****OFFICIAL DYNASTY TRADES**** (8 Viewers)

[Jonesin For Some Football]

Yeah I mean I haven't looked at whether that would project as a late 1st and an early 2nd but if it did turn out to be like 1.10 and 2.03 next year, would 2.03 plus Renfrow be so bad for 1.10? Obviously it could swing the other way, too, but this may have been the reason behind it. Otherwise FFPC is PPR and Renfrow has a chance to be the new Edelman/Welker in McDaniels offense. And he is elite. 

But at face value I have to agree this is largely a head scratcher. 

Good points made here but moot with your next comment.  I'm not sure I'd call Renfrow elite, as then how many truly elite players are there if we are expanding it that far, and we don't know what that team will look like with Adams there.  He is very good however and I'd move down 5 spots for him if I needed a WR though for sure. 

They also get Willis back who may not be anything but you never know.  He was rated over Pickett by many this year and we all know Tanny isn't the true answer in Tenn.  Either way, due to the 1st being early and 2nd being late, this ends up being terrible and I don't get why people ship their 1sts out early in mediocre trades like this.

 

[Boston]

I like both of these guys but you can't put McLaurin on the same plane with Hill yet.  There has to be a pick added or this is easily in favor of Hill.  Plus, dude just signed a new 120 mil deal, not like they aren't going to use him.

Agreed...until I see otherwise McLaurin is a better real player than fantasy player...plus he will be 27 in September so he is not as young as it feels he should be...the fact he is only about 1.5 years younger than Hill is a big negative for this type of deal.

 

[zed2283]

Team C is just terrible.  He is giving away value left and right.  2 picks in a deep draft and a player (granted not a valuable one) to move up 3 spots when not on the clock (I'm assuming you would have put the players drafted if it were on the clock).  Just pissing away value any way he can isn't he.

Right, not on the clock until mid-late August.  While I don't disagree with your general premise, I think it can be advantageous to make trades early before things get rolling, especially if you've done your homework and have made an educated guess as to who will (and won't) be there at the targeted pick.

 

[Jonesin For Some Football]

Right, not on the clock until mid-late August.  While I don't disagree with your general premise, I think it can be advantageous to make trades early before things get rolling, especially if you've done your homework and have made an educated guess as to who will (and won't) be there at the targeted pick.

I agree with you too but you can't overpay like this.  I'll make trades before on the clock but normally it isn't moving up 2-3 spots and paying high picks or multiple picks to do it.  Some of them are definitely worth it though.  I'm not against it.  Just against this type of trade.

 

[zed2283]

I agree with you too but you can't overpay like this.  I'll make trades before on the clock but normally it isn't moving up 2-3 spots and paying high picks or multiple picks to do it.  Some of them are definitely worth it though.  I'm not against it.  Just against this type of trade.

He gave up a 4th in 2023 and a 3rd in 2024.  I don't know anything about 2024 but a 4th next year seems worth it, deep draft or no.  I guess it really depends who his targets are and how strongly he feels about them.

I don't think I posted it here but 2 months ago I gave up 3.04 to move from 2.04 to 1.12 because there were three RB-needy teams ahead of me and I wanted to have my choice of the next-tier RBs.  And actually, the last of that group (at least how I have them tiered) might not make it to 2.04.

 

[Jonesin For Some Football]

He gave up a 4th in 2023 and a 3rd in 2024.  I don't know anything about 2024 but a 4th next year seems worth it, deep draft or no.  I guess it really depends who his targets are and how strongly he feels about them.

I don't think I posted it here but 2 months ago I gave up 3.04 to move from 2.04 to 1.12 because there were three RB-needy teams ahead of me and I wanted to have my choice of the next-tier RBs.  And actually, the last of that group (at least how I have them tiered) might not make it to 2.04.

A 4th next year, I could be ok with.  But we are talking a 3rd, a 4th, and a player, to move up in the middle of the 2nd of what I consider a weak draft.  That is too much and just way to slowly give away talent.  

I don't mind what you did.  Getting in the 1st and giving up a 3rd in a weaker draft to do so.  I see exactly what you were thinking and think you paid a fair price to do it.  This one, I don't get the thinking and can't imagine the target the other guy is really looking for.

 

[dmac37]

I'm coming off back to back ships in my main dynasty league and did not want to get complacent. I had a lot of depth but not a true young stud RB and made a move to get J. Taylor.

Get

J. Taylor, Brevin Jordan

Gave

Diontae, Monty, Penny, 2022 1.11, 2022 2.11

 

[Boston]

I'm coming off back to back ships in my main dynasty league and did not want to get complacent. I had a lot of depth but not a true young stud RB and made a move to get J. Taylor.

Get

J. Taylor, Brevin Jordan

Gave

Diontae, Monty, Penny, 2022 1.11, 2022 2.11

This makes no sense to me...you were able to get a top 5 Dynasty player without touching the top part of your roster or giving up a big time pick back...all the assets you gave up are solid, but this is just a bad use of an elite asset.

 

[joey]

This makes no sense to me...you were able to get a top 5 Dynasty player without touching the top part of your roster or giving up a big time pick back...all the assets you gave up are solid, but this is just a bad use of an elite asset.

Agreed. Your competition seems to want to help you get the 3-peat. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I'm coming off back to back ships in my main dynasty league and did not want to get complacent. I had a lot of depth but not a true young stud RB and made a move to get J. Taylor.

Get

J. Taylor, Brevin Jordan

Gave

Diontae, Monty, Penny, 2022 1.11, 2022 2.11

I can’t believe anyone would take that package for Taylor. Insanity. 

 

[barackdhouse]

This makes no sense to me...you were able to get a top 5 Dynasty player without touching the top part of your roster or giving up a big time pick back...all the assets you gave up are solid, but this is just a bad use of an elite asset.

It's good to be the King

 

[Dr. Octopus]

This makes no sense to me...you were able to get a top 5 Dynasty player without touching the top part of your roster or giving up a big time pick back...all the assets you gave up are solid, but this is just a bad use of an elite asset.

It makes sense why he’s a back to back champ .

 

[JohnnyU]

I'm coming off back to back ships in my main dynasty league and did not want to get complacent. I had a lot of depth but not a true young stud RB and made a move to get J. Taylor.

Get

J. Taylor, Brevin Jordan

Gave

Diontae, Monty, Penny, 2022 1.11, 2022 2.11

Wut?  That's a crappy return for Taylor.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Wut?  That's a crappy return for Taylor.

It's a bunch of decent/good assets for the best asset in the game - I can't imagine what that guy was thinking.

 

[rockaction]

It's a bunch of decent/good assets for the best asset in the game - I can't imagine what that guy was thinking.

Calc trade. Bad calc, too. 

 

[Gally]

I'm coming off back to back ships in my main dynasty league and did not want to get complacent. I had a lot of depth but not a true young stud RB and made a move to get J. Taylor.

Get

J. Taylor, Brevin Jordan

Gave

Diontae, Monty, Penny, 2022 1.11, 2022 2.11

I am in no way thinking this is a reasonable deal on the face value of it.

My comments stem from knowing there are leagues out there where there other factors involved in evaluating a player deal.  For example in a salary cap league with limited keeper spots there are times when trades like this have to be done and are not as bad as they seem.   I am in a league that allows 15 keepers with a salary cap of $250.   The in season roster size is 45 (salary cap doesn't matter in season).  That means some tough decisions have to be made and sometimes making a trade like the above from the non-Taylor side may make sense even though every calculation on the face of the planet says otherwise.  Take it like this:

• Taylor has a salary of $55 and is not under contract so is eligible to *escalate
  
• Jordan is $1 and eligible to escalate
  
• Dionte is $3/2023
  
• Monty is $15/2024
  
• Penny is $1 and eligible to escalate
  

*Escalation occurs if that player finishes as a top 15 scorer at the position for the year.  In this example if Taylor finishes as the #1 RB he would escalate 35% for 2023

In addition to the salary information the guy receiving DJ, Monty, Penny only had Taylor at RB but has two high priced QB's (SF league - combined salary of $120), Kelce at $35, and Kupp at $40 so there was no way he could keep Taylor and field a competitive team.  He needed startable players who were cheap back to field a roster.  

Due to Taylor's salary there are very few teams that can actually roster him so the available trade partners are very minimal.   This may have been the best offer the guy could get and due to salary he would have to let Taylor go for nothing if he didn't make this move.  Now this is a bad return for sure and I likely would have shopped to get someone more safe than Penny but there may not have been a trade partner with cap space with better options in my fictional scenario.

This kind of scenario is why I really enjoy salary cap leagues with smaller keeper numbers.  It really makes GM's make tough decisions to stay competitive.  I was in a similar situation this year under these type scenarios and traded away Lamar, Mixon, and two solid IDP options for Tannehill the 1.01 and the 2.01.  The trade was frowned upon here but I really had no option as I couldn't keep Mixon/Lamar because of salary and other factors (also already have Dillon, Taylor, and Najee so keeping a 4th RB was not feasible).  

Anybody else run into these issues with salary cap leagues?

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

I am in no way thinking this is a reasonable deal on the face value of it.

My comments stem from knowing there are leagues out there where there other factors involved in evaluating a player deal.  For example in a salary cap league with limited keeper spots there are times when trades like this have to be done and are not as bad as they seem.   I am in a league that allows 15 keepers with a salary cap of $250.   The in season roster size is 45 (salary cap doesn't matter in season).  That means some tough decisions have to be made and sometimes making a trade like the above from the non-Taylor side may make sense even though every calculation on the face of the planet says otherwise.  Take it like this:

• Taylor has a salary of $55 and is not under contract so is eligible to *escalate
  
• Jordan is $1 and eligible to escalate
  
• Dionte is $3/2023
  
• Monty is $15/2024
  
• Penny is $1 and eligible to escalate
  

*Escalation occurs if that player finishes as a top 15 scorer at the position for the year.  In this example if Taylor finishes as the #1 RB he would escalate 35% for 2023

In addition to the salary information the guy receiving DJ, Monty, Penny only had Taylor at RB but has two high priced QB's (SF league - combined salary of $120), Kelce at $35, and Kupp at $40 so there was no way he could keep Taylor and field a competitive team.  He needed startable players who were cheap back to field a roster.  

Due to Taylor's salary there are very few teams that can actually roster him so the available trade partners are very minimal.   This may have been the best offer the guy could get and due to salary he would have to let Taylor go for nothing if he didn't make this move.  Now this is a bad return for sure and I likely would have shopped to get someone more safe than Penny but there may not have been a trade partner with cap space with better options in my fictional scenario.

This kind of scenario is why I really enjoy salary cap leagues with smaller keeper numbers.  It really makes GM's make tough decisions to stay competitive.  I was in a similar situation this year under these type scenarios and traded away Lamar, Mixon, and two solid IDP options for Tannehill the 1.01 and the 2.01.  The trade was frowned upon here but I really had no option as I couldn't keep Mixon/Lamar because of salary and other factors (also already have Dillon, Taylor, and Najee so keeping a 4th RB was not feasible).  

Anybody else run into these issues with salary cap leagues?

I love the idea of salary cap leagues.  Are there sites out there where the salaries and rules are relatively prepackaged?  I don't remember MFL being able to do it.

 

[Gally]

I love the idea of salary cap leagues.  Are there sites out there where the salaries and rules are relatively prepackaged?  I don't remember MFL being able to do it.

We use MFL for our site in my dynasty league that follows the format I outlined above.  However, we created the parameters ourselves and then just use MFL to track it and it does a great job of doing that.  

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

We use MFL for our site in my dynasty league that follows the format I outlined above.  However, we created the parameters ourselves and then just use MFL to track it and it does a great job of doing that.  

awesome, I'll look into that for my keeper league.  Thank you!

 

[Jonesin For Some Football]

I'm coming off back to back ships in my main dynasty league and did not want to get complacent. I had a lot of depth but not a true young stud RB and made a move to get J. Taylor.

Get

J. Taylor, Brevin Jordan

Gave

Diontae, Monty, Penny, 2022 1.11, 2022 2.11

This is a decent amount to give up but I'd pay it all day.  I really feel like this is light to pay for JT.  I like DJ, Monty, and I think Penny has a good year if he can stay on the field.  Problem is that Seattle already drafted his replacement & he can't stay healthy, DJ might not get a 2nd contract with Pitts & they have Trubisky now, and those are late picks in a bad draft.

 

[Boston]

This is a decent amount to give up but I'd pay it all day.  I really feel like this is light to pay for JT.  I like DJ, Monty, and I think Penny has a good year if he can stay on the field.  Problem is that Seattle already drafted his replacement & he can't stay healthy, DJ might not get a 2nd contract with Pitts & they have Trubisky now, and those are late picks in a bad draft.

it is the classic 4 quarters for a dollar deal…all the assets are decent but outside of more depth you aren’t helping yourself the way you should be if you are dealing Taylor…on another note how in the world is Jordan even involved in this deal…there should be no one else even added in and while a long-shot he is not a bad depth TE in Dynasty who could turn into something…I hate when deals like this have these add ones that make it even worse.

 

[Jonesin For Some Football]

it is the classic 4 quarters for a dollar deal…all the assets are decent but outside of more depth you aren’t helping yourself the way you should be if you are dealing Taylor…on another note how in the world is Jordan even involved in this deal…there should be no one else even added in and while a long-shot he is not a bad depth TE in Dynasty who could turn into something…I hate when deals like this have these add ones that make it even worse.

Totally agreed.  I think this would look a lot better if Jordan wasn't included and there was at least 1 more 1st (especially 23 1st) included, maybe a 23 2nd as well.  Then it would be semi-close if you are a Monty/DJ/Penny believer.  I believe in the former personally.  Like DJ a lot but his situation could get tricky.  

 

[Boston]

Totally agreed.  I think this would look a lot better if Jordan wasn't included and there was at least 1 more 1st (especially 23 1st) included, maybe a 23 2nd as well.  Then it would be semi-close if you are a Monty/DJ/Penny believer.  I believe in the former personally.  Like DJ a lot but his situation could get tricky.  

Yup…there is just no foundation piece to this deal and the potential upside is not what you want it to be…there is just far too much downside…Johnson is good but who knows what is going on at QB in Pittsburgh and he is a FA next off-season, Monty is solid but he is what he is now, Penny is intriguing but comes with a ton of questions and the #1 is a low one in a year where the draft is nothing special…you just need to much to break right for this to be an ok deal which I think is the very best case scenario.

 

[zed2283]

I love the idea of salary cap leagues.  Are there sites out there where the salaries and rules are relatively prepackaged?  I don't remember MFL being able to do it.

I'd like to join one too but haven't found a team to take over.  Here are two sites that I found, but they have different setups.  One is the basic type deal but the other one uses actual NFL contracts for its basis.

https://leaguetycoon.com/contract-leagues/
https://dynastyowner.com/how-it-works/

 

[dmac37]

Totally agreed.  I think this would look a lot better if Jordan wasn't included and there was at least 1 more 1st (especially 23 1st) included, maybe a 23 2nd as well.  Then it would be semi-close if you are a Monty/DJ/Penny believer.  I believe in the former personally.  Like DJ a lot but his situation could get tricky.  

I had ben trying to move some of my depth for a young bell cow back. The 2 players on my team that I thought would bring a decent return that I also believe have already seen their highest value was Diontae and Monty. I had been trying to move those 2 in a package for a CMC, Swift, J. Williams type without any luck. I decided to try the Taylor owner and after going back and forth this is what we settled on. It is a superflex league and he was very top heavy, crazy strong at QB with Allen & Herbert, JT and the only other player of value is DK who is in a bad situation. This gave him more pieces to field a starting lineup. My only weakness is TE- Henry, Thomas, and Bryant, now Jordan gives me another flyer to possibly hit on. I don't see Jordan as deal breaker either way.

 

[Jonesin For Some Football]

I had ben trying to move some of my depth for a young bell cow back. The 2 players on my team that I thought would bring a decent return that I also believe have already seen their highest value was Diontae and Monty. I had been trying to move those 2 in a package for a CMC, Swift, J. Williams type without any luck. I decided to try the Taylor owner and after going back and forth this is what we settled on. It is a superflex league and he was very top heavy, crazy strong at QB with Allen & Herbert, JT and the only other player of value is DK who is in a bad situation. This gave him more pieces to field a starting lineup. My only weakness is TE- Henry, Thomas, and Bryant, now Jordan gives me another flyer to possibly hit on. I don't see Jordan as deal breaker either way.

This was an amazing move for you.  Jordan isn't a deal breaker but you were already robbing the guy, he shouldn't have had to include anyone with any value.  I would see this type of trade for Swift as fair for sure.  Probably an overpay for Swift.  CMC's injury history probably makes this pretty fair.  I get why someone wouldn't trade J-Will. 

I get it diversifies his team and may have been smart to look in to it but he should have been able to find a better deal.  I think this is at very minimum a 23 1st short.  People making trades like this will always make their teams worse.  If you are going to trade a $1 bill for quarters then you have to get 5 or 6 quarters back.  Not 3 or 4.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

it is the classic 4 quarters for a dollar deal…all the assets are decent but outside of more depth you aren’t helping yourself the way you should be if you are dealing Taylor…on another note how in the world is Jordan even involved in this deal…there should be no one else even added in and while a long-shot he is not a bad depth TE in Dynasty who could turn into something…I hate when deals like this have these add ones that make it even worse.

Feels more like 3 quarters for a dollar to me. Just not nearly enough going back the other way for the top RB/dynasty assert (arguable, but no doubter top-3) in the game. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I had ben trying to move some of my depth for a young bell cow back. The 2 players on my team that I thought would bring a decent return that I also believe have already seen their highest value was Diontae and Monty. I had been trying to move those 2 in a package for a CMC, Swift, J. Williams type without any luck. I decided to try the Taylor owner and after going back and forth this is what we settled on. It is a superflex league and he was very top heavy, crazy strong at QB with Allen & Herbert, JT and the only other player of value is DK who is in a bad situation. This gave him more pieces to field a starting lineup. My only weakness is TE- Henry, Thomas, and Bryant, now Jordan gives me another flyer to possibly hit on. I don't see Jordan as deal breaker either way.

Any way you slice it, you stole JT & your trade partner made a no good terrible very bad deal. 

 

[barackdhouse]

FFPC SF

I gave Damien Harris, 2023 2nd (late)
I got CEH

ETA this was before the news on CEH going to PUP

 

[Jonesin For Some Football]

FFPC SF

I gave Damien Harris, 2023 2nd (late)
I got CEH

ETA this was before the news on CEH going to PUP

Rough news of PUP.  They could end up going with RoJo anyways but Dame Harris could end up losing out to Stevenson.  At least the 2nd is late.  I might have taken a chance CEH for that price but not high on him at all.  With this news, I'd probably pass.

 

[jtd13]

I just traded Najee Harris (and James Washington as a throw in) for Akers and Burks in dynasty with moderately deep lineups (PPR, up to 36 RBs and 60 WRs can start per week across the league).

Harris seems about as safe as you can get at RB over the next couple years, but I am less worried about injury/ conditioning than most people on Akers and Burks, and feel my team is in a good spot to take on risk and chase upside. 

 

[titusbramble]

Harris side quite easily for me

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

I just traded Najee Harris (and James Washington as a throw in) for Akers and Burks in dynasty with moderately deep lineups (PPR, up to 36 RBs and 60 WRs can start per week across the league).

Harris seems about as safe as you can get at RB over the next couple years, but I am less worried about injury/ conditioning than most people on Akers and Burks, and feel my team is in a good spot to take on risk and chase upside. 

I prefer the Harris side, but I am not at all high on Akers.  If he pans out after that injury, then I think you have a good shot at two long-term, high level assets.  Personally, I just don't want the risk of Akers.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I prefer the Harris side, but I am not at all high on Akers.  If he pans out after that injury, then I think you have a good shot at two long-term, high level assets.  Personally, I just don't want the risk of Akers.

...and let's face it, Burksn (who I like) is also a risk in that we have no idea if he pans out at the NFL level. I'm a bit surprised that young productive RBs like Taylor and Harris aren't commanding more (based on last few trades listed in here).

 

[rockaction]

I'd have to go with Harris, actually. Deep leagues are leagues where you can trade two for one and get away with it, though, so if that's your league, then have at it. I am more bullish on Akers than others. I think he'll surprise people with not only an increased role but also increased effectiveness in comparison to his playoff run last year. 

 

[rockaction]

I'm a bit surprised that young productive RBs like Taylor and Harris aren't commanding more

They really should be. 

 

[jtd13]

Burks (who I like) is also a risk in that we have no idea if he pans out at the NFL level.

Yeah, really any non-Chase rookie WR is a risk when they are coming in, til you see if they've got the goods. It's true of every position but especially wr lately. It seems like a lot of good looking prospects haven't panned out.

I'm a big fan of Burks and think the narrative on Akers recovery chances is rather illogical and unconvincing, so I thought it was worth the risk. IMO Akers without the recovery risk is a similar talent to Najee with a similar situation (both young workhorse backs, less receiving upside for Najee, but better overall offense). So if I think the risk is overblown, it makes sense to move Harris for Akers and a guy with Burks' upside. 

I'm also kind of a fringe contender in that league, with a couple stacked teams at the top. If I were one of the stacked teams I'd probably have held Najee. Hence the comment about taking some risk/reward moves. 

Appreciate the feedback. I get the hesitation and figured this one wouldn't win me best trade

 

[Dr. Octopus]

think the narrative on Akers recovery chances is rather illogical and unconvincing,

Why when Achilles injuries have been so devastating in the past?

Of course it's possible Akers can be the exact player he was before the injury but it's hardly illogical to think that perhaps he will not be given history of the injury.

 

[jtd13]

Why when Achilles injuries have been so devastating in the past?

Of course it's possible Akers can be the exact player he was before the injury but it's hardly illogical to think that perhaps he will not be given history of the injury.

Across major athletics, people have been recovering faster and better from Achilles for a few years. The illogical part is using only RBs as a sample size, imo. 

 

[jtd13]

And to be clear, I don't say "no risk". Any major injury is a risk a guy doesn't recover and should have some impact on value. I just think the risk/value impact is less than most people think, relative to the general risk of injury playing football. 

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Across major athletics, people have been recovering faster and better from Achilles for a few years. The illogical part is using only RBs as a sample size, imo. 

How is it illogical to compare apples to apples? RBs have totally different skill sets, movements, and have to "plant and push" more than say an NBA player. People use Durant but it took him almost two full seasons to get back on the Court and imo he's not the same really (but that can also be age related).

I'm not saying, nothing has changed in medicine or that every player is exactly the same in how they recover but I'm not grasping how being skeptical in situations like this is illogical. I'd say it's more "illogical" not to have any concerns. Akers has showed the ability to get back on the field quickly at least, but looked pretty bad once he did imo - obviously being more removed from the injury should help.

Just to be clear - I don't think your deal was terrible - just that if I moved Najee, I'd want less risky players back. We all have different risk tolerance though.

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

How is it illogical to compare apples to apples? RBs have totally different skill sets, movements, and have to "plant and push" more than say an NBA player. People use Durant but it took him almost two full seasons to get back on the Court and imo he's not the same really (but that can also be age related).

I'm not saying, nothing has changed in medicine or that every player is exactly the same in how they recover but I'm not grasping how being skeptical in situations like this is illogical. I'd say it's more "illogical" not to have any concerns. Akers has showed the ability to get back on the field quickly at least, but looked pretty bad once he did imo - obviously being more removed from the injury should help.

Just to be clear - I don't think your deal was terrible - just that if I moved Najee, I'd want less risky players back. We all have different risk tolerance though.

I'm with the good Doctor here.  There's been a lot of talk about medical advances in the area of Achilles tear repairs lately (especially in the Akers thread), but the bottom line is that we have not YET seen a RB do well after that specific injury.  I sincerely hope he 100% recovers and goes on to have a prolific and long career.  Just color me extremely skeptical until I see it with my own eyes.

 

[jtd13]

How is it illogical to compare apples to apples? RBs have totally different skill sets, movements, and have to "plant and push" more than say an NBA player. 

I agree with comparing apples to apples, but the RBs are a small sample size of old injuries and RBs that were already halfway out of the league due to age or talent. So I think it makes sense to expand to other NFL players or other athletes. Plus, I don't really agree that the demands on an Achilles are that different for a RB compared to other NFL players or other major athletes. If your explosion is sapped as an Olympic jumper or a LB or basketball player, you're still going to have major problems. 

Durant is not a guy I'd consider one of the big successes. I'm thinking more of Emmanuel Sanders having his best non manning year less than a year after, CJ Uzomah looking like his old self last year, thr Olympic long jumper who finished 4th last year, 13 months removed from a ruptured Achilles (c'mon, long jumping has to require fully functioning Achilles tendons, right??), The Russian Olympic gymnast who was on the gold medal team in Tokyo less than 3 months after his Achilles tear... I could go on, but I haven't looked this stuff up in awhile and I do need to do some work today

Anyway, I'm not trying to convince anyone to agree with me, but I've settled on the risk being there, but not as big as most people think. And here I am, making trade decisions based on that position. 

Far be it for me to argue with a Dr. on injuries, even if it's Doc Oc, but that's where I've settled anyway

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Far be it for me to argue with a Dr. on injuries, even if it's Doc Oc, but that's where I've settled anyway

I am a doctor in real life but a juris doctorate so my medical advice (and maybe some of my fantasy advice) is meaningless. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Durant is not a guy I'd consider one of the big successes.

he’s considered one of the most successful Achilles recoveries for any pro athlete ever. Hardwood of a basketball court is so brutal to play on - yet there he is, being one of the top 15 players in the NBA.

In 2021-2022 he averaged 29.9 PPG, with a career high of 32 (his 2014 MVP season). That 29.9 was 4th in the NBA.

7.4 boards per game (career high of 8.3, but he’s not exactly known for crashing the boards)

Shot 51.8% from the field (career high of 53.7) 

91% free throw shooter (3rd in the NBA)

I could go on, but I feel the point has been beaten to death here - How would that not be considered “one of the big successes” for Achilles recovery? 

 

[smbkrypt24]

he’s considered one of the most successful Achilles recoveries for any pro athlete ever. Hardwood of a basketball court is so brutal to play on - yet there he is, being one of the top 15 players in the NBA.

In 2021-2022 he averaged 29.9 PPG, with a career high of 32 (his 2014 MVP season). That 29.9 was 4th in the NBA.

7.4 boards per game (career high of 8.3, but he’s not exactly known for crashing the boards)

Shot 51.8% from the field (career high of 53.7) 

91% free throw shooter (3rd in the NBA)

I could go on, but I feel the point has been beaten to death here - How would that not be considered “one of the big successes” for Achilles recovery? 

These are all good points, but really  free throws are not something you are stressing your achilles on. 

 

[rockaction]

Actually, there's a running back that performed admirably last year who has had an Achilles tear, and that's D'Onta Foreman, who ran a bit roughshod with the Titans when Henry went down. He was never a world beater to begin with, but he looked good last year. I think with medical advances that it's entirely possible that the risk assumed here isn't that great of a risk at all. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

These are all good points, but really  free throws are not something you are stressing your achilles on. 

You sure about that? I’ve shot free throws - you’re using your Achilles, I assure you. And again - he was 3rd in the league, meaning he’s playing at a high level. 

Regardless, the point is he should be the A#1 shining example of coming back from a ruptured Achilles. 

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Actually, there's a running back that performed admirably last year who has had an Achilles tear, and that's D'Onta Foreman, who ran a bit roughshod with the Titans when Henry went down. He was never a world beater to begin with, but he looked good last year. I think with medical advances that it's entirely possible that the risk assumed here isn't that great of a risk at all. 

Agreed.  But it’s still a relatively small sample size.

I’d love to be Pollyanna about Robinson, but all we’ve really seen is Foreman, Akers & a handful of others across multiple sports. There are still more athletes who never returned to form than did.

So it’s not quite a given that medical advances are significant enough that we can take it for granted that Robinson will come back just because one or two other dudes did.

But I hope he does, because I roster him.  

 

[jm192]

I need to see it before putting substantial investment into Akers.  He was brutal upon return last season.  And sure, he played tough defense.  Sure, he was rusty.  But he's also still coming off an achilles injury and may never be the same.

The risk may be "less" than the general perception--but risk exists.  And limiting risk limits bad outcomes for your dynasty roster.  

Najee is healthy, going to get a ton of volume, passing game exposure, goal line touches, etc.  I just can't go from high end upside and safe to high end upside and risky.  Burks doesn't close the gap for me.  I'd trade Akers/Burks for Najee all day.