****OFFICIAL DYNASTY TRADES**** (28 Viewers)

[rockaction]

this is the key, and why I absolutely would veto it.

Hell, just the ‘23 1st for Mills is a dramatic overpay in 1-QB leagues. 

Maybe worth a 2022 2nd or like 1.12? Maybe? Hard to even justify that. 

Yeah, it's a tough one. I'm choosing to be absolutist about it and not veto deals. That's my stance as of this writing about all deals. No veto. 

Her valuation is way off. Like light years. For context, the other owner said that was the offer she sent and he merely accepted. No negotiation. So fair on his part. That's a smash accept. I will say that if a friend sent me that offer, I'd make sure he was serious or not intoxicated in some way or another, but that's how I play, and it would have to be a friend.  

For more context: She has no quarterbacks going into the year. That is true. She had Bridgewater, Brissett, Dalton, A.J. McCarron, Tyrod Taylor, Geno Smith, and Deshaun Watson. 

Still wildly bad. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

For more context: She has no quarterbacks going into the year. That is true. She had Bridgewater, Brissett, Dalton, A.J. McCarron, Tyrod Taylor, Geno Smith, and Deshaun Watson. 

Still wildly bad. 

and even in that context, I would just say the package offered should be more than enough to bring back a top 5 quarterback for 2022 & beyond. 

 

[Dr. Octopus]

On thing to also keep in mind is that Zealots QBs are different than other league's valuations. We roster 51 during the season, and everybody hoards starting quarterbacks. They're tough to pry away. So, given that, I could maybe see a late 2022 1st (but she doesn't have one of those because she already dealt it for...Bridgewater) or I could see a 2022 2nd and 3rd, but I can't see the package she gave away. 

2023 1st
2022 2nd
2022 3rd 

Just an awful deal. 

Some of the deals she has made: 

Todd Gurley (of Atlanta fame then) for her future first
Sony Michel for her future first
Damien Williams for her 1.03
The 1.06 for her Dak Prescott and Aaron Jones, another awful deal

It's a case of bad management going on. 

Yes - in that case I’m not sure you can veto. She’s just had. This one on its face would scream collusion though. I trust you on how the league values QBs but this one is just a waste of resources.

 

[Boston]

Just had this one come across (PPR/1QB), and it is generating some discussion in the league...

Year 2022 Round 2 Draft Pick
Year 2022 Round 3 Draft Pick
Year 2023 Round 1 Draft Pick

for

Davis Mills

I am surprised it is generating discussion because everyone should be speechless.

I would love to see a fantasy 30 for 30 on this deal...how does it even come to fruition.

 

[rockaction]

This is sort of like when we first started playing FF back in 2011 at Reason magazine from their comment section. We decided to start a fantasy football league for more camaraderie. So we did a redraft league. A bunch of us were n00bs at the thing, and one of the n00bs drafted Arian Foster at 1.01. So far, so good for him, right? Well, Foster starts the year with a hamstring injury and the guy flat drops him in Week Three. Just drops him into the pile in a first-come, first-serve league. I, being on the internet at the time, pick him right up and laugh even though I'm new, too. So I have Matt Forte, Marshawn Lynch, and Arian Foster circa 2011. People were furious. No overrule, though, from the commissioner. Fun league, nothing at stake, rules are rules. I rode that all the way to the title game and lost because Graham ####### Gano scored thirty points as a kicker and my Nick Novak scored one. I lost by four points. 

But yeah, it's about like dropping Foster due to a hammy. 

 

[rockaction]

I would love to see a fantasy 30 for 30 on this deal...how does it even come to fruition.

One person offers, the other smash accepts. That's how it happened. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

So I have Matt Forte,

second Matt Forte reference in 1 day. What’re the odds?

Gano scored thirty points as a kicker

to be fair, this would only be weird if he scored 30 points as anything but a kicker.  

 

[rockaction]

to be fair, this would only be weird if he scored 30 points as anything but a kicker.  

Huh. Yeah, that sentence was a bit wonky in retrospect. Graham Gano put up thirty points from the kicker slot, I should say. The average that year and others was around like ten, but the standard deviations he must have been from that to put up 30 was ridonkulous. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Huh. Yeah, that sentence was a bit wonky in retrospect. Graham Gano put up thirty points from the kicker slot, I should say. The average that year and others was around like ten, but the standard deviations he must have been from that to put up 30 was ridonkulous. 

I’ve been beaten by many a flukey kicker. It’s the worst. 

 

[jm192]

Hoping to move Ridley.  Tried to get 1.02 straight up which I knew was too aggressive.  
 

Gonna try the following: 

Ridley/1.12 for 1.02 and 2.02.  
 

If no go on that considering

Ridley for Sutton/2.02.  
 

Thoughts on valuation?  Asking too much?  Too little?

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Hoping to move Ridley.  Tried to get 1.02 straight up which I knew was too aggressive.  
 

Gonna try the following: 

Ridley/1.12 for 1.02 and 2.02.  
 

If no go on that considering

Ridley for Sutton/2.02.  
 

Thoughts on valuation?  Asking too much?  Too little?

I agree that 1.02 is too aggressive until we know his status. I think either of those offers is reasonable, but I’d probably wait to see an update where we know definitively he’s playing. Then you can maximize value. 

 

[JoeJoe88]

So, I just wanted to highlight all of the trades I made at around the midpoint of this last fantasy season in my dynasty league. I had a middle of the road team, probably no better than the 4th or 5th best team. I had just gone 0-2 for the week and dropped to 7th place. I had a decision to make. And while it wasn’t an easy one initially, I am so glad I went with my gut and initiated the firesale. Anyone that is in a similar boat as I was maybe you can use this as inspiration to attempt to overhaul that middling team like I did. This is a 10 man league, start 2QB and TE Premium. I think I may have posted one or two of these when I did them, but most of these I have not. 

10/26- Gave: Russell Wilson and Elijah Mitchell
Received: Two 2022 2nds(2.03 and 2.05), 2023 1st, 2024 1st

10/27- Gave: Derrick Henry
Received: 2022 2nd(2.06), Two 2022 4ths, 2023 1st, 2023 2nd, 2024 1st

10/27- Gave: Ryan Tannehill and Aaron Jones
Received: 2022 1st(1.08), 2023 1st, 2024 1st

10/28- Gave: Kyler Murray
Received: Trey Lance, 2022 1.01, 2023 1st(my pick, will likely be 1.01)

12/5- Gave: George Kittle 
Received: 2023 1st, 2024 1st, 2025 3rd

1/13- Gave: 2022 1.01
Received: Kyle Pitts 

So I now have five firsts apiece in 2023 and 2024, and Trey Lance and Pitts as young, foundation pieces. This coming season will be rough, but man things are going to start getting fun in 2023.

2022 Picks- 1.08, 2.03, 2.05, 2.06, 3.04, 4.03, 4.05, 4.06, 5.03

2023 Picks- 5 1sts, 1 2nd, 1 3rd, 1 4th, 1 5th

2024 Picks- Exact same as 2023

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

So, I just wanted to highlight all of the trades I made at around the midpoint of this last fantasy season in my dynasty league. I had a middle of the road team, probably no better than the 4th or 5th best team. I had just gone 0-2 for the week and dropped to 7th place. I had a decision to make. And while it wasn’t an easy one initially, I am so glad I went with my gut and initiated the firesale. Anyone that is in a similar boat as I was maybe you can use this as inspiration to attempt to overhaul that middling team like I did. This is a 10 man league, start 2QB and TE Premium. I think I may have posted one or two of these when I did them, but most of these I have not. 

10/26- Gave: Russell Wilson and Elijah Mitchell
Received: Two 2022 2nds(2.03 and 2.05), 2023 1st, 2024 1st

10/27- Gave: Derrick Henry
Received: 2022 2nd(2.06), Two 2022 4ths, 2023 1st, 2023 2nd, 2024 1st

10/27- Gave: Ryan Tannehill and Aaron Jones
Received: 2022 1st(1.08), 2023 1st, 2024 1st

10/28- Gave: Kyler Murray
Received: Trey Lance, 2022 1.01, 2023 1st(my pick, will likely be 1.01)

12/5- Gave: George Kittle 
Received: 2023 1st, 2024 1st, 2025 3rd

1/13- Gave: 2022 1.01
Received: Kyle Pitts 

So I now have five firsts apiece in 2023 and 2024, and Trey Lance and Pitts as young, foundation pieces. This coming season will be rough, but man things are going to start getting fun in 2023.

2022 Picks- 1.08, 2.03, 2.05, 2.06, 3.04, 4.03, 4.05, 4.06, 5.03

2023 Picks- 5 1sts, 1 2nd, 1 3rd, 1 4th, 1 5th

2024 Picks- Exact same as 2023

Wow - you blew up your team even more aggressively than me. Nicely done. 
 

Also, you stole Pitts compared to trades I’ve seen this year. Good job. 

 

[JoeJoe88]

Wow - you blew up your team even more aggressively than me. Nicely done. 
 

Also, you stole Pitts compared to trades I’ve seen this year. Good job. 

Dude, I couldn’t believe he accepted my first offer. Was fully expecting and willing to offer more, especially in TE Premium. I think it helped me that he had Hock and that he has almost zero picks in this draft(I got most of them in the Henry trade a few months earlier lol). 

 

[ghostguy123]

FFPC standard

Pick 1.03 and a 2023 2nd

For

Derrick Henry

 

[PantherThunder]

Just had this one come across (PPR/1QB), and it is generating some discussion in the league...

Year 2022 Round 2 Draft Pick
Year 2022 Round 3 Draft Pick
Year 2023 Round 1 Draft Pick

for

Davis Mills

1qb? not sure what could motivate that. Hate trades that buries one team and props one way up. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

FFPC standard

Pick 1.03 and a 2023 2nd

For

Derrick Henry

hmm….Henry is 28. Lot of miles on those treads. I’m not sure what he’s worth, but I’d like this deal more if the years were flipped on the picks. 

 

[jm192]

FFPC standard

Pick 1.03 and a 2023 2nd

For

Derrick Henry

I don't think it's a bad trade.  You might could have gotten 2 1sts out of someone.  But at age 28 with the usage he's had the last few years, coming off injury--maybe not.  

I think getting out this off-season is wise.  I think he'll be A LOT harder to sell in 2023.  

 

[Boston]

FFPC standard

Pick 1.03 and a 2023 2nd

For

Derrick Henry

If I was a legit contender I would do this pretty quickly...Henry is at an age where things get dicey fast but he still looks great and can totally change a starting line-up and win you a title...1.3 is a nice get but right now in this year's draft it doesn't feel as valuable as most years and the 2nd doesn't do nearly enough for me as the second piece of the deal...I don't have issues moving on from Henry at his age but I think there is a better and/or more creative way to deal Henry and get more back.

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

It’s not that it’s an unfair trade, just a trade I wouldn’t do. 

IMO McClaurin should fetch a slightly better/more reliable RB, or one with more upside. 

Seems like CEH would be less valuable in .5 PPR than full PPR since he’s kind of a weekly dart throw for a TD. His receptions (when Reid feels like throwing to him) are partly what bolsters his value. 

I feel like we’ll collectively still be having this discussion until CEH washes out or becomes a top 5 RB. I’m just not sure the latter is realistic. 

I do agree that perception is reality when it comes to trading, and yeah - TMc had a down year. But the talent & opportunity are both there for him, and WAS seems likely to bring in a QB upgrade. If Samuel comes back to play, that will open things up for him.

But yeah - it’s a pretty fair deal. “Stacked” at WR is also a matter of perception, so I’d be interested in seeing that depth.

It is the kind of deal that can help a WR-rich team that lacks depth at RB win, so in that light, hey, good trade.  IMO the true value all hinges on whether CEH can elevate his game. 

Stacked is absolutely a matter of perception, but here's what I've got in a start 1RB, 1WR, 2FLEX league:

Nuk, Tyreek, Keenan Allen, Dionte

My RB room is, well, #### aside from Javonte.

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

sorry, double post.

 

[menobrown]

FFPC standard

Pick 1.03 and a 2023 2nd

For

Derrick Henry

Henry's an outlier in many ways  and might end up being an exception but he'd have to be that exception for someone else as I could not spend that much on a 28 year old highly rode RB whose impact in passing game is minimal.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Stacked is absolutely a matter of perception, but here's what I've got in a start 1RB, 1WR, 2FLEX league:

Nuk, Tyreek, Keenan Allen, Dionte

My RB room is, well, #### aside from Javonte.

So Hopkins will be 30 in June, Hill’s going to be 28 in March. Keenan Allen will be 30 In April.

McClaurin was your 2nd youngest receiver. 

Maybe I get too focused on age, because undoubtedly that’s a nice group of wideouts, but I would be concerned about aging out.

Format is relevant too though & it looks like you can start at most 4 total WR/RB (must have 1 RB, 1 WR)

Am I reading that correctly? 

If so, all the more reason I would have preferred you deal McClaurin for 1 RB. Or even better, deal Hopkins or Allen for one since they’re 3-4 years older.

Not an unfair deal, but I don’t know that it helps your team that much given your format. As it is, you’re likely starting JWill, Nuk, Hill & Allen every week. Unless CEH breaks out in a big way He’s probably behind JWill. 

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

So Hopkins will be 30 in June, Hill’s going to be 28 in March. Keenan Allen will be 30 In April.

McClaurin was your 2nd youngest receiver. 

Maybe I get too focused on age, because undoubtedly that’s a nice group of wideouts, but I would be concerned about aging out.

Format is relevant too though & it looks like you can start at most 4 total WR/RB (must have 1 RB, 1 WR)

Am I reading that correctly? 

If so, all the more reason I would have preferred you deal McClaurin for 1 RB. Or even better, deal Hopkins or Allen for one since they’re 3-4 years older.

Not an unfair deal, but I don’t know that it helps your team that much given your format. As it is, you’re likely starting JWill, Nuk, Hill & Allen every week. Unless CEH breaks out in a big way He’s probably behind JWill. 

You can at most start 3 WR.  1RB, 1WR, 2Flex format.  Agreed this team is borderline aging out.  It's also a contender and I have a really hard time breaking up a contender for age, specifically at the WR position.  Ideally, I'll be able to trade Nuk+ this offseason for some younger WR talent.  We'll see.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

You can at most start 3 WR.  1RB, 1WR, 2Flex format.  Agreed this team is borderline aging out.  It's also a contender and I have a really hard time breaking up a contender for age, specifically at the WR position.  Ideally, I'll be able to trade Nuk+ this offseason for some younger WR talent.  We'll see.

That’s what I did with Nuk last year. Got 1.08 (took Pitts) and a 2023 2nd (likely to be top 3 - it was another owner’s 2nd)

At 30, coming off an injury plagued season, you’ll need to get the rosary beads out & pray he stays healthy for a season so you can get value out of him after this year. Otherwise he’ll retire on your roster.His window is closing fast & managers are hesitant to deal for a 30+ year old player.

Allen is in the same position, but he had a really good year (albeit overshadowed by MWilliams) - personally, I’d be trying to move Allen now.

 

[Boston]

That’s what I did with Nuk last year. Got 1.08 (took Pitts) and a 2023 2nd (likely to be top 3 - it was another owner’s 2nd)

At 30, coming off an injury plagued season, you’ll need to get the rosary beads out & pray he stays healthy for a season so you can get value out of him after this year. Otherwise he’ll retire on your roster.His window is closing fast & managers are hesitant to deal for a 30+ year old player.

Allen is in the same position, but he had a really good year (albeit overshadowed by MWilliams) - personally, I’d be trying to move Allen now.

I will add this…it is more than fine keeping a player like Hopkins as long as your overall roster has enough youth…while youth is the key to a good dynasty roster if you want to win a title you need some vets who are on the back 9…by constantly chasing youth you may not win as much as you should…it is a fine line but ultimately if you have enough youth you can use some rosters spots on players like Hopkins or Henry and that could be the difference between winning a championship and simply being good in the future….I was in the exact situation last year…at the beginning of the year my roster was loaded top to bottom with fantastic young players but as the season went on I realized I had gotten too young and made deals for players like Evans, Fournette and Connor and they helped me turn things around in a big way.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I will add this…it is more than fine keeping a player like Hopkins as long as your overall roster has enough youth…while youth is the key to a good dynasty roster if you want to win a title you need some vets who are on the back 9…by constantly chasing youth you may not win as much as you should…it is a fine line but ultimately if you have enough youth you can use some rosters spots on players like Hopkins or Henry and that could be the difference between winning a championship and simply being good in the future….I was in the exact situation last year…at the beginning of the year my roster was loaded top to bottom with fantastic young players but as the season went on I realized I had gotten too young and made deals for players like Evans, Fournetter and Connor and they helped me turn things around in a big way.

I don’t disagree with this at all. That was my approach & I made the playoffs 3 straight years. 

But with a roster with Nuk, Allen & Hill, it’s hard to see dealing one of the 2 younger receivers over one of the soon-to-be 30 y/o’s.

at some point one risks getting stuck with them.

But in @InDitkaWeTrust‘s format, he really only needs 1 WR (realistically a couple for depth) so it seems less risky. 1 WR, 1 RB, 2 Flex is a pretty small starting roster, so context does matter there. 

 

[Boston]

I don’t disagree with this at all. That was my approach & I made the playoffs 3 straight years. 

But with a roster with Nuk, Allen & Hill, it’s hard to see dealing one of the 2 younger receivers over one of the soon-to-be 30 y/o’s.

at some point one risks getting stuck with them.

But in @InDitkaWeTrust‘s format, he really only needs 1 WR (realistically a couple for depth) so it seems less risky. 1 WR, 1 RB, 2 Flex is a pretty small starting roster, so context does matter there. 

Totally agree…you can have some vets but you don’t want to go all in…agree about McLaurin…with the start 1 RB format and aging WRs I now don’t like that deal as it doesn’t help the roster the way I thought it originally did.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Totally agree…you can have some vets but you don’t want to go all in…agree about McLaurin…with the start 1 RB format and aging WRs I now don’t like that deal as it doesn’t help the roster the way I thought it originally did.

Yeah, IMO ideally one would acquire a RB better than JWill, if one were to go out and make a deal with one of those stud WRs. Especially if it’s one of the younger ones like McC.

Because of the format, they essentially dealt a bench WR for a bench RB. So again, not as devastating as in a start 3 WR, 2 RB format, but now CEH needs to break out for this deal to help that team. 

 

[Gally]

This was a league me and Gally play in and Don commishes. It went to a veto vote. In correspondence with the guy that brought it to a veto vote (I wrote him explaining why I wouldn't veto the deal) he said he wanted the owner's ownership to be discussed. This woman also dealt a first for Teddy Bridgewater this year. 

Just ####### awful. We already had one guy burn his picks and ditch, now this ####. Bull####. 

I'm prepared to eat my words if this works out for her, but I doubt it. I also explained all my reasoning for not vetoing in our other message board. I criticized the deal while leaving open the possibility that my valuation was off. Just poor management right now. 

I have been sending the team that got Mills many different offers of my Hurts.  The owner just declined offers with no real feedback and never once countered.  I also would have taken this deal if it was sent to me for Hurts.  When I questioned the owner why they never countered the response was because all my offers included players (not just picks) so ther were "blinded by the players" and they never thought to counter.

Like Rock I won't veto because there isn't collusion and owners should be able to manage their teams as they see fit.  So much luck involved that anything can happen.  It doesn't make this a good trade but to each their own.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Like Rock I won't veto because there isn't collusion and owners should be able to manage their teams as they see fit.  So much luck involved that anything can happen.  It doesn't make this a good trade but to each their own.

I respect that. I am typically of the same mindset.

But competitive balance has to come into the picture at some point. This is the sort of "trash for treasure" deal that, while not collusion, could build a super-team (and a doormat on the otherside) for years. It absolutely harms competitive balance. 

I would vote against this deal in my league, even though it's not collusion. In the league I commission, I've been very clear that trades don't need to be perfectly balanced, to be passed, and that typically no deal should be voted down except for collusion. But that's a league of 12 dudes who've known each other for decades & would never collude so it's not really an issue. 

In this case, Mills for those picks is potentially destructive.  And beyond the 1 team winning, one team getting destroyed aspect, from what I've seen over the years, deals like this can have a ripple effect, causing good owners to leave the league over it, or as @rockaction suggested, the team that lost the deal could bail, further compounding things for the league by having an orphan team lacking picks or players. 

 

[ghostguy123]

Henry's an outlier in many ways  and might end up being an exception but he'd have to be that exception for someone else as I could not spend that much on a 28 year old highly rode RB whose impact in passing game is minimal.

Just curious.

Where do you see Henry going in startups this year?  Where do you see the 3rd rookie going?

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Where do you see Henry going in startups this year? 
 

man this is a hard question. 

 

[ghostguy123]

man this is a hard question. 

Well last year he was what, early-mid 2nd?  I say this year probably mid 3rd.

Rookie pick #3 is the real question.  This year I can see anywhere from late 2nd to the 5th.  

 

[menobrown]

Just curious.

Where do you see Henry going in startups this year?  Where do you see the 3rd rookie going?

Really no idea on either but if I had to place a wager on who goes first, rookie 3 or Henry I'm put my money on Henry going first and feel great about the bet especially if the draft is before the NFL draft. Rookie 3 probably needs hype/positive draft outcome to leap Henry would be my guess.

 

[Boston]

man this is a hard question. 

I would say late second for Henry...I wouldn't do it but someone will as there are always a few guys who draft to win right out of the gate...as for the #3 pick I don't see that going too early right now...there doesn't appear to be a RB worthy of a real early pick (that could change based on where some gets drafted) and there are so many good WRs in the league right now I don't see one of these rookies going real early as well.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I don't see one of these rookies going real early as well.

always destination-dependent for RBs. I mean, for all players, but especially for RB. 

 

[ghostguy123]

Really no idea on either but if I had to place a wager on who goes first, rookie 3 or Henry I'm put my money on Henry going first and feel great about the bet especially if the draft is before the NFL draft. Rookie 3 probably needs hype/positive draft outcome to leap Henry would be my guess.

Right.  So knowing that Henry very likely will go ahead of rookie #3, maybe a couple full rounds ahead, doesnt sway your thoughts to go with Henry?  I mean, its February, and you know people are always looking for RB.  

Guessing Henry can be flipped/packaged for more down the line if someone chooses

 

[menobrown]

Right.  So knowing that Henry very likely will go ahead of rookie #3, maybe a couple full rounds ahead, doesnt sway your thoughts to go with Henry?  I mean, its February, and you know people are always looking for RB.  

Guessing Henry can be flipped/packaged for more down the line if someone chooses

Strategically speaking it's sound and if you are a value trader or feel confident of your abilities to not get stuck holding a player it makes perfect sense.

If it's a fault in my game I'll accept it as such as I can't argue against the strategy but that's just never been how  I operate in dynasty, have never been one to make a trade just on value or feel great about being able to flip someone for a profit.

So for me the answer is still no, I'd take 1.3 and the second.

 

[ghostguy123]

Strategically speaking it's sound and if you are a value trader or feel confident of your abilities to not get stuck holding a player it makes perfect sense.

If it's a fault in my game I'll accept it as such as I can't argue against the strategy but that's just never been how  I operate in dynasty, have never been one to make a trade just on value or feel great about being able to flip someone for a profit.

So for me the answer is still no, I'd take 1.3 and the second.

Well, more value allows you a greater opportunity to go get the guys you really want.  It doesnt always work, nothing "always" works in FF.

 

[DropKick]

I own Lamb and would rather have Waddle straight up, throw in ASB and I love that side. I think Lambs value is at a crossroads and he is entering an important season. I see a guy who seems more dedicated to his after catch celebrations than his craft. He needs to gain strength, sharpen his routes, and stop dropping the ball. He doesn’t have the speed to translate the YAC we saw in college to the NFL so he will need to gain strength and refine his routes to take the next step. 

I share your opinion and you did a great job of vocalizing your concerns.  Earlier I said that i had "mixed feelings" and a lot of it came from watching games this season where he was on a different page from Dak or just seemed too caught up in himself.

 

[BigAl21]

FFPC

gave : 2.01 and 4.02

got: Claypool

Before cut downs of course but I had a spot for him. He went from 11 TDs to 2 TDs last year. Hoping he settles into TD production somewhere in the middle and sees his value bump or at least settle in. Shopped 2.01 + for 2023 1st with no luck. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

FFPC

gave : 2.01 and 4.02

got: Claypool

Before cut downs of course but I had a spot for him. He went from 11 TDs to 2 TDs last year. Hoping he settles into TD production somewhere in the middle and sees his value bump or at least settle in. Shopped 2.01 + for 2023 1st with no luck. 

I like the value, as you aren’t likely to land anything with either of those picks as good as Claypool has the potential of being. 

It is fair to wonder about the production of all Steelers receivers in the post-Roethlisburger era. 

 

[Jonesin For Some Football]

Just had this one come across (PPR/1QB), and it is generating some discussion in the league...

Year 2022 Round 2 Draft Pick
Year 2022 Round 3 Draft Pick
Year 2023 Round 1 Draft Pick

for

Davis Mills

For Davis Mills?  Wow.  That might be too much for him in a SF league.  I very well might veto this as a Commish and I rarely do that.  At very least it is worth a league vote.  That is just terrible.  One of the worst I've seen on here.

 

[Jonesin For Some Football]

Yeah, it's a tough one. I'm choosing to be absolutist about it and not veto deals. That's my stance as of this writing about all deals. No veto. 

Her valuation is way off. Like light years. For context, the other owner said that was the offer she sent and he merely accepted. No negotiation. So fair on his part. That's a smash accept. I will say that if a friend sent me that offer, I'd make sure he was serious or not intoxicated in some way or another, but that's how I play, and it would have to be a friend.  

For more context: She has no quarterbacks going into the year. That is true. She had Bridgewater, Brissett, Dalton, A.J. McCarron, Tyrod Taylor, Geno Smith, and Deshaun Watson. 

Still wildly bad. 

I don't like vetos much either but I do believe that protecting the league sometimes supersedes that.  I'd say either veto the trade or find someone to take her place as she is bad for the league completely.  A 1st for Teddy B, Michel, and others.  This seems like someone that should be playing on ESPN for free in redraft leagues only.

 

[Jonesin For Some Football]

Hoping to move Ridley.  Tried to get 1.02 straight up which I knew was too aggressive.  
 

Gonna try the following: 

Ridley/1.12 for 1.02 and 2.02.  
 

If no go on that considering

Ridley for Sutton/2.02.  
 

Thoughts on valuation?  Asking too much?  Too little?

I have Ridley too and thought about moving him but I feel his talent is too good for the value you would get back depending on the league.  If you can get any of those deals, I'd probably do it (although not huge on Sutton personally and 2.02 in a down draft) so maybe not that one.  I'd probably hold personally but if I could get to 1.02, I would.

 

[ghostguy123]

FFPC standard

Pick 1.03

For

Michael Pittman and a 2023 1st (middle of road team) 

 

[jm192]

FFPC standard

Pick 1.03

For

Michael Pittman and a 2023 1st (middle of road team) 

My immediate gut reaction is to like the Pittman/2023 1st side.  

 

[Jonesin For Some Football]

FFPC standard

Pick 1.03

For

Michael Pittman and a 2023 1st (middle of road team) 

I could see the argument on both sides if you are really in love with the top of this draft but I'd go Pittman/23 1st personally.

 

[Birdie048]

FFPC standard

Pick 1.03

For

Michael Pittman and a 2023 1st (middle of road team) 

Surprised at the price for the 1.03 is a marginal draft year.  Give me the Pittman/1st side clearly! 

In Oct 2021, I traded Pittman for Hubbard & 2023 1st (I own CMC).