Cohen is one of my personal favorite players in the league and I own him on half my FFPC teams but have a strong preference for Henry over him.
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I also like both of these players a lot...Henry over Cohen tho, just to much potential in a 1.5 PPR
barackdhouse
Footballguy
I wasn't involved but it scares me the Bears coaching staff was dumb enough to only give Cohen the ball 4 times in their playoff loss. Maybe they will learn from it. But if they plan on having a lead back that catches passes, that will only marginalize Cohen more.
skinfanjon
Footballguy
I'm all in on 2020 and Pettis is on every single one of my teams. I like Lindsay but would pay this price and probably even if I project that pick to be very late. Getting Watkins is a nice cherry on top given Tyreeks issues.
skinfanjon
Footballguy
Seems very fair. They are going close to each other in startups, would depend on roster construction for me. I like both guys reasonably well, probably prefer Cohen in a vacuum. Something about Henry makes me think he'll never be top shelf, but a solid starter. Cohen is erratic due to useage but feel like he has a long career of relevance ahead of him.
Again, could go either way but I'll take Cohen by a nose if all things equal.
12 team dynasty PPR league
Team A gave up Mayfield, Baker CLE QB and McKenzie, Isaiah BUF WR and Switzer, Ryan PIT WR and Year 2019 Draft Pick 1.04 and Year 2019 Draft Pick 3.04
Team B gave up Wilson, Russell SEA QB and Freeman, Royce DEN RB and Lindsay, Phillip DEN RB
Team A gave up Mayfield, Baker CLE QB and McKenzie, Isaiah BUF WR and Switzer, Ryan PIT WR and Year 2019 Draft Pick 1.04 and Year 2019 Draft Pick 3.04
Team B gave up Wilson, Russell SEA QB and Freeman, Royce DEN RB and Lindsay, Phillip DEN RB
ChuckLiddell
Footballguy
Snorkelson
Footballguy
We’ve all been waiting for some
mckenzie/Switzer deals to come through.
I’ll take russel and the den backfield. 1.04-Lindsey seems about right, and you can argue 3.04 for Royce. So baker vs russel, and some flyers at wr.
McKenzie and Switzer were included to make room on Team A's roster for the players being added, Switzer was immediately dropped by Team B
Just had a flurry of trades go down in my dynasty league with a face to face event. 12 team, ppr, all skill positions with superflex (qb,rb,rb,wr,wr,wr,te,flex,sflex).
Trade 1 (This one surprised me)
Team A: Leonard Fournette + 2.02
Team B: 1.10 + 1.12
Trade 2
Team B: 2.02 + 2.07 + 2.12
Team C : 1.11
Trade 3
Team B: Jay Ajayi
Team D : 3.06
Trade 4
Team E: Cam Newton
Team F: Kirk Cousins + Michael Gallup
Trade 5
Team D : Jack Doyle
Team F: Jamison Crowder
Trade 6
Team C : Tarik Cohen + 2020 3rd (mid-late)
Team D : 2020 1st + 2020 2nd (mid)
Trade 1 (This one surprised me)
Team A: Leonard Fournette + 2.02
Team B: 1.10 + 1.12
Trade 2
Team B: 2.02 + 2.07 + 2.12
Team C : 1.11
Trade 3
Team B: Jay Ajayi
Team D : 3.06
Trade 4
Team E: Cam Newton
Team F: Kirk Cousins + Michael Gallup
Trade 5
Team D : Jack Doyle
Team F: Jamison Crowder
Trade 6
Team C : Tarik Cohen + 2020 3rd (mid-late)
Team D : 2020 1st + 2020 2nd (mid)
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Wow, every one of those trades seem a little lopsided with 1, 3 and 6 the most egrecious imo.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I'm glad I'm not the only one that was thinking along these lines.
kutta
Footballguy
I actually think giving up three seconds including the 2.02 for 1.11 is really dumb. I suppose he may have someone he really wants there, but man, maybe wait to see if the guy is still there and make that trade during the draft.
The Fournette trade should be in a class on it's own IMO due to his value. Other then the Cohen/2020#1 trade this is a collection of second round picks, RB and WR 3 types. Fournette for really almost pick 10 is one that can really be impactful.
What would people say Fournette's value is right now? I don't think this trade is too far off his value.
In FFPC startups he is going as player 33 and I think that's lower then it should be just taking that unless that move up from pick 14 to 12 is super impactful this trade is basically giving the 33rd or so most valued existing fantasy player in the league for the 10th most valued rookie. Not sure how anyone would not see that as far off or remotely close to his value.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I commish the league where Fournette was traded for Edelman. Great trafe for the a new owner getting Fournette. Good start for him. Frankly I don't understand why people make those kind of trades.
This. Regardless of how polarizing Fournette may be and how jaded some owners are, he’s worth plenty more than the 1.10 rookie in an uninspiring draft class. I’d easily take Fournette today over any rookie RB in this class, which to me puts his value in the 1.01 to 1.04 range.
Same and don't want to turn this into a Fournette thread because as you said he is polarizing but on this topic I posted a trade I did last week giving 1.10 and Tevin for Fournette. In that league I also have pick 3. I was kind of surprised the guy took the 10/Tevin offer because near trade deadline last year, which is week 11, I offered him what was a guaranteed top 4 pick for Fournette, the one that ended up as 3. He shot that down despite not being a contender last year and what I'm getting at is had he not taken the 10/Tevin I was going to try again to to get Fournette using pick 3 but was just going to wait until at least I could expand my roster(April 1). But I was for sure prepared to give 1.3 for him if I needed to.
I was Team C in the above trades. I was shocked when he offered all 3 2nd rounders for my (at the time)1.11. I double and triple checked that he was sure that was what he wanted.
Unfortunately this trade went down before I got to the event. Had I been there, I certainly would have put in a much better offer for him. Team A confirmed he would have accepted 1.07 and 1.11 which I had at the time. I would have gladly paid that price for Fournette and 2.02.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Dynasty League of America 2 Trade
Popular Political Opinion Haver gave up
Robinson, Allen CHI WR an
Smith, Tre'Quan NOS WR and
Year 2019 Draft Pick 1.03 and
Year 2019 Draft Pick 1.07 and
Year 2019 Draft Pick 2.06 and
Year 2019 Draft Pick 3.03 and
Year 2019 Draft Pick 3.10 and
Year 2019 Draft Pick 4.03 and
Year 2020 Round 2 Draft Pick from Popular Political Opinion Haver and
Year 2020 Round 3 Draft Pick from Popular Political Opinion Haver
and The Most Classy and Luxurious Team gave up
Fournette, Leonard JAC RB and
Peterson, Adrian WAS RB and
Green, A.J. CIN WR and
Kelce, Travis KCC TE and
Year 2020 Round 4 Draft Pick from The Most Classy and Luxurious Team
Dynasty League of America 2 Address:
http://www65.myfantasyleague.com/2019/home/13397
Popular Political Opinion Haver gave up
Robinson, Allen CHI WR an
Smith, Tre'Quan NOS WR and
Year 2019 Draft Pick 1.03 and
Year 2019 Draft Pick 1.07 and
Year 2019 Draft Pick 2.06 and
Year 2019 Draft Pick 3.03 and
Year 2019 Draft Pick 3.10 and
Year 2019 Draft Pick 4.03 and
Year 2020 Round 2 Draft Pick from Popular Political Opinion Haver and
Year 2020 Round 3 Draft Pick from Popular Political Opinion Haver
and The Most Classy and Luxurious Team gave up
Fournette, Leonard JAC RB and
Peterson, Adrian WAS RB and
Green, A.J. CIN WR and
Kelce, Travis KCC TE and
Year 2020 Round 4 Draft Pick from The Most Classy and Luxurious Team
Dynasty League of America 2 Address:
http://www65.myfantasyleague.com/2019/home/13397
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Startup ADP is not a perfect estimate of player value but in startup drafts Fournette is going 50+ picks ahead of the 10th rookie. That's a huge disparity.
beef
Footballguy
The best part of this trade is the team names. Since the team trading away 1.03 has those early round picks, I'm assuming they're a tad weak and I would have kept the picks to rebuild with and not go after aging Vets (except Leo).
slicedbred21
Footballguy
ffmail4me
Footballguy
1.2 and 2.7. Too long a wait to cash in on the return especially when the picks could be very close anyway.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Not sure 2020 early is a guarantee, but I like this trade for you if that happens. The early 1st in 2020 with all those good RBs available (Swift, Taylor, Etienne, Harris, Dobbins, Carr, Dillon, Akers, just to name a few) will be worth more than the 1.02 in 2019.
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Just curious how much you think Ajayi is worth. I thought it seemed pretty fair.
Similarly, I thought this one seemed pretty fair, too. Are people still hyping Crowder for a 100 rec season? I'm not saying Doyle is exceptional, but neither is Crowder. Bench fodder traded for bench fodder.
ChuckLiddell
Footballguy
"Thielen and Lindsayslicedbred21 said:
For
2020 1st, Watkins, Pettis and J. Richard"
I view Theilen and Lindsay as premium players, on top of being young with lots of dynasty life left in them. I think Watkins is very overrated, Pettis has potential but is totally unproven - if we are lucky he turns out to be almost as valuable as Thielen one day, and Richard is waiver wire fodder. To me, the Thielen/Lindsay side is way more valuable. Not really close. But if you think Pettis is a lock WR1 and if you view Watkins differently than I do I can see why you would think its fair.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I'm not super high on Ajayi or anything but he's accomplished more than most 3.06 picks ever will. I'd put his value somewhere in mid-second. He's only 25 so once his ACL is healthy he'll catch on somewhere and I like his chances to return Flex value much better than a throw away pick.
I think Crowder has been productive when healthy and still has ppr upside, but it's more that I think Doyle is fairly worthless. I did not list that one as overly lopsided though but would easily take Crowder.
FWIW, I've gone none of these players, but from the outside looking in, I'd be very
if I saw Ajayi get traded for a 2nd. He'll be 26 by the time the season starts and will, at best, be playing second string as a 1st/2nd down RB. If he signs a 1-year deal, he'll be hoping for a short shot at starting to prove his worth going into the 2020 season at which point he'll be a 27 year old free agent with an injury history and spotty production. I agree that 3.06 is nothing more than a low probability dart throw, but if you trade it on the clock, maybe you can get a 2020 2nd or a vet with a better chance at 2019 viability.Doyle is ol' reliable for Luck. He was playing a lot more snaps than Ebron last year when both were healthy. I wouldn't be excited to acquire him, but I also wouldn't be less excited to acquire him than Crowder. Both are guys I would not want to see in my starting lineup.
Quite right, there is no guarantee. Looking at his roster, I tried to best judge where I thought it would land. I think 2-5 has the highest chances. Given the prospects for the 2020 class (as you pointed out and is discussed in other threads), I was comfortable taking that chance.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I don't own any of the players either and the only league I have a second is a total rebuild so would not trade for Ajayi there but in my other 4 leagues where I'm a contender I would likely give a mid second for Ajayi in this draft. I could see him land back in Philly where I think he'd be the lead back and there's a few other places still open (Oakland, Houston, TB) where he would be the favorite to start as well. I also don't think he's strictly a first/second down back. He can catch.FWIW, I've gone none of these players, but from the outside looking in, I'd be very
Now I can also see why he has fallen out of favor a bit and it's not some "must be collusion" type deal to see him moved for the 3.06 - I just think there's a far better chance he returns value than the player picked there.
Boy, I don't see the optimism for Ajayi that some are expressing. Let's recap:
Yeah, if I owned Ajayi anywhere (and I don't) and the best I could get is a mid-3rd rookie pick, I'm snap accepting and not looking back. You don't often find dynasty league success with roster cloggers like Ajayi on your bench.
- Draft: Knee concerns drop him to the 5th round
- 2015: Lost rookie season, does nothing
- 2016: Three absolutely MONSTER games (all 200+ yards
) buoy his value but still only averages 14.5ppg for ppr in 15 games and finishes RB16 on a ppg basis
- 2017: Plays in 14 games, gets 230 touches, averages 9.9ppg for ppr ( :X ) and doesn't eclipse 15 points in any game
- 2018: Plays less than a month, lost season
Yeah, if I owned Ajayi anywhere (and I don't) and the best I could get is a mid-3rd rookie pick, I'm snap accepting and not looking back. You don't often find dynasty league success with roster cloggers like Ajayi on your bench.
I think people don't realize that Doyle was going to be Ebron last year before he got hurt, and Ebron exploded in his absence. He was seeing 90%+ of the snaps before he was injured. If he stays healthy, he has as much upside relative to the TEs as Crowder to the WRs on the Jets.
Fair enough. I feel like teams will fill their needs through the draft, so he'll be looking at signing a backup contract in May. You mentioned TB and that brought a random question to mind, who would you rather have? Rojo or Ajayi?
Also, I didn't mean to imply that he can't catch. Lots of guys can catch, but they still get relegated to a certain role, especially as a backup. I suspect whatever team he signs with will already have their starter and their 3rd down back, so he'll maybe get a few early downs as a backup.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
That's pretty tough for me as I wasn't a fan of Jones as a prospect (thought he was too slow for a back his size), and we have been through Ajayi's "warts". If I had a total rebuild I'd roll the dice and hope I was wrong about Jones, but in a vacuum I'll take Ajayi. I just believe in his talent more.
Maybe my memory is bad here but I thought Ajayi was a very good receiving back at Boise State and most were very surprised he wasn't used in the passing in Miami - I do not know why he wasn't used in that role so far but he looks capable.
To address the post above I don't see Ajayi as a "roster clogger" - but my dynasty leagues have rosters of 25, 28, 30, 30 and 30. For the record, I don't own him and have generally had no interest in acquiring him but a 3.06 pick seems like bargain basement prices and I'd buy for that because at worst I think he'd maintain that value even if he ends up in a backup role all through 2019. What's the hit rate on third down rookie picks anyway? Most years I bet it's 20% at best.
Yeah, I wasn't high on Rojo myself, but if I could get both guys cheaply, I'd rather have Rojo in an Arians offense than Ajayi in an unknown situation. Enough people were high on Rojo that I think there's still a chance for him to turn his career around and live up to his 2nd round status. And Peyton Barber doesn't seem like much of a road block.
Ajayi did have 50 receptions in his last year at Boise, but I don't personally know how many drops he had or what kind of routes he was running. Catching dump offs and turning up-field for 10 yards in the Mountain West Conference would not impress me if that's what was going on. Would need more info to really pass judgment.
ComfortablyNumb
Footballguy
In FFPC, I traded 1.08 and 2.11 for the 2020 1st and 2nd round picks of a likely playoff team. I still have 1.05, 2.08, and 2.10. Banking on 2020 being a much better RB and WR draft...
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skinfanjon
Footballguy
FFPC
Gave: Kelce
Got: Godwin, 2020 1st (team is quite bad, should be top 4)
I have Kittle too so decided to shop Kelce. Think Godwin is a big riser this year and am all in on next year's class.
Gave: Kelce
Got: Godwin, 2020 1st (team is quite bad, should be top 4)
I have Kittle too so decided to shop Kelce. Think Godwin is a big riser this year and am all in on next year's class.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
I guess if the pick does indeed end up early and next year's class lives up to the massive hype we're all giving it then this could work out okay, but man Kelce is a 1st round startup pick in FFPC.
I wonder how many people would trade OBJ or JuJu for Godwin/1st, because those are the two guys Kelce is sandwiched between in startup ADP in FFPC.
Of course you have Kittle and you can only trade for what your league will pay, but you can play a TE in your flex and Kelce was literally the #1 overall WR last year in FFPC if you played him there. Only Barkley, CMC, Kamara, and Gurley outscored him last year. Playing Kelce in the flex was like playing Zeke or Hopkins in your flex spot.
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ComfortablyNumb
Footballguy
This could really go either way. Kelce is obviously a stud in TE premium FFPC, but IF Godwin realizes top 15 WR potential AND your 2020 is a stud, good trade. But that's two big "ifs".
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I think people investing a 1st in a dynasty startup into a soon to be 30 year old TE are going to be regretting that much sooner than they realize. It’s just not a position, even with TE premium, that I’d be remotely comfortable anchoring my dynasty team to when factoring his age combined with how much punishment he takes each game. If I had Kittle I’d make that deal, but likely only if I was certain that’s a top 4 pick. If it ends up being 8-12, the value is pretty poor. Because as you point out, Kelce is as highly regarded as OBJ by some.
skinfanjon
Footballguy
Figured this would generate some buzz. For the record, I'd say this is 90% a top 4 2020 pick.
joey
Footballguy
skinfanjon
Footballguy
My squad is now:
Wentz, Allen
Barkley, ____ (Duke Johnson, Gio, Breida)
JuJu, Woods, Godwin, Pettis, Crowder
Kittle
I probably lose around 75-100 points this year in my starting lineup. That's 4-6 ppg. But I think I still have a playoff squad and legit contender, so what really matters will be week 14-16. Will Kelce outscore Godwin those particular weeks?? I mean probably, but when the sample gets smaller the variance goes higher. Who knows.
Im always looking for ways to extend my window in dynasty and when I add DeAndre Swift, Ettiene, Jeudy, or Shenault to this squad next year, that makes for a pretty long runway IMO.
My opinion of Kelce is he's the #2 dynasty TE behind Kittle and I would not take him in any format until the 3rd round of a startup due to his age. More likely I'd trade down. He's basically Antonio Brown last year. A total stud with 2-3 elite seasons left, maybe a couple more decent years behind it. But look at ABs value this year...you're not getting what you feel is even in most leagues and your gonna have to go down with the ship. Which is fine, but not what I want to do in most cases.
Godwin just turned 23 and I'm feeling another stud coming next year. Im betting this trade ages EXTREMELY well, though it may not look obvious today.
Anyway, that's my rationale, appreciate all feedback.
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Couple recently in a 14 team Superflex PPR (1.5 for TEs) and .25 per carry
Team A gave: 1.10
Team B gave: Derek Carr
Team A gave(same as above team A): Todd Gurley, Albert Wilson and 2020 first(mid)
Team C gave: Aaron Jones, Chris Godwin, 1.6 and 1.12
Team D (Myself, recently decided to start a rebuild) gave: Leonard Fournette, Stafford and Corey Davis
Team E gave: Odell, 2020 first( mid-late), 2.1 and Mason Rudolph
Team A gave: 1.10
Team B gave: Derek Carr
Team A gave(same as above team A): Todd Gurley, Albert Wilson and 2020 first(mid)
Team C gave: Aaron Jones, Chris Godwin, 1.6 and 1.12
Team D (Myself, recently decided to start a rebuild) gave: Leonard Fournette, Stafford and Corey Davis
Team E gave: Odell, 2020 first( mid-late), 2.1 and Mason Rudolph
