****OFFICIAL DYNASTY TRADES**** (5 Viewers)

[InDitkaWeTrust]

I think Jamo should be valued higher than Walker

I don't hate the trade but I wouldn't have done it personally. However, as to this quote -- and I get it, it's your opinion --, that is quite an extremely long limb you're out on.

Says you. And it's ok. But Walker has what maybe three years of solid to elite production IF everything continues to work out for him (and I don't fear it won't) compared to an ascending young WR on a strong offense. Simply from a dynasty franchise value perspective (which is how I do things around here) I have them as about equal. A possible tiebreaker for Walker is that he is a RB a possible tiebreaker for Jamo is that his WR arc can/will/might last much much longer. My tiebreaker is that he might be special and Walker is Walker (which I don't mind really).

My value system has Walker at 25 and Jamo at 27. Negligible difference but it is a very similar system as Hindery. Hindery has Walker at 17.5 and Jamo at 8.1 and Spears at 7.5 (I have Spears at 17) so Hindery would prefer the Walker side as well (and is a fan) 17.5-15.6 which I would argue is not a bad loss (on paper) to make a fair and speculative trade.

By my calc I won 44 to 32 which is around a free early second round pick. The 32 is from 25 for Walker and 7 for the roster spot that I took on by adding a player. That's a penalty.

Respectfully, agree with eighsse2. Jamo hasn't topped 70 yards, 8 targets or 5 receptions yet in (between ACL and hammy injuries) what amounts to a full season between 22 and 23. If we put those two season together, he had under 500 yards total rushing and receiving. Those are the kinds of stats that scream JAG for a rookie season, right? I think he'll struggle to get 60 targets on that offense and project him into the 40/525/4 range. OTOH, I see Walker (of whom I own no shares) in the 220/1000/8 and 30/250/1 range. I just don't see the upside of Jamo in this trade as anything other than a dart throw add-on to equilibrate Spears in the eyes of a trade calculator. Again, IMO.

 

[Boston]

FFPC TriFlex

I gave Walker
I got Jameson Williams, Spears

Definitely Walker for me...he is a starting-level fantasy RB who while his upside has some questions he is someone I trust to be productive and put into my starting line-up...Williams does little for me...I do see the path to production but I also see the path to mediocrity...either way when you look at the amount of WR talent coming into the league on an annual basis he is not someone I would target in a trade for a quality asset like Walker...it's year 3 for Williams, I'll gladly let someone else figure out what he actually is...Spears is a player everyone would want as a depth piece but again, like Williams he is not a guy I would be targeting for an asset like Walker...I just don't ever see him being a better fantasy player than real player...this is a real nice trade for the guy getting Walker...he doesn't touch the core of his roster, and he gets a young, starting-level RB who has blow-up potential.

 

[JoeJoe88]

FFPC TriFlex

I gave Walker
I got Jameson Williams, Spears

I would give those pieces in a heartbeat for KW.

 

[BearsFan4Life]

14 Team .. Standard Scoring

JTaylor

for

2025 1st - Mid
2025 1st - Late
2025 3rd - Mid

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I just don't see the upside of Jamo in this trade as anything other than a dart throw add-on to equilibrate Spears in the eyes of a trade calculator. Again, IMO.

I don’t mind the flag plant.

Jamo is getting a lot of positive press from camp, and could well be an ascending WR. Pollard is the older back in TEN, and there’s a decent chance that Spears is the man in the not too distant future - even this year with a pollard injury.

It’s the sort of deal I’ve been on the opposite side of, then in 2 years wonder “why’d I give up those two guys for this dude?”

Betting on ascending talent is a good way to win at FF. It’s not without risk, but I understand the trade.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

14 Team .. Standard Scoring

JTaylor

for

2025 1st - Mid
2025 1st - Late
2025 3rd - Mid

Seems pretty reasonably priced in a 14 team league. I’d pay that for JT.

 

[Boston]

I just don't see the upside of Jamo in this trade as anything other than a dart throw add-on to equilibrate Spears in the eyes of a trade calculator. Again, IMO.

I don’t mind the flag plant.

Jamo is getting a lot of positive press from camp, and could well be an ascending WR. Pollard is the older back in TEN, and there’s a decent chance that Spears is the man in the not too distant future - even this year with a pollard injury.

It’s the sort of deal I’ve been on the opposite side of, then in 2 years wonder “why’d I give up those two guys for this dude?”

Betting on ascending talent is a good way to win at FF. It’s not without risk, but I understand the trade.

While I understand this thinking in the big picture the issue I have with this specific deal is Walker also fits the profile as an ascendant talent (who has already shown more than the other two)...he's not a veteran who has maxed out and it is time to flip him and roll the dice on the ascending talent.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

While I understand this thinking in the big picture the issue I have with this specific deal is Walker fits the profile as an ascendant talent (who has already shown more than the other two)...he's not a veteran who has maxed out and it is time to flip him and roll the dice on the ascending talent.

Oh I agree with this. I’m super high on KW this year. I was just kinda Devil’s advocating the deal.

 

[barackdhouse]

I think Jamo should be valued higher than Walker

I don't hate the trade but I wouldn't have done it personally. However, as to this quote -- and I get it, it's your opinion --, that is quite an extremely long limb you're out on.

Says you. And it's ok. But Walker has what maybe three years of solid to elite production IF everything continues to work out for him (and I don't fear it won't) compared to an ascending young WR on a strong offense. Simply from a dynasty franchise value perspective (which is how I do things around here) I have them as about equal. A possible tiebreaker for Walker is that he is a RB a possible tiebreaker for Jamo is that his WR arc can/will/might last much much longer. My tiebreaker is that he might be special and Walker is Walker (which I don't mind really).

My value system has Walker at 25 and Jamo at 27. Negligible difference but it is a very similar system as Hindery. Hindery has Walker at 17.5 and Jamo at 8.1 and Spears at 7.5 (I have Spears at 17) so Hindery would prefer the Walker side as well (and is a fan) 17.5-15.6 which I would argue is not a bad loss (on paper) to make a fair and speculative trade.

By my calc I won 44 to 32 which is around a free early second round pick. The 32 is from 25 for Walker and 7 for the roster spot that I took on by adding a player. That's a penalty.

Respectfully, agree with eighsse2. Jamo hasn't topped 70 yards, 8 targets or 5 receptions yet in (between ACL and hammy injuries) what amounts to a full season between 22 and 23. If we put those two season together, he had under 500 yards total rushing and receiving. Those are the kinds of stats that scream JAG for a rookie season, right? I think he'll struggle to get 60 targets on that offense and project him into the 40/525/4 range. OTOH, I see Walker (of whom I own no shares) in the 220/1000/8 and 30/250/1 range. I just don't see the upside of Jamo in this trade as anything other than a dart throw add-on to equilibrate Spears in the eyes of a trade calculator. Again, IMO.

Screams JAG? Lol ok

 

[barackdhouse]

I just don't see the upside of Jamo in this trade as anything other than a dart throw add-on to equilibrate Spears in the eyes of a trade calculator. Again, IMO.

I don’t mind the flag plant.

Jamo is getting a lot of positive press from camp, and could well be an ascending WR. Pollard is the older back in TEN, and there’s a decent chance that Spears is the man in the not too distant future - even this year with a pollard injury.

It’s the sort of deal I’ve been on the opposite side of, then in 2 years wonder “why’d I give up those two guys for this dude?”

Betting on ascending talent is a good way to win at FF. It’s not without risk, but I understand the trade.

While I understand this thinking in the big picture the issue I have with this specific deal is Walker also fits the profile as an ascendant talent (who has already shown more than the other two)...he's not a veteran who has maxed out and it is time to flip him and roll the dice on the ascending talent.

I don't see Walker as doing more than he already has, which as I've said is very valuable.

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

I think Jamo should be valued higher than Walker

I don't hate the trade but I wouldn't have done it personally. However, as to this quote -- and I get it, it's your opinion --, that is quite an extremely long limb you're out on.

Says you. And it's ok. But Walker has what maybe three years of solid to elite production IF everything continues to work out for him (and I don't fear it won't) compared to an ascending young WR on a strong offense. Simply from a dynasty franchise value perspective (which is how I do things around here) I have them as about equal. A possible tiebreaker for Walker is that he is a RB a possible tiebreaker for Jamo is that his WR arc can/will/might last much much longer. My tiebreaker is that he might be special and Walker is Walker (which I don't mind really).

My value system has Walker at 25 and Jamo at 27. Negligible difference but it is a very similar system as Hindery. Hindery has Walker at 17.5 and Jamo at 8.1 and Spears at 7.5 (I have Spears at 17) so Hindery would prefer the Walker side as well (and is a fan) 17.5-15.6 which I would argue is not a bad loss (on paper) to make a fair and speculative trade.

By my calc I won 44 to 32 which is around a free early second round pick. The 32 is from 25 for Walker and 7 for the roster spot that I took on by adding a player. That's a penalty.

Respectfully, agree with eighsse2. Jamo hasn't topped 70 yards, 8 targets or 5 receptions yet in (between ACL and hammy injuries) what amounts to a full season between 22 and 23. If we put those two season together, he had under 500 yards total rushing and receiving. Those are the kinds of stats that scream JAG for a rookie season, right? I think he'll struggle to get 60 targets on that offense and project him into the 40/525/4 range. OTOH, I see Walker (of whom I own no shares) in the 220/1000/8 and 30/250/1 range. I just don't see the upside of Jamo in this trade as anything other than a dart throw add-on to equilibrate Spears in the eyes of a trade calculator. Again, IMO.

Screams JAG? Lol ok

What does this statline for 2023 scream to you?

24 REC

354 Yds

14.8 Avg

63 Lng

2 TDs

 

[barackdhouse]

I'm also not starting Walker most weeks on that team with Barkley Achane and Rachaad White as well a couple young RBs up and coming.

I think the common denominator I'm hearing is anti-Jamo and I frankly don't get it. He should *easily* be worth a lot more and is just one the more screaming deals in this off-season.

But people "haven't seen it yet" lol ok fine.

 

[barackdhouse]

I think Jamo should be valued higher than Walker

I don't hate the trade but I wouldn't have done it personally. However, as to this quote -- and I get it, it's your opinion --, that is quite an extremely long limb you're out on.

Says you. And it's ok. But Walker has what maybe three years of solid to elite production IF everything continues to work out for him (and I don't fear it won't) compared to an ascending young WR on a strong offense. Simply from a dynasty franchise value perspective (which is how I do things around here) I have them as about equal. A possible tiebreaker for Walker is that he is a RB a possible tiebreaker for Jamo is that his WR arc can/will/might last much much longer. My tiebreaker is that he might be special and Walker is Walker (which I don't mind really).

My value system has Walker at 25 and Jamo at 27. Negligible difference but it is a very similar system as Hindery. Hindery has Walker at 17.5 and Jamo at 8.1 and Spears at 7.5 (I have Spears at 17) so Hindery would prefer the Walker side as well (and is a fan) 17.5-15.6 which I would argue is not a bad loss (on paper) to make a fair and speculative trade.

By my calc I won 44 to 32 which is around a free early second round pick. The 32 is from 25 for Walker and 7 for the roster spot that I took on by adding a player. That's a penalty.

Respectfully, agree with eighsse2. Jamo hasn't topped 70 yards, 8 targets or 5 receptions yet in (between ACL and hammy injuries) what amounts to a full season between 22 and 23. If we put those two season together, he had under 500 yards total rushing and receiving. Those are the kinds of stats that scream JAG for a rookie season, right? I think he'll struggle to get 60 targets on that offense and project him into the 40/525/4 range. OTOH, I see Walker (of whom I own no shares) in the 220/1000/8 and 30/250/1 range. I just don't see the upside of Jamo in this trade as anything other than a dart throw add-on to equilibrate Spears in the eyes of a trade calculator. Again, IMO.

Screams JAG? Lol ok

What does this statline for 2023 scream to you?

24 REC

354 Yds

14.8 Avg

63 Lng

2 TDs

I'm not drafting his 2023 stat line

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I'm also not starting Walker most weeks on that team with Barkley Achane and Rachaad White as well a couple young RBs up and coming.

I think the common denominator I'm hearing is anti-Jamo and I frankly don't get it. He should *easily* be worth a lot more and is just one the more screaming deals in this off-season.

But people "haven't seen it yet" lol ok fine.

I tried to buy on him in both my 16 team leagues, and the respective owners both basically told me to pound sand. I wasn’t even trying to buy low, either. I guess you’re either a believer, or you’re not and there’s not a lot in between.

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

I think Jamo should be valued higher than Walker

I don't hate the trade but I wouldn't have done it personally. However, as to this quote -- and I get it, it's your opinion --, that is quite an extremely long limb you're out on.

Says you. And it's ok. But Walker has what maybe three years of solid to elite production IF everything continues to work out for him (and I don't fear it won't) compared to an ascending young WR on a strong offense. Simply from a dynasty franchise value perspective (which is how I do things around here) I have them as about equal. A possible tiebreaker for Walker is that he is a RB a possible tiebreaker for Jamo is that his WR arc can/will/might last much much longer. My tiebreaker is that he might be special and Walker is Walker (which I don't mind really).

My value system has Walker at 25 and Jamo at 27. Negligible difference but it is a very similar system as Hindery. Hindery has Walker at 17.5 and Jamo at 8.1 and Spears at 7.5 (I have Spears at 17) so Hindery would prefer the Walker side as well (and is a fan) 17.5-15.6 which I would argue is not a bad loss (on paper) to make a fair and speculative trade.

By my calc I won 44 to 32 which is around a free early second round pick. The 32 is from 25 for Walker and 7 for the roster spot that I took on by adding a player. That's a penalty.

Respectfully, agree with eighsse2. Jamo hasn't topped 70 yards, 8 targets or 5 receptions yet in (between ACL and hammy injuries) what amounts to a full season between 22 and 23. If we put those two season together, he had under 500 yards total rushing and receiving. Those are the kinds of stats that scream JAG for a rookie season, right? I think he'll struggle to get 60 targets on that offense and project him into the 40/525/4 range. OTOH, I see Walker (of whom I own no shares) in the 220/1000/8 and 30/250/1 range. I just don't see the upside of Jamo in this trade as anything other than a dart throw add-on to equilibrate Spears in the eyes of a trade calculator. Again, IMO.

Screams JAG? Lol ok

What does this statline for 2023 scream to you?

24 REC

354 Yds

14.8 Avg

63 Lng

2 TDs

I'm not drafting his 2023 stat line

Of course not. He's probably got a good bit of value/upside at his ADP of WR54 in redraft, but that has no bearing on the original topic/trade. I question valuing Jameson and KWIII so closely, though. To me, in the formats in which I generally play, there is quite a bit larger spread. Heck in the generic FBG dynasty rankings, KWIII is in the mid 50s and Jameson is in the 130s.

We just have vastly differing values fore Jameson it appears, and that's ok.

 

[menobrown]

FFPC TriFlex

I gave Walker
I got Jameson Williams, Spears

Odds are Walker > Spears. But if things break the other way a bit, it could be a free Jamo.

I really like Spears, what you suggest is in the realm of possibility for sure. But I'm still easily taking Walker.

For starters this frees up a very valuable roster spot and if playing the "what if" game I feel like I got a solid shot of landing a FA as valuable Jamo.

But more then that just Walker, especially now. And what I mean by that is we got a new staff in town and obviously that carries some unknowns but the drumbeat for him this past week or so, by some extremely credible people, is extremely impactful to me most especially for trying to get a handle his role with the new staff.

 

[barackdhouse]

I think Jamo should be valued higher than Walker

I don't hate the trade but I wouldn't have done it personally. However, as to this quote -- and I get it, it's your opinion --, that is quite an extremely long limb you're out on.

Says you. And it's ok. But Walker has what maybe three years of solid to elite production IF everything continues to work out for him (and I don't fear it won't) compared to an ascending young WR on a strong offense. Simply from a dynasty franchise value perspective (which is how I do things around here) I have them as about equal. A possible tiebreaker for Walker is that he is a RB a possible tiebreaker for Jamo is that his WR arc can/will/might last much much longer. My tiebreaker is that he might be special and Walker is Walker (which I don't mind really).

My value system has Walker at 25 and Jamo at 27. Negligible difference but it is a very similar system as Hindery. Hindery has Walker at 17.5 and Jamo at 8.1 and Spears at 7.5 (I have Spears at 17) so Hindery would prefer the Walker side as well (and is a fan) 17.5-15.6 which I would argue is not a bad loss (on paper) to make a fair and speculative trade.

By my calc I won 44 to 32 which is around a free early second round pick. The 32 is from 25 for Walker and 7 for the roster spot that I took on by adding a player. That's a penalty.

Respectfully, agree with eighsse2. Jamo hasn't topped 70 yards, 8 targets or 5 receptions yet in (between ACL and hammy injuries) what amounts to a full season between 22 and 23. If we put those two season together, he had under 500 yards total rushing and receiving. Those are the kinds of stats that scream JAG for a rookie season, right? I think he'll struggle to get 60 targets on that offense and project him into the 40/525/4 range. OTOH, I see Walker (of whom I own no shares) in the 220/1000/8 and 30/250/1 range. I just don't see the upside of Jamo in this trade as anything other than a dart throw add-on to equilibrate Spears in the eyes of a trade calculator. Again, IMO.

Screams JAG? Lol ok

What does this statline for 2023 scream to you?

24 REC

354 Yds

14.8 Avg

63 Lng

2 TDs

I'm not drafting his 2023 stat

I think Jamo should be valued higher than Walker

I don't hate the trade but I wouldn't have done it personally. However, as to this quote -- and I get it, it's your opinion --, that is quite an extremely long limb you're out on.

Says you. And it's ok. But Walker has what maybe three years of solid to elite production IF everything continues to work out for him (and I don't fear it won't) compared to an ascending young WR on a strong offense. Simply from a dynasty franchise value perspective (which is how I do things around here) I have them as about equal. A possible tiebreaker for Walker is that he is a RB a possible tiebreaker for Jamo is that his WR arc can/will/might last much much longer. My tiebreaker is that he might be special and Walker is Walker (which I don't mind really).

My value system has Walker at 25 and Jamo at 27. Negligible difference but it is a very similar system as Hindery. Hindery has Walker at 17.5 and Jamo at 8.1 and Spears at 7.5 (I have Spears at 17) so Hindery would prefer the Walker side as well (and is a fan) 17.5-15.6 which I would argue is not a bad loss (on paper) to make a fair and speculative trade.

By my calc I won 44 to 32 which is around a free early second round pick. The 32 is from 25 for Walker and 7 for the roster spot that I took on by adding a player. That's a penalty.

Respectfully, agree with eighsse2. Jamo hasn't topped 70 yards, 8 targets or 5 receptions yet in (between ACL and hammy injuries) what amounts to a full season between 22 and 23. If we put those two season together, he had under 500 yards total rushing and receiving. Those are the kinds of stats that scream JAG for a rookie season, right? I think he'll struggle to get 60 targets on that offense and project him into the 40/525/4 range. OTOH, I see Walker (of whom I own no shares) in the 220/1000/8 and 30/250/1 range. I just don't see the upside of Jamo in this trade as anything other than a dart throw add-on to equilibrate Spears in the eyes of a trade calculator. Again, IMO.

Screams JAG? Lol ok

What does this statline for 2023 scream to you?

24 REC

354 Yds

14.8 Avg

63 Lng

2 TDs

I'm not drafting his 2023 stat line

Of course not. He's probably got a good bit of value/upside at his ADP of WR54 in redraft, but that has no bearing on the original topic/trade. I question valuing Jameson and KWIII so closely, though. To me, in the formats in which I generally play, there is quite a bit larger spread. Heck in the generic FBG dynasty rankings, KWIII is in the mid 50s and Jameson is in the 130s.

We just have vastly differing values fore Jameson it appears, and that's ok.

I literally posted above about how the market sees it differently. Even used Hindery as a source (FBG writer) and you come back at me with "heck even FBG dynasty rankings". And don't come at me with a weak myopic 2023 stat and then respond that my response has no bearing. That's ****ing dumb and inauthentic.

 

[barackdhouse]

FFPC TriFlex

I gave Walker
I got Jameson Williams, Spears

Odds are Walker > Spears. But if things break the other way a bit, it could be a free Jamo.

I really like Spears, what you suggest is in the realm of possibility for sure. But I'm still easily taking Walker.

For starters this frees up a very valuable roster spot and if playing the "what if" game I feel like I got a solid shot of landing a FA as valuable Jamo.

But more then that just Walker, especially now. And what I mean by that is we got a new staff in town and obviously that carries some unknowns but the drumbeat for him this past week or so, by some extremely credible people, is extremely impactful to me most especially for trying to get a handle his role with the new staff.

I acknowledged the impact of the roster spot in a different post above. It doesn't actually impact this squad as much at this time (but it could later). And I have to admit that until this week I had heard quite a different story in Seattle but I concede that story has shifted.

But again I just have to plant my flag that y'all are insanely low on Jamo and that's ok.

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

I think Jamo should be valued higher than Walker

I don't hate the trade but I wouldn't have done it personally. However, as to this quote -- and I get it, it's your opinion --, that is quite an extremely long limb you're out on.

Says you. And it's ok. But Walker has what maybe three years of solid to elite production IF everything continues to work out for him (and I don't fear it won't) compared to an ascending young WR on a strong offense. Simply from a dynasty franchise value perspective (which is how I do things around here) I have them as about equal. A possible tiebreaker for Walker is that he is a RB a possible tiebreaker for Jamo is that his WR arc can/will/might last much much longer. My tiebreaker is that he might be special and Walker is Walker (which I don't mind really).

My value system has Walker at 25 and Jamo at 27. Negligible difference but it is a very similar system as Hindery. Hindery has Walker at 17.5 and Jamo at 8.1 and Spears at 7.5 (I have Spears at 17) so Hindery would prefer the Walker side as well (and is a fan) 17.5-15.6 which I would argue is not a bad loss (on paper) to make a fair and speculative trade.

By my calc I won 44 to 32 which is around a free early second round pick. The 32 is from 25 for Walker and 7 for the roster spot that I took on by adding a player. That's a penalty.

Respectfully, agree with eighsse2. Jamo hasn't topped 70 yards, 8 targets or 5 receptions yet in (between ACL and hammy injuries) what amounts to a full season between 22 and 23. If we put those two season together, he had under 500 yards total rushing and receiving. Those are the kinds of stats that scream JAG for a rookie season, right? I think he'll struggle to get 60 targets on that offense and project him into the 40/525/4 range. OTOH, I see Walker (of whom I own no shares) in the 220/1000/8 and 30/250/1 range. I just don't see the upside of Jamo in this trade as anything other than a dart throw add-on to equilibrate Spears in the eyes of a trade calculator. Again, IMO.

Screams JAG? Lol ok

What does this statline for 2023 scream to you?

24 REC

354 Yds

14.8 Avg

63 Lng

2 TDs

I'm not drafting his 2023 stat

I think Jamo should be valued higher than Walker

I don't hate the trade but I wouldn't have done it personally. However, as to this quote -- and I get it, it's your opinion --, that is quite an extremely long limb you're out on.

Says you. And it's ok. But Walker has what maybe three years of solid to elite production IF everything continues to work out for him (and I don't fear it won't) compared to an ascending young WR on a strong offense. Simply from a dynasty franchise value perspective (which is how I do things around here) I have them as about equal. A possible tiebreaker for Walker is that he is a RB a possible tiebreaker for Jamo is that his WR arc can/will/might last much much longer. My tiebreaker is that he might be special and Walker is Walker (which I don't mind really).

My value system has Walker at 25 and Jamo at 27. Negligible difference but it is a very similar system as Hindery. Hindery has Walker at 17.5 and Jamo at 8.1 and Spears at 7.5 (I have Spears at 17) so Hindery would prefer the Walker side as well (and is a fan) 17.5-15.6 which I would argue is not a bad loss (on paper) to make a fair and speculative trade.

By my calc I won 44 to 32 which is around a free early second round pick. The 32 is from 25 for Walker and 7 for the roster spot that I took on by adding a player. That's a penalty.

Respectfully, agree with eighsse2. Jamo hasn't topped 70 yards, 8 targets or 5 receptions yet in (between ACL and hammy injuries) what amounts to a full season between 22 and 23. If we put those two season together, he had under 500 yards total rushing and receiving. Those are the kinds of stats that scream JAG for a rookie season, right? I think he'll struggle to get 60 targets on that offense and project him into the 40/525/4 range. OTOH, I see Walker (of whom I own no shares) in the 220/1000/8 and 30/250/1 range. I just don't see the upside of Jamo in this trade as anything other than a dart throw add-on to equilibrate Spears in the eyes of a trade calculator. Again, IMO.

Screams JAG? Lol ok

What does this statline for 2023 scream to you?

24 REC

354 Yds

14.8 Avg

63 Lng

2 TDs

I'm not drafting his 2023 stat line

Of course not. He's probably got a good bit of value/upside at his ADP of WR54 in redraft, but that has no bearing on the original topic/trade. I question valuing Jameson and KWIII so closely, though. To me, in the formats in which I generally play, there is quite a bit larger spread. Heck in the generic FBG dynasty rankings, KWIII is in the mid 50s and Jameson is in the 130s.

We just have vastly differing values fore Jameson it appears, and that's ok.

I literally posted above about how the market sees it differently. Even used Hindery as a source (FBG writer) and you come back at me with "heck even FBG dynasty rankings". And don't come at me with a weak myopic 2023 stat and then respond that my response has no bearing. That's ****ing dumb and inauthentic.

Weak myopic stat? WTF are you on about? It is downright common to use rookie statlines as a guide for predicting WR production year 2 and up. Since Jamo had zero actual stats other than games played in 2022, 2023 was his first actual year with any kind of production. The 525 yard rule of thumb is alive and well (https://www.profootballnetwork.com/...eans-for-rookie-wrs-dynasty-fantasy-football/). His 2023 production was JAG worth, hence the comment. Your confirmation bias is showing with the Hindry example. He is the outlier in that group. Most of the FBG staff project Jamo WAY lower.

 

[barackdhouse]

I think Jamo should be valued higher than Walker

I don't hate the trade but I wouldn't have done it personally. However, as to this quote -- and I get it, it's your opinion --, that is quite an extremely long limb you're out on.

Says you. And it's ok. But Walker has what maybe three years of solid to elite production IF everything continues to work out for him (and I don't fear it won't) compared to an ascending young WR on a strong offense. Simply from a dynasty franchise value perspective (which is how I do things around here) I have them as about equal. A possible tiebreaker for Walker is that he is a RB a possible tiebreaker for Jamo is that his WR arc can/will/might last much much longer. My tiebreaker is that he might be special and Walker is Walker (which I don't mind really).

My value system has Walker at 25 and Jamo at 27. Negligible difference but it is a very similar system as Hindery. Hindery has Walker at 17.5 and Jamo at 8.1 and Spears at 7.5 (I have Spears at 17) so Hindery would prefer the Walker side as well (and is a fan) 17.5-15.6 which I would argue is not a bad loss (on paper) to make a fair and speculative trade.

By my calc I won 44 to 32 which is around a free early second round pick. The 32 is from 25 for Walker and 7 for the roster spot that I took on by adding a player. That's a penalty.

Respectfully, agree with eighsse2. Jamo hasn't topped 70 yards, 8 targets or 5 receptions yet in (between ACL and hammy injuries) what amounts to a full season between 22 and 23. If we put those two season together, he had under 500 yards total rushing and receiving. Those are the kinds of stats that scream JAG for a rookie season, right? I think he'll struggle to get 60 targets on that offense and project him into the 40/525/4 range. OTOH, I see Walker (of whom I own no shares) in the 220/1000/8 and 30/250/1 range. I just don't see the upside of Jamo in this trade as anything other than a dart throw add-on to equilibrate Spears in the eyes of a trade calculator. Again, IMO.

Screams JAG? Lol ok

What does this statline for 2023 scream to you?

24 REC

354 Yds

14.8 Avg

63 Lng

2 TDs

I'm not drafting his 2023 stat

I think Jamo should be valued higher than Walker

I don't hate the trade but I wouldn't have done it personally. However, as to this quote -- and I get it, it's your opinion --, that is quite an extremely long limb you're out on.

Says you. And it's ok. But Walker has what maybe three years of solid to elite production IF everything continues to work out for him (and I don't fear it won't) compared to an ascending young WR on a strong offense. Simply from a dynasty franchise value perspective (which is how I do things around here) I have them as about equal. A possible tiebreaker for Walker is that he is a RB a possible tiebreaker for Jamo is that his WR arc can/will/might last much much longer. My tiebreaker is that he might be special and Walker is Walker (which I don't mind really).

My value system has Walker at 25 and Jamo at 27. Negligible difference but it is a very similar system as Hindery. Hindery has Walker at 17.5 and Jamo at 8.1 and Spears at 7.5 (I have Spears at 17) so Hindery would prefer the Walker side as well (and is a fan) 17.5-15.6 which I would argue is not a bad loss (on paper) to make a fair and speculative trade.

By my calc I won 44 to 32 which is around a free early second round pick. The 32 is from 25 for Walker and 7 for the roster spot that I took on by adding a player. That's a penalty.

Respectfully, agree with eighsse2. Jamo hasn't topped 70 yards, 8 targets or 5 receptions yet in (between ACL and hammy injuries) what amounts to a full season between 22 and 23. If we put those two season together, he had under 500 yards total rushing and receiving. Those are the kinds of stats that scream JAG for a rookie season, right? I think he'll struggle to get 60 targets on that offense and project him into the 40/525/4 range. OTOH, I see Walker (of whom I own no shares) in the 220/1000/8 and 30/250/1 range. I just don't see the upside of Jamo in this trade as anything other than a dart throw add-on to equilibrate Spears in the eyes of a trade calculator. Again, IMO.

Screams JAG? Lol ok

What does this statline for 2023 scream to you?

24 REC

354 Yds

14.8 Avg

63 Lng

2 TDs

I'm not drafting his 2023 stat line

Of course not. He's probably got a good bit of value/upside at his ADP of WR54 in redraft, but that has no bearing on the original topic/trade. I question valuing Jameson and KWIII so closely, though. To me, in the formats in which I generally play, there is quite a bit larger spread. Heck in the generic FBG dynasty rankings, KWIII is in the mid 50s and Jameson is in the 130s.

We just have vastly differing values fore Jameson it appears, and that's ok.

I literally posted above about how the market sees it differently. Even used Hindery as a source (FBG writer) and you come back at me with "heck even FBG dynasty rankings". And don't come at me with a weak myopic 2023 stat and then respond that my response has no bearing. That's ****ing dumb and inauthentic.

Weak myopic stat? WTF are you on about? It is downright common to use rookie statlines as a guide for predicting WR production year 2 and up. Since Jamo had zero actual stats other than games played in 2022, 2023 was his first actual year with any kind of production. The 525 yard rule of thumb is alive and well (https://www.profootballnetwork.com/...eans-for-rookie-wrs-dynasty-fantasy-football/). His 2023 production was JAG worth, hence the comment. Your confirmation bias is showing with the Hindry example. He is the outlier in that group. Most of the FBG staff project Jamo WAY lower.

you *still* haven't read what you're replying to.

Hindery is on your side on this and I already explained that. He isn't an outlier. I am. You need to read what you reply to if you want my respect around here.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

you *still* haven't read what you're replying to.

Isn't that a U2 song?

 

[barackdhouse]

And I am well aware of the 500 yard concept for rookies and largely agree actually. But he missed lots of games and that context is completely missing when you only look at the raw end of season numbers in this case. It isn't a defendable argument to use this 500 yard concept as a reason to exclude him *IF* he missed lots of games which he did. That is poor process.

 

[JAL56]

10 team PPR, start 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 3 Flex
For context, I am currently stacked at WR (AJB, Olave, London, Pittman, Flowers, Rice, D.Johnson, also Mingo/Hyatt/Iosivas at the end of my bench). I have Andrews and Freiermuth at TE so I feel solid there, and with Goff/Cousins/Young/Levis I feel like I can make it work at QB. Only position I feel weak at is RB (KWalker, Spears, McLaughlin, KMiller, CBrown) We have not had our rookie draft yet, but I have the 3rd, 7th, and 13th picks.

I've got two potential trades here where I'm letting go of some of my receiving strength for RBs. We have gone back and forth and here we have come to a bit of a stalemate, but I'm wondering if I'm being too stingy.

Trade 1
Team A(me) receives Tony Pollard, Javonte Williams, Jaxon Smith-Njigba, 2025 2nd rounder
Team B receives Chase Brown, Rashee Rice, 7th pick, 13th pick
The only reason I'm considering this is that I also have Spears and McLaughlin, so if one player takes over either backfield, I'll have both guys just in case. However I feel like I might be giving up too much for that safety net.

Trade 2
Team A receives Rhamondre Stevenson, Josh Jacobs, Chris Godwin
Team B receives Michael Pittman, Zay Flowers, Andrei Iosivas
Here, I'm getting 2 RBs who will likely be #2&#3 on my team, but giving up two WRs who I think have more value but are currently my 4th&5th receivers. I do also get Godwin in return

Any thoughts? Should I take either of these, and if not, is there anything minor that would make them acceptable?

 

[King of the Jungle]

10 team PPR, start 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 3 Flex
For context, I am currently stacked at WR (AJB, Olave, London, Pittman, Flowers, Rice, D.Johnson, also Mingo/Hyatt/Iosivas at the end of my bench). I have Andrews and Freiermuth at TE so I feel solid there, and with Goff/Cousins/Young/Levis I feel like I can make it work at QB. Only position I feel weak at is RB (KWalker, Spears, McLaughlin, KMiller, CBrown) We have not had our rookie draft yet, but I have the 3rd, 7th, and 13th picks.

I've got two potential trades here where I'm letting go of some of my receiving strength for RBs. We have gone back and forth and here we have come to a bit of a stalemate, but I'm wondering if I'm being too stingy.

Trade 1
Team A(me) receives Tony Pollard, Javonte Williams, Jaxon Smith-Njigba, 2025 2nd rounder
Team B receives Chase Brown, Rashee Rice, 7th pick, 13th pick
The only reason I'm considering this is that I also have Spears and McLaughlin, so if one player takes over either backfield, I'll have both guys just in case. However I feel like I might be giving up too much for that safety net.

Trade 2
Team A receives Rhamondre Stevenson, Josh Jacobs, Chris Godwin
Team B receives Michael Pittman, Zay Flowers, Andrei Iosivas
Here, I'm getting 2 RBs who will likely be #2&#3 on my team, but giving up two WRs who I think have more value but are currently my 4th&5th receivers. I do also get Godwin in return

Any thoughts? Should I take either of these, and if not, is there anything minor that would make them acceptable?

I prefer trade 1 over trade two, however would not pull the trigger on either. The second trade I would consider if I could eliminate Flowers/Godwin from the trade and replace Flowers with another mid player or 2nd rounder if I needed RB help.

 

[Birdie048]

Nothing shocking here….12 Team 1QB PPR
Team A gives up mid-late 3rd
Team B gives up Pit QB Russ Wilson

Note: league going SF 2026
And Team A owns Fields

 

[JohnnyU]

I gave a 2025 4th round rookie pick for Dalton Schultz for some 2024 TE insurance. No big deal if it doesn’t work out.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Nothing shocking here….12 Team 1QB PPR
Team A gives up mid-late 3rd
Team B gives up Pit QB Russ Wilson

Note: league going SF 2026
And Team A owns Fields

Sensible deal, reasonable price.

 

[BearsFan4Life]

14 Team .. Standard Scoring

JTaylor

for

2025 1st - Mid
2025 1st - Late
2025 3rd - Mid

Seems pretty reasonably priced in a 14 team league. I’d pay that for JT.

I was surprised as well. Loaded at RB.. staring CMC, JT, Barkley with JJacobs and Etienne on the bench. Only have to start 1 WR and that is ARSB with Aiyuk, Higgins, Dell, Njigba. Embarrassing amount of riches.

 

[BearsFan4Life]

16 team .. Standard Scoring, not SF

2 trades happened in the league

Chase
for
Aiyuk, 1.09, 2.09

Hurts, KWalker III, 1.14
for
Goff, Waddle, Dell

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

16 team .. Standard Scoring, not SF

2 trades happened in the league

Chase
for
Aiyuk, 1.09, 2.09

Paying a lot for Chase.

but as late as those picks are it’s a fair deal & I could see buying Chase for that. I just bought Chase for Bijan, and I wouldn’t sell Bijan for that package, so the math says I should be on the Chase side.

Hurts, KWalker III, 1.14
for
Goff, Waddle, Dell

Hurts+KWIII+1.14 for me

But it’s a fun deal, and I think it’s fair. A case can def be made for the Goff package. Dell’s small, and Waddle seems to be chronically dinged up, plus standard 1 QB, Hurts should be more valuable.

 

[BearsFan4Life]

16 team .. Standard Scoring, not SF

2 trades happened in the league

Chase
for
Aiyuk, 1.09, 2.09

Paying a lot for Chase.

but as late as those picks are it’s a fair deal & I could see buying Chase for that. I just bought Chase for Bijan, and I wouldn’t sell Bijan for that package, so the math says I should be on the Chase side.

Hurts, KWalker III, 1.14
for
Goff, Waddle, Dell

Hurts+KWIII+1.14 for me

But it’s a fun deal, and I think it’s fair. A case can def be made for the Goff package. Dell’s small, and Waddle seems to be chronically dinged up, plus standard 1 QB, Hurts should be more valuable.

I was not part of the Chase deal, but was the team in the 2nd deal that got Goff, Dell, Waddle, and also Sutton was thrown in last second.

I just took over this team and Hurts and Walker were 2 best players. Hollywood and Jacobi were the best WR. I also traded Jameson Williams for Addison today. So Waddle, Dell, Addison, and Sutton was a vast improvement along with Kincaid at TE. Too bad my only RB is Brian Robinson, but only have to start 1 RB.

 

[Blick]

16 team .. Standard Scoring, not SF

2 trades happened in the league

Chase
for
Aiyuk, 1.09, 2.09

Hurts, KWalker III, 1.14
for
Goff, Waddle, Dell

I’d easily pay that for Chase.

If Goff becomes your starter, then give me the Hurts side. If not, give me Waddle and Dell.

 

[Birdie048]

12 Team Short Bench 1 QB non-PPR Std Scoring 1 Flex TE Required to start

Team A Got: Was TE Ben Sinnott + 2025 5th (late)
Team B Got: Chi TE Cole Kmet + 2025 1st (late)

Team A has Kincaid
Team B has TJ Hock + JJohnson at TE (both injured)

 

[Blick]

12 Team Short Bench 1 QB non-PPR Std Scoring 1 Flex TE Required to start

Team A Got: Was TE Ben Sinnott + 2025 5th (late)
Team B Got: Chi TE Cole Kmet + 2025 1st (late)

Team A has Kincaid
Team B has TJ Hock + JJohnson at TE (both injured)

I have to be missing something here. Feels like a free 2025 1st.

 

[Birdie048]

12 Team Short Bench 1 QB non-PPR Std Scoring 1 Flex TE Required to start

Team A Got: Was TE Ben Sinnott + 2025 5th (late)
Team B Got: Chi TE Cole Kmet + 2025 1st (late)

Team A has Kincaid
Team B has TJ Hock + JJohnson at TE (both injured)

I have to be missing something here. Feels like a free 2025 1st.

COMPLETELY AGREE! I was disappointed I did not get a chance to offer a TE for the pick

 

[BearsFan4Life]

16 team .. Standard Scoring, not SF

2 trades happened in the league

Chase
for
Aiyuk, 1.09, 2.09

Hurts, KWalker III, 1.14
for
Goff, Waddle, Dell

I’d easily pay that for Chase.

If Goff becomes your starter, then give me the Hurts side. If not, give me Waddle and Dell.

16 team league

Before trades lineup:
Hurts, Walker III, Robinson Jr, EElliot, Hollywood, Kincaid

After trade lineup:
Goff, Robinson Jr, Waddle, Dell, Addison or Sutton, Kincaid

At least I field a lineup now.. have some work to do, but that's why it was an orphaned team.

 

[Atomic Punk]

Two deals in one of my leagues (standard ppr). The first is mine, the second is surprising.

Gave: Marshawn Lloyd, Kimani Vidal, Will Levis
Got: Najee Harris, Marvin Mims

Gave: Ceedee Lamb
Got: Saquon Barkley

If I knew the team was shopping Lamb, I would have offered JT or Gibbs …

 

[Ray Barboni]

Two deals in one of my leagues (standard ppr). The first is mine, the second is surprising.

Gave: Marshawn Lloyd, Kimani Vidal, Will Levis
Got: Najee Harris, Marvin Mims

Gave: Ceedee Lamb
Got: Saquon Barkley

If I knew the team was shopping Lamb, I would have offered JT or Gibbs …

That deal for Ceedee is, yuckee

 

[Edgar]

Two deals in one of my leagues (standard ppr). The first is mine, the second is surprising.

Gave: Marshawn Lloyd, Kimani Vidal, Will Levis
Got: Najee Harris, Marvin Mims

Gave: Ceedee Lamb
Got: Saquon Barkley

If I knew the team was shopping Lamb, I would have offered JT or Gibbs …

That deal for Ceedee is, yuckee

Ceedee by 2-3 firsts

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Two deals in one of my leagues (standard ppr). The first is mine, the second is surprising.

Gave: Marshawn Lloyd, Kimani Vidal, Will Levis
Got: Najee Harris, Marvin Mims

Don’t mind it if you had the depth to spare the parts. Vidal’s a guy I would like to hold onto. He’s looked good.

Gave: Ceedee Lamb
Got: Saquon Barkley

If I knew the team was shopping Lamb, I would have offered JT or Gibbs …

That’s a bargain for Lamb. I can’t believe anyone would give up Lamb for a 27 y/o RB.

 

[Atomic Punk]

I thought I may have been overreacting, but that was my sense as well on the Ceedee trade.

As for my trade, I need to make some room before cuts and generally like to shake my roster up if I can. I’m not super high on Harris but I have a good vibe bout Mims and think his value will increase as the year goes on.

 

[Born to Run]

FFPC 12 team SF

gave: Jaylen brothers (Wright & Warren)

got: Jaxon Smith-Njigba, 2025 3rd

Really hated giving up Wright; he's looking good! Smith-Njigba is in position for multiple years of WR1/2 success. The 3rd is nice, but I also save a roster spot.

 

[BearsFan4Life]

16 Team Standard Scoring... no TE premium

Kincaid and Hollywood

for

London

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

16 Team Standard Scoring... no TE premium

Kincaid and Hollywood

for

London

Non TE makes it very close.

I’d have to see the rosters. I’m still not completely sold on London, so hard to say which side I like. Hollywood & Hock both hurt - yeah; it’s fair, probably.

 

[TVT 0 N S T A]

Home league:

PPR - 4 flex + 2RB, 2WR - thoughts on this trade:

Zay Flowers + Trey Benson + 2025 1st (likely late) for Malik Nabers?

This is definitely not a hometown discount. My stance - I am higher on Benson going forward than I am on Zay Flowers. Historically, Lamar hasn't been great to WR's in the presence of Mark Andrews and I see a regression here. I have a pretty deep team and can give up some depth but this is far from a smoking hot deal. I think I do this deal though, right?

 

[Ray Barboni]

Home league:

PPR - 4 flex + 2RB, 2WR - thoughts on this trade:

Zay Flowers + Trey Benson + 2025 1st (likely late) for Malik Nabers?

This is definitely not a hometown discount. My stance - I am higher on Benson going forward than I am on Zay Flowers. Historically, Lamar hasn't been great to WR's in the presence of Mark Andrews and I see a regression here. I have a pretty deep team and can give up some depth but this is far from a smoking hot deal. I think I do this deal though, right?

Absolutely take the Nabors side

 

[Jayded]

Gave a lot....almost didn't want to post it to avoid the roasting, but for transparency's sake since it sounds like other offers were actually closer than I realized I had to go over the top to make it happen....

14 team Dynasty, TE Premium, PPR, IDP

I gave : TJ Hockenson, Zach Charbonnet, Dylan Laube
I got : Saquon Barkley

Value told me the first two was already enough and maybe a little over. Adding Laube felt like it was going above and beyond, but other option there was Keaton Mitchell. I preferred Mitchell to Laube but he had them even and deal was done. My RBs in that league are complete trash (RB1 = Najee) but looked good a few years ago when I inherited the team (Fournette, Najee, Dameon Pierce) so I needed to at least have one should-be RB on the roster at the expense of Hock, where TE is a strength of the team to allow me to do that.

 

[Birdie048]

Gave a lot....almost didn't want to post it to avoid the roasting, but for transparency's sake since it sounds like other offers were actually closer than I realized I had to go over the top to make it happen....

14 team Dynasty, TE Premium, PPR, IDP

I gave : TJ Hockenson, Zach Charbonnet, Dylan Laube
I got : Saquon Barkley

Value told me the first two was already enough and maybe a little over. Adding Laube felt like it was going above and beyond, but other option there was Keaton Mitchell. I preferred Mitchell to Laube but he had them even and deal was done. My RBs in that league are complete trash (RB1 = Najee) but looked good a few years ago when I inherited the team (Fournette, Najee, Dameon Pierce) so I needed to at least have one should-be RB on the roster at the expense of Hock, where TE is a strength of the team to allow me to do that.

WOW ... Good to show this for me. TY ... food for thought

I declined a recent offer of Saq Barkley, Justice Hill & Keenan Allen for my Brock Bowers (1.04 pick), Sinnott (3.03) & Shakir plus early 2025 2nd (likely 2.01 as it is his pick)
I had offered Sinnott, Addison, Z White for the same package, when he said no to Addison, I replace it with a mid 2nd (rejected)

 

[Jayded]

Gave a lot....almost didn't want to post it to avoid the roasting, but for transparency's sake since it sounds like other offers were actually closer than I realized I had to go over the top to make it happen....

14 team Dynasty, TE Premium, PPR, IDP

I gave : TJ Hockenson, Zach Charbonnet, Dylan Laube
I got : Saquon Barkley

Value told me the first two was already enough and maybe a little over. Adding Laube felt like it was going above and beyond, but other option there was Keaton Mitchell. I preferred Mitchell to Laube but he had them even and deal was done. My RBs in that league are complete trash (RB1 = Najee) but looked good a few years ago when I inherited the team (Fournette, Najee, Dameon Pierce) so I needed to at least have one should-be RB on the roster at the expense of Hock, where TE is a strength of the team to allow me to do that.

WOW ... Good to show this for me. TY ... food for thought

I declined a recent offer of Saq Barkley, Justice Hill & Keenan Allen for my Brock Bowers (1.04 pick), Sinnott (3.03) & Shakir plus early 2025 2nd (likely 2.01 as it is his pick)
I had offered Sinnott, Addison, Z White for the same package, when he said no to Addison, I replace it with a mid 2nd (rejected)

Trading partner was pretty transparent with me. He was getting 25 1st + 25 2nd + young RB sorts of deals otherwise for Saquon. The reason he wanted to work with me was because of Hock. He needed a TE for the long haul and I needed a "trustworthy" RB option. Given that, I was surprised we were in the ballpark but the value calculators were yelling at me doing Hock + Charb already. Once I heard others were throwing that much at him, I had to kinda come up a little even if Laube turns into a decent flex option.

To be super fair as well, I forgot an important word in my description : Devy. Our draft picks aren't necessarily the same as it may look depending upon who is already owned year to year.

 

[-OZ-]

FFPC 12 team SF

gave: Jaylen brothers (Wright & Warren)

got: Jaxon Smith-Njigba, 2025 3rd

Really hated giving up Wright; he's looking good! Smith-Njigba is in position for multiple years of WR1/2 success. The 3rd is nice, but I also save a roster spot.

I take jsn but it’s close if you’re buying the hype