That's a reasonable deal, especially if it's 1 PPR across the board.12 team PPR - I’m not involved.
Gronk
for
Drake, OJ Howard, 2019 2nd (probably late)
Probably not a serious money league.Jesus Christ. I love Saquon as much as the next guy, but that's absurd. Take that and run. It's funny, going into last year Evans was being discussed in the realm of ODB as far as dynasty rankings go. Now, after one down season he's just being thrown to the wayside? So you gave up a Defense and rb who will likely offer next to nothing in fantasy value along with Barkley for a top 10 dynasty RB, a top 10 dynasty WR, and another first round pick. I don't care if the pick is the 1.10, that's insane.
Barkley on this one, it isn't that close1.01 for
1.02, 1.05 and E Sanders
And the year before that he had many wondering if he was as rookie fluke and not really all that great and etc., etc.Jesus Christ. I love Saquon as much as the next guy, but that's absurd. Take that and run. It's funny, going into last year Evans was being discussed in the realm of ODB as far as dynasty rankings go. Now, after one down season he's just being thrown to the wayside? So you gave up a Defense and rb who will likely offer next to nothing in fantasy value along with Barkley for a top 10 dynasty RB, a top 10 dynasty WR, and another first round pick. I don't care if the pick is the 1.10, that's insane.
You mean the year he had over 1200 yards? The only thing fluky were his td receptions. And that’s a naturally hard thing to predict from year to year anyway, just ask Julio.And the year before that he had many wondering if he was as rookie fluke and not really all that great and etc., etc.
The second half of Fournette's season, coupled with his final year at LSU, raised serious durability concerns.
As I said before, I'd still likely take the deal but it's not far to go and not unreasonable as it seems on the surface,
Yes, I mean that year. People were unsure about him after that year.You mean the year he had over 1200 yards? The only thing fluky were his td receptions. And that’s a naturally hard thing to predict from year to year anyway, just ask Julio.
let me rephrase, Barkley can get more than thatNo he's not. Nobody is.
Evans had a decent rookie year, bust of a sophomore year, amazing 3rd year, and a bust of a 4th year. who is he?Jesus Christ. I love Saquon as much as the next guy, but that's absurd. Take that and run. It's funny, going into last year Evans was being discussed in the realm of ODB as far as dynasty rankings go. Now, after one down season he's just being thrown to the wayside? So you gave up a Defense and rb who will likely offer next to nothing in fantasy value along with Barkley for a top 10 dynasty RB, a top 10 dynasty WR, and another first round pick. I don't care if the pick is the 1.10, that's insane.
Evans has finished as a WR1 in PPG once in four years and has finished outside the top 20 twice. The mistake with Evans was in ever ranking him in the same tier as OBJ, not in ranking him well below OBJ now.Jesus Christ. I love Saquon as much as the next guy, but that's absurd. Take that and run. It's funny, going into last year Evans was being discussed in the realm of ODB as far as dynasty rankings go. Now, after one down season he's just being thrown to the wayside? So you gave up a Defense and rb who will likely offer next to nothing in fantasy value along with Barkley for a top 10 dynasty RB, a top 10 dynasty WR, and another first round pick. I don't care if the pick is the 1.10, that's insane.
this is exactly how I feel about it.if you told me I couldn't flip Evans/Fournettte for guys I like more and had to keep them I wouldn't take it. I think at least one of Evans/Fournette sees a major value drop after the 2018 season and at that point the odds are pretty fair that Barkley will be worth a fair bit more than the remaining one.
yes. that's great. but to sell for a good RB or WR you need to find someone who also likes fournette and/or Evans, and willing to give up fair value.If you don't like Mike Evans, deal him for Mike Thomas.
If you don't like Fournette, deal him for your second favorite rookie RB, or any other sophomore RB of your liking.
The value is too much to pass up as you aren't dead-ended to these two players - both hold great value despite the negatives presented.
I think you might be overlooking the fact the ankle injury already negatively impacted his season last year. Was a different player before he suffered that ankle injury in week 6, was an entirely different fantasy producer before he suffered that injury. If I thought I was buying the Fournette post ankle injury last year I'd agree with you. And still I'd not at any time classify him as running poorly. More of a product of the ankle injury and the offense that forced him to face more stacked boxes than any RB in the NFL last year, that's really no small thing.Fournette I like decently and have in nearly every league as I was big on him as a prospect, but I think he is a bit overrated now. Not sure why everyone is overlooking that he was kind of poor running the ball last year and on top of that the ankle issue looks like it may be with him for the long term.
I like Moore over Michel, but Drake and Duke easily tip the scale for me.FFPC league, not involved but this went down last night.
Team A gave: Michel, Drake, Duke
Team B gave: DJ Moore and Chris Thompson
Julio and Fitz if you like winning.12 team start 8 RB/WR/TE with 1.5 TE PPR and 8 IDP with 1.5 per tackle, 0.75 assist, 6 per sack/Int contract league block buster deal
Year 2018 Draft Pick 1.11
Year 2018 Draft Pick 4.11
Rudolph, Kyle MIN TE (1 year)
Sanders, Emmanuel DEN WR (1 year)
Year 2019 Round 2 Draft Pick (projected late)
For
Jones, Julio ATL WR (3 years)
Fitzgerald, Larry ARI WR (open contract)
Year 2019 Round 3 Draft Pick (projected early)
I prefer Michel over Moore myself but the team that drafted Michel could have just drafted Moore if they wanted which is what makes this a puzzling and bad trade. IMO they just gave up Drake+ for free when they could have just drafted Moore in the first place.I like Moore over Michel, but Drake and Duke easily tip the scale for me.
where were Moore and Michel drafted? In several of my rookie drafts Michel went at 1.3 and Moore went between 7 and 9. Not saying I agree, just commenting because in most of my drafts you couldn't have 'just drafted Michel over Moore'menobrown said:I prefer Michel over Moore myself but the team that drafted Michel could have just drafted Moore if they wanted which is what makes this a puzzling and bad trade. IMO they just gave up Drake+ for free when they could have just drafted Moore in the first place.
Michel, Drake, Duke - not even close. Moore is currently a WR2 on a run first team.menobrown said:FFPC league, not involved but this went down last night.
Team A gave: Michel, Drake, Duke
Team B gave: DJ Moore and Chris Thompson
Sony/Drake/Dukemenobrown said:FFPC league, not involved but this went down last night.
Team A gave: Michel, Drake, Duke
Team B gave: DJ Moore and Chris Thompson
Michel went 7th and Moore went 9th in this draft and that is why I said if the guy that drafted Michel at 7 wanted Moore so badly he should have just picked him. Instead of taking Moore at 7 he drafted Michel and then had to turn Drake and Duke into Chris Thompson.where were Moore and Michel drafted? In several of my rookie drafts Michel went at 1.3 and Moore went between 7 and 9. Not saying I agree, just commenting because in most of my drafts you couldn't have 'just drafted Michel over Moore'
Odd move indeedMichel went 7th and Moore went 9th in this draft and that is why I said if the guy that drafted Michel at 7 wanted Moore so badly he should have just picked him. Instead of taking Moore at 7 he drafted Michel and then had to turn Drake and Duke into Chris Thompson.
yeah I don't understand this one bit. I definitely like the Michel side better.Michel went 7th and Moore went 9th in this draft and that is why I said if the guy that drafted Michel at 7 wanted Moore so badly he should have just picked him. Instead of taking Moore at 7 he drafted Michel and then had to turn Drake and Duke into Chris Thompson.
I’ve been known to overpay to fix what I perceived to be a previous mistake of mine, for peace of mind and all that. But only if I have value to spare.Michel went 7th and Moore went 9th in this draft and that is why I said if the guy that drafted Michel at 7 wanted Moore so badly he should have just picked him. Instead of taking Moore at 7 he drafted Michel and then had to turn Drake and Duke into Chris Thompson.
Traded:
2018 1.12 rookie pick + 2018 2.12 rookie pick + 2019 1st + 2019 3rd + Will Fuller
Received:
2018 1.04 rookie pick + 2018 3.04 rookie pick + Alex Collins
I currently am on the clock and decided to go with Penny over Chubb.
I'd keep Mixon but think it's fairly reasonable, and in a year it may look vastly different.12 team PPR TE premium
Team A gives : Kirk, Ito Smith, 2019 1st
Team B gives : Mixon, 2019 3rd
I wasn't involved but the team getting Mixon is probably going to be a strong playoff contender so that 1st is likely late. They're not a powerhouse so anything is possible. The team sending the 3rd is middle of the road. Personally I would not sell Mixon for this. Maybe if I was a strong Kirk believer.
Based on likelihood of that first being late I would agree with you and would not move Mixon for this either and I'd add that I would feel the same if you substituted Moore/Ridley/Miller/Sutton or Gallup for Kirk.12 team PPR TE premium
Team A gives : Kirk, Ito Smith, 2019 1st
Team B gives : Mixon, 2019 3rd
I wasn't involved but the team getting Mixon is probably going to be a strong playoff contender so that 1st is likely late. They're not a powerhouse so anything is possible. The team sending the 3rd is middle of the road. Personally I would not sell Mixon for this. Maybe if I was a strong Kirk believer.
I think I like the Kirk/fuller side, but I’m ok with it if I have wr depth and need rbs. If that 2019 first becomes 7-8 instead of 10-12 I like it a lot. Collins is respectable but also seems replaceable. What did the guy get for 2.12? I like both sides really, but maybe like fuller more than I should and see long term value in Kirk.Bumping this trade as the draft is nearing its completion for more clarity on what was taken:
Traded:
1.12 - became Christian Kirk
2.12 - owner traded away, became Josh Rosen
2019 1st - projected to be late (10th-12th pick)
2019 3rd - projected to be late (10th-12th pick)
Will Fuller
Received
1.04 - Rashaad Penny
3.04 - Baker Mayfield
Alex Collins
For context, before this trade, my RB1 is Gurley and Crowell at RB2 so needed some depth. As for WR, I am set with Julio, Tyreek, Marqise Lee and Fitzgerald.I think I like the Kirk/fuller side, but I’m ok with it if I have wr depth and need rbs. If that 2019 first becomes 7-8 instead of 10-12 I like it a lot. Collins is respectable but also seems replaceable. What did the guy get for 2.12? I like both sides really, but maybe like fuller more than I should and see long term value in Kirk.
I like that for him- I like it for you too. You got 2 rbs that can help you compete immediately. Being able to turn those picks into juju is nice for him. I certainly can see both sides, so it’s a pretty fair win-win deal.For context, before this trade, my RB1 is Gurley and Crowell at RB2 so needed some depth. As for WR, I am set with Julio, Tyreek, Marqise Lee and Fitzgerald.
As for what the Person X got for 2.12:
Person X actually traded my 2019 1st rounder and my 2.12, along with Sterling Shepard, and received
Juju, 2018 4.01, 2018 6.01
I'll take DJ, but I guess a team with RB needs could roll the dice.FFPC, not involved
Team A gets DJ Moore, Charles Clay
Team B gets Alex Collins, Cameron Brate, 2019 3rd
Edge to side getting Collins in short term but I believe this trade will pain the ex-DJ Moore owner for many years after.FFPC, not involved
Team A gets DJ Moore, Charles Clay
Team B gets Alex Collins, Cameron Brate, 2019 3rd
Cooper, I also like Hollins and Brate is short-term depth.Team A gets Brandin Cooks
Team B gets Amari Cooper, Cameron Brate, and Mack Hollins
I'm a Cooper fan, so I will take that side. I own both, Cooks and Cooper. I think they have a similar season. Cooks is supposed to be heavily involved in the revamped passing game this year. Cooper as well though. I almost view them as a fair trade straight up, so I will take Hollins and BrateTeam A gets Brandin Cooks
Team B gets Amari Cooper, Cameron Brate, and Mack Hollins
Long term this is DJ by a lot. Short term Collins maybe.FFPC, not involved
Team A gets DJ Moore, Charles Clay
Team B gets Alex Collins, Cameron Brate, 2019 3rd
I'd have paid Cooks and a solid amount more to get Cooper so.....Team A gets Brandin Cooks
Team B gets Amari Cooper, Cameron Brate, and Mack Hollins
I'm curious where Moore was drafted, such that the owner would have preferred Collins over one of the rookie backs that *may* have been available. Moore went before Freeman and KJ in most of my rookie drafts. I'd take either of those guys over Collins. Makes me wonder if he drafted Moore and then had 2nd thoughts. But maybe Moore just slipped and he flipped him for perceived value.FFPC, not involved
Team A gets DJ Moore, Charles Clay
Team B gets Alex Collins, Cameron Brate, 2019 3rd
I’ll take Cooks. Don’t see much value in Hollins and Brate and prefer Cooks.Team A gets Brandin Cooks
Team B gets Amari Cooper, Cameron Brate, and Mack Hollins
DJ Moore went 10th in this draft and this is the 2nd time he has been traded already in this leagueI'm curious where Moore was drafted, such that the owner would have preferred Collins over one of the rookie backs that *may* have been available. Moore went before Freeman and KJ in most of my rookie drafts. I'd take either of those guys over Collins. Makes me wonder if he drafted Moore and then had 2nd thoughts. But maybe Moore just slipped and he flipped him for perceived value.