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****OFFICIAL DYNASTY TRADES**** (8 Viewers)

I can deal with the duplicates but think its garbage that you can't own both guys of the same player.  That just seems dumb.
One of the big benefits of having duplicates is to make trading easier because you have twice as many ways of acquiring the player you want.  If one guy is unreasonable or never makes trades, you then have a second option.  (I'm also in a 36 team, three copy league so you have three options there)  Seems dumber to me to own more than one copy of the same guy, eggs and baskets and all.  

 
One of the big benefits of having duplicates is to make trading easier because you have twice as many ways of acquiring the player you want.  If one guy is unreasonable or never makes trades, you then have a second option.  (I'm also in a 36 team, three copy league so you have three options there)  Seems dumber to me to own more than one copy of the same guy, eggs and baskets and all.  
Why limit that option?  Whether you think it's a good idea or not to do is up to the owner but why limit it from happening?  I think that was the point being made.  

 
Why limit that option?  Whether you think it's a good idea or not to do is up to the owner but why limit it from happening?  I think that was the point being made.  
Devil’s advocate response (as I’m not invested in that format): I would think it would be to eliminate the chances of the other side of that coin happening.

Imagine facing a team with 2 Taylor’s and 2 Kupps last year. They’d run away with it. 

 
Devil’s advocate response (as I’m not invested in that format): I would think it would be to eliminate the chances of the other side of that coin happening.

Imagine facing a team with 2 Taylor’s and 2 Kupps last year. They’d run away with it. 
So?  Isn't that part of every year in every format?  Ever owner had a chance to get the other copy so it's their own fault.  I would also think that marquee players would be virtually impossible to get both copies as generally the copies should go in basically the same area of the draft and not necessarily a full round apart.  

(I know you are just giving the other side possible reasons....just extending the discussion). 

 
So?  Isn't that part of every year in every format? 
well no, because most other formats only have the 1 player, not duplicates. 

Every owner had a chance to get the other copy so it's their own fault.  I would also think that marquee players would be virtually impossible to get both copies as generally the copies should go in basically the same area of the draft and not necessarily a full round apart. 
true, conceptually, but ya never know. Players slide. And regardless that wouldn’t prevent a team from paying a hefty sum to get the 2nd JT or Kupp, in my hypothetical. 

(I know you are just giving the other side possible reasons....just extending the discussion). 
All good. I figured.  :hifive:

 
well no, because most other formats only have the 1 player, not duplicates. 
What I meant is that in every league there is a chance one team dominates the draft and gets a stacked team.  This is no different.  Other owners have the same chance to take those players.  If a team is able to dominate the draft they should be rewarded whether it's with multiple JT's/Kupps or just with JT/Chase/Kupp/Andrews/Brady (which was very possible last year).   I really don't see a difference.  

 
well no, because most other formats only have the 1 player, not duplicates. 

true, conceptually, but ya never know. Players slide. And regardless that wouldn’t prevent a team from paying a hefty sum to get the 2nd JT or Kupp, in my hypothetical. 

All good. I figured.  :hifive:
To me you are like saying you can't have more than 2 top 5 RBs on your team.  Why limit options.  If a team can draft or trade and make their team good the league rules shouldn't stop that.

 
Not involved and not a big one.  12 team, .5 PPR, 1 QB....

Team A Gave

2023 1st round pick (most likely not a playoff team and should be around 5 or 6 with an outside chance at landing at 1 or 2 due to league rules)

GB Def (Team B has no D and there are only about 6 left on waivers so terrible options)

Team B Gave

2023 1st round pick (2 time champ's pick on a team that makes this almost a for sure 11 or 12)

Adam Thielen

Mike Gesicki

 
FFPC SuperFlex

I gave E Moore, Edmonds, Algeier, B Jordan (30+17+12+10) = 69
I got Chubb, Goedert (30+30)*

and say it with me..."I cleared two roster spots" - I also needed a better TE pretty bad and am strong and deep at WR. 

*I have written how in this format I consider a random roster spot to be worth around 7 franchise points in my system. So in this trade that would be 14 and on paper would swing this in my favor. But according to my roster cutdown projections, this move allows me to keep Nico Collins (12 points) and gives me the choice between Gronk (who I'll sell for a ham sandwich if I can...ok tofu), Velus Jones, Snoop Conner or what is most likely - an empty spot reserved for my first FAAB pickup. All four of the people I traded would have made the cutdown so yes I love this move.  

 
FFPC SuperFlex

I gave E Moore, Edmonds, Algeier, B Jordan (30+17+12+10) = 69
I got Chubb, Goedert (30+30)*

and say it with me..."I cleared two roster spots" - I also needed a better TE pretty bad and am strong and deep at WR. 

*I have written how in this format I consider a random roster spot to be worth around 7 franchise points in my system. So in this trade that would be 14 and on paper would swing this in my favor. But according to my roster cutdown projections, this move allows me to keep Nico Collins (12 points) and gives me the choice between Gronk (who I'll sell for a ham sandwich if I can...ok tofu), Velus Jones, Snoop Conner or what is most likely - an empty spot reserved for my first FAAB pickup. All four of the people I traded would have made the cutdown so yes I love this move.  
Gave 4 quarters, got back 2x 50 cent pieces. And ya cleared 2 roster spots.

What’s not to love? 

 
12 tm, Devy, Start two QB/TE, PPR

Gave: Pittman, 2.08 (C. Watson, R. White still on the board. Most bluechip devy have been taken)

Got: AJ Brown, Damien Williams

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This was really close. I like AJ Brown more than most. People are knocking the switch from Tanny to Hurts. Pittman is creeping up rankings and projections. We all know who has the higher ceiling, but with that comes to injury bug and new team. Thoughts? 

 
12 tm, Devy, Start two QB/TE, PPR

Gave: Pittman, 2.08 (C. Watson, R. White still on the board. Most bluechip devy have been taken)

Got: AJ Brown, Damien Williams

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This was really close. I like AJ Brown more than most. People are knocking the switch from Tanny to Hurts. Pittman is creeping up rankings and projections. We all know who has the higher ceiling, but with that comes to injury bug and new team. Thoughts? 
I like the Pittman side of the equation more, but I totally get it if you're high on AJ.

 
12 tm, Devy, Start two QB/TE, PPR

Gave: Pittman, 2.08 (C. Watson, R. White still on the board. Most bluechip devy have been taken)

Got: AJ Brown, Damien Williams

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This was really close. I like AJ Brown more than most. People are knocking the switch from Tanny to Hurts. Pittman is creeping up rankings and projections. We all know who has the higher ceiling, but with that comes to injury bug and new team. Thoughts? 
I’m on the Pittman side. Personal preference - it’s fair. 

 
HUGE ONE

Gave: Pierre Strong, Jr. 

Got: Trey Sermon

Thinking behind it: This is a pure belief in Matt Waldman's assessment of Sermon trade. Hoping that the 49ers cut Sermon like the beat reporters have said they plan on. I'll bet there will be some teams lining up for his services. 

 
Traded away

1.02

3.02

Received

1.07

Josh palmer
Getting Olave isn't a terrible consolation. Give me London/Walker over 1.07 (Olave).

WR handcuffs are nothing more than long shots. I don't see any difference in Palmer over guys like Terrace Marshall, T. Wallace, etc. The Palmer hype is ridic. Give me the other guys at cost. 

 
Getting Olave isn't a terrible consolation. Give me London/Walker over 1.07 (Olave).

WR handcuffs are nothing more than long shots. I don't see any difference in Palmer over guys like Terrace Marshall, T. Wallace, etc. The Palmer hype is ridic. Give me the other guys at cost. 
I see a large difference. Palmer has an elite QB throwing to him, and Marshall has Mayfield/Darnold. Also Palmer looks like a legit NFL WR, while I haven’t seen Marshall look good at all.

Its fair on both sides, but dropping 5 spots to get Palmer seems like a nice get to me. YMMV. 

 
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Why limit that option?  Whether you think it's a good idea or not to do is up to the owner but why limit it from happening?  I think that was the point being made.  
One of the big benefits of having duplicates is to make trading easier because you have twice as many ways of acquiring the player you want.  If one guy is unreasonable or never makes trades, you then have a second option.

 
FFPC SuperFlex

I gave E Moore, Edmonds, Algeier, B Jordan (30+17+12+10) = 69
I got Chubb, Goedert (30+30)*

and say it with me..."I cleared two roster spots" - I also needed a better TE pretty bad and am strong and deep at WR. 

*I have written how in this format I consider a random roster spot to be worth around 7 franchise points in my system. So in this trade that would be 14 and on paper would swing this in my favor. But according to my roster cutdown projections, this move allows me to keep Nico Collins (12 points) and gives me the choice between Gronk (who I'll sell for a ham sandwich if I can...ok tofu), Velus Jones, Snoop Conner or what is most likely - an empty spot reserved for my first FAAB pickup. All four of the people I traded would have made the cutdown so yes I love this move.  
This is a great move.  Without the roster spots.  With, this is a smash accept.  You didn't lose anything of great value to me and got back a top end RB and a very good TE.  Good work.

 
Not involved and not a big one.  12 team, .5 PPR, 1 QB....

Team A Gave

2023 1st round pick (most likely not a playoff team and should be around 5 or 6 with an outside chance at landing at 1 or 2 due to league rules)

GB Def (Team B has no D and there are only about 6 left on waivers so terrible options)

Team B Gave

2023 1st round pick (2 time champ's pick on a team that makes this almost a for sure 11 or 12)

Adam Thielen

Mike Gesicki
Thoughts?

 
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FFPC rules league but private with 2 extra roster spots, was just offered this and I accepted with no counter:

Gave: Watson

Got: Gabriel Davis and a 2023#2 that has a better chance of being an early second then a late one.

It's not SF and I still have Kyler and Lance and my WR position is really thin.

 
Seems like a lot of assets to move up into the early to mid 2023 first round.  Do y'all have smallish rosters?  You'd have to assume that Gesiki and Thielen will both be automatic starters on Team A's roster, possibly moving them down a good bit in the draft.
We have pretty big rosters also.  22, plus 2 IR, and a 15 person taxi that a guy can stay on for 2 years.  He really wanted a D and to move up but I think he paid to much to do so.

 
FFPC rules league but private with 2 extra roster spots, was just offered this and I accepted with no counter:

Gave: Watson

Got: Gabriel Davis and a 2023#2 that has a better chance of being an early second then a late one.

It's not SF and I still have Kyler and Lance and my WR position is really thin.
I'm not as high on Davis as some but if that 2nd is early I have no problem with this in a 1 QB league.  Watson just got 6 games and I expect the league to appeal for it to be even longer.  You are deep there and needed a WR.  Seems like a win-win to me.

 
Just had a small one in .5 PPR, 12 team:

Team A gave: Olave

Team B gave: Hollywood Brown and a 2024 3rd
I’d rather have Hollywood, myself.

i like his move to AZ, and I’m not sure what Olave will do with a lot of competition for catches & Winston at QB. 

With NUK turning 31 on his next birthday & the injuries stacking up, Brown could be the Cards WR1 in the near future.

Haven't checked the calcs but I’m pretty sure they’ll favor the Olave side.  Calcs love rookie potential. 

 
FFPC rules league but private with 2 extra roster spots, was just offered this and I accepted with no counter:

Gave: Watson

Got: Gabriel Davis and a 2023#2 that has a better chance of being an early second then a late one.

It's not SF and I still have Kyler and Lance and my WR position is really thin.
Nice return on Watson. 

 
I’d rather have Hollywood, myself.

i like his move to AZ, and I’m not sure what Olave will do with a lot of competition for catches & Winston at QB. 

With NUK turning 31 on his next birthday & the injuries stacking up, Brown could be the Cards WR1 in the near future.

Haven't checked the calcs but I’m pretty sure they’ll favor the Olave side.  Calcs love rookie potential. 
I agree with that on Olave.  I would have used that though and the fact that the pick was 2 years out to make sure it was a 2nd.  3rds are just too likely to be nothing.

 
Just had a small one in .5 PPR, 12 team:

Team A gave: Olave

Team B gave: Hollywood Brown and a 2024 3rd
Short Term I see Brown more valuable, but I am a fan of Olave.  I think 2023 will he will be more WR1 commodity.  This year the MT/Kamara residual value will start the steep decline, leaving Olave as the primary asset. 

Fair deal and I can see both sides.  

 
Short Term I see Brown more valuable, but I am a fan of Olave.  I think 2023 will he will be more WR1 commodity.  This year the MT/Kamara residual value will start the steep decline, leaving Olave as the primary asset. 

Fair deal and I can see both sides.  
I am also a fan of Olave but he is an unknown.  I would have liked the pick to be a 2nd personally.  It works for these managers because the one getting Olave is rookie crazy every year and the one getting Brown is way more prone to take the proven commodities.

 
OMFG IT'S ALIVE

Only trade I've seen in my league (full PPR) this week is Elijah Mitchell straight up for Kadarius Toney. Would guess most would clearly take Mitchell, but it doesn't seem completely horrendous if you're a Toney believer?
 
My one and only non-FFPC dynasty is a 24-team league, 2 copies of each player, PPR but TEP +0.25per. We are doing our rookie draft right now (4 rounds) and it is nearly over but this team of mine is a project that is entering its 3rd year. Here are the trades (in sequence) I have made this offseason prior to and during this draft:

Gave Tonyan
Got 3.07

Gave McLaurin, 2023 3rd
Got CEH, Jones II, 2.02 ***eventually took Spiller***

Gave Jones II, 2023 2nd
Got 2.08, 3.08 ***eventually took Allgeier at 2.08***

Gave 4th
Got 4.03 ***eventually took Pacheco***

Gave J Robinson, 3.08
Got Patterson, 2.09 OTC took Tolbert

Gave T Marshall, 3.07
Got 2.17 OTC took Zamir White

Gave B Edwards
Got 4.13 OTC took Bellinger

Gave DPJ
Got 4.18 which is a couple picks away but there are still a few names left on the board that I like

So when you cancel out the pieces I got but then gave later, all in all this worked out to

Gave:
McLaurin, Tonyan, J Robinson, B Edwards, T Marshall, 2023 2nd, 3rd, 4th

Got:
CEH, Spiller, Patterson, Allgeier, Zamir, Pacheco, Tolbert, Bellinger
 
One of the big benefits of having duplicates is to make trading easier because you have twice as many ways of acquiring the player you want. If one guy is unreasonable or never makes trades, you then have a second option.
Yes absolutely. The market is soooo much wider than a typical 12 team league. And it compounds because not only is there the possibility of one manager being more likely to trade player X to you, there are 24 people instead of 12 (plus more than that is likely because of comanagers). There are just a ton more permutations possible to find a deal with someone.
 
This one crossed the line earlier today after some back and forth:

Devy, TE Premium, Superflex, IDP, PPR

I gave : Robert Tonyan, Calvin Ridley, Tyler Huntley, 2023 4th
I got : Jahan Dotson, Isaiah Likely, 2023 9th

He had a number of rookie WRs like Doubs, Dotson, and London. Chased London but pivoted to Dotson. Still very bullish on the rookies’ upsides.
 

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