InDitkaWeTrust
Footballguy
That's a steal for Burrow in SF. I'm high on Bucky, but if that were offered to me, I'd take it all day long.
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****OFFICIAL DYNASTY TRADES**** (9 Viewers)
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Birdie048
Footballguy
That looks like you under paid for a Top 5 QB in SF!
I agree that it was not cheap but in SF, Any starting QB is valuable ... you got a good deal.
Bucky is a hot take right now, but (minority here) I don't see him as a long term valuable RB due to his size and the brutality of the position. He is just not made for the long term pounding. Bucky is 5'10 & 195 lbs? Nice flash in the pan RB compared to the size of say Saq 6'0" and 233 lb. Do 35 lbs make a difference?
To me... Absolutely in the daily grind and punishment of RB in NFL.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
That’s an absolute steal
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
I admittingly am relatively new to SF (especially Dynasty SF) and the .5 first downs for RBs/WRs does help mitigate the SF aspect a little.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
I live in Oregon so Bucky is really hot right now in fantasy leagues. I am high on him as well after watching a ton of him in college but a bad combine and his size does scare me some too.
Big Nate
Footballguy
It is a fair price for Burrow. I would have acquired Burrow - especially with 6pt passing TDs - that is big. RBs come and go but Burrow can be your QB for a while.
Not sure how big your benches are but I would be trying to stash back-up QBs and backup RBs as much as you can. Starting 3 WRs means you need depth at WR but I always love having those back-up QBs and RBs that end up in a starting role as trade bait to boost my WRs if needed. Or plug and play the new found toy as needed.
QBs like Burrow are better to own than RBs that can be replaced on short notice.
darksideofoz
Footballguy
Just traded Evan Engram for 2 years at $3.63
for
Brandon Aiyuk 3 years at $19.80 and Wan'Dale Robinson 1 year at $0.95
0.5 ppr and 0.5 ppfd, start 2 rb, 3 wr, 1 te and 2 flex. My cap is $285.24.
I took over an orphaned team and am in rebuild mode. Engram just isn't part of my rebuild plans, even though I was excited to see he was on the team when I took it over.
The other owner desperately needed some cap space. Even after making that trade and some other moves, I have over $120 in cap space and the 2nd most space in the league. I really needed to build up my WR corps as I only had Pearsall on the team when I took it over. Also picked up Nico since then.
for
Brandon Aiyuk 3 years at $19.80 and Wan'Dale Robinson 1 year at $0.95
0.5 ppr and 0.5 ppfd, start 2 rb, 3 wr, 1 te and 2 flex. My cap is $285.24.
I took over an orphaned team and am in rebuild mode. Engram just isn't part of my rebuild plans, even though I was excited to see he was on the team when I took it over.
The other owner desperately needed some cap space. Even after making that trade and some other moves, I have over $120 in cap space and the 2nd most space in the league. I really needed to build up my WR corps as I only had Pearsall on the team when I took it over. Also picked up Nico since then.
Gottabesweet
Footballguy
1.7 (Loveland)
For 1.8 (Warren) and 2.12
For 1.8 (Warren) and 2.12
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Gottabesweet
Footballguy
3.4 and 3.10 for Elijah Moore, Josh Palmer, Ty Johnson
PPR.
PPR.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Sounds to me like the same guy owns both teams
Marauder
Footballguy
Wait, What? Loveland went at 1.07 and Tyler Warren fell to 2.12? Great deal for that guy.
Gottabesweet
Footballguy
No he went 1.8 right after. 2.12 hasn’t happened yet. Fixed.
Gottabesweet
Footballguy
2.1 (Golden) for Trevor Lawrence
1 QB league
1 QB league
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Gottabesweet
Footballguy
Ekeler for 2026 3rd PPR.
Pollard, 3rd, 4th for Zamir White and 6th to Jentry owner. (/puzzled)
Pick 13 for 19 and 24
Kelce for a 2026 1st and 2nd.
Chubb for a 2026 2nd
Pollard, 3rd, 4th for Zamir White and 6th to Jentry owner. (/puzzled)
Pick 13 for 19 and 24
Kelce for a 2026 1st and 2nd.
Chubb for a 2026 2nd
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Birdie048
Footballguy
These make ZERO SENSE ...
Why give up anything for ZWhite?
Kelce is still something (THIS YEAR), but a 1st & 2nd is WAY TOO much for him. the 2nd alone would be reasonable IMO, if it's not too early.
Birdie048
Footballguy
OK.. I pulled the trigger.... 12 Team 0.5PPR 1 QB TE+ (going SF in 2026) start 1-3 RB
I gave RB Bhashyul Tuten Jax RB
I received Jordan Mason Min RB
My RBs: Walker/Charbs, Kamara/Miller, RWhite, AJones, JBlue
A Jones 31 yo this Dec is due for the cliff ... and I paid 2.09 for Tuten
I gave RB Bhashyul Tuten Jax RB
I received Jordan Mason Min RB
My RBs: Walker/Charbs, Kamara/Miller, RWhite, AJones, JBlue
A Jones 31 yo this Dec is due for the cliff ... and I paid 2.09 for Tuten
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
I like Bucky more than most but I agree with everyone else, that is a no brainer smash accept for Burrow in SF.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
35lbs definitely makes a difference but does 4lbs? 10lbs?
Jamaal Charles was 199lbs and there are quite a few RBs in the 205lb range and under that had good careers.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Get your guy trade. If you prefer Loveland no issue with the cost to get him.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Draft picks by a mile.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
If guy getting Lawrence needs a QB, that's about the price.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
3rd > Ekeler.
Pollard side by a mile. WTF?
Fair enough
2026 picks > Kelce by a ton.
2026 2nd > Chubb by a lot
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I didn’t know I had another brother.
wgoldsph
Footballguy
I'm lost... In 1qb Lawrence is a low end starter at best. Golden has a chance to become wr1 of gb.
How is this any thing besides a total steal for the Golden side?
Gottabesweet
Footballguy
Calvin Ridley, 5.3
For
3.2 (Noel)
For
3.2 (Noel)
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
About a 2 round difference in rankings/ADP or whatever. The WR around Lawrence are Kupp and Keon Coleman. Neither one of those is getting Lawrence in a dynasty trade from my experience.
Lawrence could also break out with his talent, better coaching, and a great WR room with the addition of Hunter while Golden could just be another body in the Doubs/Reed/Watson/Wicks rotation.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
The 5.3 is an unnecessary throw-in. If you can compete and need a WR I can see Ridley but otherwise I'd take the 3.2. I'm also not a fan of the Titans offense and Ridley is already on the wrong side of 30.
wgoldsph
Footballguy
You're telling me that in a one qb dynasty people don't want to give up their qb2 for late 1st/early 2nd round picks like Coleman and Golden?
I want to be in the leagues you're in, because I can never get the guy who has no qb to give me a 3rd for a guy who puts up Lawrence's numbers.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I didn't say I would have done it. I prefer the Golden side in a 1qb league.
Agreed, 2.1 is what I’d be willing to pay in 1QB IF he actually has a good year this year with the additions of Hunter and Coen. As it is those things are far from a guarantee and JAX is hardly the model of stability or success for decades. Buying high into the hype on TLaw and Coen. It may payoff but its hardly a cheap price for the gamble.
wgoldsph
Footballguy
So you're really banking on that 5th year break out.
Like was said above... This is how you lose in dynasty
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Yeah, historically that 2.01 pick is winning dynasty leagues. How did 2024 Jaylen Wright work out? 2023 Jon Mingo? 2022 Rachaad White? 2021 Rondale Moore? That's as far back as Fantasy Pros rookie ADP goes but I'm sure you can find a decent 2.01 somewhere after making such a definitive statement.
wgoldsph
Footballguy
Jaylen Wright? I think you mean Pearsal or Bucky Irving. Wright was barely top 30.
Jon Mingo? You mean Jayden Reed or LaPorta? Mingo was late teens.
White at least was going around there. So was James Cook and Trey Benson.
So yeah if you don't know what you're doing then I guess it's a good trade.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
There are a lot of hooting retrospectively.
wgoldsph
Footballguy
What I mean is you can get the upside they offer or you can get a qb who has never been higher than 12 in ppr points per game.
Lawrence isn't elite. This isn't year two, this is year five. He might not even be good. But you're paying LaPorta price for the potential that he can be Baker Mayfield last year.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Spare me your arrogant BS. Go scream into a wall and argue with Fantasy Pros.
https://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/adp/rookies.php?year=2024 - #13 is Jaylen Wright
https://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/adp/rookies.php?year=2023 - #13 is Jon Mingo
https://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/adp/rookies.php?year=2022 - #13 is Rachaad White
https://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/adp/rookies.php?year=2021 - #13 is Rondale Moore
When you have to cherry pick examples to make a good point, you clearly communicate you have no idea what you're talking about. You started the entire thing cherry picking as if Golden will become Randy Moss and Lawrence is Nathan Peterman.
Here are some 2.01 picks of actual dynasty leagues I am in.
2024: Trey Benson, Jaylen Wright, JJ McCarthy (Wright was 2.02)
Bucky Irving was 4.11, 4.08, 4.05
2023: Michael Mayer, Roschon Johnson, Kendre Miller
Jayden Reed was 3.05, 3.05, 3.06
2022: Dameon Pierce, George Pickens, Jalen Tolbert
2021: Rashod Bateman, Trey Lance, Rondale Moore
Is George Pickens a dynasty league winner? Because for a guy that claims that taking Lawrence over the 2.01 is how you lose in dynasty this is quite a laughable list of guys actually drafted and not your fantasy cherry picking in retrospect. Can you show where your genius fantasy manager skills actually drafted Bucky Irving at 2.01? Thanks in advance.
wgoldsph
Footballguy
Show me the time in Lawrences career that makes him worth a pick trade at all. Thanks in advance.
Edit - I started this by saying a low end maybe starter isn't worth a 2nd. And I'll stick by it
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Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Yeah, he is better than every pick I showed you other than maybe Pickens. Stop creating a straw man argument and being a tool.
You want Golden over Lawrence? Have at it. No issues. You want to jump in here and claim you're some dynasty expert and people that take Lawrence are losers completely ignoring his new coach just gave Mayfield a career year and he added Travis Hunter as a weapon to Brian Thomas Jr. then ignore it. I don't care. You don't need to make up clearly verifiable BS to make your point while being arrogant about it.
I'm not even claiming Lawrence will win your dynasty league. All I ever said is the 2.01 is roughly the price you're paying for Lawrence if you need a QB.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
By the way, before thinking you're the smartest guy in the room screaming about a Lawrence 5th year break out, take a deep breath and realize Liam Coen just created a 7th year breakout from Baker Mayfield.
wgoldsph
Footballguy
You're really upset here pal. Take a minute.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Not upset at all. Just appreciate good discussion and going to call out your arrogant BS if you want to keep throwing my way. I noticed you still can't produce a single link to any of your claims.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
It's not terrible and I'm all for someone getting their guy if they believe, but assuming it's a 12 team league, I think Baker is a great example of why this is such a bad deal for the guy getting Lawrence.
Because even Baker, coming off a 4500/41 season, is probably attainable for a late 1st in a lot of 12 team leagues. Even if Lawrence hits a homerun this year, you probably wouldn't have to pay that much more for Lawrence than was paid here at that point. At this price, he's nearly priced with a big breakout already priced in.
It's definitely fair to say there have been plenty of busts at 2.01. But there have been a lot of real difference makers selected in that area too. Obviously the exact 2.01 will vary league to league, but guys that generally went in that range (1.11 - 2.03 ish) in the last few years include...
DeVone Achane, Rashee Rice, James Cook, Tee Higgins
Yes, LOTS of busts mixed in there as well. But the simple fact that there are quite a few guys to cherry pick from in that draft range is enough to make it the obvious choice to me, because for late breakout QBs there aren't even really cherry picked options. Baker is pretty much the best case scenario, but even coming off of that season he's still worth less than any of those guys above, and a lot less than most of them.
Both the 2.01 and Lawrence are relatively low percentage chances they'll hit, but the 2.01 at least offers real supreme upside if it does, while Lawrence realistically does not unless he suddenly throws for 5000 yards and 55 TDs which I think we can all agree is much less likely than 2.01 turning into a top 30 dynasty player. Even if Lawrence has a nice bounce back season where he throws for 4000 yards and 35 TDs he'd still be acquirable for the 2.01 at that point in most leagues.
EDIT: Just a quick note, I used FFPC ADP. I tried to use fantasypros ADP at first to keep everything the same but I don't think it's accurate. For instance they had Javonte Williams as 2.03 in the rookie draft which is for sure way off (he was a top 5 rookie pick).
Because even Baker, coming off a 4500/41 season, is probably attainable for a late 1st in a lot of 12 team leagues. Even if Lawrence hits a homerun this year, you probably wouldn't have to pay that much more for Lawrence than was paid here at that point. At this price, he's nearly priced with a big breakout already priced in.
It's definitely fair to say there have been plenty of busts at 2.01. But there have been a lot of real difference makers selected in that area too. Obviously the exact 2.01 will vary league to league, but guys that generally went in that range (1.11 - 2.03 ish) in the last few years include...
DeVone Achane, Rashee Rice, James Cook, Tee Higgins
Yes, LOTS of busts mixed in there as well. But the simple fact that there are quite a few guys to cherry pick from in that draft range is enough to make it the obvious choice to me, because for late breakout QBs there aren't even really cherry picked options. Baker is pretty much the best case scenario, but even coming off of that season he's still worth less than any of those guys above, and a lot less than most of them.
Both the 2.01 and Lawrence are relatively low percentage chances they'll hit, but the 2.01 at least offers real supreme upside if it does, while Lawrence realistically does not unless he suddenly throws for 5000 yards and 55 TDs which I think we can all agree is much less likely than 2.01 turning into a top 30 dynasty player. Even if Lawrence has a nice bounce back season where he throws for 4000 yards and 35 TDs he'd still be acquirable for the 2.01 at that point in most leagues.
EDIT: Just a quick note, I used FFPC ADP. I tried to use fantasypros ADP at first to keep everything the same but I don't think it's accurate. For instance they had Javonte Williams as 2.03 in the rookie draft which is for sure way off (he was a top 5 rookie pick).
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Hurl Bruce
Footballguy
Team A gets Sam LaPorta and Tank Bigsby
Team B gets Evan Engram and 2027 1st
12 Team TEP, .5 PPR SF
Which side?
Team B gets Evan Engram and 2027 1st
12 Team TEP, .5 PPR SF
Which side?
JohnnyU
Footballguy
How much ppr for the te? What is the 2007 1st projected to be?
Hurl Bruce
Footballguy
TE gets 1 per receptions, rest get the .5.
Team A is closer to rebuilding than contending, so it all depends how fast the rebuild happens. I'm projecting the pick in the top half of 2027.
wgoldsph
Footballguy
What claims? That the potential for an upside player is worth more than a qb who's yet to have even top ten upside?
Do I need proof of that?
You're the one with the false equivalence here, acting like the specific player assigned to a spot is where they have to be picked. Everyone tiers their rookies, and my point is there were rookies in that tier who are useful, if not studs. Most people have three different options at 2.1, acting like it's Mingo or Lawrence is total "bs". It's the possibility of LaPorta or Mingo or whatever rookie VS Lawrence. A 1/3 shot (hell a one in whatever, it's a low rate of success) of stumbling on the next superstar.
That all aside... Lawrence is still not an elite qb. He doesn't have the rushing upside of a Hunt or the pure pocket brilliance of a Burrow. Even if Lawrence's numbers improve across the board, is he really that much better than, say, Dak Prescott? At least Dak has actually had a good fantasy season before.
And a final note - all I said was Golden has wr1 in the gb offense upside. Suddenly you're reading that he's Randy Moss. No. I never said that, nor thought it.
I do think an upside WR3 in fantasy (which he can easily become) is worth more than being in the bottom half of qb scoring each week. But the crux is really that Lawrence isn't worth a 2nd, let alone one that's almost a first. If you're trading for a qb in a 1qb it's because that's the edge you need to get over the hump. You're trading for a rushing Allen, Daniels, Jackson, Hunt, or Burrow(in no order) those are your five options. Maybe Mahomes if you're a KC frontrunner. Instead of Lawrence, you can play match ups with the waiver wire and get 95% of the same thing.
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