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****OFFICIAL DYNASTY TRADES**** (26 Viewers)

JohnnyU said:
I prefer Chase over Jefferson but it is close.  I also like Burrow over Cousins obviously.  Boyd and Hurst are no threat to Chase and Higgins is good for him.  Chase was a big play monster at LSU and it has continued in the NFL and will continue to do so.
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Yeah, there's an excellent counter-argument for Chase. I realize that some of it is personal preference at a point, but I like Jefferson's overall game better. I think he's a better route runner and separator, and that's something I really value in a receiver. Guys that can run routes like that tend to be able to get open even upon physical decline. There's a longevity to it. Jefferson has some height on Chase, too. And just a touch of official speed (4.38 combine vs. 4.38 LSU pro day). 

 
ghostguy123 said:
FFPC standard

This trade did not actually get finalized, but I am posting it because it was offered to me, and I was on the fence big time, just couldn't get myself to pull the trigger.  So F it, gonna post it as though it was complete.  It was 99% close enough.  Shoot me.

Give: pick 1.04, Gabriel Davis, Albert  Okweugbunam

Get: DK Metcalf
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The trade actually ended up happening.  I received Metcalf.  I decided to pull the trigger.

Mostly because I figured I would deal one of my shares of Gabriel Davis, and this seems like getting good value for him considering he carried maybe a mid 1st round value with this move.

Now just need a lucky trade to Green Bay or something

 
ghostguy123 said:
Now just need a lucky trade to Green Bay or something
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Even something more modest like a JimmyG or baker Mayfield signing in Seattle could help you profit on this immediately.

And hey, even if it isn’t this year, almost any quarterback will be an upgrade from Drew Lock. 

any way you slice it, you got the best player in that deal. hard not to like that.

 
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ghostguy123 said:
The trade actually ended up happening.  I received Metcalf.  I decided to pull the trigger.

Mostly because I figured I would deal one of my shares of Gabriel Davis, and this seems like getting good value for him considering he carried maybe a mid 1st round value with this move.

Now just need a lucky trade to Green Bay or something
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Would’ve been a snap accept to me to get the clearly best player in the trade. Situations change fast and talent rises to the top. Nice trade. 

 
FFPC 1QB

I gave T Marshall, N Collins
I got 3.06, DPJ, Tremble

then:

I gave 3.06, 5.05, 2023 4th
I got Fields

Somebody posted they would take any 3rd for Fields and I didn't have a 3rd to give. I offered a 2023 2nd with 3.01 and Fields coming back to me and he RNC. I figured it was probably a footrace to make this deal since a 3rd is way too low. So I made some kind of offer for the 3.06 to a different owner and then he countered with the one above. I have Lamar and this ties into our discussion about carrying more than 1 QB in this format or not. I imagine that I can flip Fields for the equivalent of a 1st at some point in the future. And I easily have room to take a second QB on here.

 
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barackdhouse said:
FFPC 1QB

I gave T Marshall, N Collins
I got 3.06, DPJ, Tremble

then:

I gave 3.06, 5.05, 2023 4th
I got Fields

Somebody posted they would take any 3rd for Fields and I didn't have a 3rd to give. I offered a 2023 2nd with 3.01 and Fields coming back to me and he RNC. I figured it was probably a footrace to make this deal since a 3rd is way too low. So I made some kind of offer for the 3.06 to a different owner and then he countered with the one above. I have Lamar and this ties into our discussion about carrying more than 1 QB in this format or not. I imagine that I can flip Fields for the equivalent of a 1st at some point in the future. And I easily have room to take a second QB on here.
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Is Fields really worth all that trouble in a 1 QB league? 

 
Rockchild said:
Saw this in one of my leagues. 14 team 1 QB, 2-4 RB, 2-4 WR, 1-2 TE, K, D PPR

Ezekiel Elliott, RB, DAL

for

2022 Pick 1.06
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If I'm giving the 1.06 then that's too expensive, but if I'm the Zeke owner that's not enough for him.  Glad I don't have him in any leagues, his value is in such a weird spot

 
Rockchild said:
Saw this in one of my leagues. 14 team 1 QB, 2-4 RB, 2-4 WR, 1-2 TE, K, D PPR

Ezekiel Elliott, RB, DAL

for

2022 Pick 1.06
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It was the perfect time to get off the Zeke train IMO and I think that's about fair value. Zeke owner might get 1-2 good years, maybe even one of the two years is top 6 but 1.06 should net one of the Olave/Jameson Williams/ Kenneth Walker/ Spiller tier players that has some good odds of being a productive piece of your roster for 5-10 years. I'd be on the pick side of that trade.

 
barackdhouse said:
Wow, yeah of course he is. I've seen him go for late 1sts and early 2nds in 1QB. He was drafted mid 2nd last year. I can almost certainly flip him for more than a 3rd and some cut guys. Or keep him and watch him ball out. 

If he flops then so be it, small loss. 
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Yes, to the bolded. And this year there’s talk of him possibly losing his job if he looks like he did last year, so….values change. 

i agree you might hit a home run. It is definitely in the realm of possible outcomes. just don’t see Fields as a starting caliber QB in 1-QB leagues. I would be unlikely to roster him in redraft 1-QB leagues.  

Dude was the 28th best QB in 2021, so it’s a fair question. 

 
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Rockchild said:
Saw this in one of my leagues. 14 team 1 QB, 2-4 RB, 2-4 WR, 1-2 TE, K, D PPR

Ezekiel Elliott, RB, DAL

for

2022 Pick 1.06
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Can't imagine paying anything close to 1.6 for Zeke LAST year.

ETA I'll re-phrase this as saying I'd have come close to paying that for him last year but I was out on Zeke early last year. I got duped by the hype later, better conditioning, yada yada, thought he could muster 1-2 more years so at least got back on board for redraft. I knew when I saw him in week one I should have remained off the train. I would not give any first for him right now.

 
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menobrown said:
Can't imagine paying anything close to 1.6 for Zeke LAST year.

ETA I'll re-phrase this as saying I'd have come close to paying that for him last year but I was out on Zeke early last year. I got duped by the hype later, better conditioning, yada yada, thought he could muster 1-2 more years so at least got back on board for redraft. I knew when I saw him in week one I should have remained off the train. I would not give any first for him right now.
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I was not buying the hype last year and was on record recommending Pollard as a value pick.

That said, I’d give a 1.06 this year. I wouldn’t give a 2023 1st for him. 

I don’t see 1.06 as particularly great in 2022, and I think if Zeke manages to get off to a good start one could flip him to a RB-needy team for a player that would represent a profit over that 1.06 pretty easily. 

 
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wlwiles said:
If I'm giving the 1.06 then that's too expensive, but if I'm the Zeke owner that's not enough for him.  Glad I don't have him in any leagues, his value is in such a weird spot
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I think it's kind of the opposite.  As a Zeke owner I jump at that pick.  If I am getting Zeke that's too much to give unless I had a stacked team everywhere else and needed an upgrade at RB2

 
12-team IDP dynasty salary cap league, so cap relief is looked at as "an asset" from time to time...

Have Deebo, Waddle, Gallup and Cooks at WR, currently bidding on McLaurin.

Ended up gaining some cap room in case I do get McLaurin, trading away Cooks and his $210 salary for TJ Watt, who was the LB1 in this format last season, who has just $5 as his deal.  Will now start him, Leonard and Parsons at LB... by far the best in the league.  

If I get McLaurin, I'll now have the space to keep him around.  If not I can start CEH along with Taylor and Dobbins at RB.

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
I was not buying the hype last year and was on record recommending Pollard as a value pick.

That said, I’d give a 1.06 this year. I wouldn’t give a 2023 1st for him. 

I don’t see 1.06 as particularly great in 2022, and I think if Zeke manages to get off to a good start one could flip him to a RB-needy team for a player that would represent a profit over that 1.06 pretty easily. 
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The other way to look at it is that he now has the 1.06 to use as an asset which might appeal to other teams more than Zeke.

 
Rockchild said:
The other way to look at it is that he now has the 1.06 to use as an asset which might appeal to other teams more than Zeke.
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Also true. But I think a healthy Zeke could command more in return though. We won’t know that until a few weeks into the season, which is the risk. 

At this point 2022 1.06 feels like buying reasonably on Zeke to buying slightly low.

I’m not saying it’s without risk, but to me the upside, even for a potential trade, is on the Zeke side. His value could spike with a return to form.

Im neither buying nor selling Zeke, just opining on this deal. 

I don’t think it’s unfair either way, but I see more potential for profit with Zeke for reasons stated. Of course that also means potential for loss. All depends how Zeke looks. If I’m the Zeke owner I’m probably waiting until preseason to deal him at the earliest. 

 
Rockchild said:
The other way to look at it is that he now has the 1.06 to use as an asset which might appeal to other teams more than Zeke.
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The make-up of the team is very important, but I see Ezekiel Elliott as a better asset all of the '22 year - likely to be a top 10 RB, you could dump him off after 4 or 5 games and get more value for him than a 1.06 in a weak draft.  

I am a bit biased, because I have zero interest in picks this year and am vehemently flipping them and aging assets for picks next year.  

 
nirad3 said:
12-team IDP dynasty salary cap league, so cap relief is looked at as "an asset" from time to time...

Have Deebo, Waddle, Gallup and Cooks at WR, currently bidding on McLaurin.

Ended up gaining some cap room in case I do get McLaurin, trading away Cooks and his $210 salary for TJ Watt, who was the LB1 in this format last season, who has just $5 as his deal.  Will now start him, Leonard and Parsons at LB... by far the best in the league.  

If I get McLaurin, I'll now have the space to keep him around.  If not I can start CEH along with Taylor and Dobbins at RB.
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Beware the switch to DE if the MFL edge/true position switch takes place.  Watt might not be a LB for long.  

 
Gally said:
Beware the switch to DE if the MFL edge/true position switch takes place.  Watt might not be a LB for long.  
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Yeah I considered that, which wouldn't be too huge of a hit.  I would certainly be OK with him being my DL2 (I have Nick Bosa) and would just use Devin White as my 3rd LB.

.... actually, Watt would have been the DL1 by a fair margin last season in this particular league's scoring setup.

 
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Gally said:
Beware the switch to DE if the MFL edge/true position switch takes place.  Watt might not be a LB for long.  
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It’s a great point, and one that vexes me in CBS IDP every year. 2021 it was Haason Reddick, who I drafted as a DL, who played DL, but who only qualified as a LB where he was ok, but nowhere near as good as if he was DL eligible.

Drives me nuts every year. 

In this case I would think it would help Watt’s value to be DL eligible though, no? 

 
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Hot Sauce Guy said:
It’s a great point, and one that vexes me in CBS IDP every year. 2021 it was Haason Reddick, who I drafted as a DL, who played DL, but who only qualified as a LB where he was ok, but nowhere near as good as if he was DL eligible.

Drives me nuts every year. 

In this case I would think it would help Watt’s value to be DL eligible though, no? 
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In a vacuum it does likely improve his value however in a specific roster construction it may hurt his value. 

 
barackdhouse said:
FFPC SuperFlex not involved and haven't seen this guy moved in awhile in any format:

Team A gave Pitts, Fournette, 1.06
Team B gave Jefferson, ETN, Kmet

Chew on that one.
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Is this TE premium?  If it is then I could see the Pitts side.  If not give me JJ all day as I think he is one of the best dynasty assets you can have.

 
jabarony said:
Pitts > Jefferson

Fournette > ETN

1.06 > Kmet
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I would personally view it this way:

Pitts>everyone

ETN>Fournette

1.6> 3 Cole Kmets

So I don't have it as a clean sweep but still a real easy win for the Pitts side, if not for 2022 then for the big picture.

 
Rockchild said:
Moved the 1.06, 2023 Late 2nd, Robby Anderson 

For

DJ Moore,  3.06, 2023 Early 3rd 
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I love this deal for you. DJ Moore might not score oodles of points next year, but he's a valuable asset to have -- more, I think, than the 1.06. 

 
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Hot Sauce Guy said:
Yes, to the bolded. And this year there’s talk of him possibly losing his job if he looks like he did last year, so….values change. 

i agree you might hit a home run. It is definitely in the realm of possible outcomes. just don’t see Fields as a starting caliber QB in 1-QB leagues. I would be unlikely to roster him in redraft 1-QB leagues.  

Dude was the 28th best QB in 2021, so it’s a fair question. 
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Where?  Pretty clearly a homer here and I've not seen that chatter anywhere.  Poles is building the offense and, more specifically, the OL to Fields' style of play.  Foles is a likely cut and Siemian is a clear backup.

Fields may not pan out, but the Bears are going to give him every single opportunity to develop, including a 2022 free from QB controversy.  His 2021 was not a good showing.  I could go on and on about the reasons why he was set up to fail, but you can read those yourself in the Bears thread.

All that to say, you're correct.  He's not a starting QB in a 1QB league...yet.

 
InDitkaWeTrust said:
Where?  Pretty clearly a homer here and I've not seen that chatter anywhere.  Poles is building the offense and, more specifically, the OL to Fields' style of play.  Foles is a likely cut and Siemian is a clear backup.

Fields may not pan out, but the Bears are going to give him every single opportunity to develop, including a 2022 free from QB controversy.  His 2021 was not a good showing.  I could go on and on about the reasons why he was set up to fail, but you can read those yourself in the Bears thread.

All that to say, you're correct.  He's not a starting QB in a 1QB league...yet.
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I read the blurb HSG was referecing.  It was more along the lines of they are not afraid to move on from Fields for 2023 if he doesn't improve in 2022.

 
InDitkaWeTrust said:
Where?  Pretty clearly a homer here and I've not seen that chatter anywhere.  Poles is building the offense and, more specifically, the OL to Fields' style of play.  Foles is a likely cut and Siemian is a clear backup.

Fields may not pan out, but the Bears are going to give him every single opportunity to develop, including a 2022 free from QB controversy.  His 2021 was not a good showing.  I could go on and on about the reasons why he was set up to fail, but you can read those yourself in the Bears thread.

All that to say, you're correct.  He's not a starting QB in a 1QB league...yet.
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A writer from the Athletic reported this a few days ago. 
“

JUSTIN FIELDSQB, CHICAGO BEARS

The Athletic's Kevin Fishbain believes the Bears "might have to consider the possibility that [Justin Fields] isn’t the guy" if he struggles in 2022. 

The team's new regime should have a good idea of Fields' long-term potential after the 2022 season, Fishbain said. "Fields’ rookie performance comes with a lot of disclaimers, and some are legitimate, but the struggles can’t be fully ignored," Fishbain said. "If the sack numbers remain high, if he’s not doing a good job taking care of the football, and if he’s not leading scoring drives often enough, then the organization might have to consider the possibility that he isn’t the guy." Fields in 2021 struggled mightily in Matt Nagy's inflexible, uncreative offense, ranking 37th in adjusted completion rate -- just ahead of Mike Glennon -- and 22nd in yards per attempt. Fields' expected points added (EPA) per drop back was lower than any quarterback besides Zach Wilson. His best-case scenario would be a Bears offense that better utilizes his strengths. A bad 2022 could have the Bears itching for a new QB option, however premature.” 

here’s one article saying he has a short leash

https://www.sportsmockery.com/chicago-bears/its-clear-justin-fields-cant-bank-on-a-long-leash-from-bears/?amp

Personally, I think he has tremendous upside, and I think the Bears would be smart to bring in Olave to give him another weapon, because it might be hard to find success with Mooney/Pringle as 1-2 receivers. 

 
Yeah there is no doubt Fields isn't there yet. In the deal posted I got him for two pieces that I am cutting in most of my leagues.

It is the difference in likelihood of negative risk being realized and the magnitude of that negative outcome.

Consider the risk to your windshield when driving down the highway. The likelihood of hitting a bug is close to 100%. The magnitude of the outcome is a gross smear that is easily cleaned and doesn't affect your safety or ability to get from pt A to pt B. 

The risk of hitting a small pebble is considerably high over the course of time and the magnitude of the outcome is minimal but certainly more than a nuisance and potentially bad enough to cause more damage than just a little spider pattern.

The risk of getting hit by something falling off the back of a vehicle is pretty low (it has happened to me) but could have a catastrophic outcome. 

Fields for basically free is more like the first one. But instead of *only* thinking about risk, the upside if he pans out is like getting to Wally World for free. With no bugs. And I heard Beverly DeAngelo is amazing in bed as well but that is a different analogy. 

 
FFPC Superflex

Gave: '23 R3

Got: Jared Goff

My team just finished second but has weak QBs. He wanted my 2.02 but I rejected. He immediately offered this. Goff is kind of bottom-of-the-barrel, but I think a future R3 would be his value if the Lions had just drafted a QB, which it seems they're unlikely to do. If they don't draft a QB, maybe I can flip Goff later for profit. 

 
phandango said:
FFPC Superflex

Gave: '23 R3

Got: Jared Goff

My team just finished second but has weak QBs. He wanted my 2.02 but I rejected. He immediately offered this. Goff is kind of bottom-of-the-barrel, but I think a future R3 would be his value if the Lions had just drafted a QB, which it seems they're unlikely to do. If they don't draft a QB, maybe I can flip Goff later for profit. 
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Or just play him and enjoy the ~16 pts per week.  Well worth a 3rd.

 
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