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MattFancy said:
Donald Trump is toying with refusing to concede if he loses. That’s horrifying.

"You have 38 days to make every dream you ever dreamed for your country come true," Trump said. "Do not let this opportunity slip away or be wasted. You will never ever have this chance again. Not going to happen again. … You have one magnificent chance."
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Santa?  Willy Wonka?  Jesus?  Nope, just Donald J. Trump at your beck and call ready to make all your dreams come true.  Did he promise free pizza at lunch and no homework too?

 
dutch said:
Santa?  Willy Wonka?  Jesus?  Nope, just Donald J. Trump at your beck and call ready to make all your dreams come true.  Did he promise free pizza at lunch and no homework too?
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Doubt he promised free pizza.  He doesn't like to eat without using utensils.  Free taco salad bowls?  Sure.  He loves Hispanics.

 
Coeur de Lion said:
In terms of local races, then yeah, I won't argue that too much. But the biggest effects are going to be in essentially turning the SC blue for a generation and in the "Goldwater effect" down the road with Hispanic voters. IMO that second one is going to be a problem for years for the Republican Party, particularly given that by the next Presidential election cycle, Texas will have a Hispanic majority.
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It's going to be amusing watching the GOP try to sell itself to Hispanic voters in the future after they've made the decision to embrace Trump.  What ground game Trump has was put in place by the RNC if I understand correctly.  Priebus has called out and threatened Kasich for not endorsing Trump.  At the convention, folks from 50 states publically and enthusiastically cast votes for him and loudly declared him "the next president of the united states". 

That 2012 GOP postmortem is crumpled up, thrown in the wastebasket and set on fire.  They can try to write another one, but who will believe them? 

 
BigSteelThrill said:
I don't think that's true. As they will expose each other and then they wont have the "left" to blame for reporting on all of that idiocy.

Part of the reason they get such solid run on radio and TV is that they really on have 1 political outlet which stays arm-in-arm with each other.
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I truly hope that you are right. But I doubt it. We'll see.

 
MattFancy said:
All these people complained previously that everyone on welfare is taking advantage of the system and stealing their hard working money. Trump, doesn't pay taxes for (possibly) 20 years and he's looked at as a genius for not giving any money to the government. Can someone explain how taking advantage of welfare loopholes is any different than taking advantage of tax loopholes? If you're so upset about people "stealing" money for welfare, then what about Trump not even giving any money to the government to use for the troops, vets, education, roads, etc.?
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Even worse is that it's not just the people voting for him doing it.  Trump himself has a history of blasting people for wiggling out of paying enough taxes, all the while probably completely dodging them himself.

http://time.com/money/4516670/donald-trump-not-paying-taxes-criticism/

 
Jeremy said:
It's going to be amusing watching the GOP try to sell itself to Hispanic voters in the future after they've made the decision to embrace Trump.  What ground game Trump has was put in place by the RNC if I understand correctly.  Priebus has called out and threatened Kasich for not endorsing Trump.  At the convention, folks from 50 states publically and enthusiastically cast votes for him and loudly declared him "the next president of the united states". 

That 2012 GOP postmortem is crumpled up, thrown in the wastebasket and set on fire.  They can try to write another one, but who will believe them? 
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Indeed. The way that they've all fallen in line behind an obviously unstable and completely unqualified demagogue is really going to end up being the big take away from this election for everyone on both sides that actually thinks about stuff. It'll be interesting to see the effects of that once that fervor of election season dies down. I'm really interested in seeing how things shake out in the party moving forward. Clearly continuing to double down on the far right extremism is a guaranteed losing play nationally, but quite a few of them need to continue on that path to hold their seats locally. It's a problem.

 
FreeBaGeL said:
Even worse is that it's not just the people voting for him doing it.  Trump himself has a history of blasting people for wiggling out of paying enough taxes, all the while probably completely dodging them himself.

http://time.com/money/4516670/donald-trump-not-paying-taxes-criticism/
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Trump has a history of this kind of stuff.  I think they call it psychological projection.  Lyin' Ted, Crooked Hillary, Crazy Bernie.  He's fat shamed numerous people, called out the Clinton's for infidelity.  The other day he called Hillary crazy.  Many people have called her corrupt, a criminal and worse.  But who thinks she's crazy?  He's called her racist as well I believe. 

Every criticism he makes of someone is basically a confession. 

Projection tends to come to the fore in normal people at times of crisis, personal or political[17] but is more commonly found in the neurotic or psychotic[18] in personalities functioning at a primitive level as in narcissistic personality disorder or borderline personality disorder.[19]
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Never seen a guy with balls this big:

"When the odds are stacked against me and you -- because many of you people are the same way -- when people say it can't be done, that's when we just get started," Trump said. "We are looking for a comeback."

 
cstu said:
Never seen a guy with balls this big:

"When the odds are stacked against me and you -- because many of you people are the same way -- when people say it can't be done, that's when we just get started," Trump said. "We are looking for a comeback."
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Why does he need a comeback? I thought all the polls had him winning the debate?

 
Coeur de Lion said:
I read that most of their big personalities have "outs" written into their contracts re: Ailes leaving. Certainly O'Reilly, and there were a few others. IMO they'd all just follow the money.

I have no idea what Trump's end game is in all of this -- but the network thing seems to make the most sense. Of course it's also possible that he's just been running an actual campaign all along, and is just that incompetent. But the no ad-spend, the lack of any coherence or preparation of any kind, the numerous and obviously avoided huge PR blunders, the lack of local campaign staff, etc say that he really DGAF to me -- if this has actually been his best effort at winning, then wow. Just, ...wow.

Maybe I'm giving him too much credit and he is just truly flailing around with no clue. But I'd agree that he has hurt his brand, and I have to believe that he knows this, and probably wouldn't do so without some sort of way to offset the damage.
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You make some good points and could be right. I could see it breaking that way. Just doing background research in this election cycle has been sobering (to say the least) and made me cynical and jaded about Trump's alleged business savvy and prowess.

BTW, looking at the movement of polls since the DNC (gap widens, closes, widens again), and perhaps this has been observed elsewhere multiple times, it APPEARS his CEILING tops out near her FLOOR. They are both disliked/reviled to the extent that their respective opposing parties, and even a broad segment of undecided make them close enough that missteps (or series of them in Trump's case) can cause the trend lines to ping pong back and forth. But guessing the AVERAGE (acknowledging the margin for error uncertainty) is situated/resides somewhere between BOTH of their respective highs/lows = positive for Clinton. 

* Clinton prepping for second debate (anticipating dealing with toxic level of waste)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okHFeljhWxc  

 
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Bob Magaw said:
You make some good points and could be right. I could see it breaking that way. Just doing background research in this election cycle has been sobering (to say the least) and made me cynical and jaded about Trump's alleged business savvy and prowess.

BTW, looking at the movement of polls since the DNC (gap widens, closes, widens again), and perhaps this has been observed elsewhere multiple times, it APPEARS his CEILING tops out near her FLOOR. They are both disliked/reviled enough by their respective opposing parties, and even a broad segment of undecided to make them close enough that missteps (or series of them in Trump's case) can cause the trend lines to ping pong back and forth. But guessing the AVERAGE (acknowledging the margin for error uncertainty) is situated/resides somewhere between BOTH of their respective highs/lows = positive for Clinton.   
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Yeah, everything about his candidacy the campaign itself makes such little sense that I've been grasping at straws trying to explain it. Who knows?

She's going to win, although IMO the margin remains to be seen. You probably also have to figure in that Trump will probably under-perform his polling numbers in the actual election due to the lack of any organization to help get voters out to the polls.

 
fatguyinalittlecoat said:
I don't know Florida campaign finance law, but here's what the article says -- http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-donations-charlie-crist_us_57f2e982e4b0703f75909bb3?section :

Florida defines “person” to include an individual, corporation, association, joint venture or company, so a person and that person’s entities each can contribute $500. Trump’s contributions masked his total giving, but don’t appear to violate state campaign finance laws in effect at the time.
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Campaign finance laws seem to be an odd beast.  Here in NY we have something called the "LLC loophole".   Corporations can donate $5,000 to a state candidate whereas individuals can donate up to $60,800 (depending on what type of election).  But for some reason, LLCs are considered individuals under the law.  So people just incorporate LLCs, put money into them, and donate the money to candidates, blatantly skirting the law but acting completely legally.

 
RBM said:
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Pretty unsurprising that this is all that you've got. After all, ignoring it all is just so much easier than trying to explain why you're suddenly against free markets and an active interventionist foreign policy after all these years. The mental gymnastics displayed on the right this cycle are going to provide years of entertainment moving forward.

 
Coeur de Lion said:
Maybe I'm giving him too much credit and he is just truly flailing around with no clue. But I'd agree that he has hurt his brand, and I have to believe that he knows this, and probably wouldn't do so without some sort of way to offset the damage.
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Has he really hurt his brand?  What exactly was his brand before this?  His net worth is so tied into his branding, a vague notion of what his name is worth.  This campaign has been a way to monetize that brand unlike anything he's ever done before.  Yes he's sold books and had The Apprentice and such, but he wasn't really known to stand for anything.  ETA - The Art of the Deal is old news, the Apprentice has been gone for years.  He needs a new cash stream.  It's like the Kardashian family....they have money, they're famous, but they're really just famous because they're famous.  Now Trump has a legion of people who will throw money at him and eat up whatever he has to say. 

I would speculate that many Americans have a more negative view of Trump than they did in, say, 2014, but Trump wasn't making money off of those people.  But now there's a segment of people who have a much more positive view of Trump than they did in 2014.  He wasn't making money off of them back then, but he's sure to make money off of them now.  Books, speaking engagements, paid TV spots.  He has basically cast his lot to alienate a decent percentage of Americans in exchange for monetizing his name with the remainder of them.  I won't speculate as to his motives for running for POTUS, but he stands to make a ton of money if he plays this right.

 
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Steve Tasker said:
Has he really hurt his brand?  What exactly was his brand before this?  His net worth is so tied into his branding, a vague notion of what his name is worth.  This campaign has been a way to monetize that brand unlike anything he's ever done before.  Yes he's sold books and had The Apprentice and such, but he wasn't really known to stand for anything.  It's like the Kardashian family....they have money, they're famous, but they're really just famous because they're famous.  Now Trump has a legion of people who will throw money at him and eat up whatever he has to say.

I would speculate that many Americans have a more negative view of Trump than they did in, say, 2014, but Trump wasn't making money off of those people.  But now there's a segment of people who have a much more positive view of Trump than they did in 2014.  He wasn't making money off of them back then, but he's sure to make money off of them now.  Books, speaking engagements, paid TV spots.  He has basically cast his lot to alienate a decent percentage of Americans in exchange for monetizing his name with the remainder of them.  I won't speculate as to his motives for running for POTUS, but he stands to make a ton of money if he plays this right.
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I don't think that the demographics of his core supporters and the customers at his resorts, golf courses, and high end hotels match up all that well, personally.

 
Coeur de Lion said:
Pretty unsurprising that this is all that you've got. After all, ignoring it all is just so much easier than trying to explain why you're suddenly against free markets and an active interventionist foreign policy after all these years. The mental gymnastics displayed on the right this cycle are going to provide years of entertainment moving forward.
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:mellow:

 
Coeur de Lion said:
I don't think that the demographics of his core supporters and the customers at his resorts, golf courses, and high end hotels match up all that well, personally.
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Maybe.  The wealthier people I deal with at work seem to like him though.  The kinds who can afford expensive hotel stays and golf packages (mostly older white men).

 
Steve Tasker said:
Maybe.  The wealthier people I deal with at work seem to like him though.  The kinds who can afford expensive hotel stays and golf packages (mostly older white men).
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Yeah, I've seen pretty much the opposite. As far as people I actually respect, the ones voting for him are doing so knowing he is an imbecile, but Supreme Court, or insert some other reason here. And more of them are planning on leaving the top of the ticket blank, voting for Johnson, or even voting for Hillary. All of the "enthusiastic" Trumpkins are pretty much people I already knew were idiots.

 
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Steve Tasker said:
Maybe.  The wealthier people I deal with at work seem to like him though.  The kinds who can afford expensive hotel stays and golf packages (mostly older white men).
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He's pretty toxic in NYC now though and that was his base.  I don't know how many other places will subsidize him going forward.  

 
:shrug:  I really wonder if your hatred of Trump is clouding judgement on this one, but I'll leave it.  I'm not a Trump fan so I have no dog in the fight.  Even if this negatively impacts his cash flow, we'll never know because he'll never say anything publicly except bragging about his net worth regardless.

 
Steve Tasker said:
:shrug:  I really wonder if your hatred of Trump is clouding judgement on this one, but I'll leave it.  I'm not a Trump fan so I have no dog in the fight.  Even if this negatively impacts his cash flow, we'll never know because he'll never say anything publicly except bragging about his net worth regardless.
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It's certainly possible -- but on the flip side of that coin, you may be underestimating the amount of ill will he has generated with a whole lot of people.

 
Steve Tasker said:
Has he really hurt his brand?  What exactly was his brand before this?  His net worth is so tied into his branding, a vague notion of what his name is worth.  This campaign has been a way to monetize that brand unlike anything he's ever done before.  Yes he's sold books and had The Apprentice and such, but he wasn't really known to stand for anything.  ETA - The Art of the Deal is old news, the Apprentice has been gone for years.  He needs a new cash stream.  It's like the Kardashian family....they have money, they're famous, but they're really just famous because they're famous.  Now Trump has a legion of people who will throw money at him and eat up whatever he has to say. 

I would speculate that many Americans have a more negative view of Trump than they did in, say, 2014, but Trump wasn't making money off of those people.  But now there's a segment of people who have a much more positive view of Trump than they did in 2014.  He wasn't making money off of them back then, but he's sure to make money off of them now.  Books, speaking engagements, paid TV spots.  He has basically cast his lot to alienate a decent percentage of Americans in exchange for monetizing his name with the remainder of them.  I won't speculate as to his motives for running for POTUS, but he stands to make a ton of money if he plays this right.
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I don't know how he is doing as a general matter, but the hotel that he opened in DC does not appear off to a great start.  I've read about rooms with a list price of $800/night going in the $300s on Priceline, and a review of the new BLT Prime restaurant inside it mentioned that there were only about a dozen people eating there for dinner, in a restaurant that fits 120.

 
Don Quixote said:
I don't know how he is doing as a general matter, but the hotel that he opened in DC does not appear off to a great start.  I've read about rooms with a list price of $800/night going in the $300s on Priceline, and a review of the new BLT Prime restaurant inside it mentioned that there were only about a dozen people eating there for dinner, in a restaurant that fits 120.
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In fairness, that place is doomed because Trump is a bonehead of a businessman, not because of a backlash--well, not mostly.

The deal he made when he stuck his name on that place meant they had to charge those silly rates.  It's a fun story to find if you like reading about how dumb Trump is.  

 
"You have 38 days to make every dream you ever dreamed for your country come true"

That's some crazy psychological stuff right there. "Vote for me and I will literally MAKE EVERY DREAM COME TRUE".

 
Joe Summer said:
"You have 38 days to make every dream you ever dreamed for your country come true"

That's some crazy psychological stuff right there. "Vote for me and I will literally MAKE EVERY DREAM COME TRUE".
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I'll take "Things a cult leader says" for $1000, Alex.

 
Don Quixote said:
I don't know how he is doing as a general matter, but the hotel that he opened in DC does not appear off to a great start.  I've read about rooms with a list price of $800/night going in the $300s on Priceline, and a review of the new BLT Prime restaurant inside it mentioned that there were only about a dozen people eating there for dinner, in a restaurant that fits 120.
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Trump is also already in the process of suing Jeffrey Zakarian for pulling out of a deal to open another restaurant in there over Trump's rhetoric about Hispanics.

 
joffer said:
he's just not all there.  or its shtick.  only two possibilities at this point.
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I seriously can't believe he couldn't a way to have the RNC replace him at the convention.  Would have been the perfect thing for his brand for him to go out a winner who was robbed of the Presidency by his own Party.

 
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