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****OFFICIAL DYNASTY TRADES**** (15 Viewers)
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sheerterror
Footballguy
Very interesting trade. I think I lean CMC/Pittman side, but I'm also very high on Pittman and think he fully breaks out this year.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
joey
Footballguy
How the mighty have fallen. AJB owner should not have to add anything to the offer to get Waddle imo.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
He got robbed then of a 2nd in a much deeper draft. Bad management. He goes to the Bill O'Brien school of GMing?
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
I can see both sides of this trade actually. I would take the CMC side but if you are truly a Pollard believer then I could see taking the other side. CMC has just proved to be too elite for me to take the Cowboy backfield at this time.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
I lean towards the CMC side of this due to RB scarcity but really love all 4 guys in this trade. I have no problem with either side and do believe CeeDee will take that giant step this year. This seems really fair to me.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
I can't believe the AJB owner had to add a decent asset like White (or even 2.02). I don't like AJB on the Eagles much at all personally and do like Waddle but think I'd have to lean the Brown side here. Don't like it at all but this feels like a big overpay with Tua throwing him the ball and the Cheetah there.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
I like both of these. Campbell could be well worth a throw-away 4th rounder if he can finally stay on the field. Although, I hope you have an IR spot to place him on as most likely that is where he ends up but worth the dart throw.
On a win-now team, Ertz is so much more valuable than Jordan that a 3.10 is essentially a worthless throw-in here. I'd do this all day, Ertz still has 1-3 years left in him as TEs age much more gracefully than the other skill positions.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
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JohnnyU
Footballguy
barackdhouse
Footballguy
FFPC has orphans listed on their website and you can also buy auctioned teams for FFPC on dynastydepot.com. I have a few teams for sale as well and you can DM if you like.
Twenty-Four Eighty-Four
Footballguy
Start 1RB, 2 WR, bunch of flex Dynasty league. PPR.
Traded McLaurin, Singletary, Ronald Jones
Received Waddle, McKissic, 2023 3rd.
Traded McLaurin, Singletary, Ronald Jones
Received Waddle, McKissic, 2023 3rd.
DropKick
Footballguy
Lehigh98
Footballguy
Rebuilding and took a tier down in TE while also going from 26 to 29 yo to add a 28 yo WR in a questionable QB situation after this year? I don't think Andrews repeats last year's numbers but think the rebuilding team could have done better here.
I may have made it more confusing. The team trading away Waller and Evans are in a full rebuild mode. The team trading away Mandrews is a contender and wanted more depth at WR.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
I am just a little down on Waddle with Hill there and really want to see how that shakes out with Tua before I jump on that bandwagon. Singletary is way more valuable than McKissic, RoJo could win the job in KC, and a 3rd isn't a big piece at all.
I probably lean towards the Scary Terry side personally but have no problem with either. Definitely fair enough if you are a Waddle believer, as I was before the Hill trade but also really like McLaurin with a better QB than he has ever had too.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
I read this the same way that LeHigh did at first. Seemed dumb. In a TE Prem and rebuilding, I would say that Andrews is the jewel of this trade and only 26. Mariota and the pick don't move the needle much but as long as he has a path to start competing in about 2 years when Andrews is still a little bit away from 30, this seems like a good move for a rebuilder as Evans/Waller don't fit in to their timeframe at all.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I prefer the talent on the Waller/Evans side, but for a rebuild I get it. It’s light return though.
Good deal to get Andrews, but I’d want much more than Andrews/Mariota for Evans & Waller. While older they should each command a 1st still. In TE-P, maybe a little more. Mariota isn’t a great balancing piece.
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Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
Totally agreed but I think Andrews helps balance that out as I feel he is a much bigger asset than Darren the Baller Waller. At 26, a team with a lack of WR options, a QB that likes the middle of the field, and Waller now has to deal with Renfrow & Adams.
Agreed it is a little light as Evans should be worth a little more than the smaller difference between those TEs, a 3rd, and Mariota but I have seen leagues where Evans is hard to get real value for. I'd like to see a better young player instead of Mariota or a 1st for sure there but it's not terrible.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Yes, it's not terribly far off - Evans seems to finally be realizing his value in trades as he approaches 30. I've seen quite a few deals for him, and he commands a 1st easily.
But like you said - it's not terrible. Andrews is easily the best asset in the deal. It just seems like a win-now team in need of a WR would pay more for an elite asset like Evans, given Evans situation with Tom Brady & his voluminous RZ work. And they're getting back a semi-elite TE as well, so it's not like they have a huge talent drop-off at TE, though they do shorten their win-now window.
But then, the perfect trade partner isn't always available and sometimes you get what you get. Would have liked to have seen at least a 2nd coming back to the team giving up Evans/Waller. Especially since it's expected to be a late pick - even later when they have Evans/Waller. That 3rd is likely to be closer to a 4th. So yeah - not terrible, but a 2nd rounder is about what I feel the difference in value is.
Personally I think team Andrews should have held on to Andrews, given the format.
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Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
I agree with that and then find a way to pay for a WR without giving up Andrews. If I were the team giving up Evans/Waller, I'd have wanted a player like Elijah Moore or another young WR or even like a Justin Fields or something instead of Mariota. Or a 2nd or 1st like you said to make this even.
I could see swapping Andrews for Waller if you really needed a WR. Hard to say without seeing the teams but Mariota/3rd didn't cost him anything really.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Exactly - or another smart play if swapping the TEs would have been for the team getting Evans to get a much younger WR asset than Evans. But again - hard to know if that was even possible without knowing all circumstances.
Pretty sure team "about to get stuck with 2x 30 year-olds retiring on their roster" feels great about offloading them both, though. I just think they coulda pressed for more.
FFPC Superflex Best Ball dynasty
Gave: Gabriel Davis, rookie R3
Got: Cam Akers, rookie R4
This came out of nowhere. Other guy offered Akers for Davante Adams. I rejected. Next day, he offered the above. I have a partner in this league and had to run it by him but was basically like, "Dude, hurry up and respond before he pulls the offer." In current FFPC superflex ADP, Akers goes in the mid-third of startups, while Davis is going at the end of the sixth. I'm not even an Akers guy, either (don't have him on any teams).
Also, we picked up Davis late last season off waivers for $1.
Gave: Gabriel Davis, rookie R3
Got: Cam Akers, rookie R4
This came out of nowhere. Other guy offered Akers for Davante Adams. I rejected. Next day, he offered the above. I have a partner in this league and had to run it by him but was basically like, "Dude, hurry up and respond before he pulls the offer." In current FFPC superflex ADP, Akers goes in the mid-third of startups, while Davis is going at the end of the sixth. I'm not even an Akers guy, either (don't have him on any teams).
Also, we picked up Davis late last season off waivers for $1.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
I'm not huge on Akers either but I would have smash accepted this. I know some people are ridiculously high on Davis this year but have to take this value.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I am that people, and I would also smash accept. Then I would flip Akers for a player that I wanted.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
i’m on the Akers side here, but it’s worth noting that what you paid for Gabriel Davis is irrelevant in the context of this deal.
That you paid one dollar for him off waivers is awesome (and I’m not actually sure how that happened, since last year he was considered to be a very good future asset) doesn’t make this a better or worse deal… but the current value of Gabriel Davis is what it is.
Let’s say someone offered you a player much less valuable than Gabriel Davis‘s current value. Would you deal him away because you only paid one dollar?
i’m just saying…
that said, nice get.
Of course, our cost for Davis didn't factor into our valuation. (I don't know why he was on waivers, either, but in FFPC, guys make weird moves toward the end of the year, especially the past few seasons when covid also affected weekly lineup availability.) Our team had like $2 or $3 of FAAB left, and I threw $1 on Davis for the hell of it and got him, so I constantly remind my partner of how great that makes me.
If I had picked up Akers for $1 because someone dropped him after the Achilles injury, I'm not trading him for Davis just because it's a "profit" from the cost I paid.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
You would be surprised how many people do factor that "value" into the trade. I hear it all the time in trade talks. It's very frustrating because there really isn't any reply to I got the guy in the 2nd round so I should get 2nd round value for him. Once the draft is over the round you got a guy in is totally irrelevant. It now moves to how he is actually performing.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
Totally agreed but at the same time if the price was steep, I get them wanting to hold that person to see if he can return that value on the field. I'm not a sell low guy so I'd rather let a guy I took in the early 2nd die on my roster trying to resurect his value than trade him for a late 3rd or 4th even if that is his current value. I can see both sides as to why not making a trade but you can't ask for more value because of that.
That is a reasonable reason to not trade a guy for sure and that is really the art of the game. Everyone is trying to predict what a player will do and obviously if I am trying to get a guy that is underperforming currently it means I think he can turn things around.
Where I get frustrated the most is when I have offered a guy that is overperforming his draft value for six weeks for a package of underperforming guys to that point and the retort back is "I am not trading my second round pick for your 10th round pick". That to me is asinine. Tell me you think my guy is gonna crash and you don't like him. Tell him you think your guy is on the brink of a turnaround and you want to keep him. Just don't bring up draft round and say it's not fair. Draft round is no longer relevant.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
That ##### drives me nuts too. In that context you are 100% right. I'd rather someone tell me to kick rocks then give me that reply.
smbkrypt24
Footballguy
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Cook is actually really hard to trade. Nobody wants to give up what he is worth so if his owner really needs/wants to move him for some reason this is the type of offer he will get. It's on the low side but nobody is willing to give up much more.
smbkrypt24
Footballguy
I get it, but the justifying words also make it worse.
I just traded Cook
for
Carter, Watson, 2023 1st
i felt I sold low. The trade we are talking about is selling at trash value for the other guy.
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JohnnyU
Footballguy
In a 14 team PPR DEVY league I traded Dalvin Cook and a 2023 rookie 2nd for Isiah Spiller, a 2023 rookie 1st (probably early-mid to mid) and a 2023 DEVY pick (draft to select a underclassman college player), probably late. Keep in mind rookie picks are devalued due to most of the top players are already on rosters because of the DEVY aspect.
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Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
I'd say this is much worse than just on the low side. Conner is a huge regression candidate, Woods coming off an ACL on a running team, and a 2nd. Just terrible. This is highway robbery. Henry just went for 2 1sts and Chris Carson in our league and Cook is worth more than that.
Also, why such a hurry to sell low on what could be this person's best player. If you don't get a good deal you hold until one comes. This is why the bad teams stay bad.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
You are in SF too so you definitely did better than this person did. People way too willing to sell low on Cook. This one at least you got a 1st and if you are a Watson believer, I can see that.
I agree but I do know Cook is hard to move. People in his league may not have been willing to give more. Not sure why someone would give in to such a low offer but it could be the best offer he was gonna get.
