Hot Sauce Guy
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Gimme the 1.01
Hall > Monty (with Chicago talking up using Monty on PR, and using Herbert more)
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Hall > Monty (with Chicago talking up using Monty on PR, and using Herbert more)
Cadence calls
Footballguy
1.09 (Spiller)/2.02
for
1.08 (Olave)/2.05
I had to get on my horse when Olave made it to 1.08
for
1.08 (Olave)/2.05
I had to get on my horse when Olave made it to 1.08
Cadence calls
Footballguy
1.01
for
Josh Jacobs/McLaurin
pts per carry league
for
Josh Jacobs/McLaurin
pts per carry league
Cadence calls
Footballguy
Interesting one
RoJo/3.05/3.07
for
R. Penny
RoJo/3.05/3.07
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R. Penny
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I’ve seen CMc go for far less the past two off seasons. He no longer has a great market in dynasty. I really like that deal for him to be honest - but I’m very high on Davis and Gainwell and Toney has top 10 upside (but will he ever hit it?).
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Yuck!!!! Whoever gave the 1.01 for that will soon (if not already) regret it.
wlwiles
Footballguy
Love that move
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Amen!
Oof. Win-now, sure - go get that ‘ship I guess.
But this is clearly short term solution for a long-term problem. Kelce turns 33 in October, and trading for 33 year olds is usually not the best of ideas. Especially when a back of the order 2023 1st might get one Michael Meyer. I would have limped along with Knox for a year & tried to either select, or move into position to select Meyer with that pick if TE was the biggest need.
Pretty solid cash-out on Kelce from the other side, though I don’t really like Knox as much as some do.
Definitely an interesting deal though. If Kelce puts that team over the top for a ‘ship it’s hard to say it’s a bad deal.
Does team Kelce have other ‘23 1sts, or more depth at TE?
wlwiles
Footballguy
The team acquiring Kelce has no other '23 1sts at this point. and Fant as only other TE.
Pretty much agree with your analysis, it's one of those moves that you only make if you're pretty certain it puts you over the top for a ship. This guy has a good squad but it's not the league dominant team imo.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Thanks for the context.
And yeah - while it puts him over the top for a ship, it likely does so for 1 year, maybe 2. Who knows how long Kelce stays vertical, but at 33 it feels like he’s a lot closer to the end than the beginning.
InDitkaWeTrust
Footballguy
Assuming Kelce rots on the vine in year 3, if it nets the team a solid opportunity at 2 championships it is absolutely worth it.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Moore.
johnnyboy8102
Footballguy
PPR w/ 1.5 TEP & 4 Flex spots
Gabe Davis
For
2023 First (Likely to be between picks 8-10)
Gabe Davis
For
2023 First (Likely to be between picks 8-10)
wlwiles
Footballguy
I think any Davis owner who gets offered a 2023 first (even if late) kinda has to take it unless they're either a Bills fan, or extremely thin at WR in 2022. Just looking at draft picks in a vacuum (and not the fact that 2023 > 2022 value), Davis feels like he's probably worth the 2.02-2.03 pick so a late first is gravy imo. (edit - revised pick numbers after thinking a bit more)
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I’ll take Davis Unless I’m absolutely stacked at wide receiver. I might take Davis, regardless.
johnnyboy8102
Footballguy
I am stacked at WR. I like Davis but he can play well and put up a 55-800-8 line and his value will not increase. He is a sell high at this point.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
i have him on a full rebuild team. Trading him for a 1st doesn’t really help as I’m not sure what player in what opportunity would replace his value at 1.08-1.10.
since I got him as a toss-in to a larger deal 2 years ago, I want to enjoy that profit in 2023.
There’s room for his value to rise looking at a post-Diggs world, as well.
That said, for a win-now roster that’s stacked at WR, sure, take the 1st. I’d have no issue with that.
Mister CIA
Footballguy
I cut bait on Tyler Higbee in prem-TE. Got a 2023 4th rounder (likely late). Feels a like a win/win meh/meh kind of deal. We'll always have that late 2019 flourish, Tyler. Nobody can take that away from us.
Phew. Pick easily for me.
Cadence calls
Footballguy
1.08/3.08
for
Renfrow/Gabe Davis
PPR w 3WR and 2 Flex
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Renfrow/Gabe Davis
PPR w 3WR and 2 Flex
Cadence calls
Footballguy
SF
Trey Lance/Claypool
for
CMC/Adams
classic rebuild v win now situation
team trading Lance has Stafford/Carr
Trey Lance/Claypool
for
CMC/Adams
classic rebuild v win now situation
team trading Lance has Stafford/Carr
Cadence calls
Footballguy
I’ll take the Moore side
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Footballguy
In SF, I gotta choke the vomit back and take Wentz
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Looking at projected 2023 ADP, who are you going to take at 1.08-1.10 over Gabe Davis?
A lot will certainly change, but as of now I’m looking at
1.08 Addison
1.09 Johnston
1.10 Tank Bigsby
1.11 Sean Tucker
I could see needing a RB, ok. But with Davis’ current value, one could trade him for a pretty good RB.
But I’m not sure why you’d take Addison or Johnson in their TBD situation with no NFL track record over Davis, who appears to be locked in to a valuable role in the Bills passing offense with Josh Allen, and who’s shown the ability to perform at the NFL level.
Not criticizing the response, just looking to understand it better.
I love 2023 picks more than most folks, and I would take the Davis side rather easily here.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
That was my thought as well, but man - with reports of accuracy issues in drills without defenders (shocking, I know) Wentz is just
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Team trading Lance is owning this deal, IMO.
Cadence calls
Footballguy
Agree, I thought it was short by at least a 2nd rd pick.
Would look a lot more even with a 1st.
InDitkaWeTrust
Footballguy
Color me shocked!
I'm a huge Davis Stan and I'd give him up for a mid 23 first if I had anything else worth starting in my wr room!
Yeah obviously not excited about it but wanted a QB3 and it’s very hard to trade for a QB in this league (most guys won’t even entertain offers. One guy wanted JT or Chase for Cousins or Brady)
Cadence calls
Footballguy
In that case, good for you.
Im not huge on having 3qbs in SF.
Its nice to have that cushion, but I think it’s more of a luxury.
I always think of my 3rd SF qb as a trade piece.
But that’s just me.
For a 3rd qb in SF, I think you did all right.
Normally I’d agree but my 2nd qb is Tannehill so not much better haha
Cadence calls
Footballguy
I imagine you’ve thought of putting Tanny and Wentz together to upgrade your QB2?
I know that gets league specific, but Worth a roster rundown in your league.
Somebody out there may want the kind of depth you just got.
Maybe not, but this is the kind of things we do.
I’m not a big Gabe fan buddy, so I think the value here is easily with the pick as it’s just going to continue to gain value. I know a lot of folks are convinced Gabe will as well, I just can’t say I’m there.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
That doesn’t really answer my question. We all have our preferences. What is it about Davis you don’t like?
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
1.08-1.10 is “mid”?Color me shocked!
I'm a huge Davis Stan and I'd give him up for a mid 23 first if I had anything else worth starting in my wr room!
Seems late to me. I’ll ask the same Q I asked @JoeJoe88:
Using current projected ADP, who are you taking over Davis in 2023 after making this deal?
1.08 Addison
1.09 Johnston
1.10 Tank Bigsby
1.11 Sean Tucker
And why would that player in a TBD situation (team/QB) be rated higher, in your opinion, than Davis as the WR2 on the Bills with Allen at QB?
I know I have a man-crush on Davis, so your running joke is noted, but at the same time I’ve stated flatly that I won’t be taking him in redraft at his crazy high ADP, so I think I’m somewhat realistic about him.
But I do find this scenario interesting and I think it’s a fair question. There are some terrific young players coming out in 2023. But if the pick is at the back end of the draft, who’s going to be more valuable than Davis?
wlwiles
Footballguy
This is one of the tougher ones to judge imo. With 3 WR and 2 flex I take Renfrow/Davis side, likely would be starting both of them a lot of weeks.
Cadence calls
Footballguy
Yep, both are starters when you can start 5 WRs
This was a SF, too. And the 1.08 took Pickett.
Deep league. In fact, the name of the league is Too Deep. 35 man roster
No defense at all. Start 12 (3 RBs and 2 TEs as well)
This was my trade, and being in this league for a while I’ve learned that simply having
7 -8 startable (10 pts) WR is a good thing.
id have taken Olave or Pickett at 1.08 if I kept it.
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Just went down. This should be a fun one with two of the more polarizing players around these parts:
16-team league, SF, PPR, TE-P
I had a pretty solid 4 starting WR of Pittman, Higgins, D.Smith, & Aiyuk, with no depth behind them.
I gave: James Robinson, David Bell
I received: Gabriel Davis
I’m of the opinion that if Robinson comes back 100% (jury’s out) that it’s RBBC with ETN. After the deal my RB are Swift, Hall, Hines, & C.Evans (plus some flotsam)
I await the fire and flame.
16-team league, SF, PPR, TE-P
I had a pretty solid 4 starting WR of Pittman, Higgins, D.Smith, & Aiyuk, with no depth behind them.
I gave: James Robinson, David Bell
I received: Gabriel Davis
I’m of the opinion that if Robinson comes back 100% (jury’s out) that it’s RBBC with ETN. After the deal my RB are Swift, Hall, Hines, & C.Evans (plus some flotsam)
I await the fire and flame.
Cadence calls
Footballguy
Nothing wrong with that.Just went down. This should be a fun one with two of the more polarizing players around these parts:
16-team league, SF, PPR, TE-P
I had a pretty solid 4 starting WR of Pittman, Higgins, D.Smith, & Aiyuk, with no depth behind them.
I gave: James Robinson, David Bell
I received: Gabriel Davis
I’m of the opinion that if Robinson comes back 100% (jury’s out) that it’s RBBC with ETN. After the deal my RB are Swift, Hall, Hines, & C.Evans (plus some flotsam)
I await the fire and flame.
Bell is a zero at this moment in time, and JR is in a committee coming off a major injury.
id make that trade
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Appreciate that. I’m not 100% sold on D.Smith, and jury’s out on Aiyuk as well, so I figure this gives me 3 guys to get 2 regular contributors out of. And BYE week depth of course.Nothing wrong with that.Just went down. This should be a fun one with two of the more polarizing players around these parts:
16-team league, SF, PPR, TE-P
I had a pretty solid 4 starting WR of Pittman, Higgins, D.Smith, & Aiyuk, with no depth behind them.
I gave: James Robinson, David Bell
I received: Gabriel Davis
I’m of the opinion that if Robinson comes back 100% (jury’s out) that it’s RBBC with ETN. After the deal my RB are Swift, Hall, Hines, & C.Evans (plus some flotsam)
I await the fire and flame.
Bell is a zero at this moment in time, and JR is in a committee coming off a major injury.
id make that trade
-OZ-
Footballguy
That’s one of those deals that could definitely work out for you, but my initial impression is to take the other side. I don’t think bell is a zero.Just went down. This should be a fun one with two of the more polarizing players around these parts:
16-team league, SF, PPR, TE-P
I had a pretty solid 4 starting WR of Pittman, Higgins, D.Smith, & Aiyuk, with no depth behind them.
I gave: James Robinson, David Bell
I received: Gabriel Davis
I’m of the opinion that if Robinson comes back 100% (jury’s out) that it’s RBBC with ETN. After the deal my RB are Swift, Hall, Hines, & C.Evans (plus some flotsam)
I await the fire and flame.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I don’t think he’s a zero either, but he’s not a proven asset, he wasn’t a player I drafted (I took over this team a few months ago and have been reshaping it) and I didn’t really want to own any Browns. They needed a WR back to make it work for them, and I wasn’t giving up any of my “big 4”, as it were. My only 4, really. lolThat’s one of those deals that could definitely work out for you, but my initial impression is to take the other side. I don’t think bell is a zero.Just went down. This should be a fun one with two of the more polarizing players around these parts:
16-team league, SF, PPR, TE-P
I had a pretty solid 4 starting WR of Pittman, Higgins, D.Smith, & Aiyuk, with no depth behind them.
I gave: James Robinson, David Bell
I received: Gabriel Davis
I’m of the opinion that if Robinson comes back 100% (jury’s out) that it’s RBBC with ETN. After the deal my RB are Swift, Hall, Hines, & C.Evans (plus some flotsam)
I await the fire and flame.
Cadence calls
Footballguy
Seems fair enough. Id take the Dillon side, though
This is an example of SF depth at qb giving you options all around
Cadence calls
Footballguy
I don’t think he’s a zero either, but he’s not a proven asset, he wasn’t a player I drafted (I took over this team a few months ago and have been reshaping it) and I didn’t really want to own any Browns. They needed a WR back to make it work for them, and I wasn’t giving up any of my “big 4”, as it were. My only 4, really. lolThat’s one of those deals that could definitely work out for you, but my initial impression is to take the other side. I don’t think bell is a zero.Just went down. This should be a fun one with two of the more polarizing players around these parts:
16-team league, SF, PPR, TE-P
I had a pretty solid 4 starting WR of Pittman, Higgins, D.Smith, & Aiyuk, with no depth behind them.
I gave: James Robinson, David Bell
I received: Gabriel Davis
I’m of the opinion that if Robinson comes back 100% (jury’s out) that it’s RBBC with ETN. After the deal my RB are Swift, Hall, Hines, & C.Evans (plus some flotsam)
I await the fire and flame.
Cadence calls
Footballguy
I think he’s a zero at the moment. Late 3rd for me
I guess if you want to wait a couple years for things to shake out for the guy,
he can make waves.
But he’s got two guys ahead of him who are vets, and is on a team that is never gonna push the ball, and has major issues.
Thats why I paint Bell as a zero at “this Moment in time”
I guess if you want to wait a couple years for things to shake out for the guy,
he can make waves.
But he’s got two guys ahead of him who are vets, and is on a team that is never gonna push the ball, and has major issues.
Thats why I paint Bell as a zero at “this Moment in time”
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
This feels like a lot of pieces moving around without actually doing that much. lol
I assume Team A’s big target here was Williams? Might have gotten it done cheaper. I know they had 5 QB, but Mills is a heck of a toss-in.
Maybe I’m missing something on this one.
