****OFFICIAL DYNASTY TRADES**** (60 Viewers)

[JohnnyU]

Team A gets Sam LaPorta and Tank Bigsby

Team B gets Evan Engram and 2027 1st

12 Team TEP, .5 PPR SF

Which side?

How much ppr for the te? What is the 2007 1st projected to be?

TE gets 1 per receptions, rest get the .5.

Team A is closer to rebuilding than contending, so it all depends how fast the rebuild happens. I'm projecting the pick in the top half of 2027.

Not much of a te premium, so given top half projection for the 2027 pick I would take Engram and the pick. If this were a 2026 1st and assuming 1qB league, I would take LaPorta.

 

[wgoldsph]

Team A gets Sam LaPorta and Tank Bigsby

Team B gets Evan Engram and 2027 1st

12 Team TEP, .5 PPR SF

Which side?

2017 first is so far out it could be anything. Give me LaPorta and Bigsby

 

[BoltNlava]

2017 first is so far out it could be anything.

It could even be a BOAT!

 

[wgoldsph]

2017 first is so far out it could be anything.

It could even be a BOAT!

Remember that time...

 

[JohnnyU]

2017 first is so far out it could be anything.

It could even be a BOAT!

OceanGate Titan.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

By the way, before thinking you're the smartest guy in the room screaming about a Lawrence 5th year break out, take a deep breath and realize Liam Coen just created a 7th year breakout from Baker Mayfield.

You're really upset here pal. Take a minute.

Not upset at all. Just appreciate good discussion and going to call out your arrogant BS if you want to keep throwing my way. I noticed you still can't produce a single link to any of your claims.

What claims? That the potential for an upside player is worth more than a qb who's yet to have even top ten upside?

Do I need proof of that?

You're the one with the false equivalence here, acting like the specific player assigned to a spot is where they have to be picked. Everyone tiers their rookies, and my point is there were rookies in that tier who are useful, if not studs. Most people have three different options at 2.1, acting like it's Mingo or Lawrence is total "bs". It's the possibility of LaPorta or Mingo or whatever rookie VS Lawrence. A 1/3 shot (hell a one in whatever, it's a low rate of success) of stumbling on the next superstar.

That all aside... Lawrence is still not an elite qb. He doesn't have the rushing upside of a Hunt or the pure pocket brilliance of a Burrow. Even if Lawrence's numbers improve across the board, is he really that much better than, say, Dak Prescott? At least Dak has actually had a good fantasy season before.

And a final note - all I said was Golden has wr1 in the gb offense upside. Suddenly you're reading that he's Randy Moss. No. I never said that, nor thought it.
I do think an upside WR3 in fantasy (which he can easily become) is worth more than being in the bottom half of qb scoring each week. But the crux is really that Lawrence isn't worth a 2nd, let alone one that's almost a first. If you're trading for a qb in a 1qb it's because that's the edge you need to get over the hump. You're trading for a rushing Allen, Daniels, Jackson, Hunt, or Burrow(in no order) those are your five options. Maybe Mahomes if you're a KC frontrunner. Instead of Lawrence, you can play match ups with the waiver wire and get 95% of the same thing.

The claims that this is how you lose in dynasty and then making up lies about the 2.01 in previous rookie drafts to justify your mess. I went by ADP and I showed you real life examples. Show me one real draft Bucky Irving went 2.01. You cherry picking the best players to justify your stupid comment about winning and losing is a joke.

Let's continue debating if you want. Golden has WR1 upside in the GB offense. Agreed. So was Romeo Doubs. Is that how you win in dynasty leagues? Whats your point? Lawrence has not lived up to his lofty expectations. No one here has claimed he has. But it's in the realm of possibilities that he has a year 5 breakout since his new coach just gave Baker Mayfield a Year 7 breakout. Agree? Brian Thomas Jr. and Travis Hunter are elite weapons like Mike Evans and Chris Godwin, agree? If Lawrence replicates Mayfield's 2024, then he's worth way more than a 2nd round rookie pick. If he's just QB10-QB18, then he's in the ballpark of a second rounder. Again, look at the ADP of the 2.01 pick recently (not your made up cherry picked examples). And, of course, if Golden turns out to be Rondale Moore or Jon Mingo then Lawrence has already won the trade and if Golden turns out to be Randy Moss then nothing Lawrence does matters.

While you are mumbling nonsense about breakout years, list all the rookie WR that hit big that didn't break out until their 5th year of college and even that took an injury to a teammate. Since you seem to be flag planting Golden.

One can have opinions on either side of the trade. That's why posters ask advice and opinions. But you can seriously spare me your BS about this is how you lose leagues. I can see why you have trouble trading with your leaguemates. I'm out you can have the last word if you need it.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

It's not terrible and I'm all for someone getting their guy if they believe, but assuming it's a 12 team league, I think Baker is a great example of why this is such a bad deal for the guy getting Lawrence.

Because even Baker, coming off a 4500/41 season, is probably attainable for a late 1st in a lot of 12 team leagues. Even if Lawrence hits a homerun this year, you probably wouldn't have to pay that much more for Lawrence than was paid here at that point. At this price, he's nearly priced with a big bounceback already priced in.

It's definitely fair to say there have been plenty of busts at 2.01. But there have been a lot of real difference makers selected in that area too. Obviously the exact 2.01 will vary league to league, but guys that generally went in that range (1.11 - 2.03 ish) in the last few years include...

DeVone Achane, Rashee Rice, James Cook, Tee Higgins

Yes, LOTS of busts mixed in there as well. But the simple fact that there are quite a few guys to cherry pick from in that draft range is enough to make it the obvious choice to me, because for late breakout QBs there aren't even really cherry picked options. Baker is pretty much the best case scenario, but even coming off of that season he's still worth less than any of those guys above, and a lot less than most of them.

Both the 2.01 and Lawrence are relatively low percentage chances they'll hit, but the 2.01 at least offers real supreme upside if it does, while Lawrence realistically does not unless he suddenly throws for 5000 yards and 55 TDs which I think we can all agree is much less likely than 2.01 turning into a top 30 dynasty player. Even if Lawrence has a nice bounce back season where he throws for 4000 yards and 35 TDs he'd still be acquirable for the 2.01 at that point in most leagues.

EDIT: Just a quick note, I used FFPC ADP. I tried to use fantasypros ADP at first to keep everything the same but I don't think it's accurate. For instance they had Javonte Williams as 2.03 in the rookie draft which is for sure way off (he was a top 5 rookie pick).

Yeah, there's so much context missing. The guy that got Lawrence - who are his other QBs? Is the rest of his roster stacked and his best QB Russell Wilson? Great trade. Does he already have Brock Purdy or Dak Prescott? Probably not a great trade.

I don't think he needs to throw for 55 TD to bring value. That's kind of ridiculous for a 2nd round rookie pick. Maybe we should analyze QB trades in 1QB dynasty leagues. In my leagues, no one ever spends startup draft capital on them but when you have one, no one ever sells them cheaply. I'll try to spend some time tonight going through my leagues trade history and see what QBs go for.

I have Matt Stafford as a 3rd QB in one league. Someone offered me Dalton Schultz for him last month. Stafford really has almost no value to me but I declined because Schultz has even less value. If my first two QBs get hurt, Stafford at least gives some 2025 value to my team where Schultz feels like hoping for 5 points if I ever had to play him. I'd rather take the zero at TE than QB if it came to that so why give Stafford away for nothing. I did tell him I would take a rookie 3rd rounder but he declined, and I understand why.

 

[JoeJoe88]

2.1 (Golden) for Trevor Lawrence

1 QB league

2.1 (Golden) for Trevor Lawrence

1 QB league

Fair

I'm lost... In 1qb Lawrence is a low end starter at best. Golden has a chance to become wr1 of gb.

How is this any thing besides a total steal for the Golden side?

Agreed, 2.1 is what I’d be willing to pay in 1QB IF he actually has a good year this year with the additions of Hunter and Coen. As it is those things are far from a guarantee and JAX is hardly the model of stability or success for decades. Buying high into the hype on TLaw and Coen. It may payoff but its

hardly a cheap price for the gamble.

So you're really banking on that 5th year break out.

Like was said above... This is how you lose in dynasty

Yeah, historically that 2.01 pick is winning dynasty leagues. How did 2024 Jaylen Wright work out? 2023 Jon Mingo? 2022 Rachaad White? 2021 Rondale Moore? That's as far back as Fantasy Pros rookie ADP goes but I'm sure you can find a decent 2.01 somewhere after making such a definitive statement.

To be fair, White had a very big hand in helping me win a championship two seasons ago. Pretty sure he was like RB5.

 

[kutta]

Lots of talk about a second round rookie pick and a middle of the road QB…

 

[Joe Bryant]

Folks please chill a bit. We're all in this together trying to get the edges we need.

 

[JohnnyU]

Lots of talk about a second round rookie pick and a middle of the road QB…

What % of 2nd round picks hit?

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

It's not terrible and I'm all for someone getting their guy if they believe, but assuming it's a 12 team league, I think Baker is a great example of why this is such a bad deal for the guy getting Lawrence.

Because even Baker, coming off a 4500/41 season, is probably attainable for a late 1st in a lot of 12 team leagues. Even if Lawrence hits a homerun this year, you probably wouldn't have to pay that much more for Lawrence than was paid here at that point. At this price, he's nearly priced with a big bounceback already priced in.

It's definitely fair to say there have been plenty of busts at 2.01. But there have been a lot of real difference makers selected in that area too. Obviously the exact 2.01 will vary league to league, but guys that generally went in that range (1.11 - 2.03 ish) in the last few years include...

DeVone Achane, Rashee Rice, James Cook, Tee Higgins

Yes, LOTS of busts mixed in there as well. But the simple fact that there are quite a few guys to cherry pick from in that draft range is enough to make it the obvious choice to me, because for late breakout QBs there aren't even really cherry picked options. Baker is pretty much the best case scenario, but even coming off of that season he's still worth less than any of those guys above, and a lot less than most of them.

Both the 2.01 and Lawrence are relatively low percentage chances they'll hit, but the 2.01 at least offers real supreme upside if it does, while Lawrence realistically does not unless he suddenly throws for 5000 yards and 55 TDs which I think we can all agree is much less likely than 2.01 turning into a top 30 dynasty player. Even if Lawrence has a nice bounce back season where he throws for 4000 yards and 35 TDs he'd still be acquirable for the 2.01 at that point in most leagues.

EDIT: Just a quick note, I used FFPC ADP. I tried to use fantasypros ADP at first to keep everything the same but I don't think it's accurate. For instance they had Javonte Williams as 2.03 in the rookie draft which is for sure way off (he was a top 5 rookie pick).

Yeah, there's so much context missing. The guy that got Lawrence - who are his other QBs? Is the rest of his roster stacked and his best QB Russell Wilson? Great trade. Does he already have Brock Purdy or Dak Prescott? Probably not a great trade.

I don't think he needs to throw for 55 TD to bring value. That's kind of ridiculous for a 2nd round rookie pick. Maybe we should analyze QB trades in 1QB dynasty leagues. In my leagues, no one ever spends startup draft capital on them but when you have one, no one ever sells them cheaply. I'll try to spend some time tonight going through my leagues trade history and see what QBs go for.

I have Matt Stafford as a 3rd QB in one league. Someone offered me Dalton Schultz for him last month. Stafford really has almost no value to me but I declined because Schultz has even less value. If my first two QBs get hurt, Stafford at least gives some 2025 value to my team where Schultz feels like hoping for 5 points if I ever had to play him. I'd rather take the zero at TE than QB if it came to that so why give Stafford away for nothing. I did tell him I would take a rookie 3rd rounder but he declined, and I understand why.

FWIW, Here are 7 trades over the last 2 years I've seen in 1QB dynasty leagues.

July 2023: Derek Carr for Jaylen Warren

Sept 2023: A. Rodgers & Courtland Sutton for Tua & 2024 4th

Nov 2023: Purdy & Higbee for 2024 2nd & Freiermuth

Nov 2023: Goff for 2024 2nd

Oct 2024: Richardson for 2025 1st & 2nd

Nov 2024: Lawrence, J. Ferguson, 2nd for Darnold and Waddle

June 2025: Lawrence for Michael Pittman and 2026 4th

 

[oldmanhawkins]

SF league with ppr +0.5 for TEs

Traded Brenton Strange, Jaylen Wright and a 4th for Stevenson, Tanner McKee and a 2nd.

 

[Dez]

FFPC 1 QB

I traded away
Minn DF
SF DF
Mooney
for
Den DF
2026 4th round pick

I was in a numbers crunch here. I have 25 players and need to cut to 20 to start the year plus you also want to do waivers you need to cut even below that.
Mooney was a very solid player last year so I didn't want to give him away for nothing and I thought getting one of the top D's sounded pretty good.
Minn DF was pretty great last year too but I think Denver feels like a much stronger one plus I can't carry 2 DFs so SF was going to be a cut.

Strange trade for sure but I am still going to struggle to cut down to 20 having 23 right now.

This also gives me 2 1st, 2 2nd, 2 3rd, 2 4ths going into next year.

Also ironically I play this guy week 1 so will Mooney blow up vs me or will Den blow up vs him

 

[King of the Jungle]

FFPC 1 QB

I traded away
Minn DF
SF DF
Mooney
for
Den DF
2026 4th round pick

I was in a numbers crunch here. I have 25 players and need to cut to 20 to start the year plus you also want to do waivers you need to cut even below that.
Mooney was a very solid player last year so I didn't want to give him away for nothing and I thought getting one of the top D's sounded pretty good.
Minn DF was pretty great last year too but I think Denver feels like a much stronger one plus I can't carry 2 DFs so SF was going to be a cut.

Strange trade for sure but I am still going to struggle to cut down to 20 having 23 right now.

This also gives me 2 1st, 2 2nd, 2 3rd, 2 4ths going into next year.

Also ironically I play this guy week 1 so will Mooney blow up vs me or will Den blow up vs him

Cuts can be tough, sometimes you need to make these types of trades.

 

[Mistakes Were Made]

FFPC 1 QB

I traded away
Minn DF
SF DF
Mooney
for
Den DF
2026 4th round pick

I was in a numbers crunch here. I have 25 players and need to cut to 20 to start the year plus you also want to do waivers you need to cut even below that.
Mooney was a very solid player last year so I didn't want to give him away for nothing and I thought getting one of the top D's sounded pretty good.
Minn DF was pretty great last year too but I think Denver feels like a much stronger one plus I can't carry 2 DFs so SF was going to be a cut.

Strange trade for sure but I am still going to struggle to cut down to 20 having 23 right now.

This also gives me 2 1st, 2 2nd, 2 3rd, 2 4ths going into next year.

Also ironically I play this guy week 1 so will Mooney blow up vs me or will Den blow up vs him

Cuts can be tough, sometimes you need to make these types of trades.

Truth. You can also get people to throw in 4ths and 5ths into trades without feeling like they're giving up value. Those extra picks can come in handy during the different cut down seasons.

 

[kutta]

12 team, PPR

3.10 and Demario Douglas

For

James Connor and Joshua Palmer

I’m the team getting Connor. I have a top 3 lineup and have won once in the last 3 years but easily could have 3 straight. My team is old, but wanted Connor for some insurance and depth for one more run with this group.

Herbert, Stafford, Rodgers

Saquon, Henry, Achane, Harvey, Connor

ARSB, JSN, Evans, Adams, Kupp, Ridley, Palmer

Andrews, Likely, Ferguson

 

[msudaisy26]

12 team, PPR

3.10 and Demario Douglas

For

James Connor and Joshua Palmer

I’m the team getting Connor. I have a top 3 lineup and have won once in the last 3 years but easily could have 3 straight. My team is old, but wanted Connor for some insurance and depth for one more run with this group.

Herbert, Stafford, Rodgers

Saquon, Henry, Achane, Harvey, Connor

ARSB, JSN, Evans, Adams, Kupp, Ridley, Palmer

Andrews, Likely, Henderson

Cheap price on Connor, but I might prefer the pick with an aging team and aging rb who will be your fourth or fifth best rb and rarely hit your lineup.

 

[menobrown]

12 team, PPR

3.10 and Demario Douglas

For

James Connor and Joshua Palmer

I’m the team getting Connor. I have a top 3 lineup and have won once in the last 3 years but easily could have 3 straight. My team is old, but wanted Connor for some insurance and depth for one more run with this group.

Herbert, Stafford, Rodgers

Saquon, Henry, Achane, Harvey, Connor

ARSB, JSN, Evans, Adams, Kupp, Ridley, Palmer

Andrews, Likely, Henderson

Cheap cost for a potential difference maker and gives you some flexibilty to move a RB if needed.

Who is the TE Henderson?

 

[kutta]

12 team, PPR

3.10 and Demario Douglas

For

James Connor and Joshua Palmer

I’m the team getting Connor. I have a top 3 lineup and have won once in the last 3 years but easily could have 3 straight. My team is old, but wanted Connor for some insurance and depth for one more run with this group.

Herbert, Stafford, Rodgers

Saquon, Henry, Achane, Harvey, Connor

ARSB, JSN, Evans, Adams, Kupp, Ridley, Palmer

Andrews, Likely, Henderson

Cheap cost for a potential difference maker and gives you some flexibilty to move a RB if needed.

Who is the TE Henderson?

Good question!

It’s Ferguson for the Rams. Maybe I had a whiskey before posting…