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****OFFICIAL DYNASTY TRADES**** (19 Viewers)

Boston said:
I don't blame you...it is 2022, no excuses to not have legit scoring...on a sidenote both my leagues got rid of kickers and Defenses awhile back and it has been 100% positive.
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Sounds like it's time for you to jump into IDP.  It is a vast improvement as you actually end up watching the defensive side a lot more.  Plus the info isn't as readily available so it rewards the owners that put in the time to figure it out.  You can actually find true "sleepers" again.  

 
Gally said:
Sounds like it's time for you to jump into IDP.  It is a vast improvement as you actually end up watching the defensive side a lot more.  Plus the info isn't as readily available so it rewards the owners that put in the time to figure it out.  You can actually find true "sleepers" again.  
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We have thought about it but we have pretty deep starting line-ups and the feeling is it would just be too much...that being said I could see it happening sometime in the future.

 
Gally said:
Sounds like it's time for you to jump into IDP.  It is a vast improvement as you actually end up watching the defensive side a lot more.  Plus the info isn't as readily available so it rewards the owners that put in the time to figure it out.  You can actually find true "sleepers" again.  
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This is the best part of IDP. I got so used to changing the channel if the offense wasn't on the field. IDP got me back to watching entire football games, as I'd have players on both sides. 

 
Boston said:
We have thought about it but we have pretty deep starting line-ups and the feeling is it would just be too much...that being said I could see it happening sometime in the future.
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Oh no, more scoring, whatever will we do? 

:lol:  

This is a common response - trust me, no matter how deep your starting lineup, everyone will grow to love having a starting defensive lineup as well. The positions run deep, and it gives everyone more ways to win every week. 

And despite scores almost doubling, it's amazing how many games are still decided by a fraction of a point. 

OK, /topic derail. 

 
JoeJoe88 said:
I’ve played in both, and I don’t think I’d ever go back to a 1QB league. Not saying I’m right and you’re wrong, we all have our preferences, just my two cents. 
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Yeah I prefer SF by a wide margin. I'll never stop playing in 1QB leagues though. 

 
Gally said:
The key to making SF not be total QB dominant is making sure the scoring system treats QB's like other positions so it's not necessarily a total foregone conclusion that a QB is played in that roster spot.  QB's still make more sense because of their consistency but if the scoring is set up right you can play a different position and not be blown out of the water because the player can score just like a QB.  
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This. And in FFPC where you are required to start 2RB and 2WR, with 2 FLEX(one being the SF), that means that if you need to start someone who isn't a QB in the SF spot, you're looking at either starting your own RB3 (if you're starting a WR or TE in the other FLEX), or your own WR3 (if you're starting a RB or TE in your other FLEX) or your own TE2 (if you're starting a RB or WR in the other FLEX), or I suppose your TE3 if you start your TE2 at other FLEX.

I realize that paragraph is probably formatted terribly to read well but basically I'm looking at my roster makeups in my sheet right now and the players I have that are RB3 or WR3 or TE2 consist of the likes of guys like Claypool, Evans, McLaurin, ####### Tyreek, Pittman, Javonte, Mitchell, CEH, Waller, Andrews

Are those names you'd feel terrible starting instead of a QB?

 
Trade last night in my zealots league. TY Hilton and pick 6.06 for JuJu.

Head scratcher.

How low did this guy value JuJu before he went to a team with Mahomes?

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
You’d be amazed at how many “IDP leagues” sort of slapped it in, where they have only a few IDP spots, and low scoring comparatively. I’ve been invited to a few and didn’t join specifically because of the low scoring IDP compared to offensive positions. 
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Not to derail the thread but I'm in a redraft league that added IDP a couple years ago, but they went way too light on the scoring.  Unless one of your guys gets a strip sack fumble and score, the top end IDP scores are 8-10 pts.  Drafting in this league is fun, because everyone starts diving for Aaron Donald/Ramsey/Mack/JJWatt types as soon as their starting lineup is full, I just fill my bench and then save the IDP spots for last.  If they score like kickers, draft them like kickers (LAST!)  :shrug:

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
My dynasty league ditched kickers & D/ST. I don't mind it at all. 

I've proposed it 2 years in a row in IDP, and they love the randomness of K.  Alas, I am saddled with kickers for eternity. :(  
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I'm in the same boat.  I have been trying to get all my leagues to drop the K for years and would be cool to do it with the D too but People love them for some reason so I don't see it ever happening in my leagues.

 
wlwiles said:
Not to derail the thread but I'm in a redraft league that added IDP a couple years ago, but they went way too light on the scoring.  Unless one of your guys gets a strip sack fumble and score, the top end IDP scores are 8-10 pts.  Drafting in this league is fun, because everyone starts diving for Aaron Donald/Ramsey/Mack/JJWatt types as soon as their starting lineup is full, I just fill my bench and then save the IDP spots for last.  If they score like kickers, draft them like kickers (LAST!)  :shrug:
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See, when scoring between offense and defense is balanced, you will see the top linebackers and defensive lineman start to fly off the board in the fifth and sizth rounds, long before starting offensive lineups are filled out. That’s when drafts get really crazy. 

 
Warhogs said:
Trade last night in my zealots league. TY Hilton and pick 6.06 for JuJu.

Head scratcher.

How low did this guy value JuJu before he went to a team with Mahomes?
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That’s bad.  I traded him for Dawson Knox before the Chiefs got him and I still don’t feel bad about it afterwards with either the JuJu or Howard trades.

 
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BigJim® said:
I agree with this, but have to say I’m sort of perplexed as a JJSS owner how he signs a 1 year cheapie contract with a team who then pays MVS $36M/3 years. Something’s off.
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The NFL puts a premium on speed at WR that's often not reflected in the statistics of the speedy player.

For PPR fantasy owners,  the player catching the 1 for 8  type of play with regularity, often times because that's what the defense decided to give them, is a lot more valuable to us then them.

 
menobrown said:
The NFL puts a premium on speed at WR that's often not reflected in the statistics of the speedy player.

For PPR fantasy owners,  the player catching the 1 for 8  type of play with regularity, often times because that's what the defense decided to give them, is a lot more valuable to us then them.
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It's valuable even for non-PPR players, but it's not as drastic as a point per catch. I think a point per catch is too much, and prefer .5. 

But that's neither here nor there. Your point, which is well put, is that NFL puts a premium and pays guys that can stretch defenses and track balls while maintaining that speed more because it's something that can't be coached or taught and is a heck of skill. The tracking part can be practiced, but only by the subset that gets by the initial screen of speed. 

That's why teams are still lining up for Will Fuller. His hands are decent, his routes okay, but his speed and tracking are sublime. That's the kind of guy that puts up near fifty in a fantasy game if defenses decide to give that up. Your average recipients of dink-and-dunk garbage can't score that many points and aren't as valuable to the NFL guys.

That's why a guy like Henry Ruggs, who people thought and might still think (incredibly wrongly) was a bust, was so darn important to the Raiders at the beginning of last year when they were surprising teams. He led them to a victory over Kansas City the year before that with two deep balls that totally softened up that defense and other defenses that had tape of the game. The NFL hates giving those plays away, and wants to make you Hank Stram the ball down the field in little increments because drives stall, turnovers happen, etc. 

But back to MVS and Tyreek. MVS, for all the people knocking him, puts pressure on a defense like few in the game. But he's not Tyreek. Nobody is. Tyreek is two steps and gone. MVS takes a little to get going like most humans do. You can't even plan for Tyreek watching tape. All you can do is two high and pray, really. 

 
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Warhogs said:
Trade last night in my zealots league. TY Hilton and pick 6.06 for JuJu.

Head scratcher.

How low did this guy value JuJu before he went to a team with Mahomes?
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That beats mine. Day before the trade someone offered me 3.11 and I declined. But I had never seen any trade or offer that was more indicative of Juju's low water mark. Until today. And that was now that we know he is a Chief? I know 6.06 is worth more in those Zealots leagues but dang.

 
Big trade in my 12 Team, 12 Player keeper league - PPR - 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE Flex

Team A gets:
RB Javonte Williams
WR Rondale Moore
1.02

Team B gets:
WR J Jefferson

 
Smokin Okie said:
Big trade in my 12 Team, 12 Player keeper league - PPR - 1QB 2RB 3WR 1TE Flex

Team A gets:
RB Javonte Williams
WR Rondale Moore
1.02

Team B gets:
WR J Jefferson
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Jefferson is as good as you get and you need to overpay to get him but this is 2022 inflation prices…it is an overpay.

 
barackdhouse said:
FFPC 1QB different leagues

e 3.10, 2023 3rd
I got MVS
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BigAl21 said:
dont like MVS deal, though.

I guess the rationale is he becomes a big piece of this GB throwing attack without Adams. I just don’t think he’s that great and wouldn’t pay one third let alone two thirds.
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Do you feel any different now that he landed a big deal in KC? I didn't plan it this way but in that same league I did the following tonight:

I gave 2.03, MVS, Tonyan
I got Toney, 2023 2nd

 
barackdhouse said:
Do you feel any different now that he landed a big deal in KC? I didn't plan it this way but in that same league I did the following tonight:

I gave 2.03, MVS, Tonyan
I got Toney, 2023 2nd
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The fact I think very highly of Toney’s potential upside means I really like this trade for you…MVS landed in a great spot but he was also in one and was never able to get to the next level so I have zero issues moving him…on paper you don’t have much exposure in this deal and if Toney can figure it out this year this could be a real steal for you.

 
barackdhouse said:
Do you feel any different now that he landed a big deal in KC? I didn't plan it this way but in that same league I did the following tonight:

I gave 2.03, MVS, Tonyan

I got Toney, 2023 2nd
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I'm not a big believer in Toney but I like the Toney side of this one by quite a bit.  The 2nd's cancel each other out and MVS is terrible.  Him going to KC doesn't increase his value at all IMO.  He was in a better spot in GB with Rodgers and a wide open #2 WR spot and he could never hold on to that job. 

 
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FFPC SuperFlex different leagues

I gave 3.12, 2023 4th
I got Albert O

I gave Rodgers, Hunt
I got Mitchell, Baker, 2023 1st &3rd, DPJ (I will be cutting him I included him so partner could clear a roster spot)

I gave Carson
I got Sony, 2023 4th

I gave Jimmy G
I got 2023 3rd

 
IHEARTFF said:
That is a totally reasonable explanation. And if you have to make those types of decisions and trades, your team is probably loaded.
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I meant to say I did intend to deliver such a wordy response to your comments. I actually agreed with  what you said, just got carried with my explanation on why I felt the trade made sense for me anyway.

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
Seems like a pretty solid return for ‘Mouth. 

I did not have him pegged as a first round value. So if you’re good at TE, I like it for you. 
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I tried getting the 1.11 but that guy didn't want it. I offered Freiermuth to someone else for the 1.09 and then the guy accepted like five days later. I was at the grocery store and saw the alert and thought, Holy crap, he accepted with no counter! 

 
phandango said:
FFPC 1QB

Gave: Pat Freiermuth

Got: 1.09
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All depends on what you have at TE…if you are deep than it makes sense but if you need help there I would do this for Freiermuth hoping what we saw last year is the beginning of a nice stretch of not having to worry about that position for quite sometime…IMO this kid looks like he could be a real good one.

 
Boston said:
All depends on what you have at TE…if you are deep than it makes sense but if you need help there I would do this for Freiermuth hoping what we saw last year is the beginning of a nice stretch of not having to worry about that position for quite sometime…IMO this kid looks like he could be a real good one.
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I've got Andrews already. The Pitts hype last year really pushed Freiermuth down in rookie drafts, and I was able to grab a ton of him in FFPC. I like him a lot. 

 
ghostguy123 said:
Do you prefer pick 1.04 or the future 1st?
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I prefer the ‘23 first.

i also think Lamb is the best/most valuable piece of the deal, age/upside.

I could see others liking the Kamara/Sutton/1.04 side.

I’ve already dealt away both Kamara & Sutton. Kamara feels like he’s closer to falling off a cliff than in his prime. And I know there’s a lot of optimism surrounding Denver WR with Russ in town - but also a lot of folks cashing out on Den WRs on that optimism.

i do see it as fair though. 

 
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FFPC 12 team SF league

I traded away Tannehill and K Hunt

and in return I got Irv Smith, Toney and 3.08. 

I tried for a 2nd next year, but this was as good as it was going to get. My team got younger, so I am happy with this move. 

 
Man, y’all are putting a lot of indirect pressure on my boy Danny Dimes with all this Toney love going around…hope y’all are right, too, ‘cuz I’d like to sell Double D but have been planning on waiting until season and a solid start to get most value.  A risky plan for sure, that I know 

 
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