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****OFFICIAL DYNASTY TRADES**** (24 Viewers)

greenmountaingoat said:
Based on what I'm reading here, most folks would appreciate a note with a suggestion or two of the framework. 

I'm so new to this that I'm not comfortable without looking up trade values in at least 3 places before making a move. I'm looking to rebuild but having the 1.01 every year forever.. maybe not 🙂
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My strategy here is not normal, nor is it for the feint of heart. It was a juncture where I was looking at my team falling off of an age/injury cliff, and I took the deliberate leap to blow it up instead of falling. 

I'm quite likely to have the 1.01 in 2024 as well, because it's unlikely that my core of players + 7 of the 1st 13 rookies will make me a competitor that year. Improved, sure, but then I won't mind having that 1.01, as there are a few RBs I like who are projected for 2024 as well. 

But you're correct - I do hope to not have a top 5 pick in 2025. By then my expectation is that I'm competing. 

We can collectively learn if I'm onto something, or if I'm completely insane. it may well be a little bit of both. 

:crazy:

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
You misspelled "stole". 

What a coup to get that much talent for 1.01 & 205

I don't see it as protest-worthy, but it's definitely leaning heavily in your favor. Heavily. Like if the deal was between 2 brothers, and the brother with the terrible team was sending this package of players to the brother with the good team, it would look bad. 

But assuming that's not the case, there's no rule against people making bad trades. From your perspective it's a fantastic trade. 
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I know I say this a million times a  week but it is worth noting this trade partner cleared three roster spots. FFPC. 

Ok nevermind looking at his team it is terrible. He is at 17 and I count 8 players I am cutting on other rosters. He also has two kickers so I mean...

 
barackdhouse said:
I know I say this a million times a  week but it is worth noting this trade partner cleared three roster spots. FFPC. 

Ok nevermind looking at his team it is terrible. He is at 17 and I count 8 players I am cutting on other rosters. He also has two kickers so I mean...
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So how does that work with rookies? Is there a rookie taxi squad, and a 16 man roster for the main squad? 

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
I'd probably make this deal for 2022's draft. The values of the WRs & RBs in that 3-8 range is pretty murky, and you basically double your chances of hitting on a player. 
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 I can certainly see scenarios were pick 3 is more or less clear cut and not so murky and I was not looking to move back but when I got the offer I figured about as you said and felt it was worth the two shots so I accepted it.

 
Just made a biggish trade that this ties in beautifully with what we've been talking about here. I've largely told people "I'm not interested in moving Waller" but on one SF team where I also have Andrews, one owner has persistently come after Waller recently. But I don't think I have said anything. Just RNC. But I think this guy's offers were in the middle of just a ton of stuff for me and since I didn't wanna do them I just RNC. Today (as this whole conversation in this thread unfolded) the guy sent me two more offers. They got my attention.

But he also included a message in one offer that said "If you’re not willing to trade Waller, let me know. I don’t want to keep annoying with offers." Polite, direct, informative.

I've known all along that just like HSG said, he has tipped his hand. BTW, a blank offer without a message is also tipping one's hand. At some point people have to put their cards down, though, which is why I prefer bringing an offer when I reach out. To at least have something out there for them to think about.

Anyway I liked both of his offers but knew I could get more. Now it isn't about gouging, for me it is more a question of "a deal is imminent, what other mutually beneficial things could we add to this deal that would make it even better for me?" Not "what would screw my opponent over more." When a deal is imminent I like to look for opportunities to spice it up and it can be good for both.

 
So anyway that said above, in FFPC SuperFlex:

I gave Waller, R Jones II, Henderson, Chuba
I got CEH, 1.04

And now I can keep K Herbert and take that dart throw. And MVS and see what happens with him.

I just realized I didn't really complete my point in the post above. The thing was I really wanted to get CEH on top of the 1.04 that he had been offering. So we went back and forth a couple times and this is what happened. 

 
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menobrown said:
 I can certainly see scenarios were pick 3 is more or less clear cut and not so murky and I was not looking to move back but when I got the offer I figured about as you said and felt it was worth the two shots so I accepted it.
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Yeah, I mean even if 1.03 emerges as a more obvious option (say, drafted by quality team/situation) I still think you win value-wise getting 6 & 8. 

 
barackdhouse said:
But he also included a message in one offer that said "If you’re not willing to trade Waller, let me know. I don’t want to keep annoying with offers." Polite, direct, informative.
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In dealing for that early 1st, I left almost an identical message. “If this isn’t close or you’re not interested in dealing the pick, let me know so I don’t keep bugging you.”

he hit me on GroupMe saying trades are his favorite part of Dynasty & by all means keep throwing offers out. 

it’s a critical part of trading - that let me know a deal could be struck if I got creative. 

barackdhouse said:
I've known all along that just like HSG said, he has tipped his hand. BTW, a blank offer without a message is also tipping one's hand. At some point people have to put their cards down, though, which is why I prefer bringing an offer when I reach out. To at least have something out there for them to think about.

Anyway I liked both of his offers but knew I could get more. Now it isn't about gouging, for me it is more a question of "a deal is imminent, what other mutually beneficial things could we add to this deal that would make it even better for me?" Not "what would screw my opponent over more." When a deal is imminent I like to look for opportunities to spice it up and it can be good for both.
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Agreed 

 
I bought a few orphan dynasty teams and this one had no middle picks at all and I need to get down to 16. 
 

12 team SF PPR 

I traded away Juju

recieved - 4.7 and 5.7 and 2nd/23. 

 
Good discussion on varying approaches to trading. There isn’t a right or wrong. It is more a personal preference to actually receive an offer versus, “so what do you want for Ekeler?” message.

I usually try to offer some advice like, “I value him as a top five RB so plan accordingly”. This usually stops the offers that will end up in the Worst Trade Offer thread.

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
lol

ok - I dealt 2022 1.08 + Danny 10 cents for Carter & 2022 2.09

I then dealt Carter, Engram, 2022 2.09, 2023 2.0(4-5-6-7)  and 2024 3.0(2-8?)  for a 2023 top 4 pick. 
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Ok so 1.08 plus Carter plus one* 2nd and some junk for top 4 2023 1st. I think it is fine. I like it. Probably fair but I doubt I would move any of my future 1sts for that. Which means you won. 

*the 2.09 cancels itself out

 
FFPC 1QB different leagues

I gave Z Wilson
I got D Harris

I gave 3.10, 2023 3rd
I got MVS

FFPC SuperFlex

I gave Drake, Ridley, 2023 2nd
I got Aiyuk

 
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barackdhouse said:
FFPC 1QB different leagues

I gave Z Wilson
I got D Harris

I gave 3.10, 2023 3rd
I got MVS

FFPC SuperFlex

I gave Drake, Ridley, 2023 2nd
I got Aiyuk
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Love getting Harris for Wilson 1QB

like Aiyuk at this price

dont like MVS deal, though.

I guess the rationale is he becomes a big piece of this GB throwing attack without Adams. I just don’t think he’s that great and wouldn’t pay one third let alone two thirds.

 
Marauder said:
Wow.  Somebody really gave up Damien Harris for Zach Wilson in a 1 QB FFPC league?  What a steal.  I wouldn't even consider Wilson to be rosterable in this format.
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I don't even understand how this happened. I offered A Rodgers for Harris. I already have Fields and decided I'd try to get something for Rodgers (in FFPC). Z Wilson was highlighted in grey in my spreadsheet, meaning I have already cut him in my mind, just not in reality.

Dude counters with Wilson for Harris so go figure.

Example a billion+1 why you don't cut until the last minute.

 
Gally said:
this would depend on my roster and chances in the upcoming year.  If I could weather the loss of Dak and have a favorite pegged at 1.04 then maybe.  Otherwise I rather have Dak. 
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Yep, I'm WR poor in that league and a (somewhat) aging contender.  My thoughts are that I can likely land one of the big WR targets in the draft and have AR12 hold me over until that rookie starts putting in real work.  My QB room is pretty solid without Dak, so it's not a huge loss to my weekly scoring.

 
InDitkaWeTrust said:
My QB room is pretty solid without Dak, so it's not a huge loss to my weekly scoring.
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this context helps, since you’re deep at QB, but for an aging team this doesn’t exactly get you younger for ARob (about to turn 29). 

Plus I feel like in SF you could get a lot more for Dak than that package. The 1.04 isn’t bad, but in 2022 it’s not great either.  You need to absolutely nail that pick for this deal to work for you, IMO

I know folks hate trade calcs, but just for giggles I ran it through Dynasty dominator & Dynasty 101

Dominator: 

275.x < 417.x Dak

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101:

1514 < 1973 Dak

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Hot Sauce Guy said:
this context helps, since you’re deep at QB, but for an aging team this doesn’t exactly get you younger for ARob (about to turn 29). 

Plus I feel like in SF you could get a lot more for Dak than that package. The 1.04 isn’t bad, but in 2022 it’s not great either.  You need to absolutely nail that pick for this deal to work for you, IMO

I know folks hate trade calcs, but just for giggles I ran it through Dynasty dominator & Dynasty 101

Dominator: 

275.x < 417.x Dak

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101:

1514 < 1973 Dak

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Thanks for the input.  Both DTC and FBG trade dynasty calc have it reversed.  Again, it's calcs so grain of salt and whatnot.  My thought is that I've got 1 max 2 years as a solid contender given the age of my main pieces.  I'm pulling a Tampa here trying to pull out all the stops to put this team in a position to win 2022 and/or 2023.  Once that timeframe is over, I'll be blowing it up.  But I do understand the general consensus of getting younger, hording picks and whatnot.

 
InDitkaWeTrust said:
Thanks for the input.  Both DTC and FBG trade dynasty calc have it reversed.  Again, it's calcs so grain of salt and whatnot.  My thought is that I've got 1 max 2 years as a solid contender given the age of my main pieces.  I'm pulling a Tampa here trying to pull out all the stops to put this team in a position to win 2022 and/or 2023.  Once that timeframe is over, I'll be blowing it up.  But I do understand the general consensus of getting younger, hording picks and whatnot.
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Shocked that any calcs favor the other side, but yeah - grain of salt.

And I get that, but I feel like you could have gotten one great WR for Dak instead of a Goff/ARob/1.04 package. 

Since, as you say, you didn't need Dak, I assume you didn't need to get a QB back from dealing him.  In general, I'd always rather be on the "1" side of a 2:1. 

Good luck with the 1.04 - nail that pick and this deal looks a lot better to me. 

 
InDitkaWeTrust said:
12 team superflex PPR

Gave: Dak

Got 1.04, Allen Robinson, and Jared Goff
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This feels like Dak by a mile.  I'd hate to be playing Goff.  A-Rob on the downslide of his career and Kupp still going to get like 40% of the targets there.  Plus, they still want OBJ back.  1.4 is a good piece but no QBs in this draft so I'll go Dak.  Could end up ok though.

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
lol

ok - I dealt 2022 1.08 + Danny 10 cents for Carter & 2022 2.09

I then dealt Carter, Engram, 2022 2.09, 2023 2.0(4-5-6-7)  and 2024 3.0(2-8?)  for a 2023 top 4 pick. 
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I’m late to the overall trade in question, but to the starting one here:

Did Carter really show that well or obvious lack of value attached to Danny Jones Locker equate valuing out with 1.08 on top?  I didn’t watch or read much on Carter last year, I think I remember he started slow, has a few good weeks, then injury.  Admittedly, I’m mostly of a “stay away from NYJ players” mentality.

Anywho, I need some RB upgrades and don’t think 1.08 will get me that this year in SF and I just so happen to also have Double D on the team.  Pondering if I shouldn’t look to duplicate this here

 
That one guy said:
I’m late to the overall trade in question, but to the starting one here:

Did Carter really show that well or obvious lack of value attached to Danny Jones Locker equate valuing out with 1.08 on top?  I didn’t watch or read much on Carter last year, I think I remember he started slow, has a few good weeks, then injury.  Admittedly, I’m mostly of a “stay away from NYJ players” mentality.
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This was right when everyone was predicting a "Trubisky to the Giants" deal, and 1. I got spooked, and 2. I felt Carter might be an ascending asset while Jones feels like an asset in decline - especially in the context of #1.  I also figured Carter might help me get another coveted 1st rounder, and I was correct. 

That one guy said:
Anywho, I need some RB upgrades and don’t think 1.08 will get me that this year in SF and I just so happen to also have Double D on the team.  Pondering if I shouldn’t look to duplicate this here
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It's not a bad play if you can pull it off. I didn't mind the deal for Carter at all - like you, RB is/was my weakness, and I didn't see anything in the 2022 draft that would lessen that weakness. Carter might be a RB2 as his ceiling, but he's flex-worthy as his floor, so even if I got "stuck" with him, I felt it was well worth the 1.08/DJ package. Good luck! 

 
Atomic Punk said:
Good discussion on varying approaches to trading. There isn’t a right or wrong. It is more a personal preference to actually receive an offer versus, “so what do you want for Ekeler?” message.

I usually try to offer some advice like, “I value him as a top five RB so plan accordingly”. This usually stops the offers that will end up in the Worst Trade Offer thread.
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There can be a wrong way, someone offered me N.Hines for my 2023 1st in FFPC yesterday

 
Winning IS Everything said:
I LOVE Jeudy, but like the Etienne side here.
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Lisfranc injuries that require surgery are tricky, unlike most other injuries.  It ranks right up there with a torn Achilles, maybe worse in some cases.  Either way, both are bad for running backs.  A torn ACL probably ranks 3rd because of medical advancement, but even players with those don't do well their first year back most of the time.

 
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irish eyes said:
Was offered Kareem hunt,Aaron Jones, 1.12, 3.12 for my 1.01. 
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If it was assured top 3 in 2023 I would be tempted.  I know people are down on Jones, but I expect a big year from him in 2021 and getting Hunt and the 1.12 makes me think that group over the 1.01 in 2022, which will be Breece Hall in most cases.

 
irish eyes said:
Was offered Kareem hunt,Aaron Jones, 1.12, 3.12 for my 1.01. 
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You playing for this year? It's reasonably close. I -- and the calcs don't have it this way -- prefer the 1.01 if you're not a contender. Even if you are a contender, I still want the 1.01 this year, but I traded for it, so...

Hall is an elite prospect athletically. 

 
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