****OFFICIAL DYNASTY TRADES**** (22 Viewers)

[Hot Sauce Guy]

FFPC 1QB
Team A gets:
D. Pierce
T. Sermon
J. Jefferson

Team B gets:
A. Jones
D. Samuel
23 1st

Blockbuster.

Gimme Jefferson.

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

FFPC 1QB
Team A gets:
D. Pierce
T. Sermon
J. Jefferson

Team B gets:
A. Jones
D. Samuel
23 1st

Blockbuster.

Gimme Jefferson.

Man, I dunno. Deebo and a 23 1st for JJ essentially? That's a downgrade at WR1 for sure, but is it really that much of a downgrade? I'd assume that Team B is probably getting a mid to late 23 1st. Any value that Jones gives this season is icing on the cake.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

FFPC 1QB
Team A gets:
D. Pierce
T. Sermon
J. Jefferson

Team B gets:
A. Jones
D. Samuel
23 1st

Blockbuster.

Gimme Jefferson.

Man, I dunno. Deebo and a 23 1st for JJ essentially? That's a downgrade at WR1 for sure, but is it really that much of a downgrade? I'd assume that Team B is probably getting a mid to late 23 1st. Any value that Jones gives this season is icing on the cake.

It’s close for sure. The value is right.

I have more concerns about Deebo’s sustainable production than JJ’s. His style of play & usage by the team lends sufficient enough risk that I’d be more than willing to upgrade to JJ at the cost here.

Short term the Deebo side is tempting for AJones and that ‘23 1st that you know I love. But long term, I think JJ is the potential WR1 (and has potential to be the FF1 overall) where I see Deebo’s propensity for injury to be a major factor here.

The only risk I see on the Jefferson side is what happens after Cousins, but I’d be willing to take the bet that JJ is QB-proof.

Not getting JJ cheap for sure, but gettin JJ is good enough for me to like that side more.

 

[Blick]

FFPC 1QB
Team A gets:
D. Pierce
T. Sermon
J. Jefferson

Team B gets:
A. Jones
D. Samuel
23 1st

That's interesting. The value looks good, but I'd hate to give up Jefferson.

 

[Ridgeback]

10 Team, PPR, IDP

Team A gets Alan Robinson, James Robinson, 2022 4.4 pick, 2023 3rd round.

Team B gets AJ Dillion, Robert Woods, 2022 3.7, and 2023 2nd round.

I was involved in this trade, and feel it's pretty fair, for the most part.

I probably lean AJ Dillon, as ARob is a bit long in the tooth. Big gamble on James Robinson.

This is one of those deals that’s so close it makes me question why one would make it. I kinda have Woods & ARob as a wash, so the team getting the healthy RB wins.

I'm the team getting the Dillion side. I hated losing Alan Robinson, but getting Dillion and the bump to the 2nd round next year made me accept.


I'd much rather have Robinson than Woods who is even older.

The other team is a huge Rams fan, hence he was all about Alan Robinson.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

10 Team, PPR, IDP

Team A gets Alan Robinson, James Robinson, 2022 4.4 pick, 2023 3rd round.

Team B gets AJ Dillion, Robert Woods, 2022 3.7, and 2023 2nd round.

I was involved in this trade, and feel it's pretty fair, for the most part.

I probably lean AJ Dillon, as ARob is a bit long in the tooth. Big gamble on James Robinson.

This is one of those deals that’s so close it makes me question why one would make it. I kinda have Woods & ARob as a wash, so the team getting the healthy RB wins.

I'm the team getting the Dillion side. I hated losing Alan Robinson, but getting Dillion and the bump to the 2nd round next year made me accept.


I'd much rather have Robinson than Woods who is even older.

The other team is a huge Rams fan, hence he was all about Alan Robinson.

I don’t disagree with your assessment of the wide receivers, but I believe AJ Dillon is the biggest prize in this deal.

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

1QB w/QB premium keep 8 league. League ends up being a hybrid dynasty/redraft. QBs dominate the top 10 in scoring and the differential from QB1 to QB12 is large.

Gave: Javonte, K Allen
Got: Lamar, Tee Higgins

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

1QB w/QB premium keep 8 league. League ends up being a hybrid dynasty/redraft. QBs dominate the top 10 in scoring and the differential from QB1 to QB12 is large.

Gave: Javonte, K Allen
Got: Lamar, Tee Higgins

Given that format, it seems like a great deal for you.

 

[Ridgeback]

10 Team, PPR, IDP

Team A gets Alan Robinson, James Robinson, 2022 4.4 pick, 2023 3rd round.

Team B gets AJ Dillion, Robert Woods, 2022 3.7, and 2023 2nd round.

I was involved in this trade, and feel it's pretty fair, for the most part.

I probably lean AJ Dillon, as ARob is a bit long in the tooth. Big gamble on James Robinson.

This is one of those deals that’s so close it makes me question why one would make it. I kinda have Woods & ARob as a wash, so the team getting the healthy RB wins.

I'm the team getting the Dillion side. I hated losing Alan Robinson, but getting Dillion and the bump to the 2nd round next year made me accept.


I'd much rather have Robinson than Woods who is even older.

The other team is a huge Rams fan, hence he was all about Alan Robinson.

I don’t disagree with your assessment of the wide receivers, but I believe AJ Dillon is the biggest prize in this deal.

Agreed, I'll have to wait a year to see him shine without Jones there.

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

1QB w/QB premium keep 8 league. League ends up being a hybrid dynasty/redraft. QBs dominate the top 10 in scoring and the differential from QB1 to QB12 is large.

Gave: Javonte, K Allen
Got: Lamar, Tee Higgins

Given that format, it seems like a great deal for you.

I was pretty stoked, TBH. Got a top 5 QB in our format and got younger at WR with a fairly solid RB room already.

 

[Jonesin For Some Football]

At the end of the day, we're still talking about opportunity/potential. The fact that he couldn't beat out Sanders for the #2 position last season is concerning. I hope that he makes a 3rd year jump this season, again because I have multiple shares. But he's a 4th/5th WR on those teams where I can afford a "solid chance dart throw". If I'm not in that position, then I absolutely take the 23 1st if I can get it. I've shopped him around a bit this spring/summer and never got more than a late 2nd offer for him.

Too much is being made out of "couldn't beat out" two solid veterans. Some teams defer to veterans and some coaches like the security that comes with veterans that know what they are doing on the field. Those guys were still solid contributors. As it is Davis only saw 9 less targets than Sanders last season so the transition was starting.

I get next year is some miraculous draft class where no player can miss, but for me I'd much rather hold onto Davis and see mediocre results than trade away a 23 year old that puts up a 78-1,125-10 type season for a chance of getting a WR that may put up those numbers someday or may be the next N'Keal Harry.

Exactly what I’ve been saying.

I said pretty much the same about Davis’ 1st two seasons. You can’t knock the dude’s production because the coaches wanted to play experienced vets over a 21-22 year old kid. And when you evaluate his on-field production, it was actually very impressive.

The “couldn’t beat out Sanders or Beasley” thing seems like an inaccurate narrative.

Again - don’t overpay for him, but if you can get Davis with a late ‘23 1st, I’d absolutely do it. Maybe it doesn’t turn out to be a bargain, but I doubt it’s an overpay.

And on the other side, for that late “23 1st to be worth taking over Gabe Davis, they’d have to land on an offense with a good QB, develop chemistry with said QB, have the opportunity to get a high % of offensive snaps, be productive year 1, and be utilized a ton in the red zone. That sounds like a unicorn in the 8-12 range, but hey, it happens.

I got Waddle and Jefferson at 8 in the last 2 drafts that and 23 is suppose to be better than the last 2 right? I get people are high on Gabe Davis but that pick could end up being something special, if you don't feel Davis is special then that pick could very much be an overpay. I'd much rather have Waddle or JJ over him by a mile. I do like Davis but I don't know that shipping a late 1st in a deep draft is automatically a good move. It definitely could turn out to be that as he has upside so it is fair but not a deal I would make. I think an early 2nd is what I would pay and maybe include a 3rd. I'll keep my 1sts in a deep draft and take my swings for the fence.

Sure if you want to automatically assume the best case scenario for the pick it’s a no brainer to take the pick. Of course we could probably list a ton of players in the draft pick range that failed miserably as well.

Not always best case but can't say those aren't out there if you do your research and draft right. Failures will happen but I'd rather take the swing with a chance of failing than trade for a WR2 that I don't feel has 1 upside. Just my thoughts. I know some people are way high on Davis and some people don't trust their drafting as much as I do either. I conceded that a trade like that is safer and fair. Just not a move I would do. If I'm giving a 1st round pick, I want someone with the upside of being a 1 in fantasy at their position and I don't see that with Davis.

I think Davis has plenty of upside, so obviously we disagree there by a lot.

But I do find the narrative fascinating that a player who hasn’t yet had the opportunity for a ~80% target share, and who’s about to get that 80%.+ target share, is somehow being viewed by many as a player without upside.

It’s like he’s being judged for a season he hasn’t yet had, and yet is being downgraded for that, despite most indicators suggesting he’s going to have a monster season.

I’m not saying this is all about you/your position, just what l have observed for several months in the FF community.

And it seems a little incongruous.

My position with Davis is that he’s about to have this tremendous opportunity in a high powered offense, so if the price is right I’m willing to invest, betting that he uses his remarkable size/skills/opportunity to produce at a high level. His floor seems extremely safe as a FF WR2, and I’m not sure why some see that as his ceiling (as your post seems to imply).

What’s his ultimate ceiling? Who knows, he’s only 23, and he plays next to an alpha receiver in Diggs. But he sure seemed to show us a sneak preview of his upside with that 4 TD playoff performance, right?

I’ve also seen the same folks both dismiss that 4-TD game as a fluke or 1-off, yet also question what his upside is. I mean, isn’t that a contradiction?

I’m not saying he’s going to have that sort of game every week (and the Bills would likely hate to be in shootouts like that every week) but like, if THAT wasn’t a WR1 performance, then maybe I don’t understand football as much as I thought I did.

So when it comes to Davis & his upside, I’m willing to make that bet, and see how 2022 plays out. And if his floor is indeed WR2 with a couple spike games, then his future is probably pretty bright. Davis seems like the type of player who works hard to improve his game, and by all accounts that’s accurate.

If so, it’s difficult for me to imagine a scenario where FF WR2 is his ceiling. He’s already shown us he can be more, he just hasn’t had the opportunity yet.

I would start by saying he won't get an 80% target share. Josh Allen isn't going to throw 80% of his passes to him. He may get that in route share. I do think he has upside, I just don't think he has WR1 fantasy upside. I personally don't see him ever being a WR 1-12 in fantasy. Just my prediction and isn't that what we do in fantasy is project what we think guys will do? It isn't about penalizing him, it is about how I feel he would do. I get why people see upside in him and don't fault them for that, I just disagree slightly. It isn't like I'm dogging a guy saying that I think his ceiling is WR 15-18 overall. That isn't bad at all.

He has WR1 weekly upside sure. We already saw it with that 4 TD game but we also saw a guy like Juju kill it with AB and then fall apart without him. Are we sure that if Diggs falls off or eventually leaves that he can take the best CB from the other team every week or safety coverage over the top? Even the Bills offense could have problems producing 2 WR1s in fantasy. That isn't an easy task.

With all of that being said....I could definitely be wrong. Wouldn't be the first or last time it happens. I just don't feel comfortable with viewing him with that much upside even though we have seen the top end in a single game. Just my thoughts. Dude is skilled and saying that I'd give a mid 2nd and a 3rd in a deep 23 draft for him isn't a knock on him. Just means I view him just a little lower than you or others do. He could break out this year but we may not truly know his upside until Diggs ages more. I'd just personally like to see more before I give a 1st rounder, in a great draft, when we don't even know where the pick will fall, for him. The risk could be worth it though. He has a wide range of outcomes there.

Sorry, not target share. Snap count. And I absolutely believe he will be on the field for 80+% of the plays.

I was still drinking coffee. Needed more, obviously. Of course he won’t have 80% target share.

I'd be taking him #1 in redraft leagues if he did. Lol. I don't we are that far off on what we are saying. I just value him a touch lower than you do. Ceiling-wise. I expect a decent year from him.

I totally agree with you though that he should be an extremely solid WR2 for a few years. I don't see any reason why he would fall off like others suggest. Anything can happen though.

 

[Jonesin For Some Football]

Agree.
Lets get back to dynasty trades.
Heres one that just went down OTC (not mine)
PPR/IDP start 9 on offense

Breece Hall
for
Antonio Gibson/1.07 (Olave)

I think this is a plus for the guy getting AG and CO
There is something to be said for the shiny new toy though.

I take Hall here all day. His combine was no joke and the guys that go #1 usually are studs.....see JT and Najee last 2 years. Olave with Famous Jameis throwing him the ball doesn't make that up.

 

[Jonesin For Some Football]

Just had this one accepted tonight and I'm super pumped about it

12 tm 1QB, 1PPR, start 2R/3W/1F

I give: 2022 1.04, 2023 1st, 2023 2nd (both presumed mid-late)

I get: Ja'Marr Chase


Used a combination of acquired picks and my own to do this deal, so I've still got a full complement of '23 picks and the '22 1.01 to take Breece with (I know, we haven't had our draft yet, it's lame). This jumpstarts the hell out of my rebuild plans, although admittedly eats up almost all of the extra draft capital I was accumulating.

This is a great move for you. You basically robbed this guy of Chase. This is at very least a 1st round pick shy of being fair-ish, especially if those picks in 23 are late. This is just terrible and I'm assuming the other guy never finishes very well.

 

[wlwiles]

12 team 1QB 1PPR

Gave: 2023 2nd

Got: Damien Harris & Butker

One of those "give a little to keep good faith negotiations up for future trade talks" kind of deals. I felt like Harris was worth a mid-second. The pick is going back to it's original owner who wanted it bc this is a tank season for him, so it's liable to wind up as the 2.01 or 2.02. Even with Butker as a sweetener still probably makes it a little overpay, but Harris is now my RB4 so I felt comfortable paying it for some depth. Still have two '23 2nds to work with so had a little surplus.

 

[Jonesin For Some Football]

10 Team, PPR, IDP

Team A gets Alan Robinson, James Robinson, 2022 4.4 pick, 2023 3rd round.

Team B gets AJ Dillion, Robert Woods, 2022 3.7, and 2023 2nd round.

I was involved in this trade, and feel it's pretty fair, for the most part.

I probably lean AJ Dillon, as ARob is a bit long in the tooth. Big gamble on James Robinson.

This is one of those deals that’s so close it makes me question why one would make it. I kinda have Woods & ARob as a wash, so the team getting the healthy RB wins.

I'm the team getting the Dillion side. I hated losing Alan Robinson, but getting Dillion and the bump to the 2nd round next year made me accept.


I'd much rather have Robinson than Woods who is even older.

The other team is a huge Rams fan, hence he was all about Alan Robinson.

I think you did good here. A-Rob and Woods is a wash as Robinson will only get so much love as long as Kupp is getting 200 targets a year and he just signed an extension. Dillon is a good get and I like the jump in to the 2nd in a deep draft. I think this fair but an easy win for you.

 

[Jonesin For Some Football]

12 team 1QB 1PPR

Gave: 2023 2nd

Got: Damien Harris & Butker

One of those "give a little to keep good faith negotiations up for future trade talks" kind of deals. I felt like Harris was worth a mid-second. The pick is going back to it's original owner who wanted it bc this is a tank season for him, so it's liable to wind up as the 2.01 or 2.02. Even with Butker as a sweetener still probably makes it a little overpay, but Harris is now my RB4 so I felt comfortable paying it for some depth. Still have two '23 2nds to work with so had a little surplus.

I think Stevenson takes over for Harris soon so I don't know that he is worth an early-mid 2nd in a deep draft so I see this as pretty fair. Ks can be found. If you are trying to add depth and needed a K with nothing on the waivers then this was an ok move. Plus, like you said, good faith trades can add value on its own.

 

[wlwiles]

12 team 1QB 1PPR

Gave: 2023 2nd

Got: Damien Harris & Butker

One of those "give a little to keep good faith negotiations up for future trade talks" kind of deals. I felt like Harris was worth a mid-second. The pick is going back to it's original owner who wanted it bc this is a tank season for him, so it's liable to wind up as the 2.01 or 2.02. Even with Butker as a sweetener still probably makes it a little overpay, but Harris is now my RB4 so I felt comfortable paying it for some depth. Still have two '23 2nds to work with so had a little surplus.

I think Stevenson takes over for Harris soon so I don't know that he is worth an early-mid 2nd in a deep draft so I see this as pretty fair. Ks can be found. If you are trying to add depth and needed a K with nothing on the waivers then this was an ok move. Plus, like you said, good faith trades can add value on its own.

Agree with everything you just said. Harris' future is definitely uncertain, and we know about the whole "don't rely on the NEP backfield" thing...but he's in a contract year so who knows what could happen. IMO he's too talented and still just 25 yrs old. And yeah K is a K, but I didn't have one at all and would have probably ended up with somebody like Boswell on waivers so it was a sweetener worth at least something. And the good faith trade thing, this is an owner I've gotten closer to recently, we've done two trades now in the last 2 months. I got Tyreek off him in the first deal and felt like I won that deal by a little bit so this was "ok I'll give you a good deal back" kinda thing.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

12 team 1QB 1PPR

Gave: 2023 2nd

Got: Damien Harris & Butker

One of those "give a little to keep good faith negotiations up for future trade talks" kind of deals. I felt like Harris was worth a mid-second. The pick is going back to it's original owner who wanted it bc this is a tank season for him, so it's liable to wind up as the 2.01 or 2.02. Even with Butker as a sweetener still probably makes it a little overpay, but Harris is now my RB4 so I felt comfortable paying it for some depth. Still have two '23 2nds to work with so had a little surplus.

I think Stevenson takes over for Harris soon so I don't know that he is worth an early-mid 2nd in a deep draft so I see this as pretty fair. Ks can be found. If you are trying to add depth and needed a K with nothing on the waivers then this was an ok move. Plus, like you said, good faith trades can add value on its own.

Agree with everything you just said. Harris' future is definitely uncertain, and we know about the whole "don't rely on the NEP backfield" thing...but he's in a contract year so who knows what could happen. IMO he's too talented and still just 25 yrs old. And yeah K is a K, but I didn't have one at all and would have probably ended up with somebody like Boswell on waivers so it was a sweetener worth at least something. And the good faith trade thing, this is an owner I've gotten closer to recently, we've done two trades now in the last 2 months. I got Tyreek off him in the first deal and felt like I won that deal by a little bit so this was "ok I'll give you a good deal back" kinda thing.

I thought I saw a blurb earlier this week that the patriots might be considering trading him. So… Wide range of outcomes possible here.

 

[Jonesin For Some Football]

12 team 1QB 1PPR

Gave: 2023 2nd

Got: Damien Harris & Butker

One of those "give a little to keep good faith negotiations up for future trade talks" kind of deals. I felt like Harris was worth a mid-second. The pick is going back to it's original owner who wanted it bc this is a tank season for him, so it's liable to wind up as the 2.01 or 2.02. Even with Butker as a sweetener still probably makes it a little overpay, but Harris is now my RB4 so I felt comfortable paying it for some depth. Still have two '23 2nds to work with so had a little surplus.

I think Stevenson takes over for Harris soon so I don't know that he is worth an early-mid 2nd in a deep draft so I see this as pretty fair. Ks can be found. If you are trying to add depth and needed a K with nothing on the waivers then this was an ok move. Plus, like you said, good faith trades can add value on its own.

Agree with everything you just said. Harris' future is definitely uncertain, and we know about the whole "don't rely on the NEP backfield" thing...but he's in a contract year so who knows what could happen. IMO he's too talented and still just 25 yrs old. And yeah K is a K, but I didn't have one at all and would have probably ended up with somebody like Boswell on waivers so it was a sweetener worth at least something. And the good faith trade thing, this is an owner I've gotten closer to recently, we've done two trades now in the last 2 months. I got Tyreek off him in the first deal and felt like I won that deal by a little bit so this was "ok I'll give you a good deal back" kinda thing.

I thought I saw a blurb earlier this week that the patriots might be considering trading him. So… Wide range of outcomes possible here.

I saw that too. But not sure they consider that still with White retiring but you never know what the Hoody will do.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

12 team 1QB 1PPR

Gave: 2023 2nd

Got: Damien Harris & Butker

One of those "give a little to keep good faith negotiations up for future trade talks" kind of deals. I felt like Harris was worth a mid-second. The pick is going back to it's original owner who wanted it bc this is a tank season for him, so it's liable to wind up as the 2.01 or 2.02. Even with Butker as a sweetener still probably makes it a little overpay, but Harris is now my RB4 so I felt comfortable paying it for some depth. Still have two '23 2nds to work with so had a little surplus.

I think Stevenson takes over for Harris soon so I don't know that he is worth an early-mid 2nd in a deep draft so I see this as pretty fair. Ks can be found. If you are trying to add depth and needed a K with nothing on the waivers then this was an ok move. Plus, like you said, good faith trades can add value on its own.

Agree with everything you just said. Harris' future is definitely uncertain, and we know about the whole "don't rely on the NEP backfield" thing...but he's in a contract year so who knows what could happen. IMO he's too talented and still just 25 yrs old. And yeah K is a K, but I didn't have one at all and would have probably ended up with somebody like Boswell on waivers so it was a sweetener worth at least something. And the good faith trade thing, this is an owner I've gotten closer to recently, we've done two trades now in the last 2 months. I got Tyreek off him in the first deal and felt like I won that deal by a little bit so this was "ok I'll give you a good deal back" kinda thing.

I thought I saw a blurb earlier this week that the patriots might be considering trading him. So… Wide range of outcomes possible here.

I saw that too. But not sure they consider that still with White retiring but you never know what the Hoody will do.

Reportedly, they love what they’ve seen out of Stevenson, and they brought in a few running backs for depth, making Harris potentially irrelevant

 

[wlwiles]

12 team 1QB 1PPR

Gave: 2023 2nd

Got: Damien Harris & Butker

One of those "give a little to keep good faith negotiations up for future trade talks" kind of deals. I felt like Harris was worth a mid-second. The pick is going back to it's original owner who wanted it bc this is a tank season for him, so it's liable to wind up as the 2.01 or 2.02. Even with Butker as a sweetener still probably makes it a little overpay, but Harris is now my RB4 so I felt comfortable paying it for some depth. Still have two '23 2nds to work with so had a little surplus.

I think Stevenson takes over for Harris soon so I don't know that he is worth an early-mid 2nd in a deep draft so I see this as pretty fair. Ks can be found. If you are trying to add depth and needed a K with nothing on the waivers then this was an ok move. Plus, like you said, good faith trades can add value on its own.

Agree with everything you just said. Harris' future is definitely uncertain, and we know about the whole "don't rely on the NEP backfield" thing...but he's in a contract year so who knows what could happen. IMO he's too talented and still just 25 yrs old. And yeah K is a K, but I didn't have one at all and would have probably ended up with somebody like Boswell on waivers so it was a sweetener worth at least something. And the good faith trade thing, this is an owner I've gotten closer to recently, we've done two trades now in the last 2 months. I got Tyreek off him in the first deal and felt like I won that deal by a little bit so this was "ok I'll give you a good deal back" kinda thing.

I thought I saw a blurb earlier this week that the patriots might be considering trading him. So… Wide range of outcomes possible here.

I saw that too. But not sure they consider that still with White retiring but you never know what the Hoody will do.

Reportedly, they love what they’ve seen out of Stevenson, and they brought in a few running backs for depth, making Harris potentially irrelevant

Maybe someone smarter than me about this kind of thing knows but wouldn't letting Harris walk after this year net them a 4th or 5th comp pick? So that kind of sets what his trade value would have to be I would think. Maybe Atlanta comes calling and Harris gets a spike...or maybe Shanahan comes calling and mires him in a 42 headed monster and he becomes Sermon.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

12 team 1QB 1PPR

Gave: 2023 2nd

Got: Damien Harris & Butker

One of those "give a little to keep good faith negotiations up for future trade talks" kind of deals. I felt like Harris was worth a mid-second. The pick is going back to it's original owner who wanted it bc this is a tank season for him, so it's liable to wind up as the 2.01 or 2.02. Even with Butker as a sweetener still probably makes it a little overpay, but Harris is now my RB4 so I felt comfortable paying it for some depth. Still have two '23 2nds to work with so had a little surplus.

I think Stevenson takes over for Harris soon so I don't know that he is worth an early-mid 2nd in a deep draft so I see this as pretty fair. Ks can be found. If you are trying to add depth and needed a K with nothing on the waivers then this was an ok move. Plus, like you said, good faith trades can add value on its own.

Agree with everything you just said. Harris' future is definitely uncertain, and we know about the whole "don't rely on the NEP backfield" thing...but he's in a contract year so who knows what could happen. IMO he's too talented and still just 25 yrs old. And yeah K is a K, but I didn't have one at all and would have probably ended up with somebody like Boswell on waivers so it was a sweetener worth at least something. And the good faith trade thing, this is an owner I've gotten closer to recently, we've done two trades now in the last 2 months. I got Tyreek off him in the first deal and felt like I won that deal by a little bit so this was "ok I'll give you a good deal back" kinda thing.

I thought I saw a blurb earlier this week that the patriots might be considering trading him. So… Wide range of outcomes possible here.

I saw that too. But not sure they consider that still with White retiring but you never know what the Hoody will do.

Reportedly, they love what they’ve seen out of Stevenson, and they brought in a few running backs for depth, making Harris potentially irrelevant

Maybe someone smarter than me about this kind of thing knows but wouldn't letting Harris walk after this year net them a 4th or 5th comp pick? So that kind of sets what his trade value would have to be I would think. Maybe Atlanta comes calling and Harris gets a spike...or maybe Shanahan comes calling and mires him in a 42 headed monster and he becomes Sermon.

Or maybe The hoodie waits to see if we’re running back on another team goes down in the next week or two.

 

[Jonesin For Some Football]

12 team 1QB 1PPR

Gave: 2023 2nd

Got: Damien Harris & Butker

One of those "give a little to keep good faith negotiations up for future trade talks" kind of deals. I felt like Harris was worth a mid-second. The pick is going back to it's original owner who wanted it bc this is a tank season for him, so it's liable to wind up as the 2.01 or 2.02. Even with Butker as a sweetener still probably makes it a little overpay, but Harris is now my RB4 so I felt comfortable paying it for some depth. Still have two '23 2nds to work with so had a little surplus.

I think Stevenson takes over for Harris soon so I don't know that he is worth an early-mid 2nd in a deep draft so I see this as pretty fair. Ks can be found. If you are trying to add depth and needed a K with nothing on the waivers then this was an ok move. Plus, like you said, good faith trades can add value on its own.

Agree with everything you just said. Harris' future is definitely uncertain, and we know about the whole "don't rely on the NEP backfield" thing...but he's in a contract year so who knows what could happen. IMO he's too talented and still just 25 yrs old. And yeah K is a K, but I didn't have one at all and would have probably ended up with somebody like Boswell on waivers so it was a sweetener worth at least something. And the good faith trade thing, this is an owner I've gotten closer to recently, we've done two trades now in the last 2 months. I got Tyreek off him in the first deal and felt like I won that deal by a little bit so this was "ok I'll give you a good deal back" kinda thing.

I thought I saw a blurb earlier this week that the patriots might be considering trading him. So… Wide range of outcomes possible here.

I saw that too. But not sure they consider that still with White retiring but you never know what the Hoody will do.

Reportedly, they love what they’ve seen out of Stevenson, and they brought in a few running backs for depth, making Harris potentially irrelevant

Maybe someone smarter than me about this kind of thing knows but wouldn't letting Harris walk after this year net them a 4th or 5th comp pick? So that kind of sets what his trade value would have to be I would think. Maybe Atlanta comes calling and Harris gets a spike...or maybe Shanahan comes calling and mires him in a 42 headed monster and he becomes Sermon.

It totally depends on what kind of contract he gets from another team and not like teams line up to sign RBs. So it could get a 4th or 5th or maybe even a 7th. Not sure how the comp algorithm works.

 

[The Future Champs]

Just had this one accepted tonight and I'm super pumped about it

12 tm 1QB, 1PPR, start 2R/3W/1F

I give: 2022 1.04, 2023 1st, 2023 2nd (both presumed mid-late)

I get: Ja'Marr Chase


Used a combination of acquired picks and my own to do this deal, so I've still got a full complement of '23 picks and the '22 1.01 to take Breece with (I know, we haven't had our draft yet, it's lame). This jumpstarts the hell out of my rebuild plans, although admittedly eats up almost all of the extra draft capital I was accumulating.

I've got the 1.04 this year, and I'd pay this for Chase immediately. And I'm excited about the players who might be available at 1.04.

 

[Ben & Jerry's]

12 team IDP Dynasty

Gave:
Mike Williams
Alex Mattison

Got:
George Pickens
Nick Cross
2023 3rd

 

[Jonesin For Some Football]

Just had this one accepted tonight and I'm super pumped about it

12 tm 1QB, 1PPR, start 2R/3W/1F

I give: 2022 1.04, 2023 1st, 2023 2nd (both presumed mid-late)

I get: Ja'Marr Chase


Used a combination of acquired picks and my own to do this deal, so I've still got a full complement of '23 picks and the '22 1.01 to take Breece with (I know, we haven't had our draft yet, it's lame). This jumpstarts the hell out of my rebuild plans, although admittedly eats up almost all of the extra draft capital I was accumulating.

I've got the 1.04 this year, and I'd pay this for Chase immediately. And I'm excited about the players who might be available at 1.04.

I'm pretty sure anyone that is even remotely decent at fantasy football would pay this along with more for Chase. In our league Hall, Walker, and London went in the top 3. Just for an idea.

 

[wlwiles]

Just had this one accepted tonight and I'm super pumped about it

12 tm 1QB, 1PPR, start 2R/3W/1F

I give: 2022 1.04, 2023 1st, 2023 2nd (both presumed mid-late)

I get: Ja'Marr Chase


Used a combination of acquired picks and my own to do this deal, so I've still got a full complement of '23 picks and the '22 1.01 to take Breece with (I know, we haven't had our draft yet, it's lame). This jumpstarts the hell out of my rebuild plans, although admittedly eats up almost all of the extra draft capital I was accumulating.

I've got the 1.04 this year, and I'd pay this for Chase immediately. And I'm excited about the players who might be available at 1.04.

I'm pretty sure anyone that is even remotely decent at fantasy football would pay this along with more for Chase. In our league Hall, Walker, and London went in the top 3. Just for an idea.

One thing I didn't mention about the guy selling Chase (it doesn't change the value of the deal at all, but maybe his motive for doing it) is that he has Gibson and Melvin as his only two viable RBs, and Walker is supposed to be available at the 1.04. The two guys picking at 1.02 & 1.03 both told him they were taking London/Burks.

It's one of those situations where I want to message the guy and ask "so what was your thought process in agreeing to this" but don't want to look a gift horse in the mouth either.

 

[mzkp54]

12 team SF

Gave: Goedert, Thornton
Got: Waller, '23 4th

 

[titusbramble]

12 team IDP Dynasty

Gave:
Mike Williams
Alex Mattison

Got:
George Pickens
Nick Cross
2023 3rd

If Cross is some IDP cheat code that I'm not aware of then I retract this comment, but I'd take the other guys side and I don't think it's close

 

[BearsFan4Life]

14 Team Dynasty ... NO PPR

Gave: AJones, Goedart
Got: Ekeler

 

[FreshiZ]

1PT PPR

Team A: CMC, Davonte Adams
Team B: Jonathan Taylor, Dionte Johnson

 

[jm192]

12 team SF

Gave: Goedert, Thornton
Got: Waller, '23 4th

I feel like Waller wins by a decent bit here.

 

[jm192]

1PT PPR

Team A: CMC, Davonte Adams
Team B: Jonathan Taylor, Dionte Johnson

I think it's fine. If you're in win now mode, Team A is better.
Long term, Team B is better

 

[titusbramble]

1PT PPR

Team A: CMC, Davonte Adams
Team B: Jonathan Taylor, Dionte Johnson

Smash accepting if I am getting the Taylor side, but I can understand the other way if the Adams team is in a win now window and thinks McCaffrey will stay healthy

 

[Ben & Jerry's]

12 team IDP Dynasty

Gave:
Mike Williams
Alex Mattison

Got:
George Pickens
Nick Cross
2023 3rd

If Cross is some IDP cheat code that I'm not aware of then I retract this comment, but I'd take the other guys side and I don't think it's close

Cross will likely be a top 10 option @ Safety but it sounds like you don't play IDP

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

1PT PPR

Team A: CMC, Davonte Adams
Team B: Jonathan Taylor, Dionte Johnson

Blockbuster. Fair deal. Hard to say which side I’d prefer. Probably JT/Dionte purely for the age of Adams.

But the upside on the CMC/Adams side is league-winning.

So depends on what my team mode is.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

14 Team Dynasty ... NO PPR

Gave: AJones, Goedart
Got: Ekeler

I’m on the Jones/Gogurt side.

 

[wlwiles]

1PT PPR

Team A: CMC, Davonte Adams
Team B: Jonathan Taylor, Dionte Johnson

Age benefit of the B side and the little bit of uncertainty with Adams in LV so I'll take B side. I think if Adams stayed in GB I'd probably take A side unless I was full of aging guys already

 

[wlwiles]

14 Team Dynasty ... NO PPR

Gave: AJones, Goedart
Got: Ekeler

Fair deal. Depends on what you have left at TE to say whether or not you did well.

 

[wlwiles]

12 team SF

Gave: Goedert, Thornton
Got: Waller, '23 4th

Waller side easily for me, nice job

 

[JoeJoe88]

PPR w/ 1.5 TEP & 4 Flex spots

Gabe Davis

For

2023 First (Likely to be between picks 8-10)

Phew. Pick easily for me.

Looking at projected 2023 ADP, who are you going to take at 1.08-1.10 over Gabe Davis?

A lot will certainly change, but as of now I’m looking at
1.08 Addison
1.09 Johnston
1.10 Tank Bigsby
1.11 Sean Tucker

I could see needing a RB, ok. But with Davis’ current value, one could trade him for a pretty good RB.

But I’m not sure why you’d take Addison or Johnson in their TBD situation with no NFL track record over Davis, who appears to be locked in to a valuable role in the Bills passing offense with Josh Allen, and who’s shown the ability to perform at the NFL level.

Not criticizing the response, just looking to understand it better.

I love 2023 picks more than most folks, and I would take the Davis side rather easily here.

I’m not a big Gabe fan buddy, so I think the value here is easily with the pick as it’s just going to continue to gain value. I know a lot of folks are convinced Gabe will as well, I just can’t say I’m there.

That doesn’t really answer my question. We all have our preferences. What is it about Davis you don’t like?

14 Team Dynasty ... NO PPR

Gave: AJones, Goedart
Got: Ekeler

I may be in the minority but I kinda see this as a free TE.

 

[titusbramble]

12 team IDP Dynasty

Gave:
Mike Williams
Alex Mattison

Got:
George Pickens
Nick Cross
2023 3rd

If Cross is some IDP cheat code that I'm not aware of then I retract this comment, but I'd take the other guys side and I don't think it's close

Cross will likely be a top 10 option @ Safety but it sounds like you don't play IDP

I don't, but from what i have picked up in terms of general values I would probably be wanting a fair bit more than "likely a top 10 option". If someone wants to take me to task with relative values in IDP leagues then shoot, admittedly it is not my forte, but I would take Williams for Pickens comfortably, Mattison for a third comfortably, so it's down to random safety I've never heard of versus replacement

 

[Jonesin For Some Football]

1PT PPR

Team A: CMC, Davonte Adams
Team B: Jonathan Taylor, Dionte Johnson

This is interesting. I like both sides and usually go towards the top prospect which would JT. With CMC's injury I might lean that way but this is pretty fair and helps CMC/Adams more this year.

 

[Jonesin For Some Football]

PPR w/ 1.5 TEP & 4 Flex spots

Gabe Davis

For

2023 First (Likely to be between picks 8-10)

Phew. Pick easily for me.

Looking at projected 2023 ADP, who are you going to take at 1.08-1.10 over Gabe Davis?

A lot will certainly change, but as of now I’m looking at
1.08 Addison
1.09 Johnston
1.10 Tank Bigsby
1.11 Sean Tucker

I could see needing a RB, ok. But with Davis’ current value, one could trade him for a pretty good RB.

But I’m not sure why you’d take Addison or Johnson in their TBD situation with no NFL track record over Davis, who appears to be locked in to a valuable role in the Bills passing offense with Josh Allen, and who’s shown the ability to perform at the NFL level.

Not criticizing the response, just looking to understand it better.

I love 2023 picks more than most folks, and I would take the Davis side rather easily here.

I’m not a big Gabe fan buddy, so I think the value here is easily with the pick as it’s just going to continue to gain value. I know a lot of folks are convinced Gabe will as well, I just can’t say I’m there.

That doesn’t really answer my question. We all have our preferences. What is it about Davis you don’t like?

14 Team Dynasty ... NO PPR

Gave: AJones, Goedart
Got: Ekeler

I may be in the minority but I kinda see this as a free TE.

You are saying Jones and Ek are even? You could "maybe" make that argument this year but moving forward Jones value is going to plummet the more Dillon takes over. I'd take the Jones/Goedert side as well (especially in standard scoring) but to say its a free TE feels a little bit too much. Ek will be a #1 RB longer than Jones will for sure.

 

[BearsFan4Life]

14 Team Dynasty ... NO PPR

Gave: AJones, Goedart
Got: Ekeler

Fair deal. Depends on what you have left at TE to say whether or not you did well.

I have Kelce and Kmet still at TE.. Dillon scares me on goal line and not a ppr. Have McCaffrey, Chubb and Ekeler. Can start 2 at RB and 1 at Flex.

 

[FreshiZ]

12 team SF

Gave: Goedert, Thornton
Got: Waller, '23 4th

I'd take the Goedert side. Should be comparable to Waller numbers and Thorton a much better prospect than a 4th.

 

[FreshiZ]

1PT PPR

Team A: CMC, Davonte Adams
Team B: Jonathan Taylor, Dionte Johnson

Age benefit of the B side and the little bit of uncertainty with Adams in LV so I'll take B side. I think if Adams stayed in GB I'd probably take A side unless I was full of aging guys already

Full of aging guys, just trying to make another run as long as Kelce can stay elite then it's back to the basement.

 

[Buckna]

1PT PPR

Team A: CMC, Davonte Adams
Team B: Jonathan Taylor, Dionte Johnson

Maybe I am in the minority but I wouldn't trade Taylor alone for that to be honest. I get 3 years older at RB for a guy who's barely played the last 2 years and will be 27 next year, Adams switched teams and is turning 30 this year. Those are swiftly declining assets with a lot of risk and no lock to produce as they have in years past.

 

[joey]

1PT PPR

Team A: CMC, Davonte Adams
Team B: Jonathan Taylor, Dionte Johnson

JT #1 overall Dynasty RB and Dionte is often only 5-7 slots below Adams in the rankings, AND CMC has 2 years of injuries in a row. I easily go the JT side even if I’m in Win Now mode since I think both sides are Win Now pieces, but the JT side is Win Now and Win Later.

 

[barackdhouse]

This one fell out of the sky a couple minutes ago.

FFPC 1QB

I gave 2023 7th
I got Palmer

I have room.