You have a lot of very strong reactions to a lot of trades I think are close or at worst solid offers.
Someone else had labeled that trade a pick'em and I agree.
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Someone else had labeled that trade a pick'em and I agree.
ffmail4me
Footballguy
Sorry if you don't agree with my values. But I think varying values is what makes FF work. I consider Seattle a RBBC by definition, and Mike Williams is just starting to break out (and is an elite talent drafted accordingly) So yeah, I'd never trade him for any Seattle RB. Just my 2 cents.
skinfanjon
Footballguy
I'm just gonna sing about this one for a sec...
FFPC
Gave: Drake, 2.12
Got: 2020 1st.
His team was 11th in total points this year and scored 13 VPs all year. Trades like this are why. He initated by offering a 2, 4, and 6 and I countered with the above.
FFPC
Gave: Drake, 2.12
Got: 2020 1st.
His team was 11th in total points this year and scored 13 VPs all year. Trades like this are why. He initated by offering a 2, 4, and 6 and I countered with the above.
No problem to me, just pointing out you got a lot of strong takes to trades I don't think are so off.
Mike Williams and Penny are very similar to me because both have flashed big time ability but thing holding both back is usage. Both have ability to be considered fantasy #1's (not overall) at their positions if they can get more consistent usage. They both were drafted high relative to their positions. You might not like SEA RB's but Lynch was pretty good and Chargers throw to RB's and TE's so much people might be surprised how weak their total WR production has been over the years.
Can see why someone likes one over the other, just surprised it would illicit such a strong take.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
After the first 3, it really is a free for all with TEs. If you like Henry cause of his per target numbers, you must love OJ Howard.
If Arians was not riding into town yes I'd love OJ Howard's breakout potential this year but as is merely really like him and no I don't think it's a free for all after TE3.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Could not have phrased it any better myself.
Team that gave EE won last year, they are loaded at RB and TE so a lot of weeks they’d sit a stud. Meanwhile their #2 WR was AROB and not much behind him. Even with that team makeup I’d not have given up Zeke in this deal.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
J3RS3YD3V1L
Footballguy
12 team $325 cap IDP league. 30 man rosters. QRWWTF plus IDP. Performance scoring.
The Trade Hounds gave up Davis, Corey TEN WR ($5)
Never Give Up gave up Agholor, Nelson PHI WR ($6) and 2019 1.03 ($5) and 2019 2.09 ($4)
Not involved.
The Trade Hounds gave up Davis, Corey TEN WR ($5)
Never Give Up gave up Agholor, Nelson PHI WR ($6) and 2019 1.03 ($5) and 2019 2.09 ($4)
Not involved.
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Tejas
Footballguy
J3RS3YD3V1L
Footballguy
An argument could be made that Adams is the #1 dynasty WR. Depending upon team makeup I'd have offered that for Adams alone.
Adams but if a few if's work out I think the other side can win the trade. Those if's mainly being Fournette and Coutee's ability to stay healthy, those are big if's, but I'd take that trio if healthy over Adams and the rest of the package depending on roster space.Zyphros said:
tex
Footballguy
Team A gave
Jones, Ronald TBB RB
Miller, Anthony CHI WR
Year 2019 Round 1 Draft Pick from Underdogs
Year 2019 Round 2 Draft Pick from High Plains Grifter
Year 2019 Round 3 Draft Pick from High Plains Grifter
Team B gave
Michel, Sony NEP RB
Baldwin, Doug SEA WR
I'm the one who gave up Michel. His knee issues and New England's use of RB's bothers me. I love Miller and think he has a real chance to be great in Chicago. Not at all high on Jones but maybe under BA, he'll come to life. The 1st is a late 1st, while the 2nd and 3rd are the 2.1 and 3.1. it is an IDP league, and I still have Ajayi, Conner, Crowell, and Doug Martin along with Jones at RB. I am really deep at WR and will try to deal a WR for a #2 RB.
Jones, Ronald TBB RB
Miller, Anthony CHI WR
Year 2019 Round 1 Draft Pick from Underdogs
Year 2019 Round 2 Draft Pick from High Plains Grifter
Year 2019 Round 3 Draft Pick from High Plains Grifter
Team B gave
Michel, Sony NEP RB
Baldwin, Doug SEA WR
I'm the one who gave up Michel. His knee issues and New England's use of RB's bothers me. I love Miller and think he has a real chance to be great in Chicago. Not at all high on Jones but maybe under BA, he'll come to life. The 1st is a late 1st, while the 2nd and 3rd are the 2.1 and 3.1. it is an IDP league, and I still have Ajayi, Conner, Crowell, and Doug Martin along with Jones at RB. I am really deep at WR and will try to deal a WR for a #2 RB.
J3RS3YD3V1L
Footballguy
Can't blame you for your concerns about Michel, but it sure seems like they are entering a more run-dominated phase of Brady's career. Having what is possibly the most valuable asset in that backfield could be a coup. Having said that, Miller and those picks is not a bad return. This draft is shallow at the top but deep. There may be very good players to be had late first and early 2nd. Jones is, as you said, just a flyer.
It’s pretty close if you like Miller, but I think his stock price is waning. He had a bad/terrible 2nd half of the season and I think some of his owners are bailing.
I don’t like Michel much, but I think his price is on the rise and will peak after a good/great Super Bowl in a few days.
All in all, I just think it’s a bad trade timing-wise for you.
I don’t like Michel much, but I think his price is on the rise and will peak after a good/great Super Bowl in a few days.
All in all, I just think it’s a bad trade timing-wise for you.
I posted two recent trades were I sold Michel and gave long reply as to why. I think we'd both agree it's an ideal time to move him, possible his value is never higher.
All in all I felt you got back proper comp but if I was you I'd have gone after attractive looking 2020 firsts, especially with your team need at RB, instead of late 2019's but I also don't play IDP leagues so possibly not factoring in that angle correctly.
kittenmittens
Footballguy
12 team PPR.
Royce Freeman for 1.12
Royce Freeman for 1.12
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
And for me. My comp for Freeman entering the league was Zac Stacy and after a year I'm good with that comp plus Lindsey's emergence which I never saw coming makes this a pretty nice exit price, probably not much more then it costs you to test drive Freeman for a year.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
you guys trading Sony Mike are nuts dudes a stud....remember when everyone was freaking about his fumbling......had 1 on 210 touches.
Never cared once about his fumbling. We got different definitions of what makes a stud.
kittenmittens
Footballguy
12 team half point PPR.
Anthony Miller for 2.02
Anthony Miller for 2.02
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Miller
He's the kind of guy you probably drafted around the 2.02 or later last year. Why would anyone trade him for a 2.02 one year later? These are the kind of owners who are always trading young players for draft picks and never give said player a chance to develop. Miller has plenty of upside.
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It's fine to do this if you after a full season you were not enthused about what you bought. See Royce Freeman trade above. I'm usually critical when people do this with TE's, who don't often do much in year one and then they move them for less.
In this case none of that applies to me. I really liked what I saw from Miller and just think shoulder held him back and if he recovers well from his surgery I think you see a new man in year 2 so give me Miller on this one.
Zyphros
Footballguy
I don't see upside when I look at Miller so he's a guy if I owned, I'd want to trade as well. That said, I think going for a non-premium pick or player isn't the way to go, and he'd be a guy I'd want to package for something better.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I thought he looked good in his first year before he got hurt. What's your problem with Miller?
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Matt's Eagles
Footballguy
12 Team PPR, 1.5 TE PPR
Team A gets Ryan, Devonta Freeman, Ingram, A Robinson, Crowder
Team B gets Brieda, McKinnion, Diggs, Ian Thomas, pick 2.5
Team A gets Ryan, Devonta Freeman, Ingram, A Robinson, Crowder
Team B gets Brieda, McKinnion, Diggs, Ian Thomas, pick 2.5
barackdhouse
Footballguy
2019 and maybe 2020 I'll take what team A got. Long term outlook I'll take what team B get.
ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
He looked decent, not great. Can definitely understand someone preferring 2.02 if they like whatever prospect they get there more than Miller.
It isn't like Miller looks like a sure bet to be a FF starter.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I can see liking someone better than Miller at 2.02 but I'd wait until I saw who that was before trading.
ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
Me too. I just don't think it's odd at all if someone prefers 2.02 over Miller. Very fair valuation on Miller based on his decent rookie year. I usually base a WR's success on yardage and not TD's rookie season. He only averaged 28 yards a game. He's still a total crapshoot.
We've had a lot of Miller and Michel talk. Michel no doubt has higher trade value so I'd take him just because of that but if I was not looking at this from a trade value angle and just which one would I want to bet on it would easily be Miller and I tend to value RB's over WR's all things being equal.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I'm not saying Miller is worth more than the 2.02 to everyone, my point was that he was probably drafted around that spot, so why trade him for the same in which you gave? That means you're another year behind in player development for your dynasty team and will draft someone else at 2.02 that probably won't do any better than Miller and will probably do worse.
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I understand your point and I've been sticking up a bit for Miller in this thread and not to be a contrarian but because while his current situation and health is not ideal, I like the talent I saw when healthy.
But I don't agree with your reasoning for someone to not trade him if they spent 2.2 on him last year. Pre-draft analysis is one thing, actually seeing a guy play in the league trumps that for me and I'm sure others. So to me it's only natural to change your outlook on a player you were projecting what they'd look like in the league after you've actually got to see that player in the league.
I just think people should look past more then just raw production when changing their outlook on players and try to not get to caught up in the here and now. Like with TE's which I mentioned earlier. I'd venture to guess that about 80% of TE's drafted in top two rounds of dynasty rookie drafts lose value heading into year two because they had disappointing production from a position that does not yield much rookie production.
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JohnnyU
Footballguy
What's wrong with his current situation? Trubisky is a good young QB and I don't see Allen Robinson as a future vulture. Robinson doesn't scare anyone. I think Miller will be their #1 WR soon.
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Trubisky is still more athlete then QB to me but for sure Robinson is the bigger issue. You might not be scared by Robinson and I'm no big fan myself but I think he's the #1WR on the team that was 23rd in the NFL on pass attempts to WR's. It's a small WR pie to be eating seconds.
I think Bears and Chiefs had a similar approach to FA last offseason. Aggressively pursue a big weapon to help their young QB but align that contract as one that comes off the books or has an easy out when it's time to extend that young QB. So saying that my money is not on Robinson being a long term Bear, but for 1-2 more years.
kittenmittens
Footballguy
Good conversation on Miller. My main issue with him is that he's really old for a rookie. He will be almost 25 when next season starts.
The shoulder injury is making him look like a decent buy low right now. It seemed to fly under the radar a bit.
The shoulder injury is making him look like a decent buy low right now. It seemed to fly under the radar a bit.
Ben & Jerry's
Footballguy
10 team ppr full IDP
James Washington
for
Ronald Jones + Josh Gordon + Justin Jackson
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JJSS
for
D.J. Moore + 1.02 + 1.03
James Washington
for
Ronald Jones + Josh Gordon + Justin Jackson
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JJSS
for
D.J. Moore + 1.02 + 1.03
Good haul for JJSS in my opinion. But I may be slightly higher than most on Moore.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Yeah but that doesn't say anything about your point of moving a guy for what you paid for him.
I would agree I wouldn't move a guy for what I paid if the consensus was that his value had increased, but Miller's really hasn't. It has at best held constant as a lot of the momentum he had in dynasty trade circles from last offseason has worn off.
I think a lot of people that were caught up in that momentum have cooled on him so getting out for what you paid is a pretty reasonable path in that scenario.
Personally I could see Miller following a kind of Sterling Shepard value path as an up and down #2 option on a medium-low volume passing offense where he keeps putting up decent numbers but just consistently bleeds more and more trade value as time goes on.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
His momentum slowed obviously after he got hurt, but for a first year player he did fine. He is a lot more dynamic of a player than Shepard. I expect him to progress even further in 2019. Getting 7 TDs for being hurt at least a 1/3 of the year was impressive.
