Obvious steal for the team that dealt away the 1.2. Lindsey close to 1.2 value on his own, 2020 mid first equitable with 1.2 on it's own. So it's about a free Lindsey or free 2020 1st, one of those with a free 2020 second on top.
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kutta
Footballguy
Agreed. Weird thing is the guy giving away Lindsey is a good owners with a decent team. No idea what he was thinking here.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
This trade was for the (2019) 1.07. I get that there are some reasons to move him (although TDs seem to come with that offense) but I don't see selling him for a loss in a weaker draft class.
I've shopped around 1.7 for a 2020#1 and was even willing to take one that could be playoff teams and found no takers so safe to say I like this deal for you.
Steals for Sony and Kerryon. Echo all the other comments, those guys would be the 1.1 coming out this year. Unless you were desperate for a WR in a PPR league, I'd say both of those guys, despite their questions, are worth more than the 1.1 right now.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I'll be interested to see, post draft, if there are any deals where Michel or Johnson fetch the 1.1.
Never count out rookie fever, just look at someone unloading him right now for the 1.07.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I was making the point from the other side...I can't see holders of the 1.1 trading for Michel/Johnson. I say that as someone who has the 1.1 in two different leagues. And has/had both players on rosters.
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I can still see 1.01 owners trading it for Michael/Johnson post draft, but it’ll be a lot more clear whether or not they should at that point.
I do find it a bit laughable that some consider these guys “the obvious 1.01 if they were in this draft” yet neither Michel nor Johnson lit the world on fire their rookie year, both have significant question marks (Johnson usage/durability and Michael receiving/knee concerns), there will certainly be rookies in this class that have equal/better draft capital invested in them, and may likely be in more ideal spots. The primary thing these two have going for them in this debate is IMO the positional scarcity in fantasy football for RBs combined with 2019 being perceived a weak class for the position.
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kutta
Footballguy
No go for me. I'd keep Barkley.
But then again, pretty much any Barkley trade is a no go for me...
ffmail4me
Footballguy
ffmail4me
Footballguy
I don't think Team B is crazy but I just don't see how you can move Barkley outside of an outrageous overpay. I mean like adding 1.1 and something else to that offer. I only own him in 2 or 3 leagues and it would take that to move him.
Of course not right now, they're holding the 1.01 hoping KC spends a 1st round pick on Josh Jacobs or Indy spends their first on a WR or some other plumb landing spot meets early draft pick. They're also waiting for rookie fever to hit its peak in about a month when people start waxing poetic about how existing starter RB's will lose their jobs to 5th rounder's and every rookie WR is a lock for success.
Edit: Not that I'm not guilty of chasing the promise of rookie success every year either.
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ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
easy barkley.
a 2k+ total yards/80+ reception/10+ TD a season RB for the next 5+ years is close to priceless.
That's what makes this hobby fun is difference of opinion. In my case, I'd argue both those guys looked great in small doses and did enough to make their future look bright despite the questions you mention. You combine that with a dog #### class of rookies and it's pretty easy to see why some of us would easily take them over anybody in this class if they were coming out this year.
kutta
Footballguy
Agreed. If the bolded didn't exist, these leagues would be a bore.
I would agree that Michel and Johnson passed the eye test in small doses, to a certain degree. But if I'm being honest, I think the red flags for both are glaring red flags. More so for Michel as despite NE grabbing him in the late 1st, I was a bit dubious due to his age (a 23+ year old rookie now 24) and reported knee concerns. So I had some pause entering last season, whereas Michel believers may not have. But following 2018, if you weren't extremely alarmed by the fact that he had 7 catches in 13 regular season games and averaged less than 11ppg in ppr scoring, then you have more confidence than I. I don't expect NE to pound him 25+ times per game like they did during the playoffs, and if they do, my confidence level that he can remain healthy is not high. And I don't see them relegating James White to a nominal role considering how important he is to their offense.
I thought Johnson looked better than Michel, is actually involved and effective in the passing game, and is extremely young (still just 21). But, I'd be remiss if I overlooked the fact that he's on the Lions. And they just can't seem to figure it out, regardless the coach, scheme, or personnel. Patricia coming from the Patriots tree combined with talk of limiting Johnson's usage gives me some pause. At least enough to not proclaim him a no brainer 1.01 in this class.
Which leads to the biggest disconnect, I don't think this is a "dog ####" class of rookies. In fact, I think Brown/Harry/Metcalf all have top 10 dynasty WR upside. There are a couple RB's that I think, especially in ppr, can easily supplant the likes of Michel/Johnson in dynasty rankings should they land in reasonable situations post-draft. The NFL draft will really sort this stuff out, and I think there's a better than not chance that it sends the value of 1.01 spiking from where it's at right now, namely due to the lack of clear cut 1.01 prospect and unknown landing spots. Might also depend upon team needs. If I needed a RB, I'd probably rank them Johnson, 1.01, Michel. If I needed a WR I'd rank them 1.01, Johnson, Michel. And I was looking for best value as of right now I'd go 1.01, Johnson, Michel, because 1.01 gives you all sorts of options post draft. That's my .02.
12 Team 2 QB start IDP Dynasty League - NO PPR - standard Scoring
Team A receives -Deshaun Watson
Team B receives- 1.4 , 1.12 & 2.4
Team A only has D Carr, Tannehill, and Bradford at QB
but at other positions-
At RB- Kerryon Johnson, K Hunt, J Ajayi, N Hines, S Ware and C Edmonds
At WR- K Allen, D Adams, M Thomas, C Davis
At TE- E Engram, J Cook
Team A receives -Deshaun Watson
Team B receives- 1.4 , 1.12 & 2.4
Team A only has D Carr, Tannehill, and Bradford at QB
but at other positions-
At RB- Kerryon Johnson, K Hunt, J Ajayi, N Hines, S Ware and C Edmonds
At WR- K Allen, D Adams, M Thomas, C Davis
At TE- E Engram, J Cook
I’d ask, “what in the world is B doing?” Horrible value for Watson in a superflex, non ppr just compounds the bad value.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I agree it's not good value if you can start 2qbs, but in a standard start 1 QB league it's fair value.
I agree.
And as one of the owners in this league- I know how hard it is to acquire a top tier QB, let alone one that you can feel confident in starting week in and week out.
When the owner with the picks asked me about this deal, I thought he should of instaclicked the accept button
But he hemmed and hawed about it for two days before accepting.
I told him, you’re trading three wildcard picks in 4, 12 and 16(and owner still has to hit on the players)for the 7th highest scoring QB in our league last year. While there’s a chance he may not repeat, the upside of its worth the risk-
only 23 and Bill O’Brien isn't going anywhere-
No elite RB on roster and healthy Fuller, Coutee and arguably the best WO in football.
And as one of the owners in this league- I know how hard it is to acquire a top tier QB, let alone one that you can feel confident in starting week in and week out.
When the owner with the picks asked me about this deal, I thought he should of instaclicked the accept button
But he hemmed and hawed about it for two days before accepting.
I told him, you’re trading three wildcard picks in 4, 12 and 16(and owner still has to hit on the players)for the 7th highest scoring QB in our league last year. While there’s a chance he may not repeat, the upside of its worth the risk-
only 23 and Bill O’Brien isn't going anywhere-
No elite RB on roster and healthy Fuller, Coutee and arguably the best WO in football.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
16 team ppr. Engram and the 1.12 for Dj Moore.
Barber is pretty much worthless, so it’s surprising to see that Kirk’s value appreciates from where it was in rookie drafts last year.
jeaton6
Footballguy
ghostguy123
Footballguy
My apologies if this had already been posted. New guy came into the league and dropped this deal in the first day.
FFPC
DeAndre Hopkins
For
Sam darnold, Chris Carson, TY Hilton, Jared Cook
FFPC
DeAndre Hopkins
For
Sam darnold, Chris Carson, TY Hilton, Jared Cook
kutta
Footballguy
It didn’t appreciate that much at all. Kirk was picked at the top of round 2 last year, and he showed he can play last year.
I’ll take Kirk in the new offense there over 1.08 this year pretty easily.
I'd for sure take Hopkins side but without knowing rest of his roster I think that collection of players will help you win more over next year and maybe two then Hopkins. In that respect I can at least some rationale and don't think it's as crazy as most, but would take Hopkins side.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Disagree. That is nowhere near the value of arguably the top FF WR IMO. If it were gathering young upside players I would potentially understand (Darnold withstanding)...but don’t understand trading a stud for veteran maybes (I like Hilton but think he has already had his best year).
I guess you missed the part, twice actually, where I said I'd take the Hopkins side. I simply said I think the team that the other side is better in the short term, better in next 1-2 years IMO. Also don't think still 29 year old Hilton has seen his best days but not sure I can say that without you accusing me of saying the side getting Hopkins lost.
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King of the Jungle
Footballguy
My apologies, I must have speed read through that. Not trying to accuse anyone of anything. I just know that offer would be laughed at in my league and I think Hopkins should garner either more youthful upside or a stud in return. We can disagree in Hilton. I think Indy is becoming more well rounded and other targets are going to step up taking away the need for Luck to force it to Hilton as much.
Zyphros
Footballguy
I don't play bestball but I'd imagine Penny has a little more value there than a standard or PPR league. Still think the 1.08 is on the wrong side though. Kamara easily for me.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
It is and something I've noticed this year early is the redraft ADP for a lot of players is not that far off their startup ADP. Like I"ve noticed it's kind of odd that 30-31 year old AB/Julio are going within a few spots of their redraft ADP as startup ADP last I checked.
Anyway on this trade as a point of reference I'm in late rounds of a FFPC Best Ball redraft and took Penny/Rodgers at 6/7, Kamara almost always got 3-4. That's probably about on par with where they are getting drafted in startups. So yes the pick was on the wrong side.
No problem and I actually would not have flinched if I saw someone make that trade in a league of mine. Mainly because I view Hilton as essentially within 4 fantasy points a game of Hopkins, someone I'd phrase as giving you 85% of Hopkins production plus you get a RB who was #15 in PPG and TE I feel like is a top 10 lock with a chance a legit shot at that TE 4-5 range. Cook's only got 1-2 years in him, I still think Hilton can play at a high level but his age is already working against his value and Carson could or could not be a multi year fixture. In 2-3 years you should be able to still trade Hopkins for a something like a young player and #1 or maybe two #1's, I've seen Julio still draw that kind of price return this year. So again I think it's a good deal for Hilton, I'd take that side because I think he's the only asset I trust to have much value after the 2020 season but I think the team that traded Hopkins away did get better in the short term and I know a lot of dynasty players who like to look at everything through a 3 year window and if that's the rationale I think the trade makes sense.
Again, I"d take Hopkins, don't see this as such a lopsided trade as most because I see rationale that makes sense and because while I do think Hopkins should be favorite in talk of #1 dynasty WR I still don't put quite as high a value on him as most.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Big one. 16 team 1/2 ppr. Zeke, 1.10, 1.16 for Saquon and the 2.12. Love Saquon but seemed a lot for a small upgrade.
I don't play half PPR and may not be looking at this correctly in that regard but I do know in a standard full PPR I would for sure give up that for Barkley.
