, and polling, takes him. So does Hillary. I'm just saying that if you really look at him, he is very different on social issues than the Republican Party is used to and wants as their representative.
The General
Footballguy
SHIZNITTTT
Footballguy
Spin and more spin. Why would Guiliani want to be Trump's flunky? Or, for that matter why would Christie? The left sees Trump as a moral bankrupt person who has people do work for him and doesn't pay them when the work is completed. It wasn't due to Trump not being able to pay the workers, it was in his words, "good business sense not to pay them!" This is what I don't understand about the working class voting for someone like Trump. The right sees Trump as a business genius for taking advantage of loop holes. If a loop hole exists it is silly not to use it your full advantage. But, as long is it doesn't have any effect on me. we are doomed
Bruce Dickinson
Footballguy
This was a really good read. My favorite part was about the accountant who prepared the return. His tax software didn't have enough spaces to put in that ginormous loss, so he entered what he could, then printed it out and loaded it into an IBM Selectric to type in the leading two digits.Bob Magaw said:
timschochet
Footballguy
I think that's true, and I think he deserves some credit for this. Unfortunately, there's two problems with it: first, it's countered by his authoritarian and irresponsible beliefs on a host of other issues, the sum of which, IMO, disqualify him for the Presidency all by themselves.
Second, what difference are his personal thoughts about gays given his pledge to nominate the most socially conservative judges he can find? jamny, you can go to a wide number of Christian conservative websites (start with Hugh Hewitt if you'd like) and you will discover that while most of them aren't in love with Trump, they're supporting him because of the Supreme Court.
The General
Footballguy
Republicans for awhile now have convinced poor people to vote against their better interests.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Yeah, all those poor inner-city voters that have voted democrat for decades are thriving these days.
The General
Footballguy
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
I dunno man according to any conservative I've ever talked to they're all living large eating steak and lobster for dinner every night on my dime while only having to put in 3 hour work weeks. Sounds like a pretty sweet gig.
urbanhack
Fight The Power!
Remember all those great republican talking points during mayoral and gubernatorial elections in areas with urban areas about how they were going to raise taxes and then reinvest that money into education and infrastructure upgrades in impoverished neighborhoods????
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Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
You seem to think only the Republican party is bull####ting the poor people. Both parties are.
The General
Footballguy
To some extent sure that's part of getting elected. Democrats at least "bull####" the poor. Republicans don't even bother yet some dude living off the government in a trailer seems to think that he shouldn't have voted for Obama because he's a muslim.
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
Two videos - Rolling around the mud scene AND a pig in a parking lot.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/10/02/donald-trumps-epic-meltdown-in-manheim-shouldnt-surprise-anyone/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTyXXo-8Gzc
The Meaning of Trump’s Early-Morning Tweet Storm
http://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/the-meaning-of-trumps-early-morning-tweet-storm
"Why has Trump been unable to move on? The “unhinged” theory is the most persuasive explanation, but it needs stating carefully. Trump didn’t develop any new traits, or lose his mental balance, on Thursday night. Angrily lashing out at people who criticize him, regardless of the circumstances or consequences, has long been Trump’s default behavior. He didn’t become unhinged. He is unhinged. “This is just who he is,” Sam Stein, of the Huffington Post, pointed out on Friday’s edition of “Morning Joe.” “I know people think there’s this three-dimensional chess happening, and he’s trying to distract from another story . . . but it’s not that. I think he’s just personally aggrieved by what’s happening with this thing.”
"Stein is surely right. If Trump’s tweet had been part of a devilish new strategy to blacken Machado’s reputation and put the Clintonites on the defensive, his campaign would have followed up his tweets by providing at least some fresh evidence to back up his charges. It didn’t. On Friday morning, his campaign manager, Kellyanne Conway, was busy retweeting stories about the Clinton e-mail scandal from Politico and the Wall Street Journal. She didn’t mention Trump’s messages from earlier in the day—and that was perfectly understandable. Even before this week, women and Latinos were largely against Trump. In engaging in a weeklong war with Machado, he has given members of both groups, and of other groups, new reasons to dislike him. From a political perspective, there was nothing to be gained from extending the spat with Machado. It is a repeat of Trump’s damaging spat with the Khan family after the Democratic Convention."
"The point is Trump’s character. His original comments about Machado reeked of sexism and racism. His behavior this week has highlighted, anew, his impulsiveness and lack of discipline. As the Washington Post’s Paul Waldman pointed out on Friday, if Trump did somehow make it to the Oval Office, “he’d have to regularly set aside whatever impulsive reaction he has to a particular turn of events in favor of a long-term strategy that would be more beneficial to the country.” Could he do that? The answer is available on Twitter."
Analysis: Trump May Have Had the Worst Week in Presidential Campaign History
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/analysis-trump-may-have-had-worst-week-presidential-campaign-history-n658071
"The combination of multiple damaging stories, all made dramatically worse by the candidate's impulsive response, may be without precedent. It's as if Dukakis were photographed riding in the tank, saw the mocking news coverage, then climbed back into the tank and drove cross-country with Willie Horton riding shotgun as his own staff begged him to pull over."
"But even setting aside the vulgarity of the tweets, Trump's vengeful response affirmed — almost to the point of parody — Clinton's core charge that he was temperamentally unfit to manage the world's most powerful military.
"You can't tweet at 3 o'clock in the morning. Period. There's no excuse. Ever. Not if you're going to be president of the United States," former Speaker Newt Gingrich, another of Trump's most prominent supporters, said on Fox News."
"The good news for Trump is that there may be too many distinct negative stories surrounding his campaign for the average voter to fully process or a nightly news show to recap in depth. The expectations for his second debate, already minimal, are now on the ocean floor. But that's little consolation. At the exact moment Trump needed to be his best, with the most people watching and the stakes at their highest, he choked like never before."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/10/02/donald-trumps-epic-meltdown-in-manheim-shouldnt-surprise-anyone/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTyXXo-8Gzc
The Meaning of Trump’s Early-Morning Tweet Storm
http://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/the-meaning-of-trumps-early-morning-tweet-storm
"Why has Trump been unable to move on? The “unhinged” theory is the most persuasive explanation, but it needs stating carefully. Trump didn’t develop any new traits, or lose his mental balance, on Thursday night. Angrily lashing out at people who criticize him, regardless of the circumstances or consequences, has long been Trump’s default behavior. He didn’t become unhinged. He is unhinged. “This is just who he is,” Sam Stein, of the Huffington Post, pointed out on Friday’s edition of “Morning Joe.” “I know people think there’s this three-dimensional chess happening, and he’s trying to distract from another story . . . but it’s not that. I think he’s just personally aggrieved by what’s happening with this thing.”
"Stein is surely right. If Trump’s tweet had been part of a devilish new strategy to blacken Machado’s reputation and put the Clintonites on the defensive, his campaign would have followed up his tweets by providing at least some fresh evidence to back up his charges. It didn’t. On Friday morning, his campaign manager, Kellyanne Conway, was busy retweeting stories about the Clinton e-mail scandal from Politico and the Wall Street Journal. She didn’t mention Trump’s messages from earlier in the day—and that was perfectly understandable. Even before this week, women and Latinos were largely against Trump. In engaging in a weeklong war with Machado, he has given members of both groups, and of other groups, new reasons to dislike him. From a political perspective, there was nothing to be gained from extending the spat with Machado. It is a repeat of Trump’s damaging spat with the Khan family after the Democratic Convention."
"The point is Trump’s character. His original comments about Machado reeked of sexism and racism. His behavior this week has highlighted, anew, his impulsiveness and lack of discipline. As the Washington Post’s Paul Waldman pointed out on Friday, if Trump did somehow make it to the Oval Office, “he’d have to regularly set aside whatever impulsive reaction he has to a particular turn of events in favor of a long-term strategy that would be more beneficial to the country.” Could he do that? The answer is available on Twitter."
Analysis: Trump May Have Had the Worst Week in Presidential Campaign History
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/analysis-trump-may-have-had-worst-week-presidential-campaign-history-n658071
"The combination of multiple damaging stories, all made dramatically worse by the candidate's impulsive response, may be without precedent. It's as if Dukakis were photographed riding in the tank, saw the mocking news coverage, then climbed back into the tank and drove cross-country with Willie Horton riding shotgun as his own staff begged him to pull over."
"But even setting aside the vulgarity of the tweets, Trump's vengeful response affirmed — almost to the point of parody — Clinton's core charge that he was temperamentally unfit to manage the world's most powerful military.
"You can't tweet at 3 o'clock in the morning. Period. There's no excuse. Ever. Not if you're going to be president of the United States," former Speaker Newt Gingrich, another of Trump's most prominent supporters, said on Fox News."
"The good news for Trump is that there may be too many distinct negative stories surrounding his campaign for the average voter to fully process or a nightly news show to recap in depth. The expectations for his second debate, already minimal, are now on the ocean floor. But that's little consolation. At the exact moment Trump needed to be his best, with the most people watching and the stakes at their highest, he choked like never before."
HellToupee
Footballguy
That's why it's imperative that we import more poor people.How about we fix poverty issues here first
fatness
Footballguy
The General
Footballguy
I just don't see this as an issue but I live practically in Canada. I'll let others weigh in on this who are way more passionate about this than I am.
I'm 100% certain Trump is not the answer to anything except punchlines.
randall146
Footballguy
If that's what poor people did the republicans would think they're smart and nominate them for President
mr. furley
Footballguy
The journey of a Trump true believer: 'Finally. Someone who thinks like me.'
She was a 52-year-old woman who had worked 20 years for the railroad, had once been a Democrat and was now a Republican, and counted herself among the growing swath of people who occupied the fringes of American politics but were increasingly becoming part of the mainstream. Like millions of others, she believed that President Barack Obama was a Muslim. And like so many she had gotten to know online through social media, she also believed that he was likely gay, that Michelle Obama could be a man, and that the Obama children were possibly kidnapped from a family now searching for them.
She was a 52-year-old woman who had worked 20 years for the railroad, had once been a Democrat and was now a Republican, and counted herself among the growing swath of people who occupied the fringes of American politics but were increasingly becoming part of the mainstream. Like millions of others, she believed that President Barack Obama was a Muslim. And like so many she had gotten to know online through social media, she also believed that he was likely gay, that Michelle Obama could be a man, and that the Obama children were possibly kidnapped from a family now searching for them.
The General
Footballguy
Over/Under on missing teeth 4.5The journey of a Trump true believer: 'Finally. Someone who thinks like me.'
She was a 52-year-old woman who had worked 20 years for the railroad, had once been a Democrat and was now a Republican, and counted herself among the growing swath of people who occupied the fringes of American politics but were increasingly becoming part of the mainstream. Like millions of others, she believed that President Barack Obama was a Muslim. And like so many she had gotten to know online through social media, she also believed that he was likely gay, that Michelle Obama could be a man, and that the Obama children were possibly kidnapped from a family now searching for them.
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