****OFFICIAL DYNASTY TRADES**** (42 Viewers)

[joey]

14 team 1.5 TE PPR (different league then the other one)
This trade has a caveat so it needs to be graded on a curve. We have contracts in these leagues and when they run out you can franchise them but they are on a 1 year contract so teams can do blind bid offers and you can accept 1 (with that new team getting them on open contract) or you can play it out on the 1 year deal and they become a RFA next year (you can franchise a max 2 times)

So the trade is clearly in my favor but looking at from his view might be why it gets accepted.

1.10
2.10
3.12

For

DK Metcalf

How many players can you franchise?

 

[Dez]

14 team 1.5 TE PPR (different league then the other one)
This trade has a caveat so it needs to be graded on a curve. We have contracts in these leagues and when they run out you can franchise them but they are on a 1 year contract so teams can do blind bid offers and you can accept 1 (with that new team getting them on open contract) or you can play it out on the 1 year deal and they become a RFA next year (you can franchise a max 2 times)

So the trade is clearly in my favor but looking at from his view might be why it gets accepted.

1.10
2.10
3.12

For

DK Metcalf

How many players can you franchise?

1 per year cost you $15 out of $50 budget RFA/FA and you can only franchise same guy twice before he will become a RFA where everyone can bid on him and if you have the money you could match to keep.

 

[Dez]

14 team 1.5 TE PPR someone else's trade just now which I don't get

1.13
3.03

for

Jerry Jeudy

 

[joey]

14 team 1.5 TE PPR (different league then the other one)
This trade has a caveat so it needs to be graded on a curve. We have contracts in these leagues and when they run out you can franchise them but they are on a 1 year contract so teams can do blind bid offers and you can accept 1 (with that new team getting them on open contract) or you can play it out on the 1 year deal and they become a RFA next year (you can franchise a max 2 times)

So the trade is clearly in my favor but looking at from his view might be why it gets accepted.

1.10
2.10
3.12

For

DK Metcalf

How many players can you franchise?

1 per year cost you $15 out of $50 budget RFA/FA and you can only franchise same guy twice before he will become a RFA where everyone can bid on him and if you have the money you could match to keep.

So it’s a Keep 1 league? I’m obviously confused by the format. Feel free to ignore

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

14 team 1.5 TE PPR someone else's trade just now which I don't get

1.13
3.03

for

Jerry Jeudy

Maybe hoping for a trade?

I’d probably buy Jeudy for that. It’s an overpay but not by that much.

 

[JohnnyU]

14 team 1.5 TE PPR someone else's trade just now which I don't get

1.13
3.03

for

Jerry Jeudy

Maybe hoping for a trade?

I’d probably buy Jeudy for that. It’s an overpay but not by that much.

It’s not an overpay at all. It’s an underpay.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

14 team 1.5 TE PPR someone else's trade just now which I don't get

1.13
3.03

for

Jerry Jeudy

Maybe hoping for a trade?

I’d probably buy Jeudy for that. It’s an overpay but not by that much.

It’s not an overpay at all. It’s an underpay.

Huh

Beauty in the eye of the beholder I suppose: I like Jeudy, but 13th overall pick seems like it should get it done.

 

[JohnnyU]

14 team 1.5 TE PPR someone else's trade just now which I don't get

1.13
3.03

for

Jerry Jeudy

Maybe hoping for a trade?

I’d probably buy Jeudy for that. It’s an overpay but not by that much.

It’s not an overpay at all. It’s an underpay.

Huh

Beauty in the eye of the beholder I suppose: I like Jeudy, but 13th overall pick seems like it should get it done.

Not to me it doesn’t. What you will get at 13 isn’t exactly a sure thing, I’d rather have Jeudy.

 

[Dez]

14 team 1.5 TE PPR (different league then the other one)
This trade has a caveat so it needs to be graded on a curve. We have contracts in these leagues and when they run out you can franchise them but they are on a 1 year contract so teams can do blind bid offers and you can accept 1 (with that new team getting them on open contract) or you can play it out on the 1 year deal and they become a RFA next year (you can franchise a max 2 times)

So the trade is clearly in my favor but looking at from his view might be why it gets accepted.

1.10
2.10
3.12

For

DK Metcalf

How many players can you franchise?

1 per year cost you $15 out of $50 budget RFA/FA and you can only franchise same guy twice before he will become a RFA where everyone can bid on him and if you have the money you could match to keep.

So it’s a Keep 1 league? I’m obviously confused by the format. Feel free to ignore

No its a full dynasty league but we have contracts and you can franchise 1 player per year when their contract runs out and get a 1 year contract.

 

[Dez]

14 team 1.5 TE PPR someone else's trade just now which I don't get

1.13
3.03

for

Jerry Jeudy

Maybe hoping for a trade?

I’d probably buy Jeudy for that. It’s an overpay but not by that much.

It’s not an overpay at all. It’s an underpay.

According to startups right now in FFPC Jeudy goes around 1.04 pick

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

14 team 1.5 TE PPR someone else's trade just now which I don't get

1.13
3.03

for

Jerry Jeudy

Maybe hoping for a trade?

I’d probably buy Jeudy for that. It’s an overpay but not by that much.

It’s not an overpay at all. It’s an underpay.

Huh

Beauty in the eye of the beholder I suppose: I like Jeudy, but 13th overall pick seems like it should get it done.

Not to me it doesn’t. What you will get at 13 isn’t exactly a sure thing, I’d rather have Jeudy.

I would too. I don’t know that I’d pay more than 1.13 for him.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

14 team 1.5 TE PPR someone else's trade just now which I don't get

1.13
3.03

for

Jerry Jeudy

Maybe hoping for a trade?

I’d probably buy Jeudy for that. It’s an overpay but not by that much.

It’s not an overpay at all. It’s an underpay.

According to startups right now in FFPC Jeudy goes around 1.04 pick

1.04?!

That’s cray.

 

[JohnnyU]

14 team 1.5 TE PPR someone else's trade just now which I don't get

1.13
3.03

for

Jerry Jeudy

Maybe hoping for a trade?

I’d probably buy Jeudy for that. It’s an overpay but not by that much.

It’s not an overpay at all. It’s an underpay.

Huh

Beauty in the eye of the beholder I suppose: I like Jeudy, but 13th overall pick seems like it should get it done.

Not to me it doesn’t. What you will get at 13 isn’t exactly a sure thing, I’d rather have Jeudy.

I would too. I don’t know that I’d pay more than 1.13 for him.

Only league I’d rather have the13 is a DEVY league that includes rookies and DEVY picks in the same draft.

 

[Dez]

14 team 1.5 TE PPR someone else's trade just now which I don't get

1.13
3.03

for

Jerry Jeudy

Maybe hoping for a trade?

I’d probably buy Jeudy for that. It’s an overpay but not by that much.

It’s not an overpay at all. It’s an underpay.

According to startups right now in FFPC Jeudy goes around 1.04 pick

1.04?!

That’s cray.

Current dynasty startup ADP in FFPC 1 QB league

Pick 46 = Jerry Jeudy
pick 51 =4th rookie pick off board

 

[foxco]

Seems high for Jeudy, maybe a testament to the perceived drop-off after the first 3 rookies this year...

 

[Dez]

Seems high for Jeudy, maybe a testament to the perceived drop-off after the first 3 rookies this year...

Also people want to win usually in startups so they rather buy the already producing piece. Last year you could get guys like Wilson and Olave in the 5th or 6th rounds of a startup and they are now going in the late 1st/early 2nd. People want instant production they don't want to wait unless they are getting a sure thing. (most people)

 

[The Future Champs]

I’m just happy I don’t have Jeudy on any roster.

 

[rockaction]

I’m just happy I don’t have Jeudy on any roster.

I'm with you on that one. The 1.04 just seems nuts to me. For a guy that's done virtually nothing in three years?

Hard pass.

 

[rockaction]

1.04?!

That’s cray.

No way am I paying that for Jeudy.

 

[jabarony]

1.04?!

That’s cray.

No way am I paying that for Jeudy.

Even if I don't love anyone at 1.04, I take the pick and trade it for a future 1st+. Whatever the haul, it's better than Jeudy.

 

[Dez]

I was just referencing in the FFPC current startups that Jeudy was going slightly before the 4th rookie was going off the board. I wasn't saying people were trading the 1.04 for Jeudy.

 

[rockaction]

Even if I don't love anyone at 1.04, I take the pick and trade it for a future 1st+. Whatever the haul, it's better than Jeudy.

I don't know if I'd do that literally, but it'd be close. I'd hope for a higher return from the 1.04 no matter how I felt about this draft. I think there are going to be running backs going in the second that weigh over 200 lbs. That's a valuable asset right there if you don't like the small receivers or Johnson.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

People want instant production they don't want to wait unless they are getting a sure thing. (most people)

So why would they draft Jeudy? He hasn’t produced in 3 years. That’s hardly instant.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I was just referencing in the FFPC current startups that Jeudy was going slightly before the 4th rookie was going off the board. I wasn't saying people were trading the 1.04 for Jeudy.

Oh. Thanks for clarifying because that’s literally what you typed. lol

 

[JohnnyU]

1.04?!

That’s cray.

No way am I paying that for Jeudy.

Even if I don't love anyone at 1.04, I take the pick and trade it for a future 1st+. Whatever the haul, it's better than Jeudy.

I agree about the 1.4 > Jeudy, so perhaps the #46 pick should have been the 1.4 instead of Jeudy. However, I believe the 1.13 is such as crapshoot I'd rather have Jeudy. Thus the reason why getting the 1.13 and some random 3rd for Jeudy was light IIMO.

 

[barackdhouse]

Not a biggie but I just have to say I'm just a little bit tired of people that don't play SF trying to chime in over and over. I don't ever comment on IDP leagues because I don't play them. I don't comment on salary cap leagues either. In my twitter circles it is rare to find anyone that plays 1QB anymore and when I ask "are you talking SF" they say "of course, always, I only play SF." But here it's the opposite. There are like three of us that play it here. So IDK maybe it's not very valuable to post the trades I come across or am involved in.

Just ten cents but the amount of "I don't play SF but...." is really a bit much. Take it or leave it just wanted to get that out there.

 

[barackdhouse]

"IDK WTF I'm talking about but I'm gonna chime in twenty times anyway"

 

[JohnnyU]

Not a biggie but I just have to say I'm just a little bit tired of people that don't play SF trying to chime in over and over. I don't ever comment on IDP leagues because I don't play them. I don't comment on salary cap leagues either. In my twitter circles it is rare to find anyone that plays 1QB anymore and when I ask "are you talking SF" they say "of course, always, I only play SF." But here it's the opposite. There are like three of us that play it here. So IDK maybe it's not very valuable to post the trades I come across or am involved in.

Just ten cents but the amount of "I don't play SF but...." is really a bit much. Take it or leave it just wanted to get that out there.

I don't play SF, but I am trying to learn without investing in them. I feel I know more now than I did this time last year.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

"IDK WTF I'm talking about but I'm gonna chime in twenty times anyway"

You just described the internet.

 

[rockaction]

Not a biggie but I just have to say I'm just a little bit tired of people that don't play SF trying to chime in over and over.

Personally, I don't chime in on SF anymore and have said that. I think I did once when the person asked for specific help on an urgent trade. That was Hot Sauce Guy over the past few weeks. I also play SF redraft, so the lines are blurred and a bit muddy. Maybe they aren't. But I know how valuable QBs are in the format, just not how valuable they are to specific leagues.

That said, you could really say that posting trades isn't productive if you play in specific formats that are different from the standard leagues. FFPC is wildly different than Zealots. Trades are incomparable even with QBs constant in those leagues because of roster sizes and requirements. It's just the way it is.

Yet we try our best anyway. if you want specific, SF-influenced FFPC advice, you'd best stick to the format if that's all you really play. What you have here are amateur experts surfing their way through it and groping in the dark when we assess trades.

That's really the truth. But it helps to get a generalized value of guys. Perhaps SF flexes QBs to such a degree that one can't possibly comment one way or the other.

I know this isn't about me, but as far as Jeudy goes, I was chiming in about a league I assumed wasn't SF. I think we need to figure out what should be assumed and what shouldn't be. I think SF should be specified and 1QB still default.

 

[rockaction]

"IDK WTF I'm talking about but I'm gonna chime in twenty times anyway"

This was in The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test by Tom Wolfe, by the way. Kesey and the Merry Pranksters decided that "I'm no ____, but this is what I think" was the most awfulest thing ever. When in reality, there's wisdom to often be gleaned from people with at least some personal experience or layperson's opinions. Doesn't make those opinions dispositive, but can be useful. It's all in the weight you give it. And that's on the listener.

And that's my personal ten cents.

 

[TartanLion]

Completed the Josh Allen trade

SF 12 team start 10 0.5ppr

1.01/Etienne/Allgeier/Geno Smith/3.12

For

Josh Allen/2.02/4.04

EDIT - currently has been wiped due to commissioner error in rookie draft order was 2.11 not 2.02

 

[Dr. Octopus]

"IDK WTF I'm talking about but I'm gonna chime in twenty times anyway"

Should we just stop at SF because many people talk out of their asses on this board about all subjects.

I’ve seen many people repeat the same BS over and over, including many that dominate the discussion in here.

 

[JohnnyU]

Completed the Josh Allen trade

SF 12 team start 10 0.5ppr

1.01/Etienne/Allgeier/Geno Smith/3.12

For

Josh Allen/2.02/4.04

In SF I’ll take the Allen side.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Completed the Josh Allen trade

SF 12 team start 10 0.5ppr

1.01/Etienne/Allgeier/Geno Smith/3.12

For

Josh Allen/2.02/4.04

In SF I’ll take the Allen side.

Do you play in SF?

 

[Dez]

Not a biggie but I just have to say I'm just a little bit tired of people that don't play SF trying to chime in over and over. I don't ever comment on IDP leagues because I don't play them. I don't comment on salary cap leagues either. In my twitter circles it is rare to find anyone that plays 1QB anymore and when I ask "are you talking SF" they say "of course, always, I only play SF." But here it's the opposite. There are like three of us that play it here. So IDK maybe it's not very valuable to post the trades I come across or am involved in.

Just ten cents but the amount of "I don't play SF but...." is really a bit much. Take it or leave it just wanted to get that out there.

I don't play SF, but I am trying to learn without investing in them. I feel I know more now than I did this time last year.

I don't play SF and I am not trying to learn about it because I think it way over values QB's. I also never comment on SF trades they don't insterest me at all.
Imagine in 2021 rookie draft taking Lance over Chase because that is what everyone was doing in SF and just like this year you are "wrong" to not take a QB at the 1.02, 1.03, 1.04 in SF (Every mock I watch now is freaking SF so I have to hear it over and over). Imagine taking Zach Wilson over "insert anyone" in 2021 in the mid 1st.
There really needs to be a balance of QB's get more valued in 1 QB or less valued in SF. Someone needs to find a middle ground. Make QB pts worth less in SF or something.
I think it asburd to watch a mock SF startup and see 9 QBs go in the 1st round and another 6 in the 2nd round. What world am I living in where a Bryce Young, CJ Stroud, Dak, Kyler Murray and Anthony Richardson, D Watson all go ahead of Johnathan Taylor. Where Lawrence goes ahead of Jefferson and Chase. This is not a world I want to be living in.

 

[TartanLion]

Completed the Josh Allen trade

SF 12 team start 10 0.5ppr

1.01/Etienne/Allgeier/Geno Smith/3.12

For

Josh Allen/2.02/4.04

This has actually just had to be vetoed as the commissioner had set the draft to snake instead of linear and it was the 2.11 and not 2.02

 

[rockaction]

There really needs to be a balance of QB's get more valued in 1 QB or less valued in SF. Someone needs to find a middle ground. Make QB pts worth less in SF or something.

My other dynasty league -- besides the Zealots one I'm in -- awards one point for every ten yards thrown and adds and subtracts points for completion percentage. It's a six point TD passing league. Quarterbacks can and do win games on passing alone. It's the best scoring system I've seen yet. Each yard gained by anybody else is .2 per and touchdowns are still worth six points, so it makes the yardage/touchdown weight less about luck and more about yards gained.

It's an all-offense league, so it's different than Zealots. I get both an iDP league and a league that puts a premium on what correlates most to scoring in the NFL. It's a nice two leagues to be in.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Completed the Josh Allen trade

SF 12 team start 10 0.5ppr

1.01/Etienne/Allgeier/Geno Smith/3.12

For

Josh Allen/2.02/4.04

EDIT - currently has been wiped due to commissioner error in rookie draft order was 2.11 not 2.02

Hell to the yea! Good job countering. So you get to keep Dobbins and get Allen.

It wasn’t cheap, but IMO worth it.

So wait - you’re getting 2.11 back or 2.02?

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Completed the Josh Allen trade

SF 12 team start 10 0.5ppr

1.01/Etienne/Allgeier/Geno Smith/3.12

For

Josh Allen/2.02/4.04

This has actually just had to be vetoed as the commissioner had set the draft to snake instead of linear and it was the 2.11 and not 2.02

Noooooooo!

 

[efactor]

"IDK WTF I'm talking about but I'm gonna chime in twenty times anyway"

I’ve seen many people repeat the same BS over and over, including many that dominate the discussion in here.

Spot on

 

[JohnnyU]

Completed the Josh Allen trade

SF 12 team start 10 0.5ppr

1.01/Etienne/Allgeier/Geno Smith/3.12

For

Josh Allen/2.02/4.04

In SF I’ll take the Allen side.

Do you play in SF?

No, but I’m considering it. I’m trying to learn as much as I can in order to be better prepared in case I make the leap. I don’t want to join something and bail after a year.

 

[Dez]

FFPC standard not involved
Taylor
for
Metcalf and Hunt

 

[JohnnyU]

FFPC standard not involved
Taylor
for
Metcalf and Hunt

Taylor and it isn’t close.

 

[Dez]

14 team 1.5 TE PPR not SF. I made a couple offers for the 1.01 pick and then went to get some food and ran into a guy in the store in me league and he said "I see you traded for the 1.01" and I said "Oh really which offer did he take"

1.05
1.13
2024 1st

For

1.01

A bargain.

Interesting to me not anyone else I am sure but I tried to trade this same guy for Mahomes in another league he wanted the same deal 3 1st round picks (would been 7,9 and future 1st) and I told him that was too much for Mahomes and he responded saying how can I not trade him the same deal for a better player in Mahomes then the 1.01 and that I overpaid him for the 1.01.
I guess I should offered him less for the 1.01 he jumped on that so fast maybe I could got away with giving 1.05, 1.13 and 2.09 instead of that future 1st.
Also interesting he values Mahomes more than Bijan I told him he was the only one.
Forgot to note not SF

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Also interesting he values Mahomes more than Bijan I told him he was the only one.

I value Mahomes more than Bijan, but I play SF.

In 1 QB I’d think they’d be close.

 

[rockaction]

In 1 QB I’d think they’d be close.

They're somewhat close. Keeptradecut has Bijan worth 800 more points. Interesting.

FBG has Biijan as nine points worth in value ahead of Mahomes.

It's pretty significant on the calcs, actually, so maybe Dez has a point.

Usually your RB1 is higher than your QB1, but there's durability concerns because of the RB position writ large, if you ask me.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Usually your RB1 is higher than your QB1, but there's durability concerns because of the RB position writ large, if you ask me.

Yeah - I mean for dynasty I have to take into account the longevity factor - with an elite QB you’re talking 10-15 years of set of & forget it production.

With a RB it’s substantially less.

So a lot of how folks will value Bijan’s Vs Mahomes has to do with short Vs long term approach. I could see substantial variance depending on owner’s mindset.

 

[rockaction]

Yeah - I mean for dynasty I have to take into account the longevity factor - with an elite QB you’re talking 10-15 years of set of & forget it production.

Yep. Especially in leagues where QBs score a little more or are worth more relatively. It's funny. I've become convinced really early picks are better spent on receivers in dynasty, even. Maybe that's just because I landed Chase and never looked back even once at the other guys that year. But it just seems that more of the hero or zero RB approach is the way to go rather than trying to build a room. Too injured, too often.

I don't know. Something I'm mulling this year, though this year seems to be a bad year to put that into practice. (I don't have early picks anyway.)

 

[Dez]

Usually your RB1 is higher than your QB1, but there's durability concerns because of the RB position writ large, if you ask me.

Yeah - I mean for dynasty I have to take into account the longevity factor - with an elite QB you’re talking 10-15 years of set of & forget it production.

With a RB it’s substantially less.

So a lot of how folks will value Bijan’s Vs Mahomes has to do with short Vs long term approach. I could see substantial variance depending on owner’s mindset.

Except in contract leagues where Mahomes would have 4 years left on his contract which is the case in this situation. I can put 7 or 8 years on Bijan.

As a note in current 1 QB FFPC startups
Bijan ADP 3
Mahomes ADP 22