One More Rep
Footballguy
Hopkins for me but I can see other side12 Team PPR 1/2/2/1flex/1te
Small bump for return yards (and return TD's)
gave Tyreek and D Cook
got D Hopkins and Tarik Cohen
Hopkins for me but I can see other side12 Team PPR 1/2/2/1flex/1te
Small bump for return yards (and return TD's)
gave Tyreek and D Cook
got D Hopkins and Tarik Cohen
Mixon side12 tm PPR
Gave: Kupp, 1.05
Got: Mixon, 1.08
Easily worth the gamble on Mixon by dropping back 3 spots in the 1st. I had nothing at RB so happy to land Mixon, plus I also have the 1.07 as well...
Zeke for me.1.01 for Zeke
Wow, I think Watson is worth pretty close to Hilton. I wouldn't expect such an overpay for a 28 yo WR. Think he should have gotten a 2nd back with Hilton.1.08, Deshaun for T.Y Hilton
Is it a player valuation issue (ie not an ar15 believer) or do you just think a player like Barkley is that winning 500million powerball ticket? I was ready to dig in until draft time but figured no one was going to beat that. How much more would you have needed- or would you not consider moving the 1.01? Or do you usually side with the best overall piece of a trade? I’m just curious as to what your thinking is.One More Rep said:That is a nice return and I still prefer 1.1
I like what you got here.12 team, 2RB, 2WR, TE, Flex. No PPR for RB, 0.5 for WR and TE
gave: Hunt, Graham and 3.11 rookie
got: 1.02, 2.02 and M Williams LAC
i love Guice, and I should get a good rookie at 2.02 plus Williams is worth a flier. My team is solid (finished 2nd and 1st the past two years) and want to keep adding youth to my roster
This trade easily could have been a win-win. If we saw the PPG difference between Kupp vs. the WR he's replacing and Hyde vs. the RB he's replacing then it might make more sense to the outside observers. And I'm probably on an island here, but I like Dixon as a flyer. I think he's still got a shot to be a solid NFL starter with his 3-down ability. So this is a trade that could look good for both teams in 2018 or could even look lopsided if Kupp, Dixon, or Hyde jump a tier or more. But if they were just rotting on the other guy's bench, then that's why it could be a win-win.FreeBaGeL said:4-8ppg is a TON.
4ppg is the difference between Golden Tate and Odell Beckham. 8ppg is the difference between Tate and Antonio Brown.
4ppg is the difference between Lamar Miller and Shady McCoy. 8ppg is the difference between Lamar Miller and Zeke.
First off, this belongs in the Assistant Coach Subforum.elitzer said:ok your thoughts.2 qb league.i have rookie pick 1.1 but it is a devy league and there are 36 players that will be gone already.what are your guys thoughts on me giving aaron jones and 1.1 for Garoppolo, Jimmy SFO QB? my qbs are bortles ,tribisky and whniston
it is ppr dynasty.
my runnings backs are pretty weak but my receivers strong and have 3 top rookie wrs per devy picks.
Mack, Marlon IND RB (R)
Perine, Samaje WAS RB (R)
Ware, Spencer KCC RB (I)
White, James NEP RB
Fair deal. I take the duo.battlestar said:12 Team PPR 1/2/2/1flex/1te
Small bump for return yards (and return TD's)
gave Tyreek and D Cook
got D Hopkins and Tarik Cohen
I like it.I’m not stacked at rb but now have 1.03/1.04 to take a couple good ones. Simply too much value to move back 2 spots.
Nice trade.12 tm PPR
Gave: Kupp, 1.05
Got: Mixon, 1.08
Easily worth the gamble on Mixon by dropping back 3 spots in the 1st. I had nothing at RB so happy to land Mixon, plus I also have the 1.07 as well...
Sorry, Hill/Cook. I don't see Cohen being worth much of anything.which one?
I'm torn on this one but lean Nuk. Close trade.Sorry, Hill/Cook. I don't see Cohen being worth much of anything.
I also like the side that got two players.Fair deal. I take the duo.battlestar said:12 Team PPR 1/2/2/1flex/1te
Small bump for return yards (and return TD's)
gave Tyreek and D Cook
got D Hopkins and Tarik Cohen
Cohen only counts as a half.I also like the side that got two players.
I think I take the 1.03 in this deal but I'm not entirely sure. I have Howard in an FFPC league but he's my RB1 and the rest of my RB's kind of suck which leads to my skepticism about this deal. Either way since you have good RB's and it clears 3 roster spots, that's pretty huge. 1.03 it is with the thought of Chubb would make me happy.FFPC league, 1.5 PPR for TE
Gave: Jordan Howard, Kelvin Benjamin, Kyle Rudolph, 4.8, 5.8, 7.8
Got: 1.3, 3.6, 4.3
I guess a little of both. Really high on Barkley and worried about Robinson some. Crowder is decent spot start but can't count on him and not sure what the 1.10 will bring. Just prefer to take what I consider the best and only sure fire piece in the deal. Could end up working for other side or a win/win but, would want what I consider a stud with the picks.Is it a player valuation issue (ie not an ar15 believer) or do you just think a player like Barkley is that winning 500million powerball ticket? I was ready to dig in until draft time but figured no one was going to beat that. How much more would you have needed- or would you not consider moving the 1.01? Or do you usually side with the best overall piece of a trade? I’m just curious as to what your thinking is.
I like the pick here. Think you get a better back than Howard with pick 3FFPC league, 1.5 PPR for TE
Gave: Jordan Howard, Kelvin Benjamin, Kyle Rudolph, 4.8, 5.8, 7.8
Got: 1.3, 3.6, 4.3
The weakest FFPC team I have, of the 6 leagues, this the only where we missed top 2 finish.. first round of playoffs starting Shepard over Howard (missed Shepard's 30-point outburst by one week!). Felt the whole year like I needed one more true horse and I just don't believe Howard is that in a PPR. Ultimately Howard not a guy I really feel comfortable starting, so wanted to move away from him. KB/Rudy are both depth but again never started either all year.
I also liked dealing to this team because even if Howard bounces back and KB turns the corner in BUF, I'm not worried about that team being competitive. Rudy is a solid, albeit not sexy, starting TE in the format who should average 12-14 per game depending on QB play - again though I did not see myself starting Rudy over the 1.3/Drake next season.
Moved really helped with cut-downs.
Core Post-Trade:
Other Team Core Post-Trade:
- Cam/Stafford
- Gordon/Freeman/Drake/Tevin/SEA backs
- Julio/JuJu/Shepard
- Kelce
- 1.3, 1.8, 3.6, 4.3
- Bortles
- Howard/Mack/Gore/CThompson/Powell
- Hilton/Crabtree/Benjamin/Amendola
- Rudolph
- 2.3, 3.3, 4.5, 4.8
Thomas side by a good deal I think12 Tm PPR - QRRWWWTF
A gets: Michael Thomas, 1.07
B gets: Corey Davis, Mike Williams, 1.05
Thomas easily.12 Tm PPR - QRRWWWTF
A gets: Michael Thomas, 1.07
B gets: Corey Davis, Mike Williams, 1.05
Depends on roster room and if I'm competing vs rebuilding but I think the two in the bush will one day collectively be worth more than the one in the hand and the pick upgrade could be nothing or huge. If it goes like last year's draft in most leagues, very significant.12 Tm PPR - QRRWWWTF
A gets: Michael Thomas, 1.07
B gets: Corey Davis, Mike Williams, 1.05
I got this feeling you are surprised and think team A won. Is that correct?Just went down in my primary dynasty league (12-team; 1/2/4/1/F):
Team A gets: E. Manning, D. Hopkins, K. Allen, G. Tate
Team B gets: P. Mahomes, M. Evans, D. Parker, J. Mixon
Surprised at the number of players and the significance of the names involved mostly. Most of my dynasty leagues, trading is a challenging undertaking even for role players.I got this feeling you are surprised and think team A won. Is that correct?
I'm not trying to be a contrarian, but I'd take team B's side.
Give me the guy that has already shown the ability to be a superstar over 2 guys with "potential"12 Tm PPR - QRRWWWTF
A gets: Michael Thomas, 1.07
B gets: Corey Davis, Mike Williams, 1.05
I'd term it a fair trade, just would prefer side B. Team B got a group of players I just happen to like and since I like them I'm biased but think they got a good group of players I think it's a good time to buy.Surprised at the number of players and the significance of the names involved mostly. Most of my dynasty leagues, trading is a challenging undertaking even for role players.
Situationally it actually looks like a "win" for both teams. A has a star-studded lineup and keeps coming up just short. Clearly wanted the extra firepower. B has a strong team but aging and needed an infusion of youth, especially at qb.
In terms of "in a vacuum value" I do favor team A's haul, but I could build an argument for either package. In my case it has mainly to do with having a below-consensus grade on Mixon.
This one is tough. Big Evans fan and drafted mixon high last year in the one league I had a high pick but I think I'd want Team A. manning doesn't do anything for me but Hopkins>Evans, Keenan>Mixon (if it's PPR), Tate>ParkerJust went down in my primary dynasty league (12-team; 1/2/4/1/F):
Team A gets: E. Manning, D. Hopkins, K. Allen, G. Tate
Team B gets: P. Mahomes, M. Evans, D. Parker, J. Mixon
Exactly how I see it.Hopkins>Evans, Keenan>Mixon (if it's PPR), Tate>Parker
While true and I think it's a fair trade and I could see a scernio were I take team B over A but is the bold really that true...yeah huge difference between manning and mahomes but it is only a 1 QB start league so good chance mahomes isn't going to be his only QB plus while he has looked good in his brief opportunities I think it's a little crazy to think mahomes is a for sure rosterable QB in a start 1 league. Tate is older then Parker but at least Tate will score points so I don't think the difference of age matters much. Then the other 4 pieces in deal are all very young so not much youth gained thereThis recent swap is one of the best examples of the different ways that assorted owners look at multiple major-player swaps (especially at this somewhat slow time in relation to NFL-based dynasty match-up action on the fantasy field of honor). It is fairly obvious that player-to-player comparisons can identify which owner is apparently getting "more value in terms of player performance/contributions", both from the recent past/present/short-term future perspective . . . . but what is sometimes missing (and ARODIN has indeed attempted here to provide additional info/data) is a qualitative consideration of ownership objectives including a 2018 emphasis versus a longer term window of consideration. The inclusion of RB Mixon and a highly regarded young QB going to Team B could swing the outcome of this trade even as early as the middle of the current NFL 2018 season schedule this fall, and I've got to complement the owners of Teams A & B who successfully put this multi-player exchange together, without having to consider adding a draft pick or two on one or both sides of this swap.
And as far as my preference for which side I favor in this dynasty trade, I am in the column favoring Team B's roster additions (with my vote being "somewhat" influenced by the swing in years of future contributions the ages of his new players are bring to his roster). Thanks for permitting me to present a longer than normal commentary than that which other owners tend to post herein.
100% agree with thisI don't believe Team B makes this swap without Mahomes being part of the package. Team A was not in pursuit of Eli for the 2018 season to clinch this deal.
HopkinsJust went down in my primary dynasty league (12-team; 1/2/4/1/F):
Team A gets: E. Manning, D. Hopkins, K. Allen, G. Tate
Team B gets: P. Mahomes, M. Evans, D. Parker, J. Mixon
This time last year you'd likely not been able to package Allen and Hopkins toghether for Evans so I can't make that kind of assumption.100% agree with this
just think giving up 3 skill players that are most likely going to score more points for at least the next 2 years as long as everyone is healthy then the 3 he got back is a big price for a QB that hasn't really shown (hasn't really gotten the chance yet) whether he is the real deal.
Great job.12 Tm PPR - QRRWWWTF
Gave: Michael Thomas
Got: 1.02, 1.04
Picks for me here12 Tm PPR - QRRWWWTF
Gave: Michael Thomas
Got: 1.02, 1.04
Picks handily12 Tm PPR - QRRWWWTF
Gave: Michael Thomas
Got: 1.02, 1.04
Since this trade produced so much good analysis and chatter...100% agree with this
just think giving up 3 skill players that are most likely going to score more points for at least the next 2 years as long as everyone is healthy then the 3 he got back is a big price for a QB that hasn't really shown (hasn't really gotten the chance yet) whether he is the real deal.
If it's a league where almost all QBs are rostered though and the guy has a Brady or Brees as starter right now and wants to take a shot at having a guy in a year or two to replace them then I don't blame them since I do like Evans and Mixon.
Boring to say but seems even to me.FFPC
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1.3 and Robby Andersen